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2020-09-24 2:52:52 PM  
I first saw that movie during a time where I had some pretty bad insomnia.

Didn't do me any favors....
 
2020-09-24 3:10:39 PM  
That was incredible and frightening at the same time.
 
2020-09-24 3:18:53 PM  
Canon has really upgraded their DSLR technology
 
2020-09-24 3:23:13 PM  
I got a toy atomic cannon for Christmas when I was 7; my second wife's father was in charge of an atomic cannon in Germany in the late 1950's.

Oddly, my dad was essentially the Director of Nuclear Arms Control at the Pentagon in the late 1950's (when I got said cannon) and he didn't veto my request for the cannon.  It ended up being a really dull/stupid toy that I played with for about a week before it ended up in the scrap heap.

Tactical nuclear weapons are just amazingly stupid so expect trump to encourage their use.
 
2020-09-24 3:31:43 PM  
Amazing. Beautiful and terrifying.

Oh, and nukes WAY powerful than that are at the command of a petulant man-child, so sleep tight!
 
2020-09-24 3:38:11 PM  
I've seen Atomic Annie for real. She's on proud display down at Ft. Sill down towards Lawton, OK.
Of course, they're a bit touchy concerning visitors these days. If you can't check out the base, you can always drive through the Witchita Mountan Wildlife Preserve and provoke a buffalo.
 
2020-09-24 3:48:03 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: I've seen Atomic Annie for real. She's on proud display down at Ft. Sill down towards Lawton, OK.
Of course, they're a bit touchy concerning visitors these days. If you can't check out the base, you can always drive through the Witchita Mountan Wildlife Preserve and provoke a buffalo.


Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
 
2020-09-24 3:51:17 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Optimal_Illusion: I've seen Atomic Annie for real. She's on proud display down at Ft. Sill down towards Lawton, OK.
Of course, they're a bit touchy concerning visitors these days. If you can't check out the base, you can always drive through the Witchita Mountan Wildlife Preserve and provoke a buffalo.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?


Among my people, we had a lot of worse things to say about that recent biker chick vs buffalo encounter.
 
2020-09-24 4:04:43 PM  
I'll see your canon-fired nuke and raise you the Davey Crocket; a nuclear-armed JEEP.

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2020-09-24 4:15:37 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I'll see your canon-fired nuke and raise you the Davey Crocket; a nuclear-armed JEEP.

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what the hell? is that some battlefield tactical nuke?
 
2020-09-24 4:29:34 PM  
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Still less awesome than Big Boy, the two-shot man-portable mini-nuke launcher with the MIRV mod.
 
2020-09-24 4:29:51 PM  

FlashHarry: AAAAGGGGHHHH: I'll see your canon-fired nuke and raise you the Davey Crocket; a nuclear-armed JEEP.

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what the hell? is that some battlefield tactical nuke?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Cr​o​ckett_%28nuclear_device%29 The very best there is.  When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherfarker on the battlefield (including yourself), accept no substitutes.
 
2020-09-24 5:08:42 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: I've seen Atomic Annie for real. She's on proud display down at Ft. Sill down towards Lawton, OK.
Of course, they're a bit touchy concerning visitors these days. If you can't check out the base, you can always drive through the Witchita Mountan Wildlife Preserve and provoke a buffalo.


While you're out there get something to eat at Meer's and stick a business card on the ceiling.

/  Assuming it's still there
// And they still let you do that
/// It's been a while
 
2020-09-24 5:23:17 PM  

Professor Science: FlashHarry: AAAAGGGGHHHH: I'll see your canon-fired nuke and raise you the Davey Crocket; a nuclear-armed JEEP.

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what the hell? is that some battlefield tactical nuke?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Cro​ckett_%28nuclear_device%29 The very best there is.  When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherfarker on the battlefield (including yourself), accept no substitutes.


I haven't seen it Jeep mounted before.  It was more typically just a mortar-like device.  Not quite a Fallout Fatman, since it still needed a two man crew, but darned close.

And it suffered from short range and horrible accuracy.  Heck, even if you managed to not directly blow yourself up with it, there was a fairly good chance that you would irradiate yourself with the fallout if the winds were blowing towards you as opposed to away.
 
2020-09-24 5:33:49 PM  
As someone who named their wedding tables after significant US nuclear tests, yes subby, I have been waiting to see that, and for a very specific reason.

For reference, here's the original, as digitized and uploaded to youtube.

The Atomic Cannon
Youtube gMx0nE296g0


The canny observer or nuclear weapons fetishist will note the half-dozen or so vertical streaks that appear to the right of ground zero when the shell detonates. These are high velocity smoke-trailing rockets that provide a visual reference to observers wishing to monitor the blast wave as it travels through the air, among other things.

