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2020-09-25 9:08:45 AM  
Is there anything that doesn't worry Democrats?
 
2020-09-25 9:19:52 AM  
Biden is ahead nationally by ten points.

Whatever he's doing is working.

Unrustle your jimmies.
 
2020-09-25 9:28:03 AM  
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
 
2020-09-25 10:26:54 AM  
Axelrod as usual is spot on, but that's just connecting to the right  and relevant topics.
 
2020-09-25 10:51:09 AM  
Maybe it's just my viewing habits, but Biden seems to be outspending trump in tv spots

East Texas
DirectTV
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Your mileage may vary
 
2020-09-25 11:33:20 AM  
I regularly look for Biden press conferences or announcements, but pretty much only ever come up with short press releases regarding the most recent Trump campaign event stating "Trump said X. It's going to kill you because Y." i.e. written in the short, made so the evening news anchor can read it as "The Biden camp released a response saying Trump's plan will kill you because drinking bleach is deadly. And in sports..."

I wish he were more visible, but, I'm not running his campaign, so we'll just have to wait to see if his plan works out.
 
2020-09-25 11:35:51 AM  
Just keep giving him just enough rope.
 
2020-09-25 11:37:25 AM  
Look, pretty much everyone has made their decision, Biden isn't going to change thst much by holding superspreader events.
 
2020-09-25 11:38:00 AM  
A common conversation topic surrounding my friends and I has been how refreshing Biden's approach to the current campaign has been. Let Trump have all the lying and bloviating. Biden has been a class act, a yin to Trump's yang of shiat baggery.
 
2020-09-25 11:38:49 AM  
Just let Trump out on the campaign trail and dig his own grave.
Biden is 78 years old, and probably doesn't have the stamina/Adderall to make 30 campaign stops in 17 days.
Also, Biden has experience at campaigning. Stop trying to tell him how to run a winning campaign.
 
2020-09-25 11:39:03 AM  

bloobeary: Biden is ahead nationally by ten points.

Whatever he's doing is working.

Unrustle your jimmies.


WRONG. He's is actually losing by one vote in every poll. Yes, just one vote. Your vote.

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2020-09-25 11:39:42 AM  
I'm not voting for Biden. I'm voting against Trump, and a little for Harris, hoping we hold these current scammers a nice crimes against humanity trial for the confiscation of PPE and denial of assistance to states affected by COVID in the beginning, furthering its spread.
 
2020-09-25 11:40:17 AM  
His campaign is "low key" because he doesn't go on a big stage and make a jackass out of himself on a daily basis so it doesn't get covered as much. Even look here on fark, story about Biden releasing/discussing plan for _____, gets posted hours after it happens with 100 comments. Trump says something stupid at event, it was greenlit hours before it started and has 1000 comments.
 
2020-09-25 11:40:28 AM  

baka-san: Maybe it's just my viewing habits, but Biden seems to be outspending trump in tv spots

East Texas
DirectTV
Cooking shows and racing
Your mileage may vary


Every other commercial on Hulu is a Biden for me.

/WNC, YMMV
 
2020-09-25 11:40:51 AM  
kbronsito:

WRONG. He's is actually losing by one vote in every poll. Yes, just one vote. Your vote.

smarted
 
2020-09-25 11:41:03 AM  
Relying on your opponent to drive your own turnout is still a very stupid tactic.
But otherwise someone might get inspired, and I'm told that is a VERY. BAD. THING.

"Not Trump" might win a blowout, but that's hardly an endorsement of Biden.
As ever, you need to give voters something to vote for.
 
2020-09-25 11:41:26 AM  
Still, Trump sees the contrast in travel as an opportunity to argue that his packed schedule shows he's outworking Biden.

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lol ok.
 
2020-09-25 11:42:13 AM  
Dumb worry. This is Trump's election to lose.

Let him lose it.

Give him the rope to hang himself.

All Biden needs to do is be an adult. Show that he's capable and compassionate and not an elderly toddler. If it was Warren et al running they'd have to run hard to convince people they can do the job, due to inherent bias in the electorate.

Biden is an old establishment white guy. Many people just ASSUME folks like that can do the job by default.

Biden has little to gain by going hard. Trump is going to suck the air out the room regardless, the media falls all over itself to give him coverage, so let him stumble around some more. Give him the rope.

It's Trump's election to lose. Allowing him to lose it is the right approach*.

