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2020-09-24 3:28:36 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


Based on one anonymous account
Compared to many more witnesses that actually stepped forward and described what they saw or heard
/ this thread has a lot of derp and a lot of that derp has smart clicks - I'm skeptical
 
2020-09-24 3:39:32 PM  
Why would they go ahead and knock on a no-knock warrant?
 
2020-09-24 3:51:31 PM  

NM Volunteer: Harlee: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

Are we allowed to mention that the boyfriend thought that the cops were home invaders?

But you forget the Zimmerman Rule: only white people can claim self-defense, never Black people.


Except that Kenneth Walker had all charges dropped against him using the "stand your ground" defense. So given that this black man (in this very case) did successfully use a self-defense claim, against the police no less, proves you absolutely wrong.
 
2020-09-24 4:01:40 PM  

fireclown: It seems to me that once again, the problem is Dave Grossman.  Those police officers were trained to react to danger by immediately killing any threat.  They could have done a few things:  Retreated to cover (not concealment) and calling for backup leaps to mind.  But they had been trained to respond with a fusillade.  Not to back the eff up and cover the exits, not to call into the house, not to protect the lives of those around them, but to start slinging lead like it was DaNang in '68.  That wasn't an accident.  We made them that way.  And Dave Effing Grossman trained them that way.

Dave Grossman needs to go back to the USMC where he belongs and stop training police officers.


I would like to take this opportunity to once again point out that Dave Grossman is a piece of shiat poseur who never saw combat in his military career.

And as much as I would like to blame him on the USMC, he was an Army infantry officer.
 
2020-09-24 4:03:08 PM  

thehobbes: Why would they go ahead and knock on a no-knock warrant?


Because they are given the option of no knock should they want to pursue that route. That might change depending on circumstances of the officers issuing the warrant. Nobody is disputing the officers banged on the door. How long they banged on it and if they announced themselves or not is what is in question. You cannot 100% trust anyone's hearsay evidence of what anyone says they did or did not do (officers, neighbors, or Taylor's boyfriend). Saying well, neighbors say they did not announce themselves isn't always the most reliable testimony.
 
2020-09-24 4:04:21 PM  

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


***** ##### &&&&& and #### @@@@ ****!
 
2020-09-24 4:05:00 PM  

thehobbes: Why would they go ahead and knock on a no-knock warrant?


It was symbolism!
 
2020-09-24 4:06:58 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.


Don't hope too hard, because if the Dems ever wised up and started treating the Second Amendment like they claim to treat the other amendments, your side won't win another election.
 
2020-09-24 4:07:14 PM  

BeesNuts: I'm glad they didn't just pump him full of holes and lie about it.  So that's something.


Actually it's the main/whole point.
Shooting/not shooting is a choice.
And, the issue is, at this point we are not allowed to second guess that choice.
I disagree the police are employees and their employers have every right to question why they chose A over B.

Clearly the police and their Fanboys disagree.
 
2020-09-24 4:07:50 PM  

NephilimNexus: Wonder if they bothered to get the right guy or if they just grabbed the first random black person they saw.


This is American nobody cares
 
2020-09-24 4:08:59 PM  

waxbeans: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

***** ##### &&&&& and #### @@@@ ****!


I'll translate those characters:

People are dead because a lazy possibly dirty cop put a warrant in front of a lazy judge and some peon cops executed a terrible warrant and were shot at.  Then the drywall!

now 2 more people are hurt as a result of the combination of police brutality and negligence.

/I got paywalled
 
2020-09-24 4:09:22 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.


Never mind that you can cut off the water and trap the sewage.
But hey why do difficult things when the most simple thing is to kill people
 
2020-09-24 4:09:42 PM  

nburghmatt: https://www.instagram.com/p/CFg5ipQBy​Y​y/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

last night in Portland.


A beautiful sight. Warms the cockles of my heart, that does.
 
2020-09-24 4:10:50 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


And those cops were really trying to handcuff Rodney King and those other cops were just torturing Floyd so that he would get into the vehicle of his own volition
 
2020-09-24 4:11:28 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Patriotism comes in many forms.


Idiots and people void of fear response?
 
2020-09-24 4:12:20 PM  

Chunkybeets: Don't get it..be a creep...involved in creepy things....outrage cause bad things happen to ya

Meanwhile those of us who respect others...don't post comments about wanting people dead or hurt, help their neighbors, stay out of trouble and forbid believe in God....yeah we're the assholes.


