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2020-09-25 2:23:25 PM  
Garbage in, garbage out.
 
2020-09-25 8:31:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Garbage in, garbage out.


times 65 million 😔
 
2020-09-25 8:34:06 PM  
By all means, make the corrections. But, that will not convince them. The only thing that has a chance of working is removing them from the Derp Stream.

I know this because my brother believes weird shiat, demands inordinate amounts of evidence and then just declares that said evidence is all fake
 
2020-09-25 10:18:12 PM  
Fark retreaded Trump supporters.
 
2020-09-25 10:18:56 PM  
Oh god I bet that was suuuuuuuuuuuper informative. This applies to Trumpers as well
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2020-09-25 10:25:20 PM  
Its almost like these people are total idiots.
 
2020-09-25 10:25:44 PM  
Not surprised. I once brought up the fact Trump lies constantly to a Republican who said he got the most electoral college votes for a Republican since Reagan... When I showed her that was false, she then started harping on about how the liberal media lies.

Facebook should be shut down or held accountable for spreading bs.
 
2020-09-25 10:29:22 PM  

iheartscotch: By all means, make the corrections. But, that will not convince them. The only thing that has a chance of working is removing them from the Derp Stream.

I know this because my brother believes weird shiat, demands inordinate amounts of evidence and then just declares that said evidence is all fake


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Fact check. Do what you have to do to stay sane. Do what you can.
 
2020-09-25 10:30:34 PM  
Vanity is the whole point. If they're wrong about one thing they could be wrong about other things. Which leads to them being wrong about most things. So they can't admit anything they think is wrong because it's too fragile for criticism.
 
2020-09-25 10:34:01 PM  
Too stupid to save. Let them drown in their own fat. Let's stop fighting the Republicans and let them make health insurance illegal for a while and let all these wasted skin sacks die off.
 
2020-09-25 10:34:42 PM  
Fail is also not using the Video tag.
 
2020-09-25 10:35:46 PM  
Got it, they are dumb
 
2020-09-25 10:36:12 PM  
Didn't watch the video, but I'm pretty sure their response was probably something along the lines of "FAKE NEWS, MAGA MAGA, HAHA WE SO OWNED YOU LIBZ!"

I'm not sure there's any reaching them anymore. They've made 'truthiness' into a way of life.
 
2020-09-25 10:38:14 PM  
I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.
 
2020-09-25 10:39:24 PM  
These people need to be deprogrammed.  Literally nothing else will help them.  Literally.

People usually think "authoritarianism" is bad, but at some point we really do need the government to step in and fix things.  That is the only way this country will survive.  We can save these people, but it's gonna take a real strong hand.

In other words, we're screwed, because the Democrats will never, ever, ever let that happen.  Ever.
 
2020-09-25 10:39:55 PM  
We're seriously talking North Korea levels of brainwashing here.
 
2020-09-25 10:41:35 PM  
Also, the government has a very significant interest in not letting fascist propaganda and hate speech spread, and so those forms of speech, like in most of the first world, should absolutely be severely curtailed.  Popper knew about this nearly 90 years ago.  We have to restrict hate speech and propaganda.  We have to.
 
2020-09-25 10:47:20 PM  

fsbilly: I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.


Sometimes I have thought that as well. And then I remember Brexit.
 
2020-09-25 10:48:04 PM  

fsbilly: I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.


Well, keep in mind the UK currently has Boris and the never ending Brexit... So which smells better? Dog s*** or cat s***? Either way it'd be living in a room filled with one of them for years...
 
2020-09-25 10:49:03 PM  

acouvis: Not surprised. I once brought up the fact Trump lies constantly to a Republican who said he got the most electoral college votes for a Republican since Reagan... When I showed her that was false, she then started harping on about how the liberal media lies.

Facebook should be shut down or held accountable for spreading bs.


Shoot the messenger ? when has that ever stopped a conflict ?
 
2020-09-25 10:49:08 PM  

alienated: fsbilly: I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.

Sometimes I have thought that as well. And then I remember Brexit.


Canada obviously did something right.
 
2020-09-25 10:50:30 PM  

austerity101: Also, the government has a very significant interest in not letting fascist propaganda and hate speech spread, and so those forms of speech, like in most of the first world, should absolutely be severely curtailed.  Popper knew about this nearly 90 years ago.  We have to restrict hate speech and propaganda.  We have to.


And where do you draw the line at what qualifies?  Because the real issue isn't censoring the fascists - the issue is the people who will start labeling everything they don't like as fascism to get it censored.  And keep in mind that we already live in a world where major government and corporate policies get dictated by Twitter/Tublr trolls who already label everything and everyone they disagree with about literally anything as racist/Nazi/___-phobia.  Do you really want to give those twats even more power?
 
2020-09-25 10:52:44 PM  
Cats are almost as easy to train as dogs, most people just don't bother. Seriously.
 