I've long suspected that there are frames missing from the video that have been intentionally excised, and this "remaster" seems to confirm it. No rocket we had at the time could get from the ground to 1000+ feet in half a second or so, yet *instantly* after the explosion, the rocket trails are already visible, meaning they were launched prior to detonation, yet in this supposedly seamless clip, they appear as if out of nowhere. You can also see the dust and vapor clouds around the gun jump- actually more obvious in the original version, as the AI used to smooth things and bring them up to 48fps from the original 24 have glossed it over somewhat, but you can still see it if you're paying attention.

I don't know what to make of this and it's puzzled me for a long time. Can anyone find me video of a nuclear test that *includes* the contrail rocket launch? In every video of a test I've seen, they're already off, but the gap has been edited out. (I think in the Trinity movie there's a clip of them being fired, but not in the same clip as a device detonation.)

Much in the same way that without exception (as least in what I've seen), every single air-drop deployment video of a nuke shows the thing in flight, shows it in the bomb bay of the aircraft, but skips the actual release of the weapon and instead cuts to a couple seconds later after being released from bay or belly. Even film from Russia is that way- check out shot Cherokee (US's first aircraft deliverable H-bomb) and the Tsar Bomba video- they're all "on the way"; you never see it start in motion.

If anyone cares to shed a little light on either of these details, I'd love to hear an explanation. I'm not hollering conspiracy, I've just noticed them after watching these clips dozens if not hundreds of times.
 
2020-09-24 6:17:23 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I'll see your canon-fired nuke and raise you the Davey Crocket; a nuclear-armed JEEP.

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I see your nuclear-armed jeep and raise you Blue Peacock, a 10 kiloton chicken powered nuke.

A brief History of: Project Blue Peacock
Youtube PAqkK_s8rYY
 
2020-09-24 6:36:57 PM  
Nuke 'em Rico!
The Mini-Nuke in Starship Troopers (1997)
Youtube uCpN2xTMJiA
 
2020-09-24 6:42:41 PM  

steve_wmn: Optimal_Illusion: I've seen Atomic Annie for real. She's on proud display down at Ft. Sill down towards Lawton, OK.
Of course, they're a bit touchy concerning visitors these days. If you can't check out the base, you can always drive through the Witchita Mountan Wildlife Preserve and provoke a buffalo.

While you're out there get something to eat at Meer's and stick a business card on the ceiling.

/  Assuming it's still there
// And they still let you do that
/// It's been a while


Meera Burger, hell's yeah!
 
2020-09-24 6:51:06 PM  
I'd like to see what the actual shell would have done.

All we're seeing in this video is a cannon being loaded with a standard shell.

And then stock footage of a "Little Boy" "Big Man" sized nuclear weapon. Which would never fit in the 'cannon shell'.

So, subby. This is basically fake footage knitted together from a cannon loading and 'big boy' atomic tests. Not loading "actual" atomic shells in the cannon...which never really existed. You can look up all the 'aftermath' footage of those test runs and they're firmly attached to large atomic bombs droped from airplanes...copy/pasted. Not from a "Nuclear" cannon...and the cannon footage shown seems to be just standard artillery footage.
 
2020-09-24 6:59:17 PM  

grinding_journalist: the rocket trails are already visible, meaning they were launched prior to detonation


Yes, they were. See this one:


Operation Upshot-Knothole ANNIE nuclear test, 1953
Youtube U_nLNcEbIC8
The rockets are the bright spots going up before the assplosion.
 
2020-09-24 7:16:19 PM  
Oh . Look how careful we are loading this ATOMIC SHELL..in to a cannon.

Which is going to be shot out of a cannon.
 
2020-09-24 7:20:22 PM  

grinding_journalist: The canny observer or nuclear weapons fetishist will note the half-dozen or so vertical streaks that appear to the right of ground zero when the shell detonates. These are high velocity smoke-trailing rockets that provide a visual reference to observers wishing to monitor the blast wave as it travels through the air, among other things.

I've long suspected that there are frames missing from the video that have been intentionally excised, and this "remaster" seems to confirm it. No rocket we had at the time could get from the ground to 1000+ feet in half a second or so, yet *instantly* after the explosion, the rocket trails are already visible, meaning they were launched prior to detonation, yet in this supposedly seamless clip, they appear as if out of nowhere. You can also see the dust and vapor clouds around the gun jump- actually more obvious in the original version, as the AI used to smooth things and bring them up to 48fps from the original 24 have glossed it over somewhat, but you can still see it if you're paying attention.


That video does skip a good bit; the gun changes position in the frame quite a bit before and after the flash too.  There's a more continuous version of much lower quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goMNA​x​FqGbk The visual reference rockets are barely visible around 0:33 or 0:34.  That shows about 19 seconds from firing to flash, versus the 7 seconds shown in the high-quality edit.
 