Oh yeah religious people are so wanting to help people


Not
 
2020-09-24 4:14:09 PM  
Kenneth Walker, the boyfriend, had a strong enough self-defense case that they dropped charges against him. However, the police were still serving a lawful warrant when they returned fire. That third idiot, who actually got indicted, didn't hit anything. The killing rounds were fired by the other two, one of which had just been shot himself.

I believe that Kenneth Walker believed the cops were intruders. But the cops didn't know that. Shooting back, in that situation, seems more than reasonable.

I just don't see how this would be a murder case and considering that no one would give a flying fark about any of this had Breonna Taylor been anything but black, the whole thing reeks of agenda and deliberate manipulation.

And I farking hate cops most of the time.
 
2020-09-24 4:15:37 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.

Isn't that exactly what happened in Texas last year? A cop lied to get a no-knock warrant, and himself and a few other cops got shot along with two people in the home being killed. I'm still sad the guy in the house only had a revolver. Think what he could've done to those cops with a rifle.


Meanwhile an old lady was killed in her house and a police attempted to frame her after the fact and we only know about this because one of the officers came forward
 
2020-09-24 4:16:45 PM  

BeesNuts: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

And lest we forget, the FBI ballistics investigation identified the shooter.  They ignored that because it didn't agree with THEIR labs research because "both labs are well respected" and "no discrepancies in methodology could be identified."

This was the rationale for charging NOBODY in the death of Breonna Taylor.  Since only one bullet was technically fatal, that was the only bullet they were looking for.  They conveniently couldn't find out who shot it.  The FBI could, but whatever, who the fark are the "FBI" anyway?


The same people that apparently allegedly lied about hair identification analysis apparently the science was BS
 
2020-09-24 4:17:42 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.


Here's some food:
Trump did more on gun control than Obama did.
Joe Biden is traditionally more conservative than Donald Trump.  (Also traditionally smarter and less rapey)

You'll be voting for a guy with an affadavitt for raping a 14 year old, who called veterans losers, who called his voters disgusting people, and now has doctors attributing over 120,000 of the 200,000 COVID deaths to Donald Trump's negligence, and his rhetoric is directly contributing to divisiveness and BLM unrest and bedwetters bringing their guns to pretend they're cleaning up graffiti.
On your level, he's literally sh*tting himself in front of world leaders who shouldn't leave a meeting believing they're more powerful than the US President.

If you're still voting for all that, you're voting for the end.
 
2020-09-24 4:27:38 PM  

vestona22: Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.


Well the cops own information makes it clear the cops saw TB place as stash house. So she wasn't dealing.
Next, the man shooting at the police was legally carrying.
People who still have the right to carry don't knowingly stay at trap houses or stash houses.
Next, how is it the cops claim to know packages are being picked up and delivered but don't know a legal gun owner visits and stays over night?
Next, BT would be in a good position to flip, so why would she resist arrest and why would you arrest her in the most provocative manner?
Lastly everything I've said is based on what the police have said not on anything the suspects have said.

Some of you all don't pay any attention and are something.
But....to say more would be c######
🙄
 
2020-09-24 4:29:20 PM  

waxbeans: ...
Oh yeah religious people are so wanting to help people


Not


United Church of Christ-social justice

Union for Reform Judaism-social justice

Inner-City Muslim Action Network

Just a few I found.
 
2020-09-24 4:30:11 PM  

Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.


LOL

Okay then we should jail the man that shot a woman for knocking on her door
 
2020-09-24 4:49:45 PM  
A mistaken killing is a manslaughter.  That's the charge they should have gotten. Just because your the tip of the sword doesn't excuse your part in the cut - you're part of the apparatus that's supposed to execute the collective will of the people.
 
2020-09-24 5:00:25 PM  

AwfulObject: A mistaken killing is a manslaughter.  That's the charge they should have gotten. Just because your the tip of the sword doesn't excuse your part in the cut - you're part of the apparatus that's supposed to execute the collective will of the people.


