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(WUSA9)   Virginia has a Constitutional Amendment on the ballot that lets 8 citizens plus 8 sitting legislators redraw voting districts. Fine print: the 8 citizens are picked by the legislators and the legislators can veto the decision of the 8 citizens   (wusa9.com) divider line
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2020-09-24 5:00:10 PM  
They not even trying anymore to hide how crooked they are.
 
2020-09-24 9:32:17 PM  
Hey we don't have enough Republicans to vote us into office anymore, wat do, wat do.

Hey! I know! Lets game the system!

Yeah!!!!!

/And democracy becomes a joke.
 
2020-09-24 9:33:57 PM  
I think I will stick with the good old fashioned way of gerrymandering, without the added drama.
 
2020-09-24 9:37:08 PM  
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2020-09-24 9:37:44 PM  

Merltech: They not even trying anymore to hide how crooked they are.


Remember, the Democrats now control both houses of Virginia's General Assembly as well as the governorship..

/new boss same as the old boss
//not really, the old boss sucked more
 
2020-09-24 9:39:18 PM  
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2020-09-24 9:41:59 PM  
The way the proposal is SUPPOSED to work is to remove partisanship from the process, but by putting it to that small of a group, it's bound to be gamed or manipulated for a particular result.

In theory, it would give a non-partisan way to redraw districts. In reality, it would suck. Big time. Not only that, but now that the Dems are in charge of both houses in the GA and has a Dem Gov, they're recommending voting against - the Republicans, now in the minority, definitely want the amendment, because it's the only way they can gain an advantage while the Dems are in charge.
 
2020-09-24 9:47:09 PM  

Summoner101: Merltech: They not even trying anymore to hide how crooked they are.

Remember, the Democrats now control both houses of Virginia's General Assembly as well as the governorship..

/new boss same as the old boss
//not really, the old boss sucked more


The old saying used to go "if your propose a rule change, would you want your enemy to use it against you?"

But as evidenced by the last 4 years, the GOP doesn't follow the rules, and when in power, do whatever they want. From the Carolinas, to Wisconsin, to D.C..

Rules don't matter. Who the fark cares, we are all going down.
 
2020-09-24 9:53:09 PM  
So, when are we going to figure out to just shiatcan electoral districts altogether?
 
2020-09-24 9:55:34 PM  
The fact that the GOP was against this until they lost power, and the Democratic leadership is against it now after gaining power, leads me to believe that it is a good idea. Not perfect but better than the current system.

Also, the same mechanism (constitutional amendment) will be necessary if we reject this and try something else or if we adopt this and reform it later.
 
2020-09-24 9:56:19 PM  
I voted against it. We'll see what happens.
 
2020-09-24 10:07:10 PM  

40 degree day: I voted against it. We'll see what happens.


I also voted against the one about forgiving disabled veterans for the car tax or whatever. WTF?
 
2020-09-24 10:09:52 PM  
It is time for a constitutional amendment to draw congressional districts by algorithm.
 
2020-09-24 10:09:57 PM  
Why eight? Wouldn't 12 be more appropriate?

And instead of picking them in a weird way prone to corruption why not just draw a courthouse name from a hat then do a jury selection. Each side gets their pool and then you play ball.
 
2020-09-24 10:14:40 PM  
Yeah.  Voted no on that one when I  voted early on Tuesday.

Vote!
 
2020-09-24 10:16:25 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: Hey we don't have enough Republicans to vote us into office anymore, wat do, wat do.

Hey! I know! Lets game the system!

Yeah!!!!!

/And democracy becomes a joke.


They keep forgetting that they are setting the new normal -- the more they skew things in their favor, the more people they piss off in the process and combined with changing demographics, at some point down the road gerrymandering won't be enough...
They'll lose power, and thanks to the creating the same rules that their opponents will be able to use against them they will be out of power for a generation or two.

/bless their hearts
//Yes, thats "fark you" in Southern.
 
2020-09-24 11:56:26 PM  

40 degree day: I voted against it. We'll see what happens.


Same here. It didn't smell right.
 
2020-09-25 12:19:54 AM  

Dear Jerk: It is time for a constitutional amendment to draw congressional districts by algorithm.


That was what led to the 2011 gerrymandering clusterfark.

Algos 4 evil are just like bad sushi, end up with shiat all over everything.
 
2020-09-25 1:07:43 AM  
It's too late now but maybe under the new constitution federal districts need to adhere to a common boundary drawing algorithm. And election laws and standards such as having x number of polling stations per capita.

But it's really too late now. I don't see the gop giving up power now.
 
2020-09-25 3:00:08 AM  

Dear Jerk: It is time for a constitutional amendment to draw congressional districts by algorithm.


Who develops and chooses the algorithm
 
2020-09-25 3:09:32 PM  

Dear Jerk: It is time for a constitutional amendment to draw congressional districts by algorithm.

qorkfiend: Who develops and chooses the algorithm


Good point. It's possibly more pressing to have a public discussion of what algorithm should be used before mandating an algorithm; and more fundamentally what criteria should be used for preferring one algorithm over another.

Congressional redistricting between states was a big controversy every decade (especially the 1920s) until the Huntington-Hill method of least proportions was adopted (1940) based in large part on a report from the National Academy of Sciences. The "weighted k-means" and "shortest splitline" have been presented in the last decade or so as promising alternatives that might eventually gain a corresponding level of acceptance. As such, any proposed alternative should be compared to both of those by the proposer, making explicit the basis for comparison.


Unfortunately, I fear US society may have degraded to the point where even that it is not possible for any set of such criteria to get a degree of agreement across the electorate that will rise to the effective level of "consent of the governed"; and also that solving the underlying problems the criteria seek to address would require exploration of voting systems, and that too many Americans are too (willfully or incapably) ignorant to understand more complicated voting systems.

Thus, an even more pressing priority would be improving the US mathematics education system such that a significant majority of the adult population in 3/4 of the states are able to follow the reasoning, so that our society will have means to recognize a solution. (Given seeming correlates of present innumeracy, this might indirectly facilitate consensus on criteria for partial ordering preference between algorithms as well as understanding of those algorithms.)
 
2020-09-25 3:13:08 PM  
As to this particular Virginia amendment, I would suggest that voters may be more satisfied if the decision is not based on whether its proposed process is considered "good" in and of itself, but rather on whether or not it is considered "better" than the present means.
 
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