2020-09-24 7:24:00 PM  

optikeye: Oh . Look how careful we are loading this ATOMIC SHELL..in to a cannon.

Which is going to be shot out of a cannon.


I expect most people who have ever handled a nuclear weapon did so awfully carefully.  All the more so when they're doing so in front of ALL THE BRASS assembled for a big event.
 
2020-09-24 7:32:31 PM  

grinding_journalist: As someone who named their wedding tables after significant US nuclear tests, yes subby, I have been waiting to see that, and for a very specific reason.

For reference, here's the original, as digitized and uploaded to youtube.

[YouTube video: The Atomic Cannon]

The canny observer or nuclear weapons fetishist will note the half-dozen or so vertical streaks that appear to the right of ground zero when the shell detonates. These are high velocity smoke-trailing rockets that provide a visual reference to observers wishing to monitor the blast wave as it travels through the air, among other things.

I've long suspected that there are frames missing from the video that have been intentionally excised, and this "remaster" seems to confirm it. No rocket we had at the time could get from the ground to 1000+ feet in half a second or so, yet *instantly* after the explosion, the rocket trails are already visible, meaning they were launched prior to detonation, yet in this supposedly seamless clip, they appear as if out of nowhere. You can also see the dust and vapor clouds around the gun jump- actually more obvious in the original version, as the AI used to smooth things and bring them up to 48fps from the original 24 have glossed it over somewhat, but you can still see it if you're paying attention.

I don't know what to make of this and it's puzzled me for a long time. Can anyone find me video of a nuclear test that *includes* the contrail rocket launch? In every video of a test I've seen, they're already off, but the gap has been edited out. (I think in the Trinity movie there's a clip of them being fired, but not in the same clip as a device detonation.)

Much in the same way that without exception (as least in what I've seen), every single air-drop deployment video of a nuke shows the thing in flight, shows it in the bomb bay of the aircraft, but skips the actual release of the weapon and instead cuts to a couple seconds later after being released from bay or belly. Even film from Russia is that way- check out shot Cherokee (US's first aircraft deliverable H-bomb) and the Tsar Bomba video- they're all "on the way"; you never see it start in motion.

If anyone cares to shed a little light on either of these details, I'd love to hear an explanation. I'm not hollering conspiracy, I've just noticed them after watching these clips dozens if not hundreds of times.


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2020-09-24 7:43:41 PM  

Professor Science: optikeye: Oh . Look how careful we are loading this ATOMIC SHELL..in to a cannon.

Which is going to be shot out of a cannon.

I expect most people who have ever handled a nuclear weapon did so awfully carefully.  All the more so when they're doing so in front of ALL THE BRASS assembled for a big event.


YEah...sure, it was an actual nuclear weapon lowered into a howitzer with a chain and block and tackle infront of all the BRASS for the event. Then they copy/paste stock footage of Atomic BOOMS into the film. 
Sure. Right. Actual atomic shell demo.
 
2020-09-24 7:56:29 PM  

grinding_journalist: If anyone cares to shed a little light on either of these details, I'd love to hear an explanation. I'm not hollering conspiracy, I've just noticed them after watching these clips dozens if not hundreds of times.


The US goverment wanted to appear more powerful than they actualy where. And give the population a "USA USA" Chants.
It's not a big explanation. Etc. Because the US knited together footage to show at movie theaters in the cold war for many reasons.

Why yes...we did have big guns...and yes we did work on nuclear shells. Are these pictures/films results of those those. Nope. They're stock footage of atomic tests.
The Howizer in the foreground is basically what the Atomic Tests where finding out...how it would damage equipment and homes and buildings.
I mean I guess you could say Indy Jones in the 'fridge was OMG TOTALLY REAL TOO and he can SUMMON UFOS LOOK PICTURES...and that would be real too.
 
2020-09-24 8:16:15 PM  

optikeye: Professor Science: optikeye: Oh . Look how careful we are loading this ATOMIC SHELL..in to a cannon.

Which is going to be shot out of a cannon.

I expect most people who have ever handled a nuclear weapon did so awfully carefully.  All the more so when they're doing so in front of ALL THE BRASS assembled for a big event.

YEah...sure, it was an actual nuclear weapon lowered into a howitzer with a chain and block and tackle infront of all the BRASS for the event. Then they copy/paste stock footage of Atomic BOOMS into the film.
Sure. Right. Actual atomic shell demo.


Where do you think stock footage of atomic tests came from?  They just pulled that out of the studio library in 1953?  Upshot-Knothole was the source of a bunch of that material, and the Grable shot was a favorite for studying weapon effects because it was a gun-type bomb (i.e. Little Boy-style linear assembly, not referring to the cannon delivery) and those were more predictable than the implosion types, and it was an example of a lower detonation altitude than usual.

