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vpb [TotalFark]
2020-09-25 8:47:30 AM  
Gen. Miley has already announced that the military won't help decide the election.

Not that that will stop the GOP from stealing it.
 
2020-09-25 9:05:38 AM  
The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.
 
2020-09-25 9:43:29 AM  

dionysusaur: The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.


Came to say this. Officers wouldn't let it happen by and large, and even the enlisteds would be split.  We already saw this when he tried to use the military to put down the DC protests.

The key is everyone needs to vote against him so it's undeniably obvious when he tries. Only then will we get to see him dragged out kicking and screaming.
 
2020-09-25 9:49:15 AM  

koder: dionysusaur: The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.

Came to say this. Officers wouldn't let it happen by and large, and even the enlisteds would be split.  We already saw this when he tried to use the military to put down the DC protests.

The key is everyone needs to vote against him so it's undeniably obvious when he tries. Only then will we get to see him dragged out kicking and screaming.


There's this thing called disobeying orders where the "enlisteds" get there sorry asses dragged to jail.   They'll quickly fall in line.
 
2020-09-25 10:22:53 AM  
A co-worker in the guard just got called up for "a potentially year long deployment" in Nogales. So, there's that. Which is totally fine and not even slightly terrifying.
 
2020-09-25 11:07:57 AM  
I wouldn't trust the military and you shouldn't, either.
 
2020-09-25 11:16:53 AM  

PaulRB: koder: dionysusaur: The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.

Came to say this. Officers wouldn't let it happen by and large, and even the enlisteds would be split.  We already saw this when he tried to use the military to put down the DC protests.

The key is everyone needs to vote against him so it's undeniably obvious when he tries. Only then will we get to see him dragged out kicking and screaming.

There's this thing called disobeying orders where the "enlisteds" get there sorry asses dragged to jail.   They'll quickly fall in line.


Legal orders....
 
2020-09-25 11:17:04 AM  
Usually in a banana republic the dictator keeps the military generals happy instead of constantly insulting them and service members.
 
2020-09-25 11:17:31 AM  
Ok you losers and suckers, I need your help now!
 
2020-09-25 11:18:12 AM  
As the CJCOS pointed out, the military takes an oath to the Constitution, not the President. They'll refuse any unlawful order.
 
2020-09-25 11:18:18 AM  
So the suckers and losers aren't keen on installing Dear Leader Dump to a lifetime appointment?

I wonder why?
 
2020-09-25 11:18:31 AM  
I think Gen Milley and Sec Esper would love to stick it to this administration.
 
2020-09-25 11:18:32 AM  
I will see it when I believe it.

Also, I expect that he will try to use domestic law enforcement first.
 
2020-09-25 11:18:55 AM  
Okay, so now let's hear from the people who he has hand picked to be his private army.

There's a reason he's cultivating connections with neo-confederates and white suprmacists
 
2020-09-25 11:19:05 AM  
Trump is not going to hide behind sandbags in the Oval Office and shout "I'M STILL PRESIDENT", this will be done the boring old-fashioned way: lawyers
 
2020-09-25 11:21:04 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Usually in a banana republic the dictator keeps the military generals happy instead of constantly insulting them and service members.


Trump doesn't need to do that yet as long as he can keep the election outcome in a vaguely plausible legal area with a court ruling in his favor.

If he pulls this off we're in the endgame and expect Trump to start rapidly coring out the military leadership to install pure loyalists to bring it under his personal control.
 
2020-09-25 11:22:47 AM  
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2020-09-25 11:24:12 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Trump is not going to hide behind sandbags in the Oval Office and shout "I'M STILL PRESIDENT", this will be done the boring old-fashioned way: lawyers


Correct.  Any challenge will somewhat resemble what happened in the year 2000.
 
2020-09-25 11:25:26 AM  
If Trump weren't so damn fat, it might be easier to shoot him out of a cannon too.
 
