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2020-09-24 1:25:00 PM  
62 votes:
Police: open fire on civilians
Civilians: return fire
Police:
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2020-09-24 1:35:58 PM  
49 votes:

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.
 
2020-09-24 1:32:52 PM  
30 votes:
Wonder if they bothered to get the right guy or if they just grabbed the first random black person they saw.
 
2020-09-24 1:40:14 PM  
29 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


If only there were body cam footage we'd know what really happened. It's a shame it went missing.
 
2020-09-24 1:57:37 PM  
25 votes:
The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.
 
2020-09-24 1:41:41 PM  
24 votes:

vestona22: Begoggle: vestona22: croesius: Police: open fire on civilians
Civilians: return fire
Police:
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Civilian: open fire on police
Police: return fire
Liberals:
[Fark user image 408x395]

So you think it's OK for cops to murder people.
Is it only OK if those people are black? Or is anybody fair game?

So you think it's OK for people to murder cops.
Is it only OK if those cops are white? Or is anybody fair game?

/see how racist you sound


I can't imagine why Fark is struggling to get advertisers and users.
 
2020-09-24 1:50:39 PM  
23 votes:

Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.


Joining a gang is dangerous, news at 11.
 
2020-09-24 1:41:20 PM  
23 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


Well then.. As long as they said (pinky swear) they announced themselves it's all good.
 
2020-09-24 1:35:20 PM  
23 votes:

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.
 
2020-09-24 1:42:57 PM  
22 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


There's a vast difference between "announce" and "identify". If you're rich and white, you get "identify", where they come to your door and serve the search warrant. If you're poor or black you get "announce" after they kick down your door and a few seconds before they shoot you. It's a major distinction often lost on those who will naturally get the "identify" option by virtue of their station in life.
 
2020-09-24 1:31:55 PM  
22 votes:
Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?
 
2020-09-24 1:48:03 PM  
21 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.
 
2020-09-24 2:01:14 PM  
20 votes:

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


Can you imagine being such a weak ejaculation of a man that your problem with this case is a man firing on officers kicking down a door at 6 AM serving a warrant at the wrong address, while his naked 25 year old girlfriend stood next to him?
 
2020-09-24 1:32:15 PM  
20 votes:
I expect the full blown character assassination to begin around 2:45 pm today.  Trump will tweet by 4:30.

My assessment, he needs to be held accountable, if only to draw yet ANOTHER contrast between how police are expected to behave and how they expect the rest of us to respond.

I'm glad they didn't just pump him full of holes and lie about it.  So that's something.
 
2020-09-24 1:42:59 PM  
19 votes:

Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.


I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.
 
2020-09-24 1:36:00 PM  
19 votes:

vestona22: croesius: Police: open fire on civilians
Civilians: return fire
Police:
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Civilian: open fire on police
Police: return fire
Liberals:
[Fark user image 408x395]


So you think it's OK for cops to murder people.
Is it only OK if those people are black? Or is anybody fair game?
 
2020-09-24 1:35:06 PM  
19 votes:

croesius: Police: open fire on civilians
Civilians: return fire
Police:
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Civilian: open fire on police
Police: return fire
Liberals:
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2020-09-24 1:46:54 PM  
18 votes:

Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.


There are no good cops
 
2020-09-24 2:10:09 PM  
17 votes:

vestona22: HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.


The weirdest thing about your kind is the only way you can discuss or debate is by taking what other people said, change a couple of words, then echo it back. Did you learn from the Jack Chick School of Discussion?
 
2020-09-24 1:47:24 PM  
17 votes:

ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.


Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.
 
2020-09-24 1:51:23 PM  
16 votes:

Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.


And lest we forget, the FBI ballistics investigation identified the shooter.  They ignored that because it didn't agree with THEIR labs research because "both labs are well respected" and "no discrepancies in methodology could be identified."

This was the rationale for charging NOBODY in the death of Breonna Taylor.  Since only one bullet was technically fatal, that was the only bullet they were looking for.  They conveniently couldn't find out who shot it.  The FBI could, but whatever, who the fark are the "FBI" anyway?
 
2020-09-24 2:18:28 PM  
15 votes:
It seems to me that once again, the problem is Dave Grossman.  Those police officers were trained to react to danger by immediately killing any threat.  They could have done a few things:  Retreated to cover (not concealment) and calling for backup leaps to mind.  But they had been trained to respond with a fusillade.  Not to back the eff up and cover the exits, not to call into the house, not to protect the lives of those around them, but to start slinging lead like it was DaNang in '68.  That wasn't an accident.  We made them that way.  And Dave Effing Grossman trained them that way.

Dave Grossman needs to go back to the USMC where he belongs and stop training police officers.
 
2020-09-24 2:03:37 PM  
15 votes:
Probably a good time to remind everyone - please don't feed the trolls.
Even if you mean well. Even if you have a GREAT point.

Just don't do it.

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2020-09-24 1:59:15 PM  
15 votes:

Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.


They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"
 
2020-09-24 1:38:06 PM  
12 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.


No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.
 