They might have mixed in some footage from the Harry shot, which they also used for a lot of weapons effects testing -- they even reused some of the same vehicles and structures for Grable -- but that was all Upshot-Knothole footage.
 
2020-09-24 8:17:05 PM  

optikeye: Professor Science: optikeye: Oh . Look how careful we are loading this ATOMIC SHELL..in to a cannon.

Which is going to be shot out of a cannon.

I expect most people who have ever handled a nuclear weapon did so awfully carefully.  All the more so when they're doing so in front of ALL THE BRASS assembled for a big event.

YEah...sure, it was an actual nuclear weapon lowered into a howitzer with a chain and block and tackle infront of all the BRASS for the event. Then they copy/paste stock footage of Atomic BOOMS into the film. 
Sure. Right. Actual atomic shell demo.


the lack of gloves or other protection was the giveaway.  they were sloppy, but not that sloppy.
 
2020-09-24 8:20:46 PM  

Professor Science: They might have mixed in some footage from the Harry shot,


Okay was the loading of the gun an actual nuclear device? Or it just MIGHT be.

I'm not saying the US did NOT test nuclear shells. But that footage about it being a nuclear shell is total BULL ShAIT.
 
2020-09-24 8:26:34 PM  

grinding_journalist: I'd love to hear an explanation


Edited for time. The wiki on Upshot-Knothole (this firing of Atomic Annie) states the detonation was 19 seconds after firing. The entire time the shell was in flight was probably recorded but just snipped out to avoid a long, uncomfortable wait in the video.
 
2020-09-24 8:32:49 PM  

optikeye: I'd like to see what the actual shell would have done.

All we're seeing in this video is a cannon being loaded with a standard shell.

And then stock footage of a "Little Boy" "Big Man" sized nuclear weapon. Which would never fit in the 'cannon shell'.


Oh, this test was very real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upshot-​K​nothole_Grable

The yield of the W9 warhead is listed as 15kt, which is the same yield as Little Boy. Fat Man was listed as 21kt, so not that much larger (comparatively speaking, when yields of subsequent weapons can be in the megaton range).
 
2020-09-24 8:36:54 PM  

optikeye: Oh . Look how careful we are loading this ATOMIC SHELL..in to a cannon.

Which is going to be shot out of a cannon.


Gun-type fission weapons are kinda unsafe. For Little Boy, the weapon engineer on the flight was afraid that an accident in a crash could detonate the weapon, so he didn't arm the bomb until the Enola Gay was already in flight. He crawled into the bomb bay and inserted the bags of powder into the breech.

I don't know the specifics of this W9 warhead, but once it was armed with powder in place you wouldn't want to drop it for fear that it could go off prematurely.

Who knows what safety measures were in place, but you just don't want rough or lackadaisical handling of nuclear weapons.
 
2020-09-24 8:39:38 PM  

mrmopar5287: grinding_journalist: I'd love to hear an explanation

Edited for time. The wiki on Upshot-Knothole (this firing of Atomic Annie) states the detonation was 19 seconds after firing. The entire time the shell was in flight was probably recorded but just snipped out to avoid a long, uncomfortable wait in the video.


Yeah, I assumed it had to be something stupid, and not "we have to hide our super sophisticated Estes model rocket array from the Reds". Thanks.

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I've always been fascinated by nuclear weapons. A species has created a weapon that can literally destroy the planet, and they're willing to use it. Artificial extinction-level events seem counter intuitive to the proliferation of a species, and I often wonder if nuclear war is an evolutionary "gate" a starfaring species has to pass through before moving beyond their home planet. We're looking better every day, but the last few horses haven't come in yet.
 
2020-09-24 10:23:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Canon has really upgraded their DSLR technology


... and their almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.
 
2020-09-25 8:36:55 AM  

mrmopar5287: optikeye: Oh . Look how careful we are loading this ATOMIC SHELL..in to a cannon.

Which is going to be shot out of a cannon.

Gun-type fission weapons are kinda unsafe. For Little Boy, the weapon engineer on the flight was afraid that an accident in a crash could detonate the weapon, so he didn't arm the bomb until the Enola Gay was already in flight. He crawled into the bomb bay and inserted the bags of powder into the breech.

I don't know the specifics of this W9 warhead, but once it was armed with powder in place you wouldn't want to drop it for fear that it could go off prematurely.

Who knows what safety measures were in place, but you just don't want rough or lackadaisical handling of nuclear weapons.


Unless they are using some especially high energy, super sensitive propellant I can't imagine a drop setting it off. Conventional bombs and artillery shells, and the powder to shoot them are designed to be safely dropped from a decent height. The idea being that dropping a pallet of them off a dockyard crane should not blow up the entire harbor.
 
2020-09-25 10:36:17 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Canon has really upgraded their DSLR technology


After this they wanted to rebrand as "Nukon" but someone had a problem with that.
 
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