2020-09-25 11:25:46 AM  
This would be a good time to remind the grunts Trump turned a blind eye when Putin was paying people extra for their heads.
 
2020-09-25 11:25:55 AM  
Trump should tell them if they don't fall in line, he'll ask the Russians to double the bounty on their heads.  That will make them fall in line.
 
2020-09-25 11:26:14 AM  

Geotpf: ElwoodCuse: Trump is not going to hide behind sandbags in the Oval Office and shout "I'M STILL PRESIDENT", this will be done the boring old-fashioned way: lawyers

Correct.  Any challenge will somewhat resemble what happened in the year 2000.


Except on a multi-state scale and the courts (stacked with Trump appointees) will spend much less time deliberating before handing Trump a victory.
 
2020-09-25 11:26:54 AM  
Would it be called a coup if the military or national guard help remove Trump from the WH after the election?

I can imagine a face off between troops and DHS goons.
 
2020-09-25 11:27:19 AM  
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Really veterans?  You choose this guy over a democrat.  I see no reverence for military in this picture, I see a man who is the center of his own universe and thinks everyone is below him.
 
2020-09-25 11:27:21 AM  
If it gets to the point where Trump has clearly and officially lost, he'd done, and the military isn't going to override that.

Which is why he's doing everything possible to muddy the waters, get various state elections decided by legislatures, try to stop counts if he's winning, and have as protracted a court fight as possible: To make it so there isn't a clear winner.

The election farkery going on is designed the throw the result into ambiguity and subjectivity. Republican officials are never going to acknowledge that they're overriding the will of the people; they'll just babble on about "fraud" and "invalid ballots" and accuse Democrats of refusing to accept election results when they try to use the courts to stop said farkery.

And where it does get dicey is the question of what various militarized federal agencies are going to do in the event of civil unrest due to electoral Calvinball - if the constitutional situation is ambiguous but the orders are clear, I don't expect they'll refuse them.
 
2020-09-25 11:27:36 AM  

Curmudgeonly: As the CJCOS pointed out, the military takes an oath to the Constitution, not the President. They'll refuse any unlawful order.


Coworker called in months ago and asked his officer about this. He was told yes, you can. But you'll still go to jail. He's been stocking up on ammo for awhile now and teaching protestors how to diffuse tear gas. Tip 1. What is the first thing you do when someone lobs tear gas at you? Answer: Put on a glove. Cannisters are hot. 2. Don't throw it back, they are wearing masks. 3. Diffuse in bucket of water if possible. They are like candles. They snuff out.
 
2020-09-25 11:27:45 AM  
haha no

the military hates Trump for his disrespect and bone spurs

they will do the opposite, and help drag his sorry ass out
 
2020-09-25 11:28:25 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Usually in a banana republic the dictator keeps the military generals happy instead of constantly insulting them and service members.


Trump wants all the perks of running a banana republic, but everyone knows he's a lousy student who has never done his homework.
 
2020-09-25 11:29:37 AM  

Vhale: Curmudgeonly: As the CJCOS pointed out, the military takes an oath to the Constitution, not the President. They'll refuse any unlawful order.

Coworker called in months ago and asked his officer about this. He was told yes, you can. But you'll still go to jail. He's been stocking up on ammo for awhile now and teaching protestors how to diffuse tear gas. Tip 1. What is the first thing you do when someone lobs tear gas at you? Answer: Put on a glove. Cannisters are hot. 2. Don't throw it back, they are wearing masks. 3. Diffuse in bucket of water if possible. They are like candles. They snuff out.


Perhaps you should do that step before any tear gas is thrown, to reduce the time that the gas is active.

/Gloves and buckets soon banned as illegal riot propaganda.
 
2020-09-25 11:30:21 AM  

stuhayes2010: [Fark user image 850x443]


Really veterans?  You choose this guy over a democrat.  I see no reverence for military in this picture, I see a man who is the center of his own universe and thinks everyone is below him.


