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2020-09-25 8:43:53 AM  
that is not a saw.
Saws are Orange or Green.
 
2020-09-25 8:48:11 AM  
That is why I prefer Home Depot.
 
2020-09-25 8:53:57 AM  
Great. Now we're not going to have enough to fight Corona Zombies.
 
2020-09-25 8:58:04 AM  

BafflerMeal: Great. Now we're not going to have enough to fight Corona Zombies.


Not having to hold the trigger down while you slash through those zombie hordes might be a feature, not a bug, actually.

Dumb trivia I remember: they removed the clutch in chainsaw they used in Texas Chainsaw Massacre so the chain would spin at idle.
 
2020-09-25 8:59:50 AM  
250K+ saws sold at Lowe's recalled, might not turn off

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oh no!  i can't find the off switch!
 
2020-09-25 9:01:36 AM  
There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.
 
2020-09-25 9:01:41 AM  
Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.
 
2020-09-25 9:05:44 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.


Lowe's probably uses the same Chinese manufacturer as Harbor Freight. But the difference is, with HF, not turning off is a feature.
 
2020-09-25 9:07:04 AM  

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


Im sure HongKong Sunrise Trading warranties are as rock solid as the name they don't stand behind.
 
2020-09-25 9:09:59 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.


They are great for light yardwork. Don't have to get out the real saw and put the cycles on it, don't have one more small engine laying around to tinker with, they are cheap enough where you can buy say an 8 and 12 inch bar electric for the cost of one quality gas one, so you have the right sized saw for what you are up to, and they are relatively quiet.

But yeah, they are usueless if you are dealing with a real sized tree. So you keep a 20" gas for stuff like storm sand shiat like that, and then these for just every day yard stuff.

There is conflicting info out there with how well safety chaps deal with them, but the thought seems to be good quality chaps will still protect you in common situations. Also they are brutal on your batteries overall life if you abuse them, so i keep a separate set of batteries for those vs my normal tools.
 
2020-09-25 9:11:48 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.


That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.
 
2020-09-25 9:12:23 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.


I use my small (2000w) generator to run my electric saw even when we do have power. It's easier and safer than using a long extension cord.
 
2020-09-25 9:13:35 AM  

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


Their hand tools aren't terrible for the price, i'd put them into the irwin category on most things, and a notch above bargain stuff, and the HDX line. Their electric stuff is pretty rinkydink though.

They are sort of like craftsman in that the label doesn't mean much. There is great quality stuff with the name on it (yes, even still today), and junk.

Which is funny, because craftsman has probably displaced about 80% of the kobalt lines at the lowes by me.
 
2020-09-25 9:14:44 AM  
Do you know what they do in China to people who complain about their saws eagerness to keep working?
 
2020-09-25 9:14:54 AM  

max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.


We are trying the same transition, I friggin hate maintaining small engines.  The one thing I haven't found is a good battery powered mower.  The last one I tried kept overheating when mowing on a 90 degree day.
 
2020-09-25 9:15:34 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: 250K+ saws sold at Lowe's recalled, might not turn off

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oh no!  i can't find the off switch!


I don't think I've used a saw like that since I was a kid and I could never get it to work right.
 
2020-09-25 9:17:24 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: 250K+ saws sold at Lowe's recalled, might not turn off

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oh no!  i can't find the off switch!


I totally read this in the Thor mocking the Hulk/Banner voice and it was 100x better.

And I have a microwave with this problem if you close the door too hard. Damn amazon featured items...
 
2020-09-25 9:17:45 AM  
I've always been partial to Milwaukee and Makita, and now that I've said that, they'll all start breaking
 
2020-09-25 9:20:01 AM  

Famous Thamas: We are trying the same transition, I friggin hate maintaining small engines.  The one thing I haven't found is a good battery powered mower.  The last one I tried kept overheating when mowing on a 90 degree day.


The tech is just about there on the mowers, but the good ones still cost 2-3x the cost of a decent gas one. The sunjoe\etc ones are junk, and you will end up replacing your batteries every year.

My neighbor got one of the new Stihl battery mowers this year and he loves it. He gets about 20 minutes out of a battery if what he is mowing isn't out of control.

The problem is, mower+battery+spare battery was like 750 bucks.
 
2020-09-25 9:20:42 AM  
John Kramer approved.
 
2020-09-25 9:26:52 AM  

max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.


