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2020-09-25 10:46:32 PM  
When Apple released iOS 14 earlier this month, it was supposed to let you set third-party apps as your default apps. However, a bug instead caused apps to reset [to Safari] after the iPhone was restarted.

Are tech writers forbidden to point out the obvious?
 
2020-09-25 10:53:13 PM  
It used to be that you could install any Apple update the day it was released and it was bug free and rock solid reliable.

Those days died years ago.
 
2020-09-25 11:21:07 PM  
Microsoft and Google nod knowingly.
 
2020-09-26 12:20:08 AM  
There was a relatively minor bug that was quickly corrected by a point issue.

It's difficult for me to get too excited about this.
 
2020-09-26 12:30:27 AM  
I can only assume that apple doesn't do any beta testing anymore, because this f*cking sucks. They totally screwed up desktop widgets.

What ever happened to "it just works?"
 
2020-09-26 12:55:38 AM  
It's always been this way. Apple is just acknowledging it now. They'll put updates out soon.


/posted from my Newton PDA.
 
2020-09-26 1:12:42 AM  
Never download the update immediately.  Give it at least a week and see what problems pop up elsewhere
 
2020-09-26 3:39:04 AM  
Unless that fix was already in the works before the iOS 14 launch I don't envy the team that had to punch out a production ready patch in only 10 days.
 
2020-09-26 4:58:36 AM  
Maybe that's for the best. It took 22 years to fix the bugs in GS/OS 6.0.1
 
2020-09-26 5:11:51 AM  

Naido: Never download the update immediately.  Give it at least a week and see what problems pop up elsewhere


damned free-riders.

/ waiting at least two weeks usually
 
2020-09-26 5:14:01 AM  
I patched my phone yesterday morning.. and had it fail.  First time I've seen that happen, and I had to let it try again.  It was a bit worrying.
 
2020-09-26 5:26:44 AM  
Lemme guess. He's pound his face. Break every bone in his body. Then he would drag him across a gravel road and feed his remains to a warthog. Is that about right?
 
2020-09-26 5:57:04 AM  
To everybody who claims "whar it just works whar", I am - was..? - a fan of Apple, and I don't think any (reasonable) person would claim "it just works" has ever been as good as the detractors think Apple fans think it is

/ I mean, I remember the stupid bug when nobody at Apple realised that they'd broken the "Log In" button in Mac OS X 10.2(..?) because their developers and testers all just hit the Return key to log in...
// And if you want to talk about stupid bugs, at present at work I'm using a Windows 10 machine that has to be frequently rebooted after it stops recognising any of the 3.5mm headphone ports
 
2020-09-26 5:57:50 AM  

labman: It used to be that you could install any Apple update the day it was released and it was bug free and rock solid reliable.

Those days died years ago.


AAAAAAHHHHHHAHAHAHA No.

I've been a Apple/Mac fan/user for decades (since System 6 at least). Always waited until the x.1 (or at the very least x.0.1) version for major OS/app releases.
 
2020-09-26 6:13:37 AM  
Never be the first penguin
 
2020-09-26 6:21:35 AM  

whither_apophis: When Apple released iOS 14 earlier this month, it was supposed to let you set third-party apps as your default apps. However, a bug instead caused apps to reset [to Safari] after the iPhone was restarted.

Are tech writers forbidden to point out the obvious?


Isn't this kind of thing what Apple fans claim would never happen at Apple, but Microsoft is evil when an identical bug resets your browser to Edge or clears your app defaults?

It's not hard to change my defaults, but I don't think Android had ever reset my defaults on me during an update.
 
2020-09-26 7:04:38 AM  

bloobeary: I can only assume that apple doesn't do any beta testing anymore, because this f*cking sucks. They totally screwed up desktop widgets.

What ever happened to "it just works?"


It never did "just work", that's just a slogan.
 
2020-09-26 7:16:43 AM  

Quantumbunny: whither_apophis: When Apple released iOS 14 earlier this month, it was supposed to let you set third-party apps as your default apps. However, a bug instead caused apps to reset [to Safari] after the iPhone was restarted.

Are tech writers forbidden to point out the obvious?