2020-09-24 1:32:18 PM  
12 votes:

NickBob78: They did.  14 counts of wanton endangerment.


Cops and drywall get wanton endangement.  Black people don't.
 
2020-09-24 1:56:37 PM  
10 votes:

Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.


They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.
 
2020-09-24 2:34:57 PM  
9 votes:
Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.
 
2020-09-24 2:05:24 PM  
9 votes:

vestona22: HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.


Considering themselves the Master Race doesn't make cops a race.
 
2020-09-24 1:48:36 PM  
9 votes:

zeroandjune: Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.

There are no good cops


That does seem to be the case, yes.
 
2020-09-24 1:38:34 PM  
9 votes:

Begoggle: vestona22: croesius: Police: open fire on civilians
Civilians: return fire
Police:
[Fark user image image 408x395]

Civilian: open fire on police
Police: return fire
Liberals:
[Fark user image 408x395]

So you think it's OK for cops to murder people.
Is it only OK if those people are black? Or is anybody fair game?


So you think it's OK for people to murder cops.
Is it only OK if those cops are white? Or is anybody fair game?

/see how racist you sound
 
2020-09-24 2:22:22 PM  
8 votes:

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


Are we allowed to mention that the boyfriend thought that the cops were home invaders?
 
2020-09-24 2:11:21 PM  
8 votes:
Why is it that people with alternative opinions always preface their statements with "I have always been in support of X", and then say things that are definitely not in support of X?  Is this the new "I'm not racist, but..."?
 
2020-09-24 2:00:11 PM  
8 votes:

vestona22: HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.


Oh goodness, why are you personally addressing this comment?
 
2020-09-24 1:52:44 PM  
8 votes:
He was such a good boy!
He was getting his life together!
Institutional racism!
Peaceful protests!

Hypocrisy.  Both sides.  This has gone beyond ridiculous.
 
2020-09-24 4:08:59 PM  
7 votes:

waxbeans: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

***** ##### &&&&& and #### @@@@ ****!


I'll translate those characters:

People are dead because a lazy possibly dirty cop put a warrant in front of a lazy judge and some peon cops executed a terrible warrant and were shot at.  Then the drywall!

now 2 more people are hurt as a result of the combination of police brutality and negligence.

/I got paywalled
 
2020-09-24 1:59:02 PM  
7 votes:
the body cam footage will show if there was a knock  :)
 
2020-09-24 1:58:25 PM  
7 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.


The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.
 
2020-09-24 1:32:16 PM  
7 votes:
I could endanger some wontons myself right now.

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2020-09-24 4:49:45 PM  
6 votes:
A mistaken killing is a manslaughter.  That's the charge they should have gotten. Just because your the tip of the sword doesn't excuse your part in the cut - you're part of the apparatus that's supposed to execute the collective will of the people.
 
2020-09-24 2:16:19 PM  
6 votes:
"standing your ground" is only for white people.
 
2020-09-24 2:14:48 PM  
6 votes:

Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.


However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.
 
2020-09-24 2:13:30 PM  
6 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.

They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"


From what I'm reading I wouldn't say he lied.  But his justification for the warrant was really farking thin.  It amounts to Walker was previously charged for drugs, the cops saw him at her apartment, so it must be full of drugs and drug money.  Oh and he once got a package delivered to her apartment that the cops have no idea what it was so it must have been drugs.

And the fact that the judge approved 5 warrants in 12 minutes tells me she didn't scrutinize them much if at all.  If I were the judge I would have wanted more than that for at least that one.
 
2020-09-24 2:11:41 PM  
6 votes:
They can make a fast arrest when they want to.
 
2020-09-24 1:43:19 PM  
6 votes:

Begoggle: vestona22: croesius: Police: open fire on civilians
Civilians: return fire
Police:
[Fark user image image 408x395]

Civilian: open fire on police
Police: return fire
Liberals:
[Fark user image 408x395]

So you think it's OK for cops to murder people.
Is it only OK if those people are black? Or is anybody fair game?


It is ok for cops to fire back when fired upon, no matter what the race of the person firing at them is.

/now, if the cops don't loudly announce themselves as cops in the above situation (as they should) when breaking down a door, does the above go away, even though that could cause a situation such as occurred in this case?
//apparently not
///also the cops had bad aim but so what is new
 
2020-09-24 1:33:22 PM  
6 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: Last night was pretty disappointing.


Not enough bloodshed for you?
 
2020-09-24 12:10:01 PM  
6 votes:
I wonder if there will be a gofundme.
 
2020-09-24 4:06:58 PM  
5 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.


Don't hope too hard, because if the Dems ever wised up and started treating the Second Amendment like they claim to treat the other amendments, your side won't win another election.
 
2020-09-24 2:37:24 PM  
5 votes:

jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.


So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.
 
2020-09-24 2:27:31 PM  
5 votes:

Graffito: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

Well then.. As long as they said (pinky swear) they announced themselves it's all good.


Why don't we just check the body cam foota.... oh wait.
 
2020-09-24 2:26:39 PM  
5 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.


also, they weren't at a drug dealer's house.
 