In the last couple years, battery technology has improved to where that's actually feasible. 2 or 3 years ago, you'd pay like $500 for a 40v push mower with a piddling battery that lasted 20 minutes or so between charges and barely had enough power to mow grass that had only gone a week since the last mow. Now, $350 gets you an 80v self-propelled mower with plenty of power that will go at least an hour before needing recharged. Still a bit more than the gas powered equivalent, but no need to screw around with engine maintenance, transporting and storing fuel, remembering to either empty the gas tank or add fuel stabilizer to it in the fall, etc.
 
2020-09-25 9:27:08 AM  

LineNoise: Famous Thamas: We are trying the same transition, I friggin hate maintaining small engines.  The one thing I haven't found is a good battery powered mower.  The last one I tried kept overheating when mowing on a 90 degree day.

The tech is just about there on the mowers, but the good ones still cost 2-3x the cost of a decent gas one. The sunjoe\etc ones are junk, and you will end up replacing your batteries every year.

My neighbor got one of the new Stihl battery mowers this year and he loves it. He gets about 20 minutes out of a battery if what he is mowing isn't out of control.

The problem is, mower+battery+spare battery was like 750 bucks.


The Ego (Chinese-owned brand sold at HD and Lowes) mowers still aren't meant for typical small patches of grass. At least in our experience.
 
2020-09-25 9:28:24 AM  
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2020-09-25 9:30:37 AM  

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


I wouldn't buy the actual tools, but I have some folding sawhorses from Kobalt that were cheap and pretty sturdy, and their toolboxes were decent quality.
 
2020-09-25 9:33:43 AM  

LineNoise: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

They are great for light yardwork. Don't have to get out the real saw and put the cycles on it, don't have one more small engine laying around to tinker with, they are cheap enough where you can buy say an 8 and 12 inch bar electric for the cost of one quality gas one, so you have the right sized saw for what you are up to, and they are relatively quiet.

But yeah, they are usueless if you are dealing with a real sized tree. So you keep a 20" gas for stuff like storm sand shiat like that, and then these for just every day yard stuff.

There is conflicting info out there with how well safety chaps deal with them, but the thought seems to be good quality chaps will still protect you in common situations. Also they are brutal on your batteries overall life if you abuse them, so i keep a separate set of batteries for those vs my normal tools.


Waste of time and money...  Bosch 20v sawzall with the 'Ugly' blade... throw the blade away when it gets dull.  Also easy to use single handed...
 
2020-09-25 9:34:10 AM  
How Tools Got Their Names
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2020-09-25 9:41:04 AM  

BafflerMeal: [YouTube video: How Tools Got Their Names]


Hey Ryan George just posted a funny video about too---

goddammitsomuch!
 
2020-09-25 9:41:04 AM  

OlderGuy: Waste of time and money...  Bosch 20v sawzall with the 'Ugly' blade... throw the blade away when it gets dull.  Also easy to use single handed...


ehh, if you are pruning something sure i guess, but now thats being rough on your sawzall (reciprocating please, Milwaukee owns that trademark and makes the better one). There are certain things that you can't do, safely, with a sazall  though that you can with a chain saw.

Also good luck getting a nice cut with say, a 12" blade.

I mean a sawzall really is a when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail approach, but there is a reason we have specific tools even when something else can sort of kind of do the job.
 
2020-09-25 9:42:23 AM  

cirby: I wouldn't buy the actual tools, but I have some folding sawhorses from Kobalt that were cheap and pretty sturdy, and their toolboxes were decent quality.


The blue metal adjustable ones? Those things are awesome. Every so often they pop up on sale for 50 bucks for a pair, and i'll grab another set.
 
2020-09-25 9:46:44 AM  

DesertCoyote: LineNoise: Famous Thamas: We are trying the same transition, I friggin hate maintaining small engines.  The one thing I haven't found is a good battery powered mower.  The last one I tried kept overheating when mowing on a 90 degree day.

The tech is just about there on the mowers, but the good ones still cost 2-3x the cost of a decent gas one. The sunjoe\etc ones are junk, and you will end up replacing your batteries every year.

My neighbor got one of the new Stihl battery mowers this year and he loves it. He gets about 20 minutes out of a battery if what he is mowing isn't out of control.

The problem is, mower+battery+spare battery was like 750 bucks.

The Ego (Chinese-owned brand sold at HD and Lowes) mowers still aren't meant for typical small patches of grass. At least in our experience.


We've got one, had it for a few years and it does well enough that we got the matching trimmer to save on battery types in the garage. Works fine if you can now your lawn in half an hour or less.

