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(Slate)   A long Slatesplanation of just how racist the romance novel industry is. Cliff notes version: It's racist as all hell   (slate.com) divider line
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2020-09-25 1:18:03 PM  
Don't even get me started on Beverly Lewis, Cindy Woodsmall, and Wanda Brunstetter
 
2020-09-25 1:33:39 PM  
I stayed in my cousin's room once during a visit and she had a bookcase of "romance novels". The women varied in period costume, hair style, hair colour, etc, but the "romantic" hero was always exactly identical despite changes of costume.

That goes beyond racism I think, and into Romantic Idealism. None of them were Asian or Black, of course.
 
2020-09-25 1:34:57 PM  
It's not just romance novels, it's porn sites too. Check out porn sites featuring "BBC" and you'll find it to be not very racially diverse.
 
2020-09-25 1:35:08 PM  
So, books in a very tightly defined genre that endlessly rehashes certain settings and characters tend to feature a lot of those settings and characters?

I was so surprised my monocle fell right into my soup.
 
2020-09-25 1:35:16 PM  
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2020-09-25 1:35:48 PM  
Start buying books about ugly Asian guys banging ugly black women and publishers will start selling them.
 
2020-09-25 1:36:05 PM  
This better not cost me my job modelling for these covers.
 
2020-09-25 1:36:05 PM  
You can say what you want about the Penthouse Forum, but at least they mixed things up  more than the romance novel industry does.
 
2020-09-25 1:36:24 PM  

BeotchPudding: GIS:

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2020-09-25 1:37:12 PM  
Here is my romance novel alter ego:

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2020-09-25 1:38:02 PM  
You'd think people would get sick of playing the race card. Guess it pays well! "GIVE US ATTENTION!!" Anyone else notice how "Black" is a place now?
 
2020-09-25 1:38:05 PM  
So, with Milan's permission, she leaked the judgment from the RWA's ethics committee on Twitter. What followed was an explosive reckoning over racism in the world of romance writing, one that threatened to tear the community apart. For Cole, whose romances often deal with white backlash to racial progress, the blowup was nothing less than "America in miniature."

Pretty sure Fark covered this original story.  The organization sounds like "lovely" people.
 
2020-09-25 1:40:03 PM  
Who am I to say what turns Karen on after a few glasses of Zinfandel
 
2020-09-25 1:40:34 PM  
Maybe she should try another genre

"Dive, dive!" Yelled the captain through the thing....
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2020-09-25 1:40:49 PM  
I'm sorry, but nobody cares if one romance writer is criticizing another romance writer.  The books are all trash by definition.

You are peddling in trash.  Stop acting like your trash is more righteous or artistic than another's trash.

Finally, romance is one of the few areas where all races, creeds, and dinosaurs can be fetishized and romanticized.  I, of course, am referring to the greatest author of our generation, Chuck Tingle.  I urge everyone to read his seminal works, "Pounded In The Butt By My Own Butt" "My Billionaire Triceratops Craves Gay Ass" "I'm Gay For My Living Billionaire Jet Plane" "Bigfoot Sommelier Butt Tasting" and "Turned Gay By The Existential Dread That I May Actually Be A Character In A Chuck Tingle Novel."
 
2020-09-25 1:42:49 PM  
Not to mention, there is an entire genre of romance novels that is Black Supremacist fetishization.  It involves enslaving white men and using them for sex and labor.

/shut up potato, people are starting to wonder why you know so much about these novels
 
2020-09-25 1:46:30 PM  

SBinRR: So, with Milan's permission, she leaked the judgment from the RWA's ethics committee on Twitter. What followed was an explosive reckoning over racism in the world of romance writing, one that threatened to tear the community apart. For Cole, whose romances often deal with white backlash to racial progress, the blowup was nothing less than "America in miniature."


But how would it tear the community apart?  Like a lusty knave, parting the sides of his silken tunic?  Like a lusty maiden, glowing with perspiration in the feverish realm of desire?  How would this "explosive reckoning" reveal itself?
Three or four more pages, and we may find out...
 
2020-09-25 1:48:24 PM  
Do women readers even care?

/Guessing that a vast majority of readers of this are female.
 
2020-09-25 1:50:09 PM  
You don't have a right to read what you like anymore. eh?   Looks like BIPOC need to get to reading more.   Also, you don't need to have a printing press anymore, if some of ya'll have missed the memo.   In fact you don't even need to get into the Amazon store to sell books.
 
2020-09-25 1:52:30 PM  

RussianPotato: I'm sorry, but nobody cares if one romance writer is criticizing another romance writer.  The books are all trash by definition.