2020-09-24 2:20:01 PM  
5 votes:

Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.


If you follow Fark's Homeowner with a Gun Rule, Taylor's boyfriend had a duty to retreat and should have made positive identification of the intruders first, no, he should have been shot at first - then and only then would he have been justified in defending himself against the home invaders. Oh, they're cops? Cue hypocrisy statement.
 
2020-09-24 2:19:01 PM  
5 votes:

Agarista: the body cam footage will show if there was a knock  :)


Which is why the public will never see it.
 
2020-09-24 2:00:28 PM  
5 votes:
Getting rid of no-knock raids and arresting people outside of their home would fix a lot of this crap. Grab the person as they leave their job or the grocery store, and then raid their place.
 
2020-09-24 1:53:50 PM  
5 votes:
OK so we've decided that SOME people want cops to kill and hurt black people exclusively.
I think they probably would be happy with the cops hurting other groups too, such as gay people or any other religion or race than they are.
Great thread everybody, see you at the next one.
 
2020-09-24 1:49:52 PM  
5 votes:

zeroandjune: Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.

There are no good cops


If only I had, like, a million likes
 
2020-09-24 1:44:16 PM  
5 votes:
It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.
 
2020-09-24 1:42:11 PM  
5 votes:

Pope Larry II: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

If only there were body cam footage we'd know what really happened. It's a shame it went missing.


Agreed, but the AG said it was confirmed by an independent witness. Every cop should have a body cam.
 
2020-09-24 1:39:29 PM  
5 votes:
Don't get it..be a creep...involved in creepy things....outrage cause bad things happen to ya

Meanwhile those of us who respect others...don't post comments about wanting people dead or hurt, help their neighbors, stay out of trouble and forbid believe in God....yeah we're the assholes.
 
2020-09-24 1:31:45 PM  
5 votes:
"The authorities in Louisville, Ky., have charged Larynzo Johnson..."

No word on whether he was rolling in a Benzo.
 
2020-09-24 1:31:42 PM  
5 votes:
Last night was pretty disappointing.
 
2020-09-24 5:34:00 PM  
4 votes:

Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.


Your narrative omits the part where Breonna and her boyfriend repeatedly shout "who's there?". If the police wanted to identify themselves they could have.
 
2020-09-24 3:18:58 PM  
4 votes:
Also, the correct procedure for the cops in this case: wait for someone to answer the farking door like a civilized human being.

The illegitimate nature of the warrant IS relevant - because it shows the illegitimate nature of the entire system that led to this murder. We have millions in prison, far more than any other country that calls itself "free", and our prison system barely even pretends to rehabilitate people.

Even if you claim they all deserve to be in prison, you've got to explain why American society is so broken that it can't operate without a prison system rivaled only by the old soviet gulags.

The thing is rotten root and branch.
 
2020-09-24 3:07:44 PM  
4 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: vestona22: HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

Oh goodness, why are you personally addressing this comment?


Seems he's a bit touchy.
 
2020-09-24 2:59:32 PM  
4 votes:

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


Kentucky is a stand your ground state. They were breaking down his door. https://www.usconcealedcarry.co​m/blog/​kentucky-gun-laws-what-you-should-know​/#:~:text=Kentucky%20is%20a%20Castle%2​0Doctrine%20state%20and%20has,right%20​to%20be%20has%20no%20duty%20to%20retre​at.
 
2020-09-24 2:44:05 PM  
4 votes:

JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.


Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.
 
2020-09-24 2:23:43 PM  
4 votes:

NephilimNexus: Agarista: the body cam footage will show if there was a knock  :)

Which is why the public will never see it.


Maybe you missed it, but the officers serving the warrant were not wearing body cams at the time. Responding officers later to the scene were so we have the aftermath documented, but not the actual events.

It should be farking mandatory when you are serving a warrant that you wear a body cam. The only reason I can think of they wouldn't is because typically dead men tell no tales and the police are going to almost always be given the benefit of doubt as far as how the justice system looks at things.
 
2020-09-24 2:06:05 PM  
4 votes:

ElecricalPast: Probably a good time to remind everyone - please don't feed the trolls.
Even if you mean well. Even if you have a GREAT point.

Just don't do it.

[Fark user image 634x319]


Just block the obvious trolls...much better
 
2020-09-24 1:48:14 PM  
4 votes:

Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.


Isn't that exactly what happened in Texas last year? A cop lied to get a no-knock warrant, and himself and a few other cops got shot along with two people in the home being killed. I'm still sad the guy in the house only had a revolver. Think what he could've done to those cops with a rifle.
 
2020-09-24 1:38:54 PM  
4 votes:
Patriotism comes in many forms.
 
2020-09-24 8:04:07 PM  
3 votes:

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


So, pro tip: If you're woken up in the middle of the night by heavily-armed, unidentified intruders who don't even mention they're police, you can not just morally, but legally open fire in just about every state, even if you're black.

Because they might actually be bad guys.
 