I'm still hesitant on this part.  I do know these guys get into a room and plan.  They (usually) don't just grab guns and bust a door down.  They talk about who they're looking for and what they're looking for and all the other details.
Someone got up in front of that room with everyone involved and lazily or negligently or maliciously got important details wrong, and now people - including two cops last night - are hurt or dead.
That's a person who should be working on a fishing boat a thousand miles away to avoid investigation and jailtime.  But apparently he has nothing to worry about.
I guess in your metaphor, I'd rather see the handle of the sword in jail.
 
2020-09-24 5:01:43 PM  

g.fro: fireclown: It seems to me that once again, the problem is Dave Grossman.  Those police officers were trained to react to danger by immediately killing any threat.  They could have done a few things:  Retreated to cover (not concealment) and calling for backup leaps to mind.  But they had been trained to respond with a fusillade.  Not to back the eff up and cover the exits, not to call into the house, not to protect the lives of those around them, but to start slinging lead like it was DaNang in '68.  That wasn't an accident.  We made them that way.  And Dave Effing Grossman trained them that way.

Dave Grossman needs to go back to the USMC where he belongs and stop training police officers.

I would like to take this opportunity to once again point out that Dave Grossman is a piece of shiat poseur who never saw combat in his military career.

And as much as I would like to blame him on the USMC, he was an Army infantry officer.


I was mistaken, and I apologize.  I think we agree on about 75% of my post though.
 
2020-09-24 5:03:53 PM  

AwfulObject: A mistaken killing is a manslaughter.  That's the charge they should have gotten. Just because your the tip of the sword doesn't excuse your part in the cut - you're part of the apparatus that's supposed to execute the collective will of the people.


I'd be ok with manslaughter or negligent homicide... ultimately, there were material defects in the warrant, but they executed the warrant in a manner inconsistent with the warrant itself, and they knew, or reasonably should have known that their reckless disregard for the terms of entry set forth in the warrant was likely to result in death or serious injury.
 
2020-09-24 5:05:56 PM  

fireclown: g.fro: fireclown: It seems to me that once again, the problem is Dave Grossman.  Those police officers were trained to react to danger by immediately killing any threat.  They could have done a few things:  Retreated to cover (not concealment) and calling for backup leaps to mind.  But they had been trained to respond with a fusillade.  Not to back the eff up and cover the exits, not to call into the house, not to protect the lives of those around them, but to start slinging lead like it was DaNang in '68.  That wasn't an accident.  We made them that way.  And Dave Effing Grossman trained them that way.

Dave Grossman needs to go back to the USMC where he belongs and stop training police officers.

I would like to take this opportunity to once again point out that Dave Grossman is a piece of shiat poseur who never saw combat in his military career.

And as much as I would like to blame him on the USMC, he was an Army infantry officer.

I was mistaken, and I apologize.  I think we agree on about 75% of my post though.


I think that's a safe bet.

I thought calling him a piece of shiat made my opinion of him and his 'training' clear.
 
2020-09-24 5:15:54 PM  

NephilimNexus: Wonder if they bothered to get the right guy or if they just grabbed the first random black person they saw.


This is an extremely valid point.
 
2020-09-24 5:26:28 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: Pope Larry II: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

If only there were body cam footage we'd know what really happened. It's a shame it went missing.

Agreed, but the AG said it was confirmed by an independent witness. Every cop should have a body cam.


A single mystery anonymous witness according to the pigs, who never lie. All the rest of her neighbors heard the whole thing and said they didn't announce themselves. Even after Breonna and her boyfriend repeatedly shouted "who's there?".
 
2020-09-24 5:34:00 PM  

Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.


Your narrative omits the part where Breonna and her boyfriend repeatedly shout "who's there?". If the police wanted to identify themselves they could have.
 
2020-09-24 5:37:00 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.

If you follow Fark's Homeowner with a Gun Rule, Taylor's boyfriend had a duty to retreat and should have made positive identification of the intruders first, no, he should have been shot at first - then and only then would he have been justified in defending himself against the home invaders. Oh, they're cops? Cue hypocrisy statement.


Generously taking your statement at face value, I believe the so called duty to retreat only applies in some states. In other states, if someone is invading your home, that's a greenlight to light them up.
 
2020-09-24 5:38:18 PM  

vestona22: Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.

They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"

From what I'm reading I wouldn't say he lied.  But his justification for the warrant was really farking thin.  It amounts to Walker was previously charged for drugs, the cops saw him at her apartment, so it must be full of drugs and drug money.  Oh and he once got a package delivered to her apartment that the cops have no idea what it was so it must have been drugs.