*For BIDEN. Congressional and Senate dems have to be preparing NOW for the gigantic legal fight that will ensue over the election. The GOP will try every trick imaginable to overturn votes, throw out ballots, and more. They ought to be combating these efforts RIGHT NOW. But that's not Biden's fight, it's theirs.
 
2020-09-25 11:42:22 AM  

bdub77: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.


Thing is - Trump isn't making mistakes here. He's saying what his base wants to hear and what excites them to vote. He's making sure his message gets out, that he gets screen time, and that when he does he has a backdrop that looks "Presidential" - a big stage with flags all over for example.

What he's saying is horrible, and toxic to the Democratic base. But just because it's toxic to them doesn't mean they should assume it's losing him a single republican leaning voter.

They made that mistake in 2016.

Biden needs to get his message out, and needs to look like a President while doing it.
 
2020-09-25 11:43:06 AM  
Biden has the name recognition to be able to pull off a low key campaign.  All the other democratic candidates would have had to go out and campaign, raise funds and get their name out there.
 
2020-09-25 11:43:10 AM  
"Some Democrats are worried..." say Republicans.
 
2020-09-25 11:43:45 AM  

Target Builder: bdub77: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Thing is - Trump isn't making mistakes here. He's saying what his base wants to hear and what excites them to vote. He's making sure his message gets out, that he gets screen time, and that when he does he has a backdrop that looks "Presidential" - a big stage with flags all over for example.

What he's saying is horrible, and toxic to the Democratic base. But just because it's toxic to them doesn't mean they should assume it's losing him a single republican leaning voter.

They made that mistake in 2016.

Biden needs to get his message out, and needs to look like a President while doing it.


That's what the debates are for.
 
2020-09-25 11:44:15 AM  

Opacity: I regularly look for Biden press conferences or announcements, but pretty much only ever come up with short press releases regarding the most recent Trump campaign event stating "Trump said X. It's going to kill you because Y." i.e. written in the short, made so the evening news anchor can read it as "The Biden camp released a response saying Trump's plan will kill you because drinking bleach is deadly. And in sports..."

I wish he were more visible, but, I'm not running his campaign, so we'll just have to wait to see if his plan works out.


It's the same problem as 2016.  No coverage of the same rally, lots of coverage of the insanity.

I wish we had learned our lesson.
 
2020-09-25 11:44:23 AM  
On the one hand we have the guy feelings of a bunch of people wringing their hands that Biden isn't running his campaign the way they might be more used to during an unprecedented election year with a global pandemic being mismanaged into an American catastrophe alongside growing national unrest over police brutality and systemic racism.

On the other hand we have polling data that shows healthy Biden leads in virtually every potential battleground state.

Idk, obviously if Biden loses the finger pointing will eclipse 2016 Hillary campaign levels and the knives will be out. That being said I think the Biden team is essentially playing a clock management game because they ran up the score so quickly at the start of the year or really the trump campaign fumbled so frequently and so badly that they haven't been competitive since April. I'd love to see Biden run up the score, but after the past four years I really just want them to not fark it up, just win baby and then we can go back to squabbling in January. I'll look forward to the days when most of the Republican party has been deposed and replaced by a sane conservative party and I can go back to being a conservative leaning independent. Till then though we have to put sane people in power who aren't trying to turn the country into an theocratic serfdom so I'm stuck voting (D) for a while.
 
2020-09-25 11:44:31 AM  
Biden's Facebook ads are kind of funny cause no matter what the polls actually say, they always claim that he's behind by just a couple points in key states like Florida and Arizona. It's kind of smart really. Might scare some people into voting.
 
2020-09-25 11:45:33 AM  
The final stretch of a presidential campaign is typically

Dear article writer, this is not a typical year.  Maybe you're not aware of this?
Biden already has national name recognition.
Whatever he's doing is working.
Debates are coming.
 
2020-09-25 11:46:16 AM  
Anyone else read that last word as "giraffes"?

/no?
//OK, fine
///stupid long horses
 
2020-09-25 11:46:18 AM  
Trump is a troll - he craves attention - good or bad.  Not reacting and not paying attention will just result in him making crazier and crazier statements to try and get attention.  That increases the likelihood that undecideds, despite not having a brain, may vote for Biden.  Trump's insane ramblings may also help solidify Biden's hold on waivering voters.

Remember, don't argue with trolls, idiots or crazy people.  Trump is a trifecta of reasons for Biden to stay quiet.
 
2020-09-25 11:46:39 AM  
For the love of god, stop it with the concern articles.

Cut it the fark out.

