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2020-09-24 2:00:28 PM  
Getting rid of no-knock raids and arresting people outside of their home would fix a lot of this crap. Grab the person as they leave their job or the grocery store, and then raid their place.
 
2020-09-24 2:01:14 PM  

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


Can you imagine being such a weak ejaculation of a man that your problem with this case is a man firing on officers kicking down a door at 6 AM serving a warrant at the wrong address, while his naked 25 year old girlfriend stood next to him?
 
2020-09-24 2:03:37 PM  
Probably a good time to remind everyone - please don't feed the trolls.
Even if you mean well. Even if you have a GREAT point.

Just don't do it.

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2020-09-24 2:05:24 PM  

vestona22: HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.


Considering themselves the Master Race doesn't make cops a race.
 
2020-09-24 2:06:05 PM  

ElecricalPast: Probably a good time to remind everyone - please don't feed the trolls.
Even if you mean well. Even if you have a GREAT point.

Just don't do it.

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Just block the obvious trolls...much better
 
2020-09-24 2:06:52 PM  

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

Can you imagine being such a weak ejaculation of a man that your problem with this case is a man firing on officers kicking down a door at 6 AM serving a warrant at the wrong address, while his naked 25 year old girlfriend stood next to him?


Actually it was just after midnight.  They were at the right address.  And she wasn't standing next to him naked.

But you're obviously well informed.
 
2020-09-24 2:10:09 PM  

vestona22: HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.


The weirdest thing about your kind is the only way you can discuss or debate is by taking what other people said, change a couple of words, then echo it back. Did you learn from the Jack Chick School of Discussion?
 
2020-09-24 2:11:21 PM  
Why is it that people with alternative opinions always preface their statements with "I have always been in support of X", and then say things that are definitely not in support of X?  Is this the new "I'm not racist, but..."?
 
2020-09-24 2:11:41 PM  
They can make a fast arrest when they want to.
 
2020-09-24 2:13:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.

They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"


From what I'm reading I wouldn't say he lied.  But his justification for the warrant was really farking thin.  It amounts to Walker was previously charged for drugs, the cops saw him at her apartment, so it must be full of drugs and drug money.  Oh and he once got a package delivered to her apartment that the cops have no idea what it was so it must have been drugs.

And the fact that the judge approved 5 warrants in 12 minutes tells me she didn't scrutinize them much if at all.  If I were the judge I would have wanted more than that for at least that one.
 
2020-09-24 2:13:48 PM  

NM Volunteer: Why is it that people with alternative opinions always preface their statements with "I have always been in support of X", and then say things that are definitely not in support of X?  Is this the new "I'm not racist, but..."?


It's not new. What movie/TV show did I see recently where someone said something like "everything before the word 'but' is bullshiat"?
 
2020-09-24 2:14:30 PM  
I thought we had to wait months for a grand jury to decide what charges are filed?
 
2020-09-24 2:14:48 PM  

Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.


However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.
 
2020-09-24 2:16:19 PM  
"standing your ground" is only for white people.
 
2020-09-24 2:17:39 PM  

gar1013: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

According to the DA, there was a knock.


it goes:
*knock*
One Mississ...
*door gets knocked down*
 
2020-09-24 2:18:28 PM  
It seems to me that once again, the problem is Dave Grossman.  Those police officers were trained to react to danger by immediately killing any threat.  They could have done a few things:  Retreated to cover (not concealment) and calling for backup leaps to mind.  But they had been trained to respond with a fusillade.  Not to back the eff up and cover the exits, not to call into the house, not to protect the lives of those around them, but to start slinging lead like it was DaNang in '68.  That wasn't an accident.  We made them that way.  And Dave Effing Grossman trained them that way.

Dave Grossman needs to go back to the USMC where he belongs and stop training police officers.
 
2020-09-24 2:19:01 PM  

Agarista: the body cam footage will show if there was a knock  :)


Which is why the public will never see it.
 
2020-09-24 2:20:01 PM  

Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.


If you follow Fark's Homeowner with a Gun Rule, Taylor's boyfriend had a duty to retreat and should have made positive identification of the intruders first, no, he should have been shot at first - then and only then would he have been justified in defending himself against the home invaders. Oh, they're cops? Cue hypocrisy statement.
 
2020-09-24 2:21:01 PM  

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


Good thing they had those body cameras on to back this up amirite
 
2020-09-24 2:22:22 PM  

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


Are we allowed to mention that the boyfriend thought that the cops were home invaders?
 
