Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Fox 43 Pennsylvania)   Who saw this coming? More than 250,000 saws sold at Lowe's recalled due to staying on after you turn them off   (fox43.com) divider line
    More: Scary  
•       •       •

3199 clicks; posted to Main » on 25 Sep 2020 at 8:50 AM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

 
2020-09-25 9:11:48 AM  
14 votes:

TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.


That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.
 
2020-09-25 8:43:53 AM  
10 votes:
that is not a saw.
Saws are Orange or Green.
 
2020-09-25 9:01:41 AM  
9 votes:
Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.
 
2020-09-25 9:09:59 AM  
7 votes:

TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.


They are great for light yardwork. Don't have to get out the real saw and put the cycles on it, don't have one more small engine laying around to tinker with, they are cheap enough where you can buy say an 8 and 12 inch bar electric for the cost of one quality gas one, so you have the right sized saw for what you are up to, and they are relatively quiet.

But yeah, they are usueless if you are dealing with a real sized tree. So you keep a 20" gas for stuff like storm sand shiat like that, and then these for just every day yard stuff.

There is conflicting info out there with how well safety chaps deal with them, but the thought seems to be good quality chaps will still protect you in common situations. Also they are brutal on your batteries overall life if you abuse them, so i keep a separate set of batteries for those vs my normal tools.
 
2020-09-25 9:05:44 AM  
7 votes:

TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.


Lowe's probably uses the same Chinese manufacturer as Harbor Freight. But the difference is, with HF, not turning off is a feature.
 
2020-09-25 8:58:04 AM  
7 votes:

BafflerMeal: Great. Now we're not going to have enough to fight Corona Zombies.


Not having to hold the trigger down while you slash through those zombie hordes might be a feature, not a bug, actually.

Dumb trivia I remember: they removed the clutch in chainsaw they used in Texas Chainsaw Massacre so the chain would spin at idle.
 
2020-09-25 9:12:23 AM  
6 votes:

TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.


I use my small (2000w) generator to run my electric saw even when we do have power. It's easier and safer than using a long extension cord.
 
2020-09-25 10:10:38 AM  
5 votes:

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


I was happy with the Kobalt utility knife I bought, but then it's hard to screw up a utility knife.

/If it has to be powered, I'll take DeWalt
 
2020-09-25 9:26:52 AM  
5 votes:

max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.


In the last couple years, battery technology has improved to where that's actually feasible. 2 or 3 years ago, you'd pay like $500 for a 40v push mower with a piddling battery that lasted 20 minutes or so between charges and barely had enough power to mow grass that had only gone a week since the last mow. Now, $350 gets you an 80v self-propelled mower with plenty of power that will go at least an hour before needing recharged. Still a bit more than the gas powered equivalent, but no need to screw around with engine maintenance, transporting and storing fuel, remembering to either empty the gas tank or add fuel stabilizer to it in the fall, etc.
 
2020-09-25 9:20:01 AM  
4 votes:

Famous Thamas: We are trying the same transition, I friggin hate maintaining small engines.  The one thing I haven't found is a good battery powered mower.  The last one I tried kept overheating when mowing on a 90 degree day.


The tech is just about there on the mowers, but the good ones still cost 2-3x the cost of a decent gas one. The sunjoe\etc ones are junk, and you will end up replacing your batteries every year.

My neighbor got one of the new Stihl battery mowers this year and he loves it. He gets about 20 minutes out of a battery if what he is mowing isn't out of control.

The problem is, mower+battery+spare battery was like 750 bucks.
 
2020-09-25 9:14:54 AM  
4 votes:

max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.


We are trying the same transition, I friggin hate maintaining small engines.  The one thing I haven't found is a good battery powered mower.  The last one I tried kept overheating when mowing on a 90 degree day.
 
2020-09-25 9:34:10 AM  
3 votes:
How Tools Got Their Names
Youtube eZFWDh8ZjFw
 
2020-09-25 8:53:57 AM  
3 votes:
Great. Now we're not going to have enough to fight Corona Zombies.
 
2020-09-25 11:41:12 AM  
2 votes:

electricjebus: I used to be a carpenter like 20 years ago.  When it comes to power tools, if you're just using it for the occasional DIY project here and there, go ahead and buy the cheap brands *Ryobi, Milwaukee etc...*, if you're using it to make a living, and/or for side jobs, pay the extra money for the name brands *DeWalt, Bosch etc...*, never buy the house brand.