Push for Biden.
 
2020-09-25 11:47:47 AM  

Target Builder: bdub77: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Thing is - Trump isn't making mistakes here. He's saying what his base wants to hear and what excites them to vote. He's making sure his message gets out, that he gets screen time, and that when he does he has a backdrop that looks "Presidential" - a big stage with flags all over for example.

What he's saying is horrible, and toxic to the Democratic base. But just because it's toxic to them doesn't mean they should assume it's losing him a single republican leaning voter.

They made that mistake in 2016.

Biden needs to get his message out, and needs to look like a President while doing it.


Don't mistake "Republican leaning" for "going to watch clips of a Biden convention and jumping ship.". If you're attending a Trump rally, or hell simply not laughing when you see the vids, you're a lost cause already.
 
2020-09-25 11:48:33 AM  

mathamagical: On the one hand we have the guy feelings of a bunch of people wringing their hands that Biden isn't running his campaign the way they might be more used to during an unprecedented election year with a global pandemic being mismanaged into an American catastrophe alongside growing national unrest over police brutality and systemic racism.

On the other hand we have polling data that shows healthy Biden leads in virtually every potential battleground state.

Idk, obviously if Biden loses the finger pointing will eclipse 2016 Hillary campaign levels and the knives will be out. That being said I think the Biden team is essentially playing a clock management game because they ran up the score so quickly at the start of the year or really the trump campaign fumbled so frequently and so badly that they haven't been competitive since April. I'd love to see Biden run up the score, but after the past four years I really just want them to not fark it up, just win baby and then we can go back to squabbling in January. I'll look forward to the days when most of the Republican party has been deposed and replaced by a sane conservative party and I can go back to being a conservative leaning independent. Till then though we have to put sane people in power who aren't trying to turn the country into an theocratic serfdom so I'm stuck voting (D) for a while.


The Biden campaign has been very cautious in its spending despite its cash advantage.

Not taking 2016 blue states for granted and not going crazy in spending in the "reach" states (TX, GA, etc).
 
2020-09-25 11:49:52 AM  
Haven't seen Biden lately. Did he wander off again?
 
2020-09-25 11:50:45 AM  

mathamagical: On the one hand we have the guy feelings of a bunch of people wringing their hands that Biden isn't running his campaign the way they might be more used to during an unprecedented election year with a global pandemic being mismanaged into an American catastrophe alongside growing national unrest over police brutality and systemic racism.

On the other hand we have polling data that shows healthy Biden leads in virtually every potential battleground state.

Idk, obviously if Biden loses the finger pointing will eclipse 2016 Hillary campaign levels and the knives will be out. That being said I think the Biden team is essentially playing a clock management game because they ran up the score so quickly at the start of the year or really the trump campaign fumbled so frequently and so badly that they haven't been competitive since April. I'd love to see Biden run up the score, but after the past four years I really just want them to not fark it up, just win baby and then we can go back to squabbling in January. I'll look forward to the days when most of the Republican party has been deposed and replaced by a sane conservative party and I can go back to being a conservative leaning independent. Till then though we have to put sane people in power who aren't trying to turn the country into an theocratic serfdom so I'm stuck voting (D) for a while.


I don't believe one word of your post, as you stated you are just biding time to be able to vote R in the future. This shows me you're not sincere. Anyone who is willing to vote R in the future, has not learned the lesson that Rs are never to be trusted now, or in the future.
 
2020-09-25 11:50:46 AM  
A metric farkton of concern and maybe a valid point or two raised. But his focus is in the states that voted for Obama and Hillary lost is the right play.

Keep it low key, keep it personal. That's where Biden is at his best.
 
2020-09-25 11:51:00 AM  

quiotu: Target Builder: bdub77: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Thing is - Trump isn't making mistakes here. He's saying what his base wants to hear and what excites them to vote. He's making sure his message gets out, that he gets screen time, and that when he does he has a backdrop that looks "Presidential" - a big stage with flags all over for example.

What he's saying is horrible, and toxic to the Democratic base. But just because it's toxic to them doesn't mean they should assume it's losing him a single republican leaning voter.

They made that mistake in 2016.

Biden needs to get his message out, and needs to look like a President while doing it.

That's what the debates are for.


That's one part of it.

2016 showed it's possible to run a media Denial of Service attack on your opponent's campaign.

Make the news cycle the Trump Show the week before each debate and then follow up the next morning with something new to suck up oxygen in the election coverage. Trump and Biden's debate exposure to get their message out is about equal, bookended by days of only Trump's messaging.
 