2020-09-24 2:23:20 PM  

Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.

They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"

From what I'm reading I wouldn't say he lied.  But his justification for the warrant was really farking thin.  It amounts to Walker was previously charged for drugs, the cops saw him at her apartment, so it must be full of drugs and drug money.  Oh and he once got a package delivered to her apartment that the cops have no idea what it was so it must have been drugs.

And the fact that the judge approved 5 warrants in 12 minutes tells me she didn't scrutinize them much if at all.  If I were the judge I would have wanted more than that for at least that one.


So this is legitimate discussion.  (Not the "all cops are bad, racist, etc.")  I've read that the warrant was kind of sketchy, but haven't had time to get the details.  The reason I'm so harsh on the "all cops are bad" crowd is that they accomplish nothing.  Taking a hard look on how warrants are approved and (more importantly) executed would be a good thing.  And, as I've said repeatedly in the past, qualified immunity needs to be rolled back.  Rioting is counter-productive.
 
2020-09-24 2:23:42 PM  

Harlee: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

Are we allowed to mention that the boyfriend thought that the cops were home invaders?


But you forget the Zimmerman Rule: only white people can claim self-defense, never Black people.
 
2020-09-24 2:23:43 PM  

NephilimNexus: Agarista: the body cam footage will show if there was a knock  :)

Which is why the public will never see it.


Maybe you missed it, but the officers serving the warrant were not wearing body cams at the time. Responding officers later to the scene were so we have the aftermath documented, but not the actual events.

It should be farking mandatory when you are serving a warrant that you wear a body cam. The only reason I can think of they wouldn't is because typically dead men tell no tales and the police are going to almost always be given the benefit of doubt as far as how the justice system looks at things.
 
2020-09-24 2:24:05 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Geotpf: Ragin' Asian: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

According to one witness who changed their story at least twice. Twelve others maintain they heard nothing until shots rang out.

However, everybody agrees the cops did, in fact, knock several times.  Therefore, this wasn't actually a No Knock raid (no matter what the paperwork said), but functioned as if it was a normal warrant.  Banning no knock warrants would do nothing to prevent this scenario in the future.

1. Cops knock.  They may (or may not) have shouted "Police!" at this point.
2. Taylor and her boyfriend hear the knocking (but not "Police!") and get out of bed.  Her boyfriend grabs his gun.
3. The two of them are in the hallway together when the cops stop knocking and start breaking down the door.
4. Taylor's boyfriend fires one shot at the cops, thinking they are burglars.
5. Two of the cops fire back in the direction of the couple, where they were fired upon.  Taylor gets hit six times.
6. The third cops flips the fark out, runs outside, and fires at a random window in the apartment.  His bullets go nowhere near the couple but go through the window, into the wall, and into another apartment.

The first two cops were taking fire and fired in the direction they took the fire.  Therefore, self defense, no charges.  Basically, both the cops and Taylor's boyfriend had valid self defense claims.  These cops should have been fired or disciplined for not being more clear in announcing they were police, but not doing that probably isn't criminal (but did trigger the shootout).

The third cop fired in a random direction and could have hit somebody else.  Therefore, he was fired from his job and was charged with the "wonton" charge.

The fact that the warrant probably wasn't valid in the first place doesn't matter in the criminal case because none of the cops on the scene were involved with writing it up; they were just given a task to do by others with limited (and incorrect) information.

If you follow Fark's Homeowner with a Gun Rule, Taylor's boyfriend had a duty to retreat and should have made positive identification of the intruders first, no, he should have been shot at first - then and only then would he have been justified in defending himself against the home invaders. Oh, they're cops? Cue hypocrisy statement.


HE SHOULD HAVE LOUDLY SHOUTED THAT HE FELT "THREATENED" BEFORE HE STOOD HIS GROUND
 
2020-09-24 2:25:33 PM  
DNRTFA but I hope it was the cops who lied to the judge to get the no-knock warrant.   If not, might I suggest burning their houses down?
 
2020-09-24 2:26:39 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.


also, they weren't at a drug dealer's house.
 
2020-09-24 2:27:31 PM  

Graffito: EvilElecBlanket: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

No-knock raids should never happen, but the AG said the cops did announce themselves.

Well then.. As long as they said (pinky swear) they announced themselves it's all good.


Why don't we just check the body cam foota.... oh wait.
 
2020-09-24 2:27:55 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: It should be farking mandatory when you are serving a warrant that you wear a body cam. The only reason I can think of they wouldn't is because typically dead men tell no tales and the police are going to almost always be given the benefit of doubt as far as how the justice system looks at things.


