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2020-09-24 10:40:56 AM  
Well, being female and 25 years old don't help, either. That's like the trifecta of British lawyer prejudice. But we've gotta pick one for the headline or it would be too long.
 
2020-09-24 11:53:49 AM  
In the United States, under a similar misidentification situation, she would have been detained, searched, and told to stop acting so "uppity".
 
2020-09-24 11:54:03 AM  
Well, then why was she making a cappuccino in the courtroom?

/study it out
 
2020-09-24 11:54:50 AM  
She seems over qualified to be slinging coffee. Do what you love, I guess.
 
2020-09-24 11:54:58 AM  
That's a lot of security checks just to make coffee!
 
2020-09-24 11:55:18 AM  
I feel like they should have ID badges or something? Surely they can't just operate on "if you look like a lawyer then I guess it's fine you wander around restricted areas"?

Also racism bad.
 
2020-09-24 11:56:05 AM  

swankywanky: Well, then why was she making a cappuccino in the courtroom?

/study it out


Heheh.
 
2020-09-24 11:56:10 AM  
Id like to see her in chambers.

(sex)
 
2020-09-24 11:56:34 AM  
Here is the secret about courts in the states.  Nobody checks if you are licensed.  If you walk around like you belong, you will usually be accepted.  Unless you are in a small town court where everybody knows everybody.
 
2020-09-24 11:56:51 AM  
Seems like the white wig would have tipped people off.
 
2020-09-24 11:57:08 AM  
The wig wasn't enough of a clue?
 
2020-09-24 11:58:21 AM  
Also, I've had to "constantly justify my existence at work" at about every job I've ever had.

But I guess she means something different.
 
2020-09-24 11:58:51 AM  
You'd think the wig would have been a dead giveaway. Did they miss that because they were checking out her rack or something?
 
2020-09-24 11:58:59 AM  
She's...exceptionally photogenic.
 
2020-09-24 11:59:26 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: The wig wasn't enough of a clue?


Unless wig-wearing is coming back in style!
 
2020-09-24 12:00:12 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: Well, being female and 25 years old don't help, either. That's like the trifecta of British lawyer prejudice. But we've gotta pick one for the headline or it would be too long.


Yeah, when I was much younger I had some bailiffs try to exclude me from court rooms because they thought I was just an assistant.
 
2020-09-24 12:00:26 PM  
"Conservative humor"?

LOL

Farkwits
 
2020-09-24 12:00:38 PM  
To be fair, more than once Trump has been mistaken for an escaped Sh*t-Monkey and hit with TASERS when he resisted the zoo keeper's net.
 
2020-09-24 12:00:42 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: In the United States, under a similar misidentification situation, she would have been detained, searched, and told to stop acting so "uppity".

shot and had drugs planted on her.
 
2020-09-24 12:02:34 PM  

redbucket: I feel like they should have ID badges or something? Surely they can't just operate on "if you look like a lawyer then I guess it's fine you wander around restricted areas"?

Also racism bad.


In New Jersey, no part of the Courthouse is restricted area except for Judges' chambers and certain parts of clerk's offices (the parts where they don't take your paperwork or money). Entering the Court from the street and proceeding through the security station while person and contents searched by the metal detector and x-ray machine, walking through the corridor, and going into an open Courtroom looking for the prosecutor prior to trial is not restricted.
 
2020-09-24 12:02:41 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: In the United States, under a similar misidentification situation, she would have been detained, choked, tazed, shot, injected with Ketamine, searched, and told to stop acting so "uppity".


FTFY

Oh, and being cute, probably raped.
 
2020-09-24 12:04:50 PM  
I'm not on trial this whole damn court is on trial!
 
2020-09-24 12:04:53 PM  

redbucket: I feel like they should have ID badges or something? Surely they can't just operate on "if you look like a lawyer then I guess it's fine you wander around restricted areas"?

Also racism bad.


Your PAPERS, please!

And uniforms for everyone.

Just like a bad Teutonic opera.
 
2020-09-24 12:05:23 PM  

FirstDennis: Seems like the white wig would have tipped people off.


Mr. Fuzzypaws: The wig wasn't enough of a clue?



I don't think barristers wear wigs outside of the courtroom.

Or atleast that was my impression from all those episodes of Rumpole of the Bailey I watched.
 