2020-09-25 10:54:58 PM  

LurkerSupreme: Didn't watch the video, but I'm pretty sure their response was probably


This is the kind of thought pattern we really need to train ourselves out of.
 
2020-09-25 10:56:10 PM  

austerity101: These people need to be deprogrammed.  Literally nothing else will help them.  Literally.


I think legalizing psychedelic therapy is the first step.
 
2020-09-25 10:59:51 PM  

Hickory-smoked: austerity101: These people need to be deprogrammed.  Literally nothing else will help them.  Literally.

I think legalizing psychedelic therapy is the first step.


If that fails, electro-shock.
 
2020-09-25 11:08:04 PM  
They aren't any dumber than the rest of the population, they use Facebook. It's responsible for literal genocide and we need to start treating it like a weapon pointed at our collective faces. Stop using it. You're not immune, and they are hacking your brain.
 
2020-09-25 11:12:24 PM  

Hickory-smoked: LurkerSupreme: Didn't watch the video, but I'm pretty sure their response was probably

This is the kind of thought pattern we really need to train ourselves out of.


Was I wrong?

*watches video*

Maybe I had added a bit of hyperbole, but otherwise nope. That hewed pretty closely to what my expectations were for the video.

There, I spent the 4 minutes to watch the video and ensure I wasn't getting carried away making unfounded presumptions. Happy?

//I usually skip videos because they require my full attention and are often padded with superfluous crap
/Typically prefer an article because I can read it in 30 seconds as opposed to a 10 minute video
 
2020-09-25 11:13:25 PM  

adamatari: Cats are almost as easy to train as dogs, most people just don't bother. Seriously.


I tried teaching my cat to make souvenir prize replicas of its butt.
It was a catastrophe
 
2020-09-25 11:15:15 PM  

aleister_greynight: alienated: fsbilly: I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.

Sometimes I have thought that as well. And then I remember Brexit.

Canada obviously did something right.


I think about treatment of First Nations and the damn Tar Sands and I lose my cool.
 
2020-09-25 11:16:09 PM  
You can't teach people who have deliberately chosen not to learn what you're preaching, facts or no facts.
 
2020-09-25 11:18:09 PM  
"You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into"

- Jonathan Swift (allegedly)
 
2020-09-25 11:18:18 PM  

alienated: fsbilly: I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.

Sometimes I have thought that as well. And then I remember Brexit.


Yes, but, if Britain still had "The Colonies" would the economic, racial, social, etc., conditions jave gotten to the same boiling point where a well-timed disruption campaign from Russia could've brought the UK to a grinding halt 250 years later?

Who knows. Hell, we might be French or Spanish by now. Or, maybe Native folks could've worked it so as to leech population away from Europe. There are near infinite possibilities.
 
2020-09-25 11:21:19 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Garbage in to garbage , garbage out of garbage .


*dusts off hands* there we are.
 
2020-09-25 11:22:18 PM  

ThunderPelvis: They aren't any dumber than the rest of the population, they use Facebook. It's responsible for literal genocide and we need to start treating it like a weapon pointed at our collective faces. Stop using it. You're not immune, and they are hacking your brain.


If we had less religion and more education this wouldn't be much of an issue.  Anyone who has basic critical thinking skills and a will to also seek information outside of social media is just fine.  Well, there's also the mental health aspect, but that's a whole other ball of wax.
 
2020-09-25 11:22:49 PM  

austerity101: These people need to be deprogrammed.  Literally nothing else will help them.  Literally.

People usually think "authoritarianism" is bad, but at some point we really do need the government to step in and fix things.  That is the only way this country will survive.  We can save these people, but it's gonna take a real strong hand.

In other words, we're screwed, because the Democrats will never, ever, ever let that happen.  Ever.


Mmmmmm... nah. Let's just give them their own landlocked country then close the borders and wait.
 
2020-09-25 11:24:13 PM  

fsbilly: I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.


Lincoln should have let the south go. That was the mistake
 
2020-09-25 11:25:58 PM  

LurkerSupreme: Didn't watch the video, but I'm pretty sure their response was probably something along the lines of "FAKE NEWS, MAGA MAGA, HAHA WE SO OWNED YOU LIBZ!"

I'm not sure there's any reaching them anymore. They've made 'truthiness' into a way of life.


yep.....'reaching them' is over. Maybe a few will be converted, but the MAGAts are all in at this point. Interviews like this one from CNN will be the plentiful for the next 37 days, but it won't change anything. Even when the count comes in, there is going to be another couple months of handwringing. The vote is set already. We just don't have the final numbers in front of us.

If COVID has been good for anything, at least it has provided the reason to avoid gathering with my dip-shiat pro Trump family for the holidays. Until 1/6/2020, I am staying out of sight. After that, who knows?