2020-09-24 5:45:50 PM  
3 votes:

adamatari: Also, the correct procedure for the cops in this case: wait for someone to answer the farking door like a civilized human being.

The illegitimate nature of the warrant IS relevant - because it shows the illegitimate nature of the entire system that led to this murder. We have millions in prison, far more than any other country that calls itself "free", and our prison system barely even pretends to rehabilitate people.

Even if you claim they all deserve to be in prison, you've got to explain why American society is so broken that it can't operate without a prison system rivaled only by the old soviet gulags.

The thing is rotten root and branch.


We have more people in prison than ANY country in the world. Even China. And that's not only by percentage of population, but TOTAL numbers.

Land of the free my ass.

Land of the for profit prison more like.
 
2020-09-24 4:29:20 PM  
3 votes:

waxbeans: ...
Oh yeah religious people are so wanting to help people


Not


United Church of Christ-social justice

Union for Reform Judaism-social justice

Inner-City Muslim Action Network

Just a few I found.
 
2020-09-24 4:17:42 PM  
3 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.


Here's some food:
Trump did more on gun control than Obama did.
Joe Biden is traditionally more conservative than Donald Trump.  (Also traditionally smarter and less rapey)

You'll be voting for a guy with an affadavitt for raping a 14 year old, who called veterans losers, who called his voters disgusting people, and now has doctors attributing over 120,000 of the 200,000 COVID deaths to Donald Trump's negligence, and his rhetoric is directly contributing to divisiveness and BLM unrest and bedwetters bringing their guns to pretend they're cleaning up graffiti.
On your level, he's literally sh*tting himself in front of world leaders who shouldn't leave a meeting believing they're more powerful than the US President.

If you're still voting for all that, you're voting for the end.
 
2020-09-24 4:14:09 PM  
3 votes:
Kenneth Walker, the boyfriend, had a strong enough self-defense case that they dropped charges against him. However, the police were still serving a lawful warrant when they returned fire. That third idiot, who actually got indicted, didn't hit anything. The killing rounds were fired by the other two, one of which had just been shot himself.

I believe that Kenneth Walker believed the cops were intruders. But the cops didn't know that. Shooting back, in that situation, seems more than reasonable.

I just don't see how this would be a murder case and considering that no one would give a flying fark about any of this had Breonna Taylor been anything but black, the whole thing reeks of agenda and deliberate manipulation.

And I farking hate cops most of the time.
 
2020-09-24 4:12:20 PM  
3 votes:

Chunkybeets: Don't get it..be a creep...involved in creepy things....outrage cause bad things happen to ya

Meanwhile those of us who respect others...don't post comments about wanting people dead or hurt, help their neighbors, stay out of trouble and forbid believe in God....yeah we're the assholes.


Oh yeah religious people are so wanting to help people


Not
 
2020-09-24 4:10:50 PM  
3 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


And those cops were really trying to handcuff Rodney King and those other cops were just torturing Floyd so that he would get into the vehicle of his own volition
 
2020-09-24 4:09:22 PM  
3 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.


Never mind that you can cut off the water and trap the sewage.
But hey why do difficult things when the most simple thing is to kill people
 
2020-09-24 4:01:40 PM  
3 votes:

fireclown: It seems to me that once again, the problem is Dave Grossman.  Those police officers were trained to react to danger by immediately killing any threat.  They could have done a few things:  Retreated to cover (not concealment) and calling for backup leaps to mind.  But they had been trained to respond with a fusillade.  Not to back the eff up and cover the exits, not to call into the house, not to protect the lives of those around them, but to start slinging lead like it was DaNang in '68.  That wasn't an accident.  We made them that way.  And Dave Effing Grossman trained them that way.

Dave Grossman needs to go back to the USMC where he belongs and stop training police officers.


I would like to take this opportunity to once again point out that Dave Grossman is a piece of shiat poseur who never saw combat in his military career.

And as much as I would like to blame him on the USMC, he was an Army infantry officer.
 
2020-09-24 3:51:31 PM  
3 votes:

NM Volunteer: Harlee: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

Are we allowed to mention that the boyfriend thought that the cops were home invaders?

But you forget the Zimmerman Rule: only white people can claim self-defense, never Black people.


Except that Kenneth Walker had all charges dropped against him using the "stand your ground" defense. So given that this black man (in this very case) did successfully use a self-defense claim, against the police no less, proves you absolutely wrong.
 
2020-09-24 3:28:36 PM  
3 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


Based on one anonymous account
Compared to many more witnesses that actually stepped forward and described what they saw or heard
/ this thread has a lot of derp and a lot of that derp has smart clicks - I'm skeptical
 
2020-09-24 3:24:41 PM  
3 votes:

brizzle365: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

Pretty common misconception from the movies and TV shows. Drugs do not just flush down the toilet. If you pour it out of the container/baggie in to the toilet bowl, shiats just gonna float around and still be there. If you ditch the baggie and all, you create a clog and they will just snake it out anyway. Its possible that you do a good job of contaminating the sample, but then they will just get you for obstruction and/or destruction of evidence.