Tots agree.  I also think no-knock, midnight warrants need to be reserved for the worst of the worst.  No reason the PD couldn't have just waited until morning and arrested the dude on his way out.
 
2020-09-24 2:30:30 PM  

NM Volunteer: Harlee: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

Are we allowed to mention that the boyfriend thought that the cops were home invaders?

But you forget the Zimmerman Rule: only white people can claim self-defense, never Black people.


To be fair he was a white-hispanic.
 
2020-09-24 2:34:57 PM  
Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.
 
2020-09-24 2:36:32 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: NephilimNexus: Agarista: the body cam footage will show if there was a knock  :)

Which is why the public will never see it.

Maybe you missed it, but the officers serving the warrant were not wearing body cams at the time. Responding officers later to the scene were so we have the aftermath documented, but not the actual events.

It should be farking mandatory when you are serving a warrant that you wear a body cam. The only reason I can think of they wouldn't is because typically dead men tell no tales and the police are going to almost always be given the benefit of doubt as far as how the justice system looks at things.


Maybe you missed it.  The cops were wearing body cameras when photographed after the murder.  Stop lying.
 
2020-09-24 2:37:24 PM  

jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.


So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.
 
2020-09-24 2:39:37 PM  

Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Callous: Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.

They had a warrant, so as the law is currently written they did have legal right to enter and execute the warrant.  Their method is what's being debated.  If he had no idea who they were because he couldn't hear their announcement that's a huge problem.  And why I'm opposed to no-knock warrants.

They also lied to obtain the warrant. It kind of renders it a useless piece of paper, even if "legitimate"

From what I'm reading I wouldn't say he lied.  But his justification for the warrant was really farking thin.  It amounts to Walker was previously charged for drugs, the cops saw him at her apartment, so it must be full of drugs and drug money.  Oh and he once got a package delivered to her apartment that the cops have no idea what it was so it must have been drugs.

And the fact that the judge approved 5 warrants in 12 minutes tells me she didn't scrutinize them much if at all.  If I were the judge I would have wanted more than that for at least that one.


they were listening to jailhouse phone calls and expected to find cash for the boyfriend's bail money in the house.

they killed her in their attempt to steal cash under the guise of confiscating drug money.
 
2020-09-24 2:43:29 PM  

Begoggle: ElecricalPast: Begoggle: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

You can lie about whatever you want, there's no law against that.

I fail to see the lie here...
The boyfriend admitted to shooting first.
He shot first because he thought someone was breaking into his house in the middle of the night.

Yes - he shot first. He said so. No lie there.

Oh that's a little more information.
He shot at some cops who were breaking into his home and had no right to do so.
Interesting.


It's the ultimate battle: The Castle Doctrine vs No-Knock Raids
 
2020-09-24 2:44:05 PM  

JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.


Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.
 
2020-09-24 2:44:37 PM  

zeroandjune: Rucker10: It sucks that potentially good cops(?) might potentially be harmed because their bad colleagues have a lot to answer for. If I were in that position I'd probably get out of that line of work.

There are no good cops


They all got out of that line of work.
 
2020-09-24 2:48:53 PM  
Just have the government nuke Louisville.  Problem solved.
 
2020-09-24 2:51:59 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: NM Volunteer: Why is it that people with alternative opinions always preface their statements with "I have always been in support of X", and then say things that are definitely not in support of X?  Is this the new "I'm not racist, but..."?

It's not new. What movie/TV show did I see recently where someone said something like "everything before the word 'but' is bullshiat"?


I always liked the Bill Burr; "I'm not racist but [insert group name followed by f*****-up conversation]"
 
2020-09-24 2:52:21 PM  
 
2020-09-24 2:57:24 PM  

JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.


i'm not sure what part of this story is an advertisement for the benefits of the second amendment.
 
2020-09-24 2:59:32 PM  

vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?


Kentucky is a stand your ground state. They were breaking down his door. https://www.usconcealedcarry.co​m/blog/​kentucky-gun-laws-what-you-should-know​/#:~:text=Kentucky%20is%20a%20Castle%2​0Doctrine%20state%20and%20has,right%20​to%20be%20has%20no%20duty%20to%20retre​at.
 
2020-09-24 3:01:42 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.


I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.
 