I see a Specialist in the front row wearing sunglasses that I don't think are regulation, and then three spots back I see a Soldier whose nose is out of their mask, which I'd expect is counter to current standing orders regarding mask use.

/veteran
 
2020-09-25 11:30:36 AM  
Anyone who thinks this is even a remote possibility has a serious case of TDS.  Trump wouldn't use our official military for this.

That's what Blackwater is for.
 
2020-09-25 11:31:59 AM  

davynelson: haha no

the military hates Trump for his disrespect and bone spurs

they will do the opposite, and help drag his sorry ass out


Do they?

I thought this shiat was over when he insulted McCain and the Khans.  They voted for him by a 2/3 margin.
 
2020-09-25 11:32:25 AM  

Dimensio: I will see it when I believe it.

Also, I expect that he will try to use domestic law enforcement first.


And the "mystery patrol" made up of PMCs that were floating around in June.
 
2020-09-25 11:32:48 AM  

thehobbes: PaulRB: koder: dionysusaur: The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.

Came to say this. Officers wouldn't let it happen by and large, and even the enlisteds would be split.  We already saw this when he tried to use the military to put down the DC protests.

The key is everyone needs to vote against him so it's undeniably obvious when he tries. Only then will we get to see him dragged out kicking and screaming.

There's this thing called disobeying orders where the "enlisteds" get there sorry asses dragged to jail.   They'll quickly fall in line.

Legal orders....


Legal is whatever your CO and his CO says is legal. You refuse an illegal order but the orders come from the top of the chain? You're still court martial. Of course they'll let you fry if you obey an illegal order that they get in trouble for. They'll throw your ass into jail to save theirs in a heartbeat.
 
2020-09-25 11:32:52 AM  

koder: dionysusaur: The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.

Came to say this. Officers wouldn't let it happen by and large, and even the enlisteds would be split.  We already saw this when he tried to use the military to put down the DC protests.

The key is everyone needs to vote against him so it's undeniably obvious when he tries. Only then will we get to see him dragged out kicking and screaming.


I want him to have to descend a steep ramp in full public view.
 
2020-09-25 11:33:01 AM  

Curmudgeonly: As the CJCOS pointed out, the military takes an oath to the Constitution, not the President. They'll refuse any unlawful order.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA sure.
 
2020-09-25 11:33:50 AM  

Zerochance: This would be a good time to remind the grunts Trump turned a blind eye when Putin was paying people extra for their heads.


Turned a blind eye... multiple times. Hell, it STILL hasn't been addressed.

Hear that, troops? Trump doesn't give a shiat if you get murdered.
 
2020-09-25 11:34:03 AM  

Vhale: Coworker called in months ago and asked his officer about this. He was told yes, you can. But you'll still go to jail.


I was taught that the correct response to a truly unlawful order is "Fark you, put it in writing", presuming they decide to play along and write down the order you take it to the next step in the chain of command and say "This farking fark told me to do something unlawful, then signed their damned name to it here."  Rinse repeat until you either are shown to have been wrong and probably go to jail for it, or you reach a level of the chain of command that agrees and unloads on everyone below them that didn't stop it before it reached their level.

It is also definitely plausible that along the way you go to jail while playing the "up the chain of command" game.
 
2020-09-25 11:35:56 AM  

dionysusaur: The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.


Are those the 'Losers' or the 'Suckers'?
 
2020-09-25 11:35:59 AM  

stuhayes2010: I see no reverence for military in this picture


they don't care one bit when he says shiat like "losers and suckers", they care that he addresses white grievance politics and over-the-top jingoism like the colin kaepernick stuff
 
2020-09-25 11:36:21 AM  
Orange Fatso should follow the brave example of one Warden Norton.

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2020-09-25 11:36:26 AM  

vpb: Gen. Miley has already announced that the military won't help decide the election.