Even Craftsman, which was a house brand and the name brand for all sorts of hand tools, put their logo on absolute garbage power tools.


Milwaukee isn't on the "cheap" end of the spectrum in either price or quality.

/carpenter
//DeWalt whore
 
2020-09-25 9:17:45 AM  
2 votes:
I've always been partial to Milwaukee and Makita, and now that I've said that, they'll all start breaking
 
2020-09-25 9:13:35 AM  
2 votes:

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


Their hand tools aren't terrible for the price, i'd put them into the irwin category on most things, and a notch above bargain stuff, and the HDX line. Their electric stuff is pretty rinkydink though.

They are sort of like craftsman in that the label doesn't mean much. There is great quality stuff with the name on it (yes, even still today), and junk.

Which is funny, because craftsman has probably displaced about 80% of the kobalt lines at the lowes by me.
 
2020-09-25 1:56:32 PM  
1 vote:

LineNoise: robodog: The Craftsmen brushless stuff is ok, a step up from something like entry level Ryobi. The problem is like every Stanley tool the batteries are stupid expensive and I have no idea how committed they are to the form factor, Ryobi has kept the One+ battery system compatible for nearly 20 years (dating back to NiCad!) and Home Depot is much healthier than Lowes (though I believe the new Craftsmen has some distribution outside Lowes so SBD might keep the platform alive even without them, maybe). Personally if I was getting in right now it would be Ryobi or Bauer unless you're in some oddball place where there's a Lowes that is convenient but not a Home Depot or Harbor Freight.

I'm milwaukee myslef. M18 line. They have both brushed and brushless in it, so for the stuff you don't really care about brushless for, you can save some coin. That battery system has been around for a long time and isn't going anywhere, there are like, a dozen differet types you can buy, and you can get bare tool off the shelf of most things at HD if you are in a pinch. They also have like any tool you can think of in the line.

I've abushed the living hell out of some of mine, and they refuse to quit.

Plus the charger supports the 12 line so if you do mix in a few of those, you can use the same charger. I really don't know why anyone goes for the 12 though. They have good specs, but they are only a tiny bit cheaper and not much lighter\smaller compared to something on the 18 line with the compact battery.


I bought in to Milwaukee as well after seeing how the tools hold up at work (powerplants). The guys weren't especially abusive, but weren't especially gentle, and they held up for years. There are some M12 tools that aren't available in M18, like the "dremel", the pvc cutter and the copper cutter. Have the brushless drill, driver, sawzall, multi/oscilating tool, hedge trimmer, blower, weed whacker. Love them all and they work well.

The sawzall worked almost as well as my neighbors chainsaw. I helped when he lost a tree, and it cut all but the bottom part of the trunk, but that was because the neighbor had a chainsaw. No problem cutting sections with a width greater than the 10 inch pruning blade. Tree was ~35 feet tall and ~18 inches at the base. Yes a chainsaw would be better suited, but didn't have one and unless you are a lumberjack or own an orchard the sawzall works just fine for the once every 15 year treefall.

The only issue I've run into is the batteries. The 3 x 5AH batteries I have work great. The 9AH and the 12AH batteries are a bit more maintenance. I have to manually balance charge the cell strings every couple months. Some of the cell strings would only get to ~3.7v on the factory charger, and not the 4.2v they should. This results in the low cells hitting the low-voltage cutout and the tool only operating for 1/3 of the normal time. I've rigged up my own balance charger, but most folks couldn't and no one should have to anyway. But my research says that Milwaukee uses quality lithium ion cells from Samsung, so I don't know why I'm having the issues I am.

That said, I'm still a fan and look forward to when the wife asks what the next tool for Xmas is.

As a side note, Milwaukee is made by Techtronic Industries (TTI) which is based in Hong Kong, so Milwaukee is Chinese as well. TTI also makes the cordless tools for Rigid and Ryobi. Stanley Black & Decker is based in Connecticut and makes Craftsman, Irwin, and DeWalt.