I'm old. I remember, quite clearly, that "drugs being flushed down the toilet" was literally the excuse used to get the no-knock warrant then included in the law. So your point is actually another point in support of doing away with those laws.


That said, no knock raids are and have been pretty dumb, considering how America views guns and the protection of their domicile. Kinda lucky (or unlucky if you hate cops) that more cops didnt wind up dead because of it.

Yep. One of these days they are going to do a 3am raid on some fit and paranoid survivalist SS type with illegal full-auto weapons, handheld artillery of various types, and possibly even boobytrapped doors and windows, and maybe a few trained attack dogs thrown in for good measure. Then we will see maybe 15-20 dead cops and Murica will lose it's mind.


Also, I think its patently stupid and disingenuous that grand jury testimony is sealed. There should always be the upmost transparency from the prosecution, especially towards the public, doubly so when they are itching for an excuse to go bat shiat crazy in the streets because a lot of people believe unsubstantiated reports from TV and/or internet.

But you don't understand. These were BLAH people. You know, not actually people.
 
2020-09-24 3:20:51 PM  
3 votes:

JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.


I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.
 
2020-09-24 3:01:42 PM  
3 votes:

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.


I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.
 
2020-09-24 2:43:29 PM  
3 votes:

Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.


It's the ultimate battle: The Castle Doctrine vs No-Knock Raids
 
2020-09-24 2:39:37 PM  
3 votes:

Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.

They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"

From what I'm reading I wouldn't say he lied.  But his justification for the warrant was really farking thin.  It amounts to Walker was previously charged for drugs, the cops saw him at her apartment, so it must be full of drugs and drug money.  Oh and he once got a package delivered to her apartment that the cops have no idea what it was so it must have been drugs.

And the fact that the judge approved 5 warrants in 12 minutes tells me she didn't scrutinize them much if at all.  If I were the judge I would have wanted more than that for at least that one.


they were listening to jailhouse phone calls and expected to find cash for the boyfriend's bail money in the house.

they killed her in their attempt to steal cash under the guise of confiscating drug money.
 
2020-09-24 2:27:55 PM  
3 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: It should be farking mandatory when you are serving a warrant that you wear a body cam. The only reason I can think of they wouldn't is because typically dead men tell no tales and the police are going to almost always be given the benefit of doubt as far as how the justice system looks at things.


Tots agree.  I also think no-knock, midnight warrants need to be reserved for the worst of the worst.  No reason the PD couldn't have just waited until morning and arrested the dude on his way out.
 
2020-09-24 2:23:42 PM  
3 votes:

Harlee: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

Are we allowed to mention that the boyfriend thought that the cops were home invaders?


But you forget the Zimmerman Rule: only white people can claim self-defense, never Black people.
 
2020-09-24 2:14:30 PM  
3 votes:
I thought we had to wait months for a grand jury to decide what charges are filed?
 
2020-09-24 2:13:48 PM  
3 votes:

NM Volunteer: Why is it that people with alternative opinions always preface their statements with "I have always been in support of X", and then say things that are definitely not in support of X?  Is this the new "I'm not racist, but..."?


It's not new. What movie/TV show did I see recently where someone said something like "everything before the word 'but' is bullshiat"?
 
2020-09-24 1:56:52 PM  
3 votes:

gar1013: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

According to the DA, there was a knock.


It would seem the grand jury agrees.
 
2020-09-24 1:51:30 PM  
3 votes:

K3rberos: Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.

Joining a gang is dangerous, news at 11.


It they can't get equal rights it only seems logical that they'll land on revenge.
 
2020-09-24 1:31:09 PM  
3 votes:
wonton endangerment

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WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHINESE DUMPLINGS!
 
2020-09-24 1:30:44 PM  
3 votes:
They did.  14 counts of wanton endangerment.
 
2020-09-24 5:53:26 PM  
2 votes:

waxbeans: vestona22: Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.

Well the cops own information makes it clear the cops saw TB place as stash house. So she wasn't dealing.
Next, the man shooting at the police was legally carrying.
People who still have the right to carry don't knowingly stay at trap houses or stash houses.
Next, how is it the cops claim to know packages are being picked up and delivered but don't know a legal gun owner visits and stays over night?
Next, BT would be in a good position to flip, so why would she resist arrest and why would you arrest her in the most provocative manner?
Lastly everything I've said is based on what the police have said not on anything the suspects have said.

Some of you all don't pay any attention and are something.
But....to say more would be c######
🙄


The deliveries were clothes and shoes. The police trying to say Amazon deliveries are drug drops is ridiculous.
 
2020-09-24 5:37:00 PM  
2 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.

If you follow Fark's Homeowner with a Gun Rule, Taylor's boyfriend had a duty to retreat and should have made positive identification of the intruders first, no, he should have been shot at first - then and only then would he have been justified in defending himself against the home invaders. Oh, they're cops? Cue hypocrisy statement.


Generously taking your statement at face value, I believe the so called duty to retreat only applies in some states. In other states, if someone is invading your home, that's a greenlight to light them up.
 