Isn't this kind of thing what Apple fans claim would never happen at Apple, but Microsoft is evil when an identical bug resets your browser to Edge or clears your app defaults?

It's not hard to change my defaults, but I don't think Android had ever reset my defaults on me during an update.


I'd trust Apple just releasing buggy software that resets your defaults over Microsoft having "embrace, extend, and extinguish" as an internal motto
 
2020-09-26 7:43:10 AM  
Users who use the preferred apps will enjoy a superior user experience.
Users should use the preferred apps - it is best.
A good person does what is best.
You should be a good person, like one of us.
One of us.
One of us.
 
2020-09-26 7:44:20 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Never be the first penguin


Or the last lemming.
 
2020-09-26 7:46:54 AM  

jso2897: leeksfromchichis: Never be the first penguin

Or the last lemming.


Or stand in a circle with anybody named Josephus.
 
2020-09-26 8:13:55 AM  
I don't even own an Apple phone, but their version x.0 has always had problems.  Most software has problems in an x.0 release.
 
2020-09-26 8:15:36 AM  

labman: It used to be that you could install any Apple update the day it was released and it was bug free and rock solid reliable.

Those days died years ago.


Lol, what?!
I've been using the iPhone since 2010. The only reason people didn't get regular updates is because Apple was very slow to fix bugs.

Now that iOS is positioned to fully replace OS X in the near future (using the in-house ARM arch), they take bug fixes more seriously.

Why anyone would see that as a bad thing is beyond me.

The old iOS versions had bugs. Lots of bugs. They just took their sweet ass time getting to them.
 
2020-09-26 8:27:24 AM  
Steve Jobs?
I loved him in Iron Sky 2: The Coming Race!
 
2020-09-26 8:29:24 AM  

NotCodger: There was a relatively minor bug that was quickly corrected by a point issue.

It's difficult for me to get too excited about this.


The fact that Apple had until now not let you set any third party app as the default is the real scandal. MS get a shiatload of criticism for suggesting you try one of their apps.
 
2020-09-26 8:51:42 AM  
I think his first priority would be to get out of the box he's buried in.

After that he may turn his attention to the OS.
 
2020-09-26 9:02:00 AM  

ReluctantLondon: To everybody who claims "whar it just works whar", I am - was..? - a fan of Apple, and I don't think any (reasonable) person would claim "it just works" has ever been as good as the detractors think Apple fans think it is


As a user of Apple products, I'd say for the most part, they do 'just work'.

But as a user of Windows, I also would say for the most part it 'just works'

Apple does a nice job with integration of it's iThingys with each other.


Apple has more hardware problems than software problems.
Of course with Apple, your ability to repair the hardware is extremely limited by design.

I have an iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro. For portable devices, they work very well for me.
The resell value on them is also stupid high, which makes up for the extra cost of the initial purchase price.

My workstation/gaming is done on a Windows box.
 
2020-09-26 9:25:03 AM  

NotCodger: There was a relatively minor bug that was quickly corrected by a point issue.

It's difficult for me to get too excited about this.


5 bugs. The stated default bug plus email not working, iphones not connecting to wifi, images blocked from news apps, and a bug preventing image previews.
 
2020-09-26 9:31:04 AM  
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2020-09-26 9:36:57 AM  

bloobeary: What ever happened to "it just works?"


You're holding it wrong.
 
2020-09-26 9:41:44 AM  
NewsFlash:

These things happened when Steve Jobs was still alive.

Steve Jobs was a heavy task masker and did a lot of things that can be appreciated.

1.The Faulty Antennae on the Iphone 4- Remember when Jobs said you were holding it wrong?

2. Apple Maps ditched the data from google and it sucked abosolute balls.  - Job did that.

3. Jobs only wanted to create apps for the device - Other execs had to talk him down off that roof

If I had a nickel for every time "When Steve was alive."  No this same kinda shiat happened.
 
2020-09-26 9:41:44 AM  

labman: It used to be that you could install any Apple update the day it was released and it was bug free and rock solid reliable.

Those days died years ago.