Only maintenance is sharpening the blades once a year. Unless I forget. Or don't feel like it.
 
2020-09-25 9:49:30 AM  
Oh so after the switch jams the saw is dangerous? Isn't that when you could get work done?
 
2020-09-25 9:50:11 AM  

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damn dude,, That made me cringe.
 
2020-09-25 9:51:37 AM  
Approves...

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2020-09-25 9:53:03 AM  

Amelia Earhart's Black Box: Oh so after the switch jams the saw is dangerous? Isn't that when you could get work done?


Indeed...

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2020-09-25 9:54:03 AM  
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This is the one I have but I only use it when I have to. I love the thing but it will wreck your world if you are not careful
 
2020-09-25 9:55:15 AM  

Greek: max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.

In the last couple years, battery technology has improved to where that's actually feasible. 2 or 3 years ago, you'd pay like $500 for a 40v push mower with a piddling battery that lasted 20 minutes or so between charges and barely had enough power to mow grass that had only gone a week since the last mow. Now, $350 gets you an 80v self-propelled mower with plenty of power that will go at least an hour before needing recharged. Still a bit more than the gas powered equivalent, but no need to screw around with engine maintenance, transporting and storing fuel, remembering to either empty the gas tank or add fuel stabilizer to it in the fall, etc.


I have an Echo trimmer, edger, leaf blower, and chainsaw that are all over 20 years old and a hedge trimmer over 10 years old and they all start within 4 pulls.  I use TruFuel or an equivalent and don't have to worry about it going bad or the ethanol destroying seals.  For $15-$20, I can get a carburetor, fuel lines, spark plug, air filter, and a bunch of other knick knacks from eBay.  I go through mowers about every 7 years, but zoysia and lots of tree roots will do that.

How long do the battery packs last?  3-5 years?  And they are what, $80+ each to replace until they are deemed obsolete and you can't get new ones?

I have a plug in electric pole saw and an alligator lopper.
 
2020-09-25 9:57:39 AM  

LineNoise: Which is funny, because craftsman has probably displaced about 80% of the kobalt lines at the lowes by me.


Some of the heavier Kobalt hand tools weren't too bad.  But Lowe's has stopped even supplying parts for those.

The "Craftsman" (NOT the same as the Sears brand) I've seen are all complete cr*p.
 
2020-09-25 10:03:57 AM  

Greek: max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.

In the last couple years, battery technology has improved to where that's actually feasible. 2 or 3 years ago, you'd pay like $500 for a 40v push mower with a piddling battery that lasted 20 minutes or so between charges and barely had enough power to mow grass that had only gone a week since the last mow. Now, $350 gets you an 80v self-propelled mower with plenty of power that will go at least an hour before needing recharged. Still a bit more than the gas powered equivalent, but no need to screw around with engine maintenance, transporting and storing fuel, remembering to either empty the gas tank or add fuel stabilizer to it in the fall, etc.



I just planted a crop in my front yard.  Corn.  Pissed off my neighbors, but we'll see who's laughing come harvest time.
 
2020-09-25 10:09:38 AM  

nobody11155: LineNoise: Which is funny, because craftsman has probably displaced about 80% of the kobalt lines at the lowes by me.

Some of the heavier Kobalt hand tools weren't too bad.  But Lowe's has stopped even supplying parts for those.

The "Craftsman" (NOT the same as the Sears brand) I've seen are all complete cr*p.


The Craftsmen brushless stuff is ok, a step up from something like entry level Ryobi. The problem is like every Stanley tool the batteries are stupid expensive and I have no idea how committed they are to the form factor, Ryobi has kept the One+ battery system compatible for nearly 20 years (dating back to NiCad!) and Home Depot is much healthier than Lowes (though I believe the new Craftsmen has some distribution outside Lowes so SBD might keep the platform alive even without them, maybe). Personally if I was getting in right now it would be Ryobi or Bauer unless you're in some oddball place where there's a Lowes that is convenient but not a Home Depot or Harbor Freight.
 
2020-09-25 10:10:38 AM  

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


I was happy with the Kobalt utility knife I bought, but then it's hard to screw up a utility knife.

/If it has to be powered, I'll take DeWalt
 
2020-09-25 10:11:44 AM  

Famous Thamas: max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.

We are trying the same transition, I friggin hate maintaining small engines.  The one thing I haven't found is a good battery powered mower.  The last one I tried kept overheating when mowing on a 90 degree day.


