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2020-09-24 10:34:56 AM  
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2020-09-24 11:19:45 AM  
F*ck it. Let them. Let's get this over with.
 
2020-09-24 11:46:40 AM  
And a few days after the data gets out (assuming a lot here) the administration will argue it's fake data.
 
2020-09-24 12:41:43 PM  
Trump is killing his political rivals.
 
2020-09-24 12:52:33 PM  
Tell your right-wing grandma and gramps that Trump is taking away Medicare funding for the hospital they'll need to go to when their COPD flares up.

Trumpers only understand his shiattiness after the leopard eats their faces. And sometimes, not even then.
 
2020-09-24 1:34:26 PM  
Who needs more evidence of how truly barbaric our health care system is? It's being held hostage by the President over loyalty to him.
 
2020-09-24 1:39:42 PM  

SoupGuru: Trump is killing his political rivals.


He's not that competent. He's just killing as many people as possible and hoping that most are political rivals.
 
2020-09-24 1:40:08 PM  

SoupGuru: Trump is killing his political rivals.


He's also killing his supporters with his superspreader events. He's a madman.
 
2020-09-24 1:40:44 PM  

Kubo: Tell your right-wing grandma and gramps that Trump is taking away Medicare funding for the hospital they'll need to go to when their COPD flares up.

Trumpers only understand his shiattiness after the leopard eats their faces. And sometimes nearly always, not even then.


Remember the farmers newly bankrupt from Trump's trade war, who still believed Trump was going to save them if they gave him some more time.
 
2020-09-24 1:41:23 PM  
If President Hillary was telling hospitals that they'll lose money unless they start reporting all their data, I'd feel pretty confident that she would only do that based on reports from the CDC that they're missing critical information. But since this is President Tittybaby, it's just as likely that he's looking for a bullshiat reason to hurt hospitals in liberal cities.
 
2020-09-24 1:42:23 PM  
The federal government is preparing to crack down aggressively on hospitals for not reporting complete COVID-19 data daily into a federal data system, according to internal documents obtained by NPR.

See, in a sane world, this would be reasonable.

BMulligan: He's not that competent. He's just killing as many people as possible and hoping that most are political rivals.


I'm not sure he's even bothering to hope.
 
2020-09-24 1:42:50 PM  
There's a horse in the hospital
 
2020-09-24 1:44:20 PM  
"You better report your numbers so I can misreport them!!"

did I miss anything?
 
2020-09-24 1:48:15 PM  

kumanoki: There's a horse in the hospital


Horse is presumed benign in that story.

Clearly not the case here.
 
2020-09-24 1:48:30 PM  
I know I sent it in. It's on the same folder as your income tax records.
 
2020-09-24 1:48:42 PM  

SoupGuru: Trump is killing his political rivals.


And supporters

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2020-09-24 1:48:52 PM  
As part of the justification for the switch to the new system, then-HHS chief spokesperson Michael Caputo complained that the CDC's voluntary reporting system provided data from only 85% of hospitals. "[T]he President's COVID response requires 100 percent to report," he wrote in a statement to NPR in mid-July. "

What COVID response?
 
2020-09-24 1:49:23 PM  
Wait...he'll withhold funds if they 'don't' report data? I would have figured the opposite. This must be where he wants them to all fax it in to one room where some trump lick-spittle sits and massages and trashes most of the data.

University hospitals who report data and receive lots of federal grants and funds are going to have to tell trump to get f***ed pretty quick. Technically his stupid thought to withhold money from any system that teaches diversity or whatever will hit Universities hard also. They have whole departments and staff devoted to that kind of thing. Now he's gonna hold funds if they don't send all data to the stupider (if possible) version of Eric to destroy? Universities should be planning to go ham on this moron
 
2020-09-24 1:50:32 PM  

Jelly Bean Raider: "You better report your numbers so I can misreport them!!"

did I miss anything?


Also, "You better report your supplies so I can have Jared direct the feds to seize those supplies, give them to a third party, then have that third party sell the seized supplies back to the hospitals at blackmail rates."
 
2020-09-24 1:51:10 PM  
Didn't Michael Caputo have a nervous breakdown? Maybe Trump handling his dirty work will hasten that massive stroke I've been hoping he has.
 
2020-09-24 1:51:11 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Who needs more evidence of how truly barbaric our health care system is? It's being held hostage by the President over loyalty to him.


Isn't this a better indication of how barbaric our President is?

/Politics as religion
//This is what it looks like
///Not saying that our healthcare system does not need serious state intervention.
 
2020-09-24 1:51:34 PM  
So, the administration is basically giving the CDC the Stormy Daniels treatment, except we're the one's getting farked.
 
2020-09-24 1:52:16 PM  
So now you people are mad that Trump is trying to force hospitals to provide accurate COVID numbers?
 