I had a 2nd Gen iPhone. I remember when the iOS updates were really bad and I couldn't make calls for longer than 1.5m for a month.
 
2020-09-26 9:42:58 AM  

bloobeary: What ever happened to "it just works?"


Steve Jobs died and his reality distortion field is faking failing.
 
2020-09-26 9:49:34 AM  

ReluctantLondon: Quantumbunny: whither_apophis: When Apple released iOS 14 earlier this month, it was supposed to let you set third-party apps as your default apps. However, a bug instead caused apps to reset [to Safari] after the iPhone was restarted.

Are tech writers forbidden to point out the obvious?

Isn't this kind of thing what Apple fans claim would never happen at Apple, but Microsoft is evil when an identical bug resets your browser to Edge or clears your app defaults?

It's not hard to change my defaults, but I don't think Android had ever reset my defaults on me during an update.

I'd trust Apple just releasing buggy software that resets your defaults over Microsoft having "embrace, extend, and extinguish" as an internal motto


Remind me again, what apps has apple bought again and then removed from other platforms. I know dark skies is one. They just cut everyone off that bought it and told them to get farked.
 
2020-09-26 10:35:21 AM  
Subby, what were you smoking back when Jobs was in charge? They were screwing up constantly, and only he knew where the bodies were buried.
 
2020-09-26 10:37:08 AM  
I installed the new version the day of (or rather, the night of, while I was asleep).  I hadn't noticed the issue, since it's a very minor glitch with a new feature that I didn't even realize existed.  And that glitch is being patched in 10 days?  

Truly, a travesty.

Am I supposed to be so angered that I want to go to a phone where two intermediate parties (phone manufacturer, carrier) who have to get their shiat in order before I get an update from the OS developer?

/And carrier delays... WTF I bought my phone, all I need from the carrier is connectivity to the towers and assignment of a .  Why on earth should they have any say in whether I get OS updates and patches?
 
2020-09-26 10:37:09 AM  

theflatline: NewsFlash:

These things happened when Steve Jobs was still alive.

Steve Jobs was a heavy task masker and did a lot of things that can be appreciated.

1.The Faulty Antennae on the Iphone 4- Remember when Jobs said you were holding it wrong?

2. Apple Maps ditched the data from google and it sucked abosolute balls.  - Job did that.

3. Jobs only wanted to create apps for the device - Other execs had to talk him down off that roof

If I had a nickel for every time "When Steve was alive."  No this same kinda shiat happened.


Let's not forget this:

Fark user imageView Full Size


It was a cool design, but it was an overpriced failure with lots of technical issues.

The Cult of Steve is a little annoying when you consider that Tim Cook has done a really great job taking the reigns. The Apple Watch was his baby, and even though it had a rough start it has just take over the wearables product category. AirPods have done the same when it comes to headphones.

As far as products go, the biggest failure I can place on him are the stupid Butterfly Keyboards, but thankfully those are gone now. Apple TV+ could be a big expensive boondoggle, but it is too soon to tell, as Ted Lasso is getting some good buzz.
 
2020-09-26 10:49:36 AM  

labman: It used to be that you could install any Apple update the day it was released and it was bug free and rock solid reliable.

Those days died years ago.


Bullcrap.  I have been using Macs daily since the OS 6/7 days.  Have ipads and phone too.  Never install any software update right away if your device is mission critical.
 
2020-09-26 10:52:29 AM  

Mad_Radhu: theflatline: NewsFlash:

These things happened when Steve Jobs was still alive.

Steve Jobs was a heavy task masker and did a lot of things that can be appreciated.

1.The Faulty Antennae on the Iphone 4- Remember when Jobs said you were holding it wrong?

2. Apple Maps ditched the data from google and it sucked abosolute balls.  - Job did that.

3. Jobs only wanted to create apps for the device - Other execs had to talk him down off that roof

If I had a nickel for every time "When Steve was alive."  No this same kinda shiat happened.

Let's not forget this:

[Fark user image 425x484]

It was a cool design, but it was an overpriced failure with lots of technical issues.