You are peddling in trash.  Stop acting like your trash is more righteous or artistic than another's trash.

Finally, romance is one of the few areas where all races, creeds, and dinosaurs can be fetishized and romanticized.  I, of course, am referring to the greatest author of our generation, Chuck Tingle.  I urge everyone to read his seminal works, "Pounded In The Butt By My Own Butt" "My Billionaire Triceratops Craves Gay Ass" "I'm Gay For My Living Billionaire Jet Plane" "Bigfoot Sommelier Butt Tasting" and "Turned Gay By The Existential Dread That I May Actually Be A Character In A Chuck Tingle Novel."


Well, it's just like every other industry.  Among themselves, it's a subject that threatens their core to its very foundations.  To the rest of the world outside a few dozen people, it's something they've never even thought about, before or since.
Why, yes, I've sat through pointless meetings at work before.  Why do you ask?

/ sat through an office meeting on 'dress code', about an hour of which was devoted to what "T-shirt" should be defined as
 
2020-09-25 1:55:24 PM  

RussianPotato: I'm sorry, but nobody cares if one romance writer is criticizing another romance writer.  The books are all trash by definition.

You are peddling in trash.  Stop acting like your trash is more righteous or artistic than another's trash.

Finally, romance is one of the few areas where all races, creeds, and dinosaurs can be fetishized and romanticized.  I, of course, am referring to the greatest author of our generation, Chuck Tingle.  I urge everyone to read his seminal works, "Pounded In The Butt By My Own Butt" "My Billionaire Triceratops Craves Gay Ass" "I'm Gay For My Living Billionaire Jet Plane" "Bigfoot Sommelier Butt Tasting" and "Turned Gay By The Existential Dread That I May Actually Be A Character In A Chuck Tingle Novel."


"Pounded In The Butt By My Troll Posts On Fark"
 
2020-09-25 2:00:56 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: You don't have a right to read what you like anymore. eh?   Looks like BIPOC need to get to reading more.   Also, you don't need to have a printing press anymore, if some of ya'll have missed the memo.   In fact you don't even need to get into the Amazon store to sell books.


If you don't randomly pick people to fark it's just hate crimes all the way down
 
2020-09-25 2:06:06 PM  

BeotchPudding: Do women readers even care?

/Guessing that a vast majority of readers of this are female.


Romance novels are a type of fantasy escape for people (mostly women). The closer you can identify with the heroine the better the escape and the more likely you'll sell the book series. Making a series where the main character is Black would open up a whole new market (Black women). The problem is that the author would need to be knowledgeable of Black culture and living conditions. Just changing the descriptions aren't enough. White romance writers don't want to work that hard, and Black romance writers are kept out of the industry.
 
2020-09-25 2:08:20 PM  

NotARocketScientist: BeotchPudding: Do women readers even care?

/Guessing that a vast majority of readers of this are female.

Romance novels are a type of fantasy escape for people (mostly women). The closer you can identify with the heroine the better the escape and the more likely you'll sell the book series. Making a series where the main character is Black would open up a whole new market (Black women). The problem is that the author would need to be knowledgeable of Black culture and living conditions. Just changing the descriptions aren't enough. White romance writers don't want to work that hard, and Black romance writers are kept out of the industry.


Dude, Chuck Tingle isn't kept out of the industry.  There is no being kept out of the industry.  Self publish and put your shiat on Amazon.  This isn't the 1700s.
 
2020-09-25 2:10:07 PM  
Friend of mine is a professional romance novel/ kinky erotica writer, and you would not believe the stipulations publishers of these books put into contracts with writers.   Not only are they racist as all hell, but they are also homophobic, sexist, and generally require the characters live happily ever after in a monogamous heterosexual relationship.   And that INCLUDES the kinky stuff.
 
2020-09-25 2:11:39 PM  
Obviously what we need are Affirmative Fiction programs.
 
2020-09-25 2:13:04 PM  

ZAZ: Start buying books about ugly Asian guys banging ugly black women and publishers will start selling them.


You start putting Asians in romance novels and it would just be pages of ██████████
 
2020-09-25 2:13:44 PM  

RussianPotato: NotARocketScientist: BeotchPudding: Do women readers even care?

/Guessing that a vast majority of readers of this are female.

Romance novels are a type of fantasy escape for people (mostly women). The closer you can identify with the heroine the better the escape and the more likely you'll sell the book series. Making a series where the main character is Black would open up a whole new market (Black women). The problem is that the author would need to be knowledgeable of Black culture and living conditions. Just changing the descriptions aren't enough. White romance writers don't want to work that hard, and Black romance writers are kept out of the industry.