2020-09-24 5:15:54 PM  
2 votes:

NephilimNexus: Wonder if they bothered to get the right guy or if they just grabbed the first random black person they saw.


This is an extremely valid point.
 
2020-09-24 4:04:21 PM  
2 votes:

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


***** ##### &&&&& and #### @@@@ ****!
 
2020-09-24 3:03:15 PM  
2 votes:
Just gonna post an old civil war song here, while you guess debate the ethics of who gets to shoot who:

John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave
His truth is marching on
 
2020-09-24 2:36:32 PM  
2 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: NephilimNexus: Agarista: the body cam footage will show if there was a knock  :)

Which is why the public will never see it.

Maybe you missed it, but the officers serving the warrant were not wearing body cams at the time. Responding officers later to the scene were so we have the aftermath documented, but not the actual events.

It should be farking mandatory when you are serving a warrant that you wear a body cam. The only reason I can think of they wouldn't is because typically dead men tell no tales and the police are going to almost always be given the benefit of doubt as far as how the justice system looks at things.


Maybe you missed it.  The cops were wearing body cameras when photographed after the murder.  Stop lying.
 
2020-09-24 2:25:33 PM  
2 votes:
DNRTFA but I hope it was the cops who lied to the judge to get the no-knock warrant.   If not, might I suggest burning their houses down?
 
2020-09-24 2:23:20 PM  
2 votes:

Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.

They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"

From what I'm reading I wouldn't say he lied.  But his justification for the warrant was really farking thin.  It amounts to Walker was previously charged for drugs, the cops saw him at her apartment, so it must be full of drugs and drug money.  Oh and he once got a package delivered to her apartment that the cops have no idea what it was so it must have been drugs.

And the fact that the judge approved 5 warrants in 12 minutes tells me she didn't scrutinize them much if at all.  If I were the judge I would have wanted more than that for at least that one.


So this is legitimate discussion.  (Not the "all cops are bad, racist, etc.")  I've read that the warrant was kind of sketchy, but haven't had time to get the details.  The reason I'm so harsh on the "all cops are bad" crowd is that they accomplish nothing.  Taking a hard look on how warrants are approved and (more importantly) executed would be a good thing.  And, as I've said repeatedly in the past, qualified immunity needs to be rolled back.  Rioting is counter-productive.
 
2020-09-24 2:21:01 PM  
2 votes:

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


Good thing they had those body cameras on to back this up amirite
 
2020-09-24 2:17:39 PM  
2 votes:

gar1013: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

According to the DA, there was a knock.


it goes:
*knock*
One Mississ...
*door gets knocked down*
 
2020-09-24 1:56:05 PM  
2 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.


According to the DA, there was a knock.
 
2020-09-24 10:17:21 PM  
1 vote:

waxbeans: Medic Zero: waxbeans: vestona22: Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.

Well the cops own information makes it clear the cops saw TB place as stash house. So she wasn't dealing.
Next, the man shooting at the police was legally carrying.
People who still have the right to carry don't knowingly stay at trap houses or stash houses.
Next, how is it the cops claim to know packages are being picked up and delivered but don't know a legal gun owner visits and stays over night?
Next, BT would be in a good position to flip, so why would she resist arrest and why would you arrest her in the most provocative manner?
Lastly everything I've said is based on what the police have said not on anything the suspects have said.

Some of you all don't pay any attention and are something.
But....to say more would be c######
🙄

The deliveries were clothes and shoes. The police trying to say Amazon deliveries are drug drops is ridiculous.

My point is
Even if I believe what the cops claimed they was thinking.
In their own words.

I still have issue with the end results.

It doesn't make sense.
And no one should be defending it.
I try to tear down people's stories using their own facts.
And using the police statements I try to follow their narrative that they claim but their statements and their narrative they're trying to paint don't fit.


Much like the OJ Simpson case Marcia Clark painted OJ Simpson as a hot head they would get upset and violent and act out.
That was her contention.
Okay using your own contention substantiate your contention.
what does she do she shows OJ being friendly with someone he allegedly kills hours later.
That would be okay if he showed another interaction in between and claimed that they got into a fight at that point.
But that's not what happened.
If you examine what people say and then see if it actually makes sense that is where you find the cr ...


"They clearly thought her house was a stash house".

Maybe, I'm partial to the theory that they thought she had a bunch of cash handy because she was going to bail her ex out of jail (something they overheard on a jailhouse phone call) and they falsified the warrant so they could rob her of the cash.

We know cops do this all the time all over the country, so it's not far fetched.
 
2020-09-24 9:45:38 PM  
1 vote:

Magnanimous_J: I believe that Kenneth Walker believed the cops were intruders. But the cops didn't know that. Shooting back, in that situation, seems more than reasonable.


3 cops in street clothes busting someone's door down in the middle of the night, and 11 out of 12 witnesses said they didn't say anything to identify themselves before the shots were fired.

These guys are supposed to be detectives. It doesn't take a detective to know that if you bust down someone's door in the middle of the night and there's nothing on you to ID you as a cop, the resident is likely to come out of the bedroom shooting.
 
