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(Some Guy)   Ford throws down the gauntlet in battle for EV supremacy. Elon who?   (teslarati.com) divider line
    More: Cool, United States, Automobile, Automotive industry, California Governor Gavin Newsom, California, Ford Motor Company, United States' electric vehicle movement, Renault  
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2020-09-26 3:57:42 AM  
8 votes:
Considering they got punked by Tesla, watching the remaining big 2 pretend they are superior is pretty funny. I'm not saying Elon isn't an asshole, but the big 2 have spectacularly failed to build the cars of the future, instead making more SUVs. Then Tesla just kinda... built the cars of the future.

Years from now, we will be cursing the auto manufacturers for farking around until the world burned.
 
2020-09-26 2:13:11 AM  
8 votes:

GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?


Nevada perhaps, or Texas, or somewhere else.  He doesn't keep his story straight.  All I know is the whole "violating quarantine to restart his business and retaliating against employees who had health concerns because of the statewide quarantine shut down order because he's rich enough to get away with it" thing really tweaked the governor and a bunch of other people the wrong way.  Elon's earned the cold shoulder
 
2020-09-26 6:33:25 AM  
6 votes:
Just for kicks, I did a search for new EVs for sale in my area from dealers. Guess what? Not a single Ford. Porsche, Kia, Nissan, and Chevy are the only makes (other than Tesla). If Ford is such a leader on electric cars, where are they? Right now, their commitment to electric cars is speculative.
 
2020-09-25 11:06:39 PM  
6 votes:
[Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]
 
2020-09-26 5:30:09 AM  
5 votes:

GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?


No. They're not moving. They're building a new factory there to build the Cybertruck. Already broke ground. They now have NV, Fremont, Berlin, Texas, and Shanghai. They have another out east, but I believe it just makes solar panels.
 
2020-09-26 4:53:28 AM  
4 votes:

bhcompy: GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?

Nevada perhaps, or Texas, or somewhere else.  He doesn't keep his story straight.  All I know is the whole "violating quarantine to restart his business and retaliating against employees who had health concerns because of the statewide quarantine shut down order because he's rich enough to get away with it" thing really tweaked the governor and a bunch of other people the wrong way.  Elon's earned the cold shoulder


That's the oil industry narrative, yeah. "Essential businesses" were decided on a county level and Gigafactory happened to be in the one county in that area that hadn't let factories reopen. There were literally factories on the same road that were allowed to operate. Where's all the vitriol for them?

Oh, that's right. Only Tesla is trying to upend the fossil fuel industry, so they get all the ire.
 
2020-09-26 3:39:49 AM  
4 votes:

TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*


My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.
 
2020-09-26 2:17:02 AM  
4 votes:
But I thought Tesla was over valued and bound to fail. Right, short sellers?
 
2020-09-26 12:22:03 AM  
3 votes:

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]


I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*
 
2020-09-25 11:58:52 PM  
3 votes:
Telsa is moving to TX right?
 
2020-09-26 5:34:02 PM  
1 vote:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: GM and Ford are both crippled by commitments to their internal combustion supply chain.  There are SO many more moving parts on an IC car than an electric.  And the repairs are 10x more costly and frequent.  Electric motors almost never give out and there are very few moving parts on an EV.


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2020-09-26 3:48:49 PM  
1 vote:

Fursecution: NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.

Have a Escape Hybrid, been pretty reliable, still gets good mileage, just had a bunch of the suspension replaced and the brakes replaced for the first time ... at 210,000 miles and 13 years.
Ford really should have gone all-in on every model with hybrids and plug-in hybrids a decade ago. Instead they sat back and kept it in the niche premium category.


Ford offered the C-Max for a while as competitor to the Prius, or maybe more accurately the Prius V.  The Fusion was always available as a Hybrid.  Both offered a PHEV version, but it left you with almost no trunk for all of 20 miles of range.  Not too hard to figure out why that didn't pan out.  It was a good system, though.  I have a C-Max and found it to be more enjoyable to drive than the Prius and ct200h I was cross shopping it with at the time.

They're now offering hybrid and PHEV Escapes again, and I believe the Explorer too.  Maybe they'll have a
better go with those this time around.
 
2020-09-26 12:15:57 PM  
1 vote:

NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.


Have a Escape Hybrid, been pretty reliable, still gets good mileage, just had a bunch of the suspension replaced and the brakes replaced for the first time ... at 210,000 miles and 13 years.
Ford really should have gone all-in on every model with hybrids and plug-in hybrids a decade ago. Instead they sat back and kept it in the niche premium category.
 
2020-09-26 11:09:35 AM  
1 vote:

GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?


Open a factory in Austin but unlikely to move their HQ and definitely not closing their Fremont factory.
 
2020-09-26 5:28:03 AM  
1 vote:

GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?


Even though I have friends who live there, I insist that it remain in Oklahoma.
 
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