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2020-09-25 11:06:39 PM  
[Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]
 
2020-09-25 11:58:52 PM  
Telsa is moving to TX right?
 
2020-09-26 12:22:03 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]


I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*
 
2020-09-26 2:13:11 AM  

GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?


Nevada perhaps, or Texas, or somewhere else.  He doesn't keep his story straight.  All I know is the whole "violating quarantine to restart his business and retaliating against employees who had health concerns because of the statewide quarantine shut down order because he's rich enough to get away with it" thing really tweaked the governor and a bunch of other people the wrong way.  Elon's earned the cold shoulder
 
2020-09-26 2:17:02 AM  
But I thought Tesla was over valued and bound to fail. Right, short sellers?
 
2020-09-26 3:39:49 AM  

TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*


My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.
 
2020-09-26 3:57:42 AM  
Considering they got punked by Tesla, watching the remaining big 2 pretend they are superior is pretty funny. I'm not saying Elon isn't an asshole, but the big 2 have spectacularly failed to build the cars of the future, instead making more SUVs. Then Tesla just kinda... built the cars of the future.

Years from now, we will be cursing the auto manufacturers for farking around until the world burned.
 
2020-09-26 4:50:50 AM  

adamatari: Considering they got punked by Tesla, watching the remaining big 2 pretend they are superior is pretty funny. I'm not saying Elon isn't an asshole, but the big 2 have spectacularly failed to build the cars of the future, instead making more SUVs. Then Tesla just kinda... built the cars of the future.

Years from now, we will be cursing the auto manufacturers for farking around until the world burned.


GM is at least trying. It's in the GMest way possible, but they're trying. If the Lordstown Endurance were available where I lived, I'd buy one tomorrow.

Waiting on a Model Y for the wife.
 
2020-09-26 4:53:28 AM  

bhcompy: GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?

Nevada perhaps, or Texas, or somewhere else.  He doesn't keep his story straight.  All I know is the whole "violating quarantine to restart his business and retaliating against employees who had health concerns because of the statewide quarantine shut down order because he's rich enough to get away with it" thing really tweaked the governor and a bunch of other people the wrong way.  Elon's earned the cold shoulder


That's the oil industry narrative, yeah. "Essential businesses" were decided on a county level and Gigafactory happened to be in the one county in that area that hadn't let factories reopen. There were literally factories on the same road that were allowed to operate. Where's all the vitriol for them?

Oh, that's right. Only Tesla is trying to upend the fossil fuel industry, so they get all the ire.
 
2020-09-26 5:28:03 AM  

GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?


Even though I have friends who live there, I insist that it remain in Oklahoma.
 
2020-09-26 5:30:09 AM  

GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?


No. They're not moving. They're building a new factory there to build the Cybertruck. Already broke ground. They now have NV, Fremont, Berlin, Texas, and Shanghai. They have another out east, but I believe it just makes solar panels.
 
2020-09-26 6:33:25 AM  
Just for kicks, I did a search for new EVs for sale in my area from dealers. Guess what? Not a single Ford. Porsche, Kia, Nissan, and Chevy are the only makes (other than Tesla). If Ford is such a leader on electric cars, where are they? Right now, their commitment to electric cars is speculative.
 
2020-09-26 9:16:52 AM  
Considering Ford hasn't manufactured any vehicles in California in four decades ...
 
2020-09-26 11:09:35 AM  

GardenWeasel: Telsa is moving to TX right?


Open a factory in Austin but unlikely to move their HQ and definitely not closing their Fremont factory.
 
2020-09-26 11:35:32 AM  
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2020-09-26 12:15:57 PM  

NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.


Have a Escape Hybrid, been pretty reliable, still gets good mileage, just had a bunch of the suspension replaced and the brakes replaced for the first time ... at 210,000 miles and 13 years.
Ford really should have gone all-in on every model with hybrids and plug-in hybrids a decade ago. Instead they sat back and kept it in the niche premium category.
 
2020-09-26 12:56:08 PM  
Ford just repeated what the governor said,
/Elon still won't let you suck his dick
 
2020-09-26 3:48:49 PM  

Fursecution: NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.

Have a Escape Hybrid, been pretty reliable, still gets good mileage, just had a bunch of the suspension replaced and the brakes replaced for the first time ... at 210,000 miles and 13 years.
Ford really should have gone all-in on every model with hybrids and plug-in hybrids a decade ago. Instead they sat back and kept it in the niche premium category.