1/6/2020 cannot come fast enough.
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2020-09-25 11:26:20 PM  

odinsposse: Vanity is the whole point. If they're wrong about one thing they could be wrong about other things. Which leads to them being wrong about most things. So they can't admit anything they think is wrong because it's too fragile for criticism.


Plus learning is work and all.
 
2020-09-25 11:27:13 PM  

drayno76: Hickory-smoked: austerity101: These people need to be deprogrammed.  Literally nothing else will help them.  Literally.

I think legalizing psychedelic therapy is the first step.

If that fails, electro-shock.


5 dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms would be better. Repeat as necessary.
 
2020-09-25 11:30:10 PM  

iheartscotch: By all means, make the corrections. But, that will not convince them. The only thing that has a chance of working is removing them from the Derp Stream.

I know this because my brother believes weird shiat, demands inordinate amounts of evidence and then just declares that said evidence is all fake


Cut him out of your life in every way shape or form see only way to teach these people
 
2020-09-25 11:31:58 PM  

odinsposse: Vanity is the whole point. If they're wrong about one thing they could be wrong about other things. Which leads to them being wrong about most things. So they can't admit anything they think is wrong because it's too fragile for criticism.


A few days ago, a lawyer encouraged others to shoot me because of exactly what you said.
 
2020-09-25 11:40:26 PM  

dababler: iheartscotch: By all means, make the corrections. But, that will not convince them. The only thing that has a chance of working is removing them from the Derp Stream.

I know this because my brother believes weird shiat, demands inordinate amounts of evidence and then just declares that said evidence is all fake

Cut him out of your life in every way shape or form see only way to teach these people


Not that it wouldn't be the best strategy for one's own mental health, but that almost certainly wouldn't teach him anything.

If you wanted to actually help, my recommendation is still mushrooms.

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2020-09-25 11:48:02 PM  
I blame Ancient Aliens, which is still on the air by the way.
 
2020-09-26 12:00:43 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Its almost like these people are total idiots.


Nothing like that man pregnant with his own poop baby wearing a Trump 2020 shirt that says "No More Bullshiat".
 
2020-09-26 12:02:41 AM  

drayno76: Hickory-smoked: austerity101: These people need to be deprogrammed.  Literally nothing else will help them.  Literally.

I think legalizing psychedelic therapy is the first step.

If that fails, electro-shock.


Shock Treatment
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2020-09-26 12:06:27 AM  

urethra_franklin: alienated: fsbilly: I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.

Sometimes I have thought that as well. And then I remember Brexit.

Yes, but, if Britain still had "The Colonies" would the economic, racial, social, etc., conditions jave gotten to the same boiling point where a well-timed disruption campaign from Russia could've brought the UK to a grinding halt 250 years later?

Who knows. Hell, we might be French or Spanish by now. Or, maybe Native folks could've worked it so as to leech population away from Europe. There are near infinite possibilities.


Probably not.

If Britain had had the raw wealth of the Americas in the 1790s, and the innovations and manpower that eventually came with it, Britain would have been in a position to put down a lot of the minor wars of the 19th century.

And expanding both East and West would have given them a power and reach unrivaled in scope since Imperial Rome.

And without the humanist revolution of France, Marxism might never have evolved at all.
 
2020-09-26 12:07:06 AM  

drayno76: Hickory-smoked: austerity101: These people need to be deprogrammed.  Literally nothing else will help them.  Literally.

I think legalizing psychedelic therapy is the first step.

If that fails, electro-shock.


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2020-09-26 12:13:06 AM  

urethra_franklin: alienated: fsbilly: I am convinced the American Revolution was a mistake.

Sometimes I have thought that as well. And then I remember Brexit.

Yes, but, if Britain still had "The Colonies" would the economic, racial, social, etc., conditions jave gotten to the same boiling point where a well-timed disruption campaign from Russia could've brought the UK to a grinding halt 250 years later?

Who knows. Hell, we might be French or Spanish by now. Or, maybe Native folks could've worked it so as to leech population away from Europe. There are near infinite possibilities.


That is a giant puzzle box. Inside a maze, inside an Escher picture.
I am a fan of alternate history, but that is so many pieces set in play.
I mean, I can do so many small calculations that work towards an end goal / sum, but. wow.
I am not a supercomputer who would need about 3 weeks of spare time to produce even half an answer.
I will say that Britain at the very least, abolished slavery before America.

You have stumped me, and I cannot answer that.
 
2020-09-26 12:39:39 AM  

alienated: hat is a giant puzzle box. Inside a maze, inside an Escher picture.
I am a fan of alternate history, but that is so many pieces set in play.
I mean, I can do so many small calculations that work towards an end goal / sum, but. wow.
I am not a supercomputer who would need about 3 weeks of spare time to produce even half an answer.
I will say that Britain at the very least, abolished slavery before America.

You have stumped me, and I cannot answer that.


Janeway: Time travel. Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet captain I swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes - the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache.
 
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