And the fact that the judge approved 5 warrants in 12 minutes tells me she didn't scrutinize them much if at all.  If I were the judge I would have wanted more than that for at least that one.

So this is legitimate discussion.  (Not the "all cops are bad, racist, etc.")  I've read that the warrant was kind of sketchy, but haven't had time to get the details.  The reason I'm so harsh on the "all cops are bad" crowd is that they accomplish nothing.  Taking a hard look on how warrants are approved and (more importantly) executed would be a good thing.  And, as I've said repeatedly in the past, qualified immunity needs to be rolled back.  Rioting is counter-productive.


If there isn't a riot, the protest doesn't make the news or make any change.
 
2020-09-24 5:41:54 PM  

nburghmatt: https://www.instagram.com/p/CFg5ipQBy​Y​y/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

last night in Portland.


Fark around and find out.
 
2020-09-24 5:45:50 PM  

adamatari: Also, the correct procedure for the cops in this case: wait for someone to answer the farking door like a civilized human being.

The illegitimate nature of the warrant IS relevant - because it shows the illegitimate nature of the entire system that led to this murder. We have millions in prison, far more than any other country that calls itself "free", and our prison system barely even pretends to rehabilitate people.

Even if you claim they all deserve to be in prison, you've got to explain why American society is so broken that it can't operate without a prison system rivaled only by the old soviet gulags.

The thing is rotten root and branch.


We have more people in prison than ANY country in the world. Even China. And that's not only by percentage of population, but TOTAL numbers.

Land of the free my ass.

Land of the for profit prison more like.
 
2020-09-24 5:45:50 PM  

Medic Zero: If there isn't a riot, the protest doesn't make the news or make any change.


There have been riots around police brutality every couple of years for as long as I can remember. Not a single one of them has accomplish fark all.
 
2020-09-24 5:46:59 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.


Take your gun and shove it up your ass, traitor.
 
2020-09-24 5:53:26 PM  

waxbeans: vestona22: Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.

Well the cops own information makes it clear the cops saw TB place as stash house. So she wasn't dealing.
Next, the man shooting at the police was legally carrying.
People who still have the right to carry don't knowingly stay at trap houses or stash houses.
Next, how is it the cops claim to know packages are being picked up and delivered but don't know a legal gun owner visits and stays over night?
Next, BT would be in a good position to flip, so why would she resist arrest and why would you arrest her in the most provocative manner?
Lastly everything I've said is based on what the police have said not on anything the suspects have said.

Some of you all don't pay any attention and are something.
But....to say more would be c######
🙄


The deliveries were clothes and shoes. The police trying to say Amazon deliveries are drug drops is ridiculous.
 
2020-09-24 5:56:46 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Medic Zero: If there isn't a riot, the protest doesn't make the news or make any change.

There have been riots around police brutality every couple of years for as long as I can remember. Not a single one of them has accomplish fark all.


For one thing, several cities are at the very least making noises about shifting some police funding to things that make more sense.
 
2020-09-24 6:01:43 PM  

JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.

Just don't switch positions if D's put 2 and 2 together and start buying guns.
The NRA doesn't like liberals owning guns for damn sure.


The NRA just wants to sell guns and ammo. They have died to most of the right-winger the last few years.
 
2020-09-24 6:11:12 PM  

Medic Zero: Your narrative omits the part where Breonna and her boyfriend repeatedly shout "who's there?". If the police wanted to identify themselves they could have.


I wasn't actually aware of that, although that does make sense.

Anyways, the cops farked up no matter what, because even during a no knock raid, they are supposed to yell something like "Police We Have a Search Warrant" very clearly while kicking in the door, specifically to prevent this sort of incident.  But does the lack of doing so (intentional or not) cause them to lose self defense status once the apartment occupant starts shooting?  I suppose you could make that argument, but I seriously doubt it's a winning one.  It strikes me as the way to a hung jury at best.
 
2020-09-24 6:12:24 PM  
Dems have have tried for years by votes and sit-ins to outlaw "assault weapons." This is ridiculous with tens of millions of people already owning them. This debate is over.
 