/csb

I get hired out of college and by a new truck, a Tacoma. A couple of old guys at work gave me crap about buying a foreign/non US/'Mircan vehicle. They got a little flustered when I pointed out that my Tacoma was made in California while their Fords and Chevys (unless they were trucks) were most likely built in Mexico or Canada, so my Japanese Tacoma was more 'Mircan than their Ford. And their commercials aren't lying about being made in America. Canada and Mexico are a part of North America.

/csb

/American components
//Russian components
///All made in Taiwan
 
2020-09-25 12:55:57 PM  
1 vote:

Billy Bathsalt: I like to economize, but not on auto parts or chainsaws.  Chainsaws are by far more dangerous than other power saws due to the conditions where they're used, in the field on trees rather than on dimensional lumber.   You want a saw that brakes reliably when it kicks back.


The only answer then is a Stihl.....

The Rancher line from Husq is the next best bet if you need to save a 1 or 200 bucks.

But if there is literally one tool that i know i won't use frequently, but when i need it, there is a good chance its an emergency, its a chainsaw, and its worth the extra dough.
 
2020-09-25 12:49:32 PM  
1 vote:
electricjebus:
/Glad to hear DeWalt is still good, we were worried at the time as they had just gotten bought out by Black & Decker.

The problem is DeWalt slaps their name on a lot of crap because the yellow and black case sells.They still make good stuff on the higher end, but you really need to pay attention to model numbers and stuff when you buy, even within the same line and with the same name on the box.

Milwaukee does the same on some stuff hand tool wise, but at least have left their power tools alone.

You can go to walmart and buy a DeWalt drill for 50 bucks that is nothing but a $30 repainted B&D with a case.

My other peve is that dewalt brands their stuff as 20v......when its 20v peak.....the same thing that every other decent manufacture's 18v line is.
 
2020-09-25 12:22:59 PM  
1 vote:

TheGreatGazoo: Greek: max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.

In the last couple years, battery technology has improved to where that's actually feasible. 2 or 3 years ago, you'd pay like $500 for a 40v push mower with a piddling battery that lasted 20 minutes or so between charges and barely had enough power to mow grass that had only gone a week since the last mow. Now, $350 gets you an 80v self-propelled mower with plenty of power that will go at least an hour before needing recharged. Still a bit more than the gas powered equivalent, but no need to screw around with engine maintenance, transporting and storing fuel, remembering to either empty the gas tank or add fuel stabilizer to it in the fall, etc.

I have an Echo trimmer, edger, leaf blower, and chainsaw that are all over 20 years old and a hedge trimmer over 10 years old and they all start within 4 pulls.  I use TruFuel or an equivalent and don't have to worry about it going bad or the ethanol destroying seals.  For $15-$20, I can get a carburetor, fuel lines, spark plug, air filter, and a bunch of other knick knacks from eBay.  I go through mowers about every 7 years, but zoysia and lots of tree roots will do that.

How long do the battery packs last?  3-5 years?  And they are what, $80+ each to replace until they are deemed obsolete and you can't get new ones?

I have a plug in electric pole saw and an alligator lopper.


I never said they were for everyone. As a mechanic, I also maintain and repair my equipment, so it lasts a long time. Not everyone has the skills or desire to do that. And battery powered equipment still has a long way to go before it's ready for commercial use. However, battery obsolescence isn't a big issue, since if the OEM discontinues a battery type, someone else will still make them. As for how long the batteries last, well, it depends on how you store and use them, but 3-5 years isn't far off. But if you're using TruFuel, you're almost certainly spending more on fuel in that time than someone who uses battery powered equipment will spend on batteries.

Personally, I have an ancient push mower that I grabbed from a scrap pile when I bought my house 13 years ago. Cleaned and rebuilt the carb, changed the spark plug, sharpened the blade, and I'm still using it today. I also have a Ryobi 18v trimmer and blower that I bought at the same time. My yard is small enough that gas powered would have been ridiculous. A large part of why I chose the Ryobi stuff (all my power tools are from them as well) is because they've used the same battery platform for years and years, and at the time, were switching to lithium, but they made the batteries backwards compatible with the old tools, and the new tools backwards compatible with the old batteries. Now, that trimmer and blower would be a joke if I didn't live in the city with a small yard. At the same time, the modern stuff is more than adequate for a suburban yard, and to the average person who (wastefully) replaces their gas powered tools when they break down instead of getting them fixed, it's actually far more cost effective.
Of course, that also means people like me won't find easily repaired equipment that people are getting rid of...
 