Ford offered the C-Max for a while as competitor to the Prius, or maybe more accurately the Prius V.  The Fusion was always available as a Hybrid.  Both offered a PHEV version, but it left you with almost no trunk for all of 20 miles of range.  Not too hard to figure out why that didn't pan out.  It was a good system, though.  I have a C-Max and found it to be more enjoyable to drive than the Prius and ct200h I was cross shopping it with at the time.

They're now offering hybrid and PHEV Escapes again, and I believe the Explorer too.  Maybe they'll have a
better go with those this time around.
 
2020-09-26 4:06:08 PM  
GM and Ford are both crippled by commitments to their internal combustion supply chain.  There are SO many more moving parts on an IC car than an electric.  And the repairs are 10x more costly and frequent.  Electric motors almost never give out and there are very few moving parts on an EV.
 
2020-09-26 4:22:27 PM  
They threw down the gauntlet with the Hybrid F150 which is likely my next vehicle (and will replace my generator for blackouts).  By the time I am ready to retire with a fifth wheel, it'll be driven by and share power with an all electric one.

/rubs hands with anticipation
 
2020-09-26 5:34:02 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: GM and Ford are both crippled by commitments to their internal combustion supply chain.  There are SO many more moving parts on an IC car than an electric.  And the repairs are 10x more costly and frequent.  Electric motors almost never give out and there are very few moving parts on an EV.


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2020-09-26 8:11:15 PM  

NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.


No complaints about mine.
 
2020-09-26 9:00:35 PM  

NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.


You've obviously never driven it to a Cars and Coffee.
 
2020-09-26 10:42:35 PM  

Bslim: NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.

No complaints about mine.


Nor mine. 1994 GT convertible, bright yellow.
 
2020-09-26 10:45:51 PM  
Yeah Musk pissed off the state government. Anyone who would be paying attention to this event already knows Tesla's considerable contribution to the EV movement.

Ford is a union company, Tesla opposes unions, and the Democratic Party will already give special consideration to a unionized automaker over an anti-union automaker in these kinds of events.

Finally, Ford is publicly moving forward with electrifying its commercial fleet business, something that can be truly transformative. Their commitment to this is seen by their selection as CEO.

Look at it this way. Ford and Tesla are currently positioning themselves as more complementary than competitive. Ford doesn't want to do passenger vehicles anymore, Tesla isn't positioning itself for fleet sales. Tesla is well established in the EV community, Ford is a newcomer despite their early hybrid innovations.

This was basically designed as a marketing event welcoming Ford to the party. Tesla doesn't need it. Ford's stock prices do though.
 
2020-09-26 11:05:09 PM  

BolloxReader: Yeah Musk pissed off the state government. Anyone who would be paying attention to this event already knows Tesla's considerable contribution to the EV movement.

Ford is a union company, Tesla opposes unions, and the Democratic Party will already give special consideration to a unionized automaker over an anti-union automaker in these kinds of events.

Finally, Ford is publicly moving forward with electrifying its commercial fleet business, something that can be truly transformative. Their commitment to this is seen by their selection as CEO.

Look at it this way. Ford and Tesla are currently positioning themselves as more complementary than competitive. Ford doesn't want to do passenger vehicles anymore, Tesla isn't positioning itself for fleet sales. Tesla is well established in the EV community, Ford is a newcomer despite their early hybrid innovations.

This was basically designed as a marketing event welcoming Ford to the party. Tesla doesn't need it. Ford's stock prices do though.


Tesla aren't positioning themselves for fleet sales? They're coming out with a crew cab pickup truck, a 500 mile* semi, and a smaller semi. They'd be out right now if not for battery constraints.

I'm glad Ford is jumping on the bandwagon, but they're likely behind even GM in terms of getting electric vehicles to market.
 
2020-09-27 12:26:33 AM  

FaygoMaster: Fursecution: NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.

Have a Escape Hybrid, been pretty reliable, still gets good mileage, just had a bunch of the suspension replaced and the brakes replaced for the first time ... at 210,000 miles and 13 years.
Ford really should have gone all-in on every model with hybrids and plug-in hybrids a decade ago. Instead they sat back and kept it in the niche premium category.

Ford offered the C-Max for a while as competitor to the Prius, or maybe more accurately the Prius V.  The Fusion was always available as a Hybrid.  Both offered a PHEV version, but it left you with almost no trunk for all of 20 miles of range.  Not too hard to figure out why that didn't pan out.  It was a good system, though.  I have a C-Max and found it to be more enjoyable to drive than the Prius and ct200h I was cross shopping it with at the time.