2020-09-24 7:47:25 PM  
1 vote:

AngryDragon: He was such a good boy!
He was getting his life together!
Institutional racism!
Peaceful protests!

Hypocrisy.  Both sides.  This has gone beyond ridiculous.


Your brain is a musty and boring place.
 
2020-09-24 7:35:25 PM  
1 vote:

Medic Zero: waxbeans: vestona22: Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.

Well the cops own information makes it clear the cops saw TB place as stash house. So she wasn't dealing.
Next, the man shooting at the police was legally carrying.
People who still have the right to carry don't knowingly stay at trap houses or stash houses.
Next, how is it the cops claim to know packages are being picked up and delivered but don't know a legal gun owner visits and stays over night?
Next, BT would be in a good position to flip, so why would she resist arrest and why would you arrest her in the most provocative manner?
Lastly everything I've said is based on what the police have said not on anything the suspects have said.

Some of you all don't pay any attention and are something.
But....to say more would be c######
🙄

The deliveries were clothes and shoes. The police trying to say Amazon deliveries are drug drops is ridiculous.


Must be a HUUUUGE epidemic of drug deliveries by Amazon right now. Are they allowed to deliver drugs?
 
2020-09-24 7:13:44 PM  
1 vote:

EvilElecBlanket: The NRA just wants to sell guns and ammo. They have died to most of the right-winger the last few years.


The NRA is corrupt, bloated and soft. Pretty much what you'd expect from the oldest civil rights organization in America. Peter principle says 100% of NRA posts are held by people at their level of incompetence.

Still worth supporting, but join GOA too.
 
2020-09-24 6:50:08 PM  
1 vote:

Magnanimous_J: I believe that Kenneth Walker believed the cops were intruders. But the cops didn't know that.


Are they morons, then? Because this probability about 'no-knock' raids has been pointed out to police services since they first got permission to try one.

Magnanimous_J: I just don't see how this would be a murder case and considering that no one would give a flying fark about any of this had Breonna Taylor been anything but black, the whole thing reeks of agenda and deliberate manipulation.


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2020-09-24 6:12:24 PM  
1 vote:
Dems have have tried for years by votes and sit-ins to outlaw "assault weapons." This is ridiculous with tens of millions of people already owning them. This debate is over.
 
2020-09-24 5:46:59 PM  
1 vote:

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.


Take your gun and shove it up your ass, traitor.
 
2020-09-24 5:41:54 PM  
1 vote:

nburghmatt: https://www.instagram.com/p/CFg5ipQBy​Y​y/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

last night in Portland.


Fark around and find out.
 
2020-09-24 5:38:18 PM  
1 vote:

vestona22: Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.

They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"

From what I'm reading I wouldn't say he lied.  But his justification for the warrant was really farking thin.  It amounts to Walker was previously charged for drugs, the cops saw him at her apartment, so it must be full of drugs and drug money.  Oh and he once got a package delivered to her apartment that the cops have no idea what it was so it must have been drugs.

And the fact that the judge approved 5 warrants in 12 minutes tells me she didn't scrutinize them much if at all.  If I were the judge I would have wanted more than that for at least that one.

So this is legitimate discussion.  (Not the "all cops are bad, racist, etc.")  I've read that the warrant was kind of sketchy, but haven't had time to get the details.  The reason I'm so harsh on the "all cops are bad" crowd is that they accomplish nothing.  Taking a hard look on how warrants are approved and (more importantly) executed would be a good thing.  And, as I've said repeatedly in the past, qualified immunity needs to be rolled back.  Rioting is counter-productive.


If there isn't a riot, the protest doesn't make the news or make any change.
 
2020-09-24 5:26:28 PM  
1 vote:

EvilElecBlanket: Pope Larry II: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

If only there were body cam footage we'd know what really happened. It's a shame it went missing.

Agreed, but the AG said it was confirmed by an independent witness. Every cop should have a body cam.


A single mystery anonymous witness according to the pigs, who never lie. All the rest of her neighbors heard the whole thing and said they didn't announce themselves. Even after Breonna and her boyfriend repeatedly shouted "who's there?".
 
2020-09-24 5:01:43 PM  
1 vote:

g.fro: fireclown: It seems to me that once again, the problem is Dave Grossman.  Those police officers were trained to react to danger by immediately killing any threat.  They could have done a few things:  Retreated to cover (not concealment) and calling for backup leaps to mind.  But they had been trained to respond with a fusillade.  Not to back the eff up and cover the exits, not to call into the house, not to protect the lives of those around them, but to start slinging lead like it was DaNang in '68.  That wasn't an accident.  We made them that way.  And Dave Effing Grossman trained them that way.

Dave Grossman needs to go back to the USMC where he belongs and stop training police officers.

I would like to take this opportunity to once again point out that Dave Grossman is a piece of shiat poseur who never saw combat in his military career.

And as much as I would like to blame him on the USMC, he was an Army infantry officer.


I was mistaken, and I apologize.  I think we agree on about 75% of my post though.
 