Not that that will stop the GOP from stealing it.


Right. They'll stand aside and watch.
 
2020-09-25 11:37:16 AM  

Dimensio: I will see it when I believe it.

Also, I expect that he will try to use domestic law enforcement first.


As 2020 has shown us, today's domestic law enforcement gets a full-on chubby over the thought of America becoming a fascist police state.
 
2020-09-25 11:37:19 AM  

koder: dionysusaur: The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.

Came to say this. Officers wouldn't let it happen by and large, and even the enlisteds would be split.  We already saw this when he tried to use the military to put down the DC protests.

The key is everyone needs to vote against him so it's undeniably obvious when he tries. Only then will we get to see him dragged out kicking and screaming.


A lopsided win for the Democrats will feed into his narrative that the vote is rigged. There's no good ending for this one.
 
2020-09-25 11:37:20 AM  

koder: The key is everyone needs to vote against him so it's undeniably obvious when he tries. Only then will we get to see him dragged out kicking and screaming.


And vote in person when/where you can. The larger the ratio of in-person to mail-in/absentee, the better.

Yeah, I know that means taking some personal risk. Better to take a small risk now than facing a big one later, such as joining an armed insurrection against a stolen presidency.
 
2020-09-25 11:37:49 AM  
Every stupid treasonous think that has been whispered in his ear by his overseas owners, his aides and
enablers has been carried out or at least attempted to. He is a fascist, and by design he will not quit until
his shiat is getting blown up Dresden or Hiroshima style.

He is daring the generals to form a junta because he is drawing a line in the sand and saying that he will
attempt to orchestrate a coup in November.* The Nation is split 50/50, there is the specter of Covid, there will be mass closings of polling stations, there will be sabotage of the Postal Services, and Portland was dress rehearsal and if it up to the courts to referee the elections, it will be Florida 2000 all over again.


/ you know i'm still pissed about having my comments about "now i'm rooting for the generals to form a coup'
deleted last year as if you had to be Nostradamus to see this shiat.
 
2020-09-25 11:38:14 AM  
You know, I've heard this with the last few Presidents that we've had.  "OMG BUSH IS GONNA DECLARE MARTIAL LAW AND BECOME PRESIDENT FOR LIFE!!!" and "OMG OBAMA IS A SEEKRIT MOOSLEM WHO IS GOING TO DESTROY OUR DEMOCRACY AND BE RULER FOREVER!!!".  I've always written such things off as breathlessly panicky bullshiat, because I never once thought we'd have someone who so desperately wanted to cling to power that he'd undermine the very fabric of our society and country to do it.

Until now.
 
2020-09-25 11:38:17 AM  

NkThrasher: stuhayes2010: [Fark user image 850x443]


Really veterans?  You choose this guy over a democrat.  I see no reverence for military in this picture, I see a man who is the center of his own universe and thinks everyone is below him.

I see a Specialist in the front row wearing sunglasses that I don't think are regulation, and then three spots back I see a Soldier whose nose is out of their mask, which I'd expect is counter to current standing orders regarding mask use.

/veteran


I don't see why they're wearing masks at all when COVID is a hoax and no worse than the flu. They should follow the example of their CIC and remove those masks. Then they could surround the President and give him a demonstration of their best parade chants.
 
2020-09-25 11:39:36 AM  

dionysusaur: The officers won't.  The enlisteds are a whole nother matter.


Former enlisted/NCO here.  First point here is that if the Officers don't order it, you aren't acting as a member of the military, you're acting as YOU.  Second point, I myself feel kind of strongly about the military not being involved in elections.  I don't envy anyone in the room when someone from the White House asks them to.
 
2020-09-25 11:40:00 AM  
Unsurprisingly, the article has nothing to do with the headline.

We don't know how the military will respond to a Trump coup. All it would take is a relative few military personnel, with Trump's tacit approval, acting to protect and enable him. As long as others do nothing, he wins.
 
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