The Cult of Steve is a little annoying when you consider that Tim Cook has done a really great job taking the reigns. The Apple Watch was his baby, and even though it had a rough start it has just take over the wearables product category. AirPods have done the same when it comes to headphones.

As far as products go, the biggest failure I can place on him are the stupid Butterfly Keyboards, but thankfully those are gone now. Apple TV+ could be a big expensive boondoggle, but it is too soon to tell, as Ted Lasso is getting some good buzz.


Agreed.  Jobs was a visionary.  Cook has been able to take that vision and continue to grow it, while not being so hamstrung to Jobs' odd fetishes regarding how It's Supposed To Be.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the ARM Macs pan out.  In my teens and 20's, I never considered Macs because I wanted to be sure I could play games.  In my 20's though, i was seduced by the iPod and iPhone.  In my 30's, I finally jumped ship, and haven't looked back.
 
2020-09-26 10:53:00 AM  
I'm sure jobs killed a few people with his intensely painful body odor and incessant farting.

Still gave nothing but hate for him and his apple dumbf*cks when they sued Digital Research for tech that jobs stole from Xerox.
 
2020-09-26 10:55:33 AM  

Mad_Radhu: theflatline: NewsFlash:

These things happened when Steve Jobs was still alive.

Steve Jobs was a heavy task masker and did a lot of things that can be appreciated.

1.The Faulty Antennae on the Iphone 4- Remember when Jobs said you were holding it wrong?

2. Apple Maps ditched the data from google and it sucked abosolute balls.  - Job did that.

3. Jobs only wanted to create apps for the device - Other execs had to talk him down off that roof

If I had a nickel for every time "When Steve was alive."  No this same kinda shiat happened.

Let's not forget this:

[Fark user image 425x484]

It was a cool design, but it was an overpriced failure with lots of technical issues.

The Cult of Steve is a little annoying when you consider that Tim Cook has done a really great job taking the reigns. The Apple Watch was his baby, and even though it had a rough start it has just take over the wearables product category. AirPods have done the same when it comes to headphones.

As far as products go, the biggest failure I can place on him are the stupid Butterfly Keyboards, but thankfully those are gone now. Apple TV+ could be a big expensive boondoggle, but it is too soon to tell, as Ted Lasso is getting some good buzz.


A lot of people do not realize that all the massive production and supply chain running smoothly is because of Cook.  Jobs would say "make it so" and everyone else would do the heavy lifting and not receive any credit.  Especially cook.

As an Apple employee I do not watch Apple TV+. Though I get it for free. I guess I should try it.  I am not a gamer but the Arcade games are decently retro.  I am senior tech so I cannot speculate how successful any of those services are going to be in the long run as they are not my line of business.

I think the biggest boon doggle for the last few years is going to be the Homepod for various reasons.

1.It has great sound for a small device
2.Too costly
3.Siri can in no way compare with Alexa as for as AI.

And we would have sold a ton of them as just regular bluetooth speakers if we would allow you to stream bluetooth from other devices to them.

I  was one of the frontline guys for it's launch and we got hammered with android users who heard them and wanted them, but no love, you gotta have an IOS/Mac device.
 
2020-09-26 12:35:05 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Never be the first penguin


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2020-09-26 1:30:33 PM  
Jobs for vision, Ive for design, and Cook for operations made Apple great. They have made mistakes like the Lisa and Newton, but no computer company is right every time. If they were, we would all be running Vista, guided by Bob or Clippy, and listening to our Zunes.

Apple has a design philosophy that (usually) results in pricey products with superior quality that are then copied by other companies. Their emphasis on a "walled garden" and end user privacy protection is an integral part of that philosophy.

I use an iMac, MacBook, iPad, iPhone, and Apple Watch. If you prefer Windows, Linux, or Android, that's fine. Regardless of what system you use, updates and point issues are just a part of life.
 
2020-09-26 1:53:25 PM  

Bob Down: Microsoft and Google nod knowingly.


Windows Update has deleted user files for the last three years in a row.

Google still hasn't figured out how to update Android.
 
2020-09-26 2:09:21 PM  

theflatline: Mad_Radhu: theflatline: NewsFlash:

These things happened when Steve Jobs was still alive.