I've got a Ryobi that works well in Texas 100 degree heat. I usually mow in the morning when it's cooler, but have used it in the afternoon with no problems.
 
2020-09-25 10:21:32 AM  

Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.


Chinese Quality Tools

Honestly, how hard is it to make a tool that does what it's supposed to?  It's not like trigger switches are a new concept. Some bright light decided to engineer his own switch?
 
2020-09-25 10:21:35 AM  
Somewhere between the saw's main stored power source and the barrel load junction there is a quantum actuator gap that allows just enough electricity to pass through the MOSFET tension gate, which then inadvertently energizes the secondary in-line capacitors, which finally leads to a dangerous chain reaction.
 
2020-09-25 10:22:19 AM  

The Third Man: Michael J Faux: Anyone who has ever bought a Kobalt tool and has the ability to learn from their mistakes saw this coming.

I was happy with the Kobalt utility knife I bought, but then it's hard to screw up a utility knife.


Famous last words...
 
2020-09-25 10:25:58 AM  
My daughter bought the house next door this spring and likes to do the lawn and garden work. I had all the usual outdoor equipment like a chainsaw, blower, trimmer, snow blower, and a lawn mower. She and her husband have no experience with gas powered equipment and my stuff was getting old and often needed work to get it started.

I began replacing all of it with battery powered stuff. The new tools work pretty well. I can't take down a tree, but the electric chain saw does pretty well with brush and small growth. I got a small battery powered walk behind lawn mower for the grass at the cottage and it takes about 2 battery charges to get it cut. (pro tip: buy two batteries and charge one while using the other to mow or take the battery from another tool)

None of the battery powered tools can outperform the gas powered versions, but they really stop the "Dad, the trimmer won't start" stuff. It helps to stick with one brand because the batteries are interchangeable.

The one thing I haven't replaced yet is the rear engine Ariens lawn mower. It needed a new battery this spring and when I looked at the instruction book I found the original receipt. It's 25 years old and is still going strong. Change the oil often, lube up the parts and keep it going.
 
2020-09-25 10:30:39 AM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Somewhere between the saw's main stored power source and the barrel load junction there is a quantum actuator gap that allows just enough electricity to pass through the MOSFET tension gate, which then inadvertently energizes the secondary in-line capacitors, which finally leads to a dangerous chain reaction.


That sounds like a line from Star Trek, Episode 7.

And here I thought Scotty was dead, lo these many years.
 
2020-09-25 10:56:05 AM  
It's a Kobalt, you're lucky if it turns on at all.
 
2020-09-25 11:04:29 AM  
This is how the machine uprising start
 
2020-09-25 11:15:20 AM  

robodog: The Craftsmen brushless stuff is ok, a step up from something like entry level Ryobi. The problem is like every Stanley tool the batteries are stupid expensive and I have no idea how committed they are to the form factor, Ryobi has kept the One+ battery system compatible for nearly 20 years (dating back to NiCad!) and Home Depot is much healthier than Lowes (though I believe the new Craftsmen has some distribution outside Lowes so SBD might keep the platform alive even without them, maybe). Personally if I was getting in right now it would be Ryobi or Bauer unless you're in some oddball place where there's a Lowes that is convenient but not a Home Depot or Harbor Freight.


I'm milwaukee myslef. M18 line. They have both brushed and brushless in it, so for the stuff you don't really care about brushless for, you can save some coin. That battery system has been around for a long time and isn't going anywhere, there are like, a dozen differet types you can buy, and you can get bare tool off the shelf of most things at HD if you are in a pinch. They also have like any tool you can think of in the line.

I've abushed the living hell out of some of mine, and they refuse to quit.

Plus the charger supports the 12 line so if you do mix in a few of those, you can use the same charger. I really don't know why anyone goes for the 12 though. They have good specs, but they are only a tiny bit cheaper and not much lighter\smaller compared to something on the 18 line with the compact battery.
 
2020-09-25 11:17:15 AM  

max_pooper: TheGreatGazoo: There's that many electric chainsaws out there just from that brand?

The people who lived in my house before me had a plug in electric chainsaw.  It was a great idea until two trees came down across the driveway and power was out for a week.

That's why you have a generator. I have transitioned to all electric lawn equipment. Electric motors require no maintenance and can sit in the garage all winter completely forgotten about and they start right up in the spring. It's much easier to keep one small engine up and running than a half dozen+.


Convert your generator to propane for maximum ease of use and storage.

/this message brought to you by Hank Hill
//propane
///slashies
 
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