Dude, Chuck Tingle isn't kept out of the industry.  There is no being kept out of the industry.  Self publish and put your shiat on Amazon.  This isn't the 1700s.


because of the utter lack of quality controls by Amazon, the Self-publishing market is all but extinct.  There are so many 20-page "book" and files filed  with Lorem Ipsum and just downright horribly written badly edited "book" out there that NOBODY spends actually money on self-published books and look for an imprint or trusted publishing house before downloading anything but a free book.

That said, aformentioned friend is giving a shot because she's tired of being ripped off by her VERY dodgy publisher
 
2020-09-25 2:14:18 PM  
Of course. These novels are aimed at white women and girls. That's their audience. The male love interests are also all white males. If PoC males were those interests - as I'm sure some of the white women might appreciate -  white men would instantly deride these novels as "pr0n".

When it's white men, it's romance. When it's PoC men - especially Black men - it's pr0n.
 
2020-09-25 2:14:24 PM  

Magorn: Friend of mine is a professional romance novel/ kinky erotica writer, and you would not believe the stipulations publishers of these books put into contracts with writers.   Not only are they racist as all hell, but they are also homophobic, sexist, and generally require the characters live happily ever after in a monogamous heterosexual relationship.   And that INCLUDES the kinky stuff.


With a few odd corners - there's a small but active poly relationship genre
 
2020-09-25 2:14:33 PM  

brantgoose: I stayed in my cousin's room once during a visit and she had a bookcase of "romance novels". The women varied in period costume, hair style, hair colour, etc, but the "romantic" hero was always exactly identical despite changes of costume.

That goes beyond racism I think, and into Romantic Idealism. None of them were Asian or Black, of course.


there are plenty of Asian and black romance novels a Google search just told me so
 
2020-09-25 2:15:16 PM  

Magorn: Friend of mine is a professional romance novel/ kinky erotica writer, and you would not believe the stipulations publishers of these books put into contracts with writers.   Not only are they racist as all hell, but they are also homophobic, sexist, and generally require the characters live happily ever after in a monogamous heterosexual relationship.   And that INCLUDES the kinky stuff.


I love me a kinky book.

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2020-09-25 2:16:47 PM  

Oreminer: Magorn: Friend of mine is a professional romance novel/ kinky erotica writer, and you would not believe the stipulations publishers of these books put into contracts with writers.   Not only are they racist as all hell, but they are also homophobic, sexist, and generally require the characters live happily ever after in a monogamous heterosexual relationship.   And that INCLUDES the kinky stuff.

I love me a kinky book.

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I have a copy of that as well, picked up at a thrift store a few year ago, simply couldn't resist
 
2020-09-25 2:17:18 PM  
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2020-09-25 2:18:55 PM  
So because of the coronavirus, I've been watching random stuff on Netflix.  Somewhere in there I watched a couple of episodes of Outlander.  My immediate impression:

"strong" white woman shows how strong she is by verbally abusing white manly-men and having sex with them.

It didn't seem to be my genre, so I stopped watching.  I noticed they've extended into multiple seasons so I figured that maybe it's more than I perceived.  Anyone made it though the show to say if there's more to it than my impressions?
 
2020-09-25 2:19:50 PM  

Magorn: Oreminer: Magorn: Friend of mine is a professional romance novel/ kinky erotica writer, and you would not believe the stipulations publishers of these books put into contracts with writers.   Not only are they racist as all hell, but they are also homophobic, sexist, and generally require the characters live happily ever after in a monogamous heterosexual relationship.   And that INCLUDES the kinky stuff.

I love me a kinky book.

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I have a copy of that as well, picked up at a thrift store a few year ago, simply couldn't resist


Some of the recipes were actually pretty good. The writing matches the quality of the source material though.
 
2020-09-25 2:23:36 PM  

brantgoose: I stayed in my cousin's room once during a visit and she had a bookcase of "romance novels". The women varied in period costume, hair style, hair colour, etc, but the "romantic" hero was always exactly identical despite changes of costume.

That goes beyond racism I think, and into Romantic Idealism. None of them were Asian or Black, of course.


I have to wonder if those attacking people for having the wrong "romantic" fantasies even think they are different from The American Family Association and klan groups opposing "miscegenation".  What other people like shouldn't be their problem.
 
2020-09-25 2:24:25 PM  

rewind2846: Of course. These novels are aimed at white women and girls. That's their audience. The male love interests are also all white males. If PoC males were those interests - as I'm sure some of the white women might appreciate -  white men would instantly deride these novels as "pr0n".