Steve Jobs was a heavy task masker and did a lot of things that can be appreciated.

1.The Faulty Antennae on the Iphone 4- Remember when Jobs said you were holding it wrong?

2. Apple Maps ditched the data from google and it sucked abosolute balls.  - Job did that.

3. Jobs only wanted to create apps for the device - Other execs had to talk him down off that roof

If I had a nickel for every time "When Steve was alive."  No this same kinda shiat happened.

Let's not forget this:

[Fark user image 425x484]

It was a cool design, but it was an overpriced failure with lots of technical issues.

The Cult of Steve is a little annoying when you consider that Tim Cook has done a really great job taking the reigns. The Apple Watch was his baby, and even though it had a rough start it has just take over the wearables product category. AirPods have done the same when it comes to headphones.

As far as products go, the biggest failure I can place on him are the stupid Butterfly Keyboards, but thankfully those are gone now. Apple TV+ could be a big expensive boondoggle, but it is too soon to tell, as Ted Lasso is getting some good buzz.

A lot of people do not realize that all the massive production and supply chain running smoothly is because of Cook.  Jobs would say "make it so" and everyone else would do the heavy lifting and not receive any credit.  Especially cook.

As an Apple employee I do not watch Apple TV+. Though I get it for free. I guess I should try it.  I am not a gamer but the Arcade games are decently retro.  I am senior tech so I cannot speculate how successful any of those services are going to be in the long run as they are not my line of business.

I think the biggest boon doggle for the last few years is going to be the Homepod for various reasons.

1.It has great sound for a small device
2.Too costly
3.Siri can in no way compare with Alexa as for as AI.

And we would have sold a ton of them as just regular bluetooth speakers if we would allow you to stream bluetooth from other devices to them.

I  was one of the frontline guys for it's launch and we got hammered with android users who heard them and wanted them, but no love, you gotta have an IOS/Mac device.


I totally forgot about the HomePod, but yeah that one was a miss, mainly because Siri isn't nearly as good as Alexa or Google Assistant.

Plus the whole HomeKit ecosystem is pretty stunted compared to how many inexpensive smart home devices work great with Alexa, which hurts the Homepod. Even the devices that do work are kind of wonky. I have an August smart lock that I had set up with HomeKit to try it out, using my Apple TV as the hub for the system. It worked okay for a while, but when I replaced the Apple TV with a new 4K model, I could never get HomeKit to switch to using the new one as a primary. I feel like the Apple ecosystem is great when it all just works seamlessly, but it can be hard to fix things if something goes wonky.
 
2020-09-26 2:37:58 PM  
Yeah, without Steve Jobs around, Apple could do something stupid like release a model of the iPhone with a metal band around it that blocks cell phone signals.
 
2020-09-26 5:32:34 PM  
If Steve Jobs were alive today, he'd be the pope of qanon.
 
2020-09-26 5:48:13 PM  

BullBearMS: Google still hasn't figured out how to update Android.


Most of the functionality is in the apps, which auto-update from the app store. Google separated out things like the common System Web UI as apps so they don't have to wait around for Samsung et al to finish interminable testing before release.

One of my phones is a Nexus 5, a model from 2013. I use it for phone calls and web browsing and a few essential (to me) apps.

Base OS updates stopped a long time ago, which makes no difference to me. The apps I need update themselves as much as they can for this phone. For the most part that means they run the latest version.
 
2020-09-26 6:58:33 PM  

labman: It used to be that you could install any Apple update the day it was released and it was bug free and rock solid reliable.

Those days died years ago.


That's a joke, right?

Since the age of constant connectivity, I doubt any release by any major company hasn't been followed by a breakfix release. Yes. It makes them look worse when it's major operational factors (such as, arguably, this one), but let's not pretend it isn't just the way of doing things these days.
 
2020-09-26 7:22:25 PM  

Naido: Never download the update immediately.  Give it at least a week and see what problems pop up elsewhere


Though it was obvious but guess it still need to be said.

/Never buy the first model year of a car after a major overhaul.
//Never buy new tech on launch day.
///Never install a big update as soon as it's available.
 
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