2020-09-25 11:52:28 AM  

Mentat: Is there anything that doesn't worry Democrats?


Browsing this thread, it's weird to see Poltab Farkers not worried about something.
 
2020-09-25 11:52:39 AM  

bloobeary: Biden is ahead nationally by ten points.

Whatever he's doing is working.

Unrustle your jimmies.


Means nothing. State polls are more accurate. Plus vote
 
2020-09-25 11:54:11 AM  

suebhoney: mathamagical: On the one hand we have the guy feelings of a bunch of people wringing their hands that Biden isn't running his campaign the way they might be more used to during an unprecedented election year with a global pandemic being mismanaged into an American catastrophe alongside growing national unrest over police brutality and systemic racism.

On the other hand we have polling data that shows healthy Biden leads in virtually every potential battleground state.

Idk, obviously if Biden loses the finger pointing will eclipse 2016 Hillary campaign levels and the knives will be out. That being said I think the Biden team is essentially playing a clock management game because they ran up the score so quickly at the start of the year or really the trump campaign fumbled so frequently and so badly that they haven't been competitive since April. I'd love to see Biden run up the score, but after the past four years I really just want them to not fark it up, just win baby and then we can go back to squabbling in January. I'll look forward to the days when most of the Republican party has been deposed and replaced by a sane conservative party and I can go back to being a conservative leaning independent. Till then though we have to put sane people in power who aren't trying to turn the country into an theocratic serfdom so I'm stuck voting (D) for a while.

I don't believe one word of your post, as you stated you are just biding time to be able to vote R in the future. This shows me you're not sincere. Anyone who is willing to vote R in the future, has not learned the lesson that Rs are never to be trusted now, or in the future.


That's your new Democratic base.
 
2020-09-25 11:54:14 AM  
I disagree. Keep doing what you are doing and save your energy for the debates.
 
2020-09-25 11:55:38 AM  
Biden has a lead like we haven't seen in decades.
Plus, it's the debates that will put the election to bed.
Trump has trouble fielding softballs from Fox these days. And Biden won't let Trump get away with his antics like Hillary did.
Then Kamala will make Pence look like the child he is....
 
2020-09-25 11:55:40 AM  

whidbey: For the love of god, stop it with the concern articles.

Cut it the fark out.

Push for Biden.


Don't worry, Biden will just coast to a victory, just like Hillary did, right?

/What do you want instead of "concern articles"?
 
2020-09-25 11:55:56 AM  

mathamagical: On the one hand we have the guy feelings of a bunch of people wringing their hands that Biden isn't running his campaign the way they might be more used to during an unprecedented election year with a global pandemic being mismanaged into an American catastrophe alongside growing national unrest over police brutality and systemic racism.

On the other hand we have polling data that shows healthy Biden leads in virtually every potential battleground state.

Idk, obviously if Biden loses the finger pointing will eclipse 2016 Hillary campaign levels and the knives will be out. That being said I think the Biden team is essentially playing a clock management game because they ran up the score so quickly at the start of the year or really the trump campaign fumbled so frequently and so badly that they haven't been competitive since April. I'd love to see Biden run up the score, but after the past four years I really just want them to not fark it up, just win baby and then we can go back to squabbling in January. I'll look forward to the days when most of the Republican party has been deposed and replaced by a sane conservative party and I can go back to being a conservative leaning independent. Till then though we have to put sane people in power who aren't trying to turn the country into an theocratic serfdom so I'm stuck voting (D) for a while.


Looking at how relatively stable the polling is, I don't know how Biden can run up the score any more than the lead he has.

Barring major and surprising events, everyone seems pretty entrenched.

I think he could do some work on  certain voter groups which could help bolster a win, like florida latino voters.

Beyond that, I think Biden is running a campaign on his terms and not on Trump's, which I really really like.

Trump wants mud wrestling, Biden is having none of it.  He seems to know how to deal with a bully, and I hope we see that reinforced in the debates.
 
2020-09-25 11:56:03 AM  

bloobeary: Biden is ahead nationally by ten points.
Whatever he's doing is working.
Unrustle your jimmies.


It is almost like we have guidance that says limit in person gatherings and travel, and the Presidential nominee is doing exactly that.
For fork's sake.
 
2020-09-25 11:56:34 AM  

Erebus1954: Haven't seen Biden lately. Did he wander off again?


fark, I love watching you flail.
 