2020-09-24 12:05:24 PM  

PaceyWhitter: Here is the secret about courts in the states.  Nobody checks if you are licensed.  If you walk around like you belong, you will usually be accepted.  Unless you are in a small town court where everybody knows everybody.


It's the same in the UK sometimes.

There's a story about a "lawyer" who was only caught because the judge asked him to explain why he was wearing a solicitor's gown but a barrister's wig.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s​o​uth-east-wales-17268631
 
2020-09-24 12:05:59 PM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: She seems over qualified to be slinging coffee. Do what you love, I guess.


Oh good. It was not just me.
 
2020-09-24 12:06:42 PM  

FirstDennis: Seems like the white wig would have tipped people off.


I presume she was appearing in the magistrates' court, where formal court dress isn't worn.
 
2020-09-24 12:06:43 PM  
Last time I was in the court building, it was easy to see who was an attorney.  They were the only ones allowed to have cell phones.
 
2020-09-24 12:08:03 PM  
Pretty sure all young attorneys, regardless of gender or skin color, have had the experience of bumbling around the courthouse and having awkward interactions with staff. Figuring out how to look like you know what you're doing is part of the job.
 
2020-09-24 12:09:20 PM  
I think that the confusion came about when she dropped her briefs and became a solicitor.
 
2020-09-24 12:09:45 PM  

PaceyWhitter: Here is the secret about courts in the states.  Nobody checks if you are licensed.  If you walk around like you belong, you will usually be accepted.  Unless you are in a small town court where everybody knows everybody.


It helps to wear Dickies with a matching ball cap, have a clipboard, with pen out, look at various things while taking notes, and project an impatient and faintly worried air.
 
2020-09-24 12:10:20 PM  
her clients would likely love her if she went along with it and served their jail time.
 
2020-09-24 12:12:48 PM  

Harlee: Your PAPERS, please!


All I have is a pipe.

/obscure, surely not for Fark.
 
2020-09-24 12:13:43 PM  
 
2020-09-24 12:15:24 PM  

redbucket: I feel like they should have ID badges or something? Surely they can't just operate on "if you look like a lawyer then I guess it's fine you wander around restricted areas"?

Also racism bad.


She wears a robe and a wig of white human hair, how is this happening?
 
2020-09-24 12:15:32 PM  

FirstDennis: Seems like the white wig would have tipped people off.


Depends on the court. Barristers in the U.K. only wear wigs and robes in the Crown Court/County Court and higher courts, not in the magistrates courts and, I'm pretty sure, never in family court cases. The article and her tweets don't specify which court, but I suspect it was the mags, the Crown Court being reserved only for the most serious criminal cases.
 
2020-09-24 12:15:41 PM  

PaceyWhitter: Here is the secret about courts in the states.  Nobody checks if you are licensed.  If you walk around like you belong, you will usually be accepted.  Unless you are in a small town court where everybody knows everybody.


There are so many situations where that applies.
 
2020-09-24 12:16:11 PM  

SirEattonHogg: FirstDennis: Seems like the white wig would have tipped people off.

Mr. Fuzzypaws: The wig wasn't enough of a clue?


I don't think barristers wear wigs outside of the courtroom.

Or atleast that was my impression from all those episodes of Rumpole of the Bailey I watched.


They can worh
 
2020-09-24 12:16:13 PM  

FirstDennis: Seems like the white wig would have tipped people off.


Let's not bring archaic political parties into this.
 
2020-09-24 12:17:00 PM  

HempHead: redbucket: I feel like they should have ID badges or something? Surely they can't just operate on "if you look like a lawyer then I guess it's fine you wander around restricted areas"?

Also racism bad.

She wears a robe and a wig of white human hair, how is this happening?


Barristers' wigs are made of horse hair.
 
2020-09-24 12:17:21 PM  

OMFG Help Us: To be fair, more than once Trump has been mistaken for an escaped Sh*t-Monkey and hit with TASERS when he resisted the zoo keeper's net.


Thanks for threadshiatting. Was the bucket in the corner of your basement lair filled?
 
2020-09-24 12:17:23 PM  
If wearing a suit, having a folder of papers under one's arm and sporting a look between irritation and boredom doesn't convince the bailiffs you're an attorney, all attorneys also have their bar membership card issued by the