2020-09-25 12:00:43 PM  
1 vote:

The Third Man: Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.

I was happy with the Kobalt utility knife I bought, but then it's hard to screw up a utility knife.

/If it has to be powered, I'll take DeWalt


Now that I can afford it I buy Dewalt every time.  I have yet to be disappointed.
 
2020-09-25 11:33:54 AM  
1 vote:
I used to be a carpenter like 20 years ago.  When it comes to power tools, if you're just using it for the occasional DIY project here and there, go ahead and buy the cheap brands *Ryobi, Milwaukee etc...*, if you're using it to make a living, and/or for side jobs, pay the extra money for the name brands *DeWalt, Bosch etc...*, never buy the house brand.

Even Craftsman, which was a house brand and the name brand for all sorts of hand tools, put their logo on absolute garbage power tools.
 
2020-09-25 10:25:58 AM  
1 vote:
My daughter bought the house next door this spring and likes to do the lawn and garden work. I had all the usual outdoor equipment like a chainsaw, blower, trimmer, snow blower, and a lawn mower. She and her husband have no experience with gas powered equipment and my stuff was getting old and often needed work to get it started.

I began replacing all of it with battery powered stuff. The new tools work pretty well. I can't take down a tree, but the electric chain saw does pretty well with brush and small growth. I got a small battery powered walk behind lawn mower for the grass at the cottage and it takes about 2 battery charges to get it cut. (pro tip: buy two batteries and charge one while using the other to mow or take the battery from another tool)

None of the battery powered tools can outperform the gas powered versions, but they really stop the "Dad, the trimmer won't start" stuff. It helps to stick with one brand because the batteries are interchangeable.

The one thing I haven't replaced yet is the rear engine Ariens lawn mower. It needed a new battery this spring and when I looked at the instruction book I found the original receipt. It's 25 years old and is still going strong. Change the oil often, lube up the parts and keep it going.
 
2020-09-25 10:21:32 AM  
1 vote:

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


Chinese Quality Tools

Honestly, how hard is it to make a tool that does what it's supposed to?  It's not like trigger switches are a new concept. Some bright light decided to engineer his own switch?
 
2020-09-25 10:11:44 AM  
1 vote:

Famous Thamas: max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.

We are trying the same transition, I friggin hate maintaining small engines.  The one thing I haven't found is a good battery powered mower.  The last one I tried kept overheating when mowing on a 90 degree day.


I've got a Ryobi that works well in Texas 100 degree heat. I usually mow in the morning when it's cooler, but have used it in the afternoon with no problems.
 
2020-09-25 9:57:39 AM  
1 vote:

LineNoise: Which is funny, because craftsman has probably displaced about 80% of the kobalt lines at the lowes by me.


Some of the heavier Kobalt hand tools weren't too bad.  But Lowe's has stopped even supplying parts for those.

The "Craftsman" (NOT the same as the Sears brand) I've seen are all complete cr*p.
 
2020-09-25 9:41:04 AM  
1 vote:

OlderGuy: Waste of time and money...  Bosch 20v sawzall with the 'Ugly' blade... throw the blade away when it gets dull.  Also easy to use single handed...


ehh, if you are pruning something sure i guess, but now thats being rough on your sawzall (reciprocating please, Milwaukee owns that trademark and makes the better one). There are certain things that you can't do, safely, with a sazall  though that you can with a chain saw.

Also good luck getting a nice cut with say, a 12" blade.

I mean a sawzall really is a when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail approach, but there is a reason we have specific tools even when something else can sort of kind of do the job.
 
2020-09-25 9:30:37 AM  
1 vote:

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


I wouldn't buy the actual tools, but I have some folding sawhorses from Kobalt that were cheap and pretty sturdy, and their toolboxes were decent quality.
 
2020-09-25 8:59:50 AM  
1 vote:
250K+ saws sold at Lowe's recalled, might not turn off

Fark user imageView Full Size


oh no!  i can't find the off switch!
 
Displayed 29 of 29 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking





On Twitter



  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.