When it's white men, it's romance. When it's PoC men - especially Black men - it's pr0n.


As long as Gilbert Gottfried does the audiobook I can tolerate it.
 
2020-09-25 2:25:32 PM  
People who write and sell niche books for money, cater to their target niche.


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2020-09-25 2:25:34 PM  
But, but....I thought fabio was "ethnic"
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2020-09-25 2:35:44 PM  

Blink: So because of the coronavirus, I've been watching random stuff on Netflix.  Somewhere in there I watched a couple of episodes of Outlander.  My immediate impression:

"strong" white woman shows how strong she is by verbally abusing white manly-men and having sex with them.

It didn't seem to be my genre, so I stopped watching.  I noticed they've extended into multiple seasons so I figured that maybe it's more than I perceived.  Anyone made it though the show to say if there's more to it than my impressions?



My ex loved the books.  I think they are more cerebral than the TV show, with more internal moral dilemmas.

The back story on the author is pretty funny.  She quit her day job and wanted to become a writer, and when she was told that she needed to practice she said to herself "Well, I'll write something straightforward like a romance.  I'll never publish it, I'll just use it to practice, and will give chapters to friends and other writers so they'll give me feedback on my technique."  Then an agent got wind of it, convinced her to publish it, and she's made major bank off the dozen novels and novellas in the last 20 years.  Let alone the TV rights.
 
2020-09-25 2:44:24 PM  
You want some good stuff? Check out this podcast. Seriously NSFW language but farking hilarious.
 
2020-09-25 2:51:16 PM  
CSB

The wife pretended to be a writer for a couple years. What she was constantly taken aback about how just racist other writers were. In such, that as a writer, you were apparently not allowed to have characters that differed from your personal ethnic group. Because as a creator of a fantasy world, you were engaging in cultural appropriation and bigotry if you wrote about experiences you didn't personally have.

And thus she came to the conclusion that writers were nuts.

/CSB
 
2020-09-25 2:55:33 PM  

GodComplex: CSB

The wife pretended to be a writer for a couple years. What she was constantly taken aback about how just racist other writers were. In such, that as a writer, you were apparently not allowed to have characters that differed from your personal ethnic group. Because as a creator of a fantasy world, you were engaging in cultural appropriation and bigotry if you wrote about experiences you didn't personally have.

And thus she came to the conclusion that writers were nuts.

/CSB


Either you or your wife, or maybe both of you, are nuts.
 
2020-09-25 2:59:21 PM  

Blink: So because of the coronavirus, I've been watching random stuff on Netflix.  Somewhere in there I watched a couple of episodes of Outlander.  My immediate impression:

"strong" white woman shows how strong she is by verbally abusing white manly-men and having sex with them.

It didn't seem to be my genre, so I stopped watching.  I noticed they've extended into multiple seasons so I figured that maybe it's more than I perceived.  Anyone made it though the show to say if there's more to it than my impressions?


Just admit you binged watched it as a guilty pleasure and now want to discuss it in order to purge yourself.
 
2020-09-25 3:05:33 PM  
A long throbbing Slatesplanation of just how racist the romance novel industry is
 
2020-09-25 3:06:57 PM  

Not_Todd: This better not cost me my job modelling for these covers.


Are you the horse?
 
2020-09-25 3:09:34 PM  
It's amazing to me that even fap (slick?) material can have a racist worldview and system behind it. I would think we could all happily fap to fantasies of romantic lovers from exotic lands, but apparently "exotic" is limited to Britain and the romantic lovers are all aristocrats? I'm just baffled.
 
2020-09-25 3:10:49 PM  
Romance novels. Any of you farkers know that if you look at an actual Barbie catalog, they've got romance book covers of Barbie and Ken.

*sigh*
I can't remember how long it's been since I read a bodice ripper.
 
2020-09-25 3:13:24 PM  

NotARocketScientist: BeotchPudding: Do women readers even care?

/Guessing that a vast majority of readers of this are female.

Romance novels are a type of fantasy escape for people (mostly women). The closer you can identify with the heroine the better the escape and the more likely you'll sell the book series. Making a series where the main character is Black would open up a whole new market (Black women). The problem is that the author would need to be knowledgeable of Black culture and living conditions. Just changing the descriptions aren't enough. White romance writers don't want to work that hard, and Black romance writers are kept out of the industry.


There's a whole cottage industry out there for "urban" fiction, romantic or not. If the big boy publishers swept up all the black authors then someone would be complaining that black owned businesses can't compete with larger white-owned businesses.
 
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