2020-09-24 5:00:25 PM  
1 vote:

AwfulObject: A mistaken killing is a manslaughter.  That's the charge they should have gotten. Just because your the tip of the sword doesn't excuse your part in the cut - you're part of the apparatus that's supposed to execute the collective will of the people.


I'm still hesitant on this part.  I do know these guys get into a room and plan.  They (usually) don't just grab guns and bust a door down.  They talk about who they're looking for and what they're looking for and all the other details.
Someone got up in front of that room with everyone involved and lazily or negligently or maliciously got important details wrong, and now people - including two cops last night - are hurt or dead.
That's a person who should be working on a fishing boat a thousand miles away to avoid investigation and jailtime.  But apparently he has nothing to worry about.
I guess in your metaphor, I'd rather see the handle of the sword in jail.
 
2020-09-24 4:27:38 PM  
1 vote:

vestona22: Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.


Well the cops own information makes it clear the cops saw TB place as stash house. So she wasn't dealing.
Next, the man shooting at the police was legally carrying.
People who still have the right to carry don't knowingly stay at trap houses or stash houses.
Next, how is it the cops claim to know packages are being picked up and delivered but don't know a legal gun owner visits and stays over night?
Next, BT would be in a good position to flip, so why would she resist arrest and why would you arrest her in the most provocative manner?
Lastly everything I've said is based on what the police have said not on anything the suspects have said.

Some of you all don't pay any attention and are something.
But....to say more would be c######
🙄
 
2020-09-24 4:16:45 PM  
1 vote:

BeesNuts: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

And lest we forget, the FBI ballistics investigation identified the shooter.  They ignored that because it didn't agree with THEIR labs research because "both labs are well respected" and "no discrepancies in methodology could be identified."

This was the rationale for charging NOBODY in the death of Breonna Taylor.  Since only one bullet was technically fatal, that was the only bullet they were looking for.  They conveniently couldn't find out who shot it.  The FBI could, but whatever, who the fark are the "FBI" anyway?


The same people that apparently allegedly lied about hair identification analysis apparently the science was BS
 
2020-09-24 4:09:42 PM  
1 vote:

nburghmatt: https://www.instagram.com/p/CFg5ipQBy​Y​y/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

last night in Portland.


A beautiful sight. Warms the cockles of my heart, that does.
 
2020-09-24 4:07:14 PM  
1 vote:

BeesNuts: I'm glad they didn't just pump him full of holes and lie about it.  So that's something.


Actually it's the main/whole point.
Shooting/not shooting is a choice.
And, the issue is, at this point we are not allowed to second guess that choice.
I disagree the police are employees and their employers have every right to question why they chose A over B.

Clearly the police and their Fanboys disagree.
 
2020-09-24 3:39:32 PM  
1 vote:
Why would they go ahead and knock on a no-knock warrant?
 
2020-09-24 3:25:26 PM  
1 vote:

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.


Just don't switch positions if D's put 2 and 2 together and start buying guns.
The NRA doesn't like liberals owning guns for damn sure.
 
2020-09-24 3:11:10 PM  
1 vote:
I am not saying it's good to kill cops, just saying I understand why some people feel that way.
 
2020-09-24 2:57:24 PM  
1 vote:

JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.


i'm not sure what part of this story is an advertisement for the benefits of the second amendment.
 
2020-09-24 2:51:59 PM  
1 vote:

Danger Avoid Death: NM Volunteer: Why is it that people with alternative opinions always preface their statements with "I have always been in support of X", and then say things that are definitely not in support of X?  Is this the new "I'm not racist, but..."?

It's not new. What movie/TV show did I see recently where someone said something like "everything before the word 'but' is bullshiat"?


I always liked the Bill Burr; "I'm not racist but [insert group name followed by f*****-up conversation]"
 
2020-09-24 2:44:37 PM  
1 vote:

zeroandjune: Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.

There are no good cops


They all got out of that line of work.
 
2020-09-24 2:30:30 PM  
1 vote:

NM Volunteer: Harlee: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

Are we allowed to mention that the boyfriend thought that the cops were home invaders?

But you forget the Zimmerman Rule: only white people can claim self-defense, never Black people.


To be fair he was a white-hispanic.
 
2020-09-24 2:24:05 PM  
1 vote:

the money is in the banana stand: Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.

If you follow Fark's Homeowner with a Gun Rule, Taylor's boyfriend had a duty to retreat and should have made positive identification of the intruders first, no, he should have been shot at first - then and only then would he have been justified in defending himself against the home invaders. Oh, they're cops? Cue hypocrisy statement.


HE SHOULD HAVE LOUDLY SHOUTED THAT HE FELT "THREATENED" BEFORE HE STOOD HIS GROUND
 
2020-09-24 2:06:52 PM  
1 vote:

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

Can you imagine being such a weak ejaculation of a man that your problem with this case is a man firing on officers kicking down a door at 6 AM serving a warrant at the wrong address, while his naked 25 year old girlfriend stood next to him?


Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.
 
2020-09-24 1:36:23 PM  
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