2020-09-25 11:58:16 AM  

Target Builder: Thing is - Trump isn't making mistakes here. He's saying what his base wants to hear and what excites them to vote. He's making sure his message gets out, that he gets screen time, and that when he does he has a backdrop that looks "Presidential" - a big stage with flags all over for example.


This is, without a doubt, a mistake. Trump is not going to win the white house with 42% of the vote. Making no appeals to Independent voters, whom he is losing 2:1, is the single greatest mistake of his campaign.
 
2020-09-25 11:59:34 AM  

JokerMattly: Target Builder: Thing is - Trump isn't making mistakes here. He's saying what his base wants to hear and what excites them to vote. He's making sure his message gets out, that he gets screen time, and that when he does he has a backdrop that looks "Presidential" - a big stage with flags all over for example.

This is, without a doubt, a mistake. Trump is not going to win the white house with 42% of the vote. Making no appeals to Independent voters, whom he is losing 2:1, is the single greatest mistake of his campaign.


I was told his polarizing attitude was a good thing by Republican pundits for years.
 
2020-09-25 11:59:36 AM  

phoenix352: Opacity: I regularly look for Biden press conferences or announcements, but pretty much only ever come up with short press releases regarding the most recent Trump campaign event stating "Trump said X. It's going to kill you because Y." i.e. written in the short, made so the evening news anchor can read it as "The Biden camp released a response saying Trump's plan will kill you because drinking bleach is deadly. And in sports..."

I wish he were more visible, but, I'm not running his campaign, so we'll just have to wait to see if his plan works out.

It's the same problem as 2016. No coverage of the same rally, lots of coverage of the insanity.

I wish we had learned our lesson.


No, it isn't. In 2016 Hillary and Trump were both out stumping the campaign trail. Now Trump is the only one out stumping the campaign trail. Take a look at JoeBiden.com - there's terse press releases every day. No schedule of where he's going to be. No videos. No press conferences. Like I said in my original comment, I wish Biden was more visible, but I'm going to the proverbial horse's mouth and get squat. Sure the press gives Trump a lot of coverage, but that's because Trump gives them ample opportunity to cover him. It isn't the same problem as 2016 when the difference is an almost complete lack of opportunity to cover one candidate.
 
2020-09-25 12:00:08 PM  

Erebus1954: herp


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2020-09-25 12:00:14 PM  

Sophont: Relying on your opponent to drive your own turnout is still a very stupid tactic.
But otherwise someone might get inspired, and I'm told that is a VERY. BAD. THING.

"Not Trump" might win a blowout, but that's hardly an endorsement of Biden.
As ever, you need to give voters something to vote for.


Anyone who needs any reason other than to get Trump out of office isn't going to vote for anyone other than THEIR candidate anyway.
 
2020-09-25 12:00:37 PM  

bdub77: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.


DRINK!

Sophont: Relying on your opponent to drive your own turnout is still a very stupid tactic.
But otherwise someone might get inspired, and I'm told that is a VERY. BAD. THING.

"Not Trump" might win a blowout, but that's hardly an endorsement of Biden.
As ever, you need to give voters something to vote for.


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misanthropicsob: suebhoney: mathamagical: On the one hand we have the guy feelings of a bunch of people wringing their hands that Biden isn't running his campaign the way they might be more used to during an unprecedented election year with a global pandemic being mismanaged into an American catastrophe alongside growing national unrest over police brutality and systemic racism.

On the other hand we have polling data that shows healthy Biden leads in virtually every potential battleground state.

Idk, obviously if Biden loses the finger pointing will eclipse 2016 Hillary campaign levels and the knives will be out. That being said I think the Biden team is essentially playing a clock management game because they ran up the score so quickly at the start of the year or really the trump campaign fumbled so frequently and so badly that they haven't been competitive since April. I'd love to see Biden run up the score, but after the past four years I really just want them to not fark it up, just win baby and then we can go back to squabbling in January. I'll look forward to the days when most of the Republican party has been deposed and replaced by a sane conservative party and I can go back to being a conservative leaning independent. Till then though we have to put sane people in power who aren't trying to turn the country into an theocratic serfdom so I'm stuck voting (D) for a while.

I don't believe one word of your post, as you stated you are just biding time to be able to vote R in the future. This shows me you're not sincere. Anyone who is willing to vote R in the future, has not learned the lesson that Rs are never to be trusted now, or in the future.

That's your new Democratic base.


"Moderate" = "Temporarily-embarrassed conservative".
 
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