2020-09-24 6:27:02 PM  

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


You just said it and there were absolutely no consequences. Will that in any way slow down the ridiculous posturing from the right about being oppressed by imaginary leftist tyrants? Somehow I doubt it.
 
2020-09-24 6:50:08 PM  

Magnanimous_J: I believe that Kenneth Walker believed the cops were intruders. But the cops didn't know that.


Are they morons, then? Because this probability about 'no-knock' raids has been pointed out to police services since they first got permission to try one.

Magnanimous_J: I just don't see how this would be a murder case and considering that no one would give a flying fark about any of this had Breonna Taylor been anything but black, the whole thing reeks of agenda and deliberate manipulation.


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2020-09-24 7:13:44 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: The NRA just wants to sell guns and ammo. They have died to most of the right-winger the last few years.


The NRA is corrupt, bloated and soft. Pretty much what you'd expect from the oldest civil rights organization in America. Peter principle says 100% of NRA posts are held by people at their level of incompetence.

Still worth supporting, but join GOA too.
 
2020-09-24 7:21:45 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.


The hell they did. They bullied 1 witness in 12 to say they did.
 
2020-09-24 7:35:25 PM  

Medic Zero: waxbeans: vestona22: Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.

Well the cops own information makes it clear the cops saw TB place as stash house. So she wasn't dealing.
Next, the man shooting at the police was legally carrying.
People who still have the right to carry don't knowingly stay at trap houses or stash houses.
Next, how is it the cops claim to know packages are being picked up and delivered but don't know a legal gun owner visits and stays over night?
Next, BT would be in a good position to flip, so why would she resist arrest and why would you arrest her in the most provocative manner?
Lastly everything I've said is based on what the police have said not on anything the suspects have said.

Some of you all don't pay any attention and are something.
But....to say more would be c######
🙄

The deliveries were clothes and shoes. The police trying to say Amazon deliveries are drug drops is ridiculous.


Must be a HUUUUGE epidemic of drug deliveries by Amazon right now. Are they allowed to deliver drugs?
 
2020-09-24 7:40:08 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

Considering themselves the Master Race doesn't make cops a race.


It does make them a  social class that works for the Elites of society, and they're trying to really hard to make this a race war. Divide and conquer. This is about power and the Elites are winning by provocation.
 
2020-09-24 7:41:30 PM  

Medic Zero: waxbeans: vestona22: Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.

Well the cops own information makes it clear the cops saw TB place as stash house. So she wasn't dealing.
Next, the man shooting at the police was legally carrying.
People who still have the right to carry don't knowingly stay at trap houses or stash houses.
Next, how is it the cops claim to know packages are being picked up and delivered but don't know a legal gun owner visits and stays over night?
Next, BT would be in a good position to flip, so why would she resist arrest and why would you arrest her in the most provocative manner?
Lastly everything I've said is based on what the police have said not on anything the suspects have said.

Some of you all don't pay any attention and are something.
But....to say more would be c######
🙄

The deliveries were clothes and shoes. The police trying to say Amazon deliveries are drug drops is ridiculous.


My point is
Even if I believe what the cops claimed they was thinking.
In their own words.

I still have issue with the end results.

It doesn't make sense.
And no one should be defending it.
I try to tear down people's stories using their own facts.
And using the police statements I try to follow their narrative that they claim but their statements and their narrative they're trying to paint don't fit.


Much like the OJ Simpson case Marcia Clark painted OJ Simpson as a hot head they would get upset and violent and act out.
That was her contention.
Okay using your own contention substantiate your contention.
what does she do she shows OJ being friendly with someone he allegedly kills hours later.
That would be okay if he showed another interaction in between and claimed that they got into a fight at that point.
But that's not what happened.
If you examine what people say and then see if it actually makes sense that is where you find the cracks in the story.

They clearly thought that girl's house was a stash House.

But if that was the case a guy who could legally carry would not be hanging out there.

I saw they thought it was a trap house they would have knocked down the door differently.
I use only the information the cops provide  then I see if it fits reality.


Same thing with the Epstein case I don't see any reason why you would kill himself it doesn't fit the pattern of an individual like himself.
 
2020-09-24 7:47:25 PM  

AngryDragon: He was such a good boy!
He was getting his life together!
Institutional racism!
Peaceful protests!

Hypocrisy.  Both sides.  This has gone beyond ridiculous.


Your brain is a musty and boring place.
 
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