2020-09-24 1:52:20 PM  

BMulligan: SoupGuru: Trump is killing his political rivals.

He's not that competent. He's just killing as many people as possible and hoping that most are political rivals.


Yep. Stalin-style, complete with stealing aid.
 
2020-09-24 1:53:03 PM  
While I actually agree that hospitals need to report things in a timely fashion, as usual Trump farks it up. The real telling thing is in the last few paragraphs, namely that this rigid requirement makes inaccuracies more likely.

But what this REALLY is ... It's a way to make everyone be out of compliance so that Trump can arbitrarily decide who gets federal money. It's like making weed illegal and leaving it at the officers discretion as to who gets punished and lo and behold the prisons are full of black and hispanic people.  Trump wants to be able to punish the west coast and the North East and this is a way to do it.
 
2020-09-24 1:54:51 PM  
The pending update to the reporting guidelines will only require the supply data once a week. However, draft documents show the newest guidelines would add several questions about influenza patients such as the number admitted to the hospital with flu, the number of flu patients in intensive care unit beds and the number of patients confirmed to have both flu and COVID-19. This information may be required to be reported daily from late October, according to a draft document.

Sounds like shenanigans to me. Somehow the flu will kill more than COVID this year.
 
2020-09-24 1:55:15 PM  
The hospitals should just c.c. the CDC the results, lol.

HHS wants control of the info badly - so that Azar can suppress or manipulate it, without having their messaging (this is fine.jpg) contradicted by the CDC. They're trying to dress it up like the CDC is incompetent and unreliable, all of a sudden, for which the opposite is true, of course.
 
2020-09-24 1:56:02 PM  

Lucky LaRue: So now you people are mad that Trump is trying to force hospitals to provide accurate COVID numbers?


This is what I like in a president - consistent and clear messaging.
 
2020-09-24 1:56:28 PM  
In addition to threatening hospitals' funding over COVID numbers, this is also looking for PPE inventory updates. Given the federal seizure of the PPE in the supply chain* to kick off the administration's virus response, can seizure from hospitals be next?

How many more people need to be Caputo'd to stop this?

* Hate to make this thread political, but a quick reminder for those still on the fence: the guy that gives himself an A+ response to the virus actually used federal forces to seize materials heading to hospitals, turning it over to newly created private firms to auction off. If that sounds reasonable/safe/good early response to you, you will have an easy decision at the ballot box!
 
2020-09-24 2:00:53 PM  
Like Cersei Lannister not showing up for the trial and blowing up the court, these guys are NOT planning on losing.  How are the Russians able to fake their vote? Is the intel community already on this? I know they e been warning us, but they need to do something to prevent fraud this time.
 
2020-09-24 2:03:18 PM  

special20: Didn't Michael Caputo have a nervous breakdown? Maybe Trump handling his dirty work will hasten that massive stroke I've been hoping he has.


Not at all -> he just got caught intimidating people at CDC, so self-announced a paid vacation.

Real crazy behavior targeting specific people in the office doing their jobs (like a press woman confirming the existence of a program already announced, but to CNN), and more broadly accusing the CDC staff of sedition.
 
2020-09-24 2:04:12 PM  

rudemix: Wait...he'll withhold funds if they 'don't' report data? I would have figured the opposite. This must be where he wants them to all fax it in to one room where some trump lick-spittle sits and massages and trashes most of the data.

University hospitals who report data and receive lots of federal grants and funds are going to have to tell trump to get f***ed pretty quick. Technically his stupid thought to withhold money from any system that teaches diversity or whatever will hit Universities hard also. They have whole departments and staff devoted to that kind of thing. Now he's gonna hold funds if they don't send all data to the stupider (if possible) version of Eric to destroy? Universities should be planning to go ham on this moron


If you look at the flow chart its: WH>HHS>CDC

Trump can't shape a favorable narrative if the data is reported to the CDC. By exising the CDC, and painting them as incompetent, it justifies cutting them out of the loop altogether - and they want this to happen immediately, and they're willing to excercise a nuclear option to obtain immediate compliance, despite not providing and resources for the logistics. The want that data, Morty!

If I piss in your ear and tell you it's raining, I lose credibility if a climatologist weighs in simultaneously and advises otherwise. That's Trump, all day, for almost 4 years - the process of bringing the entire federal government into that type of paradigm is only just beginning.
 
2020-09-24 2:06:54 PM  
FTA: "Terminating hospitals' Medicare participation is like a death sentence, financially, for a hospital."

So hospitals can't exist without socialism.

Good to know.
 
2020-09-24 2:16:54 PM  

Lucky LaRue: So now you people are mad that Trump is trying to force hospitals to provide accurate COVID numbers?


Son, people can see you.
 