2020-09-24 3:03:15 PM  
Just gonna post an old civil war song here, while you guess debate the ethics of who gets to shoot who:

John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave
His truth is marching on
 
2020-09-24 3:07:44 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: vestona22: HotWingConspiracy: The weirdest thing about conservative cop loving racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

The weirdest thing about liberal cop hating racists is how touchy they get when people point out that they're racists.

Oh goodness, why are you personally addressing this comment?


Seems he's a bit touchy.
 
2020-09-24 3:11:10 PM  
I am not saying it's good to kill cops, just saying I understand why some people feel that way.
 
2020-09-24 3:18:58 PM  
Also, the correct procedure for the cops in this case: wait for someone to answer the farking door like a civilized human being.

The illegitimate nature of the warrant IS relevant - because it shows the illegitimate nature of the entire system that led to this murder. We have millions in prison, far more than any other country that calls itself "free", and our prison system barely even pretends to rehabilitate people.

Even if you claim they all deserve to be in prison, you've got to explain why American society is so broken that it can't operate without a prison system rivaled only by the old soviet gulags.

The thing is rotten root and branch.
 
2020-09-24 3:20:51 PM  

JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.


I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.
 
2020-09-24 3:24:41 PM  

brizzle365: Danger Avoid Death: vestona22: Was he shot at first?  'Cause the police involved in the Breonna Taylor shooting were shot at first by her boyfriend.  Or are we not allowed to mention that?

If we're also allowed to mention that no-knock warrants should NOT be a thing in this country and the whole incident happened because the police broke into someone's house in the dead of night without identifying themselves first because in the grand scheme of all things American, a woman's life isn't nearly as important as not allowing drug dealers the time to flush their drugs down the toilet.

Pretty common misconception from the movies and TV shows. Drugs do not just flush down the toilet. If you pour it out of the container/baggie in to the toilet bowl, shiats just gonna float around and still be there. If you ditch the baggie and all, you create a clog and they will just snake it out anyway. Its possible that you do a good job of contaminating the sample, but then they will just get you for obstruction and/or destruction of evidence.


I'm old. I remember, quite clearly, that "drugs being flushed down the toilet" was literally the excuse used to get the no-knock warrant then included in the law. So your point is actually another point in support of doing away with those laws.


That said, no knock raids are and have been pretty dumb, considering how America views guns and the protection of their domicile. Kinda lucky (or unlucky if you hate cops) that more cops didnt wind up dead because of it.

Yep. One of these days they are going to do a 3am raid on some fit and paranoid survivalist SS type with illegal full-auto weapons, handheld artillery of various types, and possibly even boobytrapped doors and windows, and maybe a few trained attack dogs thrown in for good measure. Then we will see maybe 15-20 dead cops and Murica will lose it's mind.


Also, I think its patently stupid and disingenuous that grand jury testimony is sealed. There should always be the upmost transparency from the prosecution, especially towards the public, doubly so when they are itching for an excuse to go bat shiat crazy in the streets because a lot of people believe unsubstantiated reports from TV and/or internet.

But you don't understand. These were BLAH people. You know, not actually people.
 
2020-09-24 3:25:26 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: EvilElecBlanket: JAGChem82: jso2897: Wow. It only took 48 hours of revolution for the American Right to completely reverse it's position on the Second Amendment.
Who ever would have imagined that so-called "conservatives" would turn out to be a bunch of prevaricating, two-faced hypocrites?
Oh, right. Everybody.

So why don't liberals tout the importance of the 2nd like they should? Stop letting right wingers have the monopoly on gun ownership.

Because that would mean the left was wrong about something. That doesn't get many likes on Twitter.

I'm anti-right wing as they get, myself. That being said, it's useless complain about the hypocrisy of right wingers in relation to guns, or anything else in general. Hypocrisy is the essence of conservative politics in general, so if you're expecting them to have strong beliefs on a topic, you're a sucker. They will twist and bend their entire belief system around on the basis of stigginit it to the libs, even if it contradicted what they said 30 seconds ago.

I am right-wing and will be voting for Trump. I just hope after everything that has happened in 2020 that gun control is dead.


Just don't switch positions if D's put 2 and 2 together and start buying guns.
The NRA doesn't like liberals owning guns for damn sure.
 
2020-09-24 3:28:02 PM  
I dont know how I never considered this before, but maybe since conservatives want church and state together but I  highly immoral, want limited government but push for facism, and hate socialism but love bailouts for corporations and wealthy, maybe conservatives are pushing for the right to bare arms because they want their guns taken from them? Maybe it's time we give them their ball ga- I mean give them what they want?
 
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