Yay, Fark C-Max Club!
 
2020-09-27 1:33:24 AM  

Fursecution: NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.

Have a Escape Hybrid, been pretty reliable, still gets good mileage, just had a bunch of the suspension replaced and the brakes replaced for the first time ... at 210,000 miles and 13 years.
Ford really should have gone all-in on every model with hybrids and plug-in hybrids a decade ago. Instead they sat back and kept it in the niche premium category.


I'm hoping that the RAV4 Prime pushes other manufacturers to make "fun" plug-in hybrids that use the electric motors to add instant torque. The gas savings are nice, and helping the environment is all cool, but the 300 hp and a 5.7 second 0-60 time is what has me wanting it.
 
2020-09-27 1:49:17 AM  

ImmutableTenderloin: But I thought Tesla was over valued and bound to fail. Right, short sellers?


But I thought Tesla wasn't really an auto manufacturer.  Right, Musk blowers?
 
2020-09-27 3:03:33 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Fursecution: NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.

Have a Escape Hybrid, been pretty reliable, still gets good mileage, just had a bunch of the suspension replaced and the brakes replaced for the first time ... at 210,000 miles and 13 years.
Ford really should have gone all-in on every model with hybrids and plug-in hybrids a decade ago. Instead they sat back and kept it in the niche premium category.

I'm hoping that the RAV4 Prime pushes other manufacturers to make "fun" plug-in hybrids that use the electric motors to add instant torque. The gas savings are nice, and helping the environment is all cool, but the 300 hp and a 5.7 second 0-60 time is what has me wanting it.


The problem with hybrids is that they're still less than a third as energy efficient EVs source-to-wheel, and they can never get any cleaner whereas an EV of any age will be as clean as the grid. They're far more complicated than either a gas car or an EV and aside from a few Nissan vehicles, almost every hybrid you see on the road licenses tech from Toyota. It's better to just rip off the bandaid and go full electric ASAP.

Battery supply is an issue right now, but given the massive amount of money we throw at the fossil fuel industry, a subsidy or credit of some kind makes sense in this case. We should completely defund fossil fuels.
 
2020-09-27 3:20:31 AM  

Craw Fu: ImmutableTenderloin: But I thought Tesla was over valued and bound to fail. Right, short sellers?

But I thought Tesla wasn't really an auto manufacturer.  Right, Musk blowers?


They're not. And if their plans work out (it's admittedly a big if) they'll be absolutely huge.
 
2020-09-27 8:31:49 AM  

Nexzus: Bslim: NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.

No complaints about mine.

Nor mine. 1994 GT convertible, bright yellow.


My 96 Tbird had transmission problems by 30,000 miles.  Everyone I talked to with a V8 needed 4 transmissions to get to 100,000 miles.  My parents had a 92 Continental that was on its fourth transmission by 70,000 miles (one lasted about 2000 miles) and was blowing a fuse randomly that had something like 12 things fed by it.  The dealer wasn't sure and to troubleshoot it they were manually wiring in extra fuses too try to isolate the culprit.
 
2020-09-27 9:55:48 AM  

NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.


You can easily find 3 trump voters too. Don't mean they're smart.
 
2020-09-27 12:48:19 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Fursecution: NotARocketScientist: TwowheelinTim: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: [Gauntlet then immediately catches fire; Ford denies the gauntlet is theirs.]

I came here to post something snarky about Ford quality, or the lack thereof, but it's going to be hard to top this. I'll just sit this one out and watch with morbid curiosity.

*golf clap*

My Mustang is 30 years old, and has ~240,000 miles on it. I have 3 people who want to buy it off me if I were to decide to sell as it's still in great shape.

Have a Escape Hybrid, been pretty reliable, still gets good mileage, just had a bunch of the suspension replaced and the brakes replaced for the first time ... at 210,000 miles and 13 years.
Ford really should have gone all-in on every model with hybrids and plug-in hybrids a decade ago. Instead they sat back and kept it in the niche premium category.

I'm hoping that the RAV4 Prime pushes other manufacturers to make "fun" plug-in hybrids that use the electric motors to add instant torque. The gas savings are nice, and helping the environment is all cool, but the 300 hp and a 5.7 second 0-60 time is what has me wanting it.


Yeah, beating all the bro-dozer coal-rollers (and most other cars too) at a local stoplight where two lanes merge into one is fun.
 
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