2020-09-24 2:20:25 PM  

Blathering Idjut: As part of the justification for the switch to the new system, then-HHS chief spokesperson Michael Caputo complained that the CDC's voluntary reporting system provided data from only 85% of hospitals. "[T]he President's COVID response requires 100 percent to report," he wrote in a statement to NPR in mid-July. "

What COVID response?


Stealing PPE to disappear it to middlemen for sale at a profit, while thinking that only Blue states will suffer if you ignore it and propagandize it as a hoax is a ~kind~ of response.

How much of this bullshiat do we need to not just watch and acknowledge, but see active proof of, before we start burning shiat down?
 
2020-09-24 2:20:32 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: He's also killing his supporters with his superspreader events.


🤞

To boot, if a Biden White House decides certain states should be delayed access to a COVID cure/vaccine should one be developed, including in my Confederate wanna-be home state of Kentuckistan, I'd be a little sore, but I'd also understand.
 
2020-09-24 2:24:05 PM  

NotTheBestDad: kumanoki: There's a horse kelpie in the hospital

Horse is presumed benign in that story.

Clearly not the case here.


Better?
 
2020-09-24 2:41:51 PM  

NotTheBestDad: special20: Didn't Michael Caputo have a nervous breakdown? Maybe Trump handling his dirty work will hasten that massive stroke I've been hoping he has.

Not at all -> he just got caught intimidating people at CDC, so self-announced a paid vacation.

Real crazy behavior targeting specific people in the office doing their jobs (like a press woman confirming the existence of a program already announced, but to CNN), and more broadly accusing the CDC staff of sedition.


When it comes to stories like that, I am reminded of the Maj. Frank Burns character from the old M*A*S*H TV series.

Such a tight ass personality is likely a man who shiats tiny ribbons.
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2020-09-24 2:53:47 PM  
"The added burden and stress could incentivize hospital staff to report inaccurate information, so as not to lose funding, says Lisa M. Lee, former chief science officer for public health surveillance at the CDC, who now works at Virginia Tech."

This is what struck me the most. This is encouraging false data. If reports have to be in 3 times/wk. At significant added hours to provide such data, or lose access to medicare funding(or whatever it is in the US). Hospitals will just submit..."something"....make shiat up if they have to. That helps absolutely no one.
Maybe that's the point?
 
2020-09-24 2:59:45 PM  
So is he saying they must report to the CDC and the Trump database? Or is he saying they must stop reporting to the CDC?
 
2020-09-24 3:03:25 PM  
Oh and...

Only 24% of hospitals reported all the metrics last week?Including numbers like "How any ventilators there are" and the excuse is "Many different parts of the hospitals need to report..."

There is no excuse for hospitals failing to have their numbers available. Not one valid excuse.

If your hospitals are that disorganized, you don't have health science, you have a clusterfark at even the best of times.

God it's like your guys never had hospitals at all.
 
2020-09-24 3:38:14 PM  
If this financial burden demolishes the already fragile finances of rural hospitals faster forcing them to close and leaving his deep red state base in severe mortal danger every day of their unhealthy lives, I'm all for it
 
2020-09-24 4:21:29 PM  
I see the article failing to mention the system wants hospitals reporting to directly, is Thiel's Palantir development platform for HHS.
 
2020-09-24 4:49:19 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: So is he saying they must report to the CDC and the Trump database? Or is he saying they must stop reporting to the CDC?


If the choice is the first one then there will obviously two very different sets of figures coming out. One from the CDC which is based on reality, and another heavily massaged for Trump's political benefit.
 
2020-09-24 4:51:26 PM  
Trump is the Biff Tannen who never got rocked in the jaw by a George McFly.

It's time for America to be George McFly, and lay out this idiot's election hopes.
 
2020-09-24 7:16:47 PM  
Aren't blackmail and extortion illegal?

I know I'm late to the party, but things don't matter anymore.
 
2020-09-24 8:12:40 PM  
A couple of thoughts.

The county health agencies get those numbers too, right? Can those be cross-checked against the CDC / HHS data that they publish? That might show any funny business.

Second, FOIA their ass. This is critical data for public policy, the HHS doesn't have the right to keep it to themselves or monkey with it.
 
2020-09-25 10:21:23 AM  

what the cat dragged in: A couple of thoughts.

The county health agencies get those numbers too, right? Can those be cross-checked against the CDC / HHS data that they publish? That might show any funny business.

Second, FOIA their ass. This is critical data for public policy, the HHS doesn't have the right to keep it to themselves or monkey with it.


Funny thing about reported data, there are fuzzy numbers inherited by whichever criteria is decided on for collection. For instance, somebody could die from a heart attack as a cause of death, yet also had the virus. Which condition caused that death might be a strong binary, and constrained to just not being reported as a death from coronavirus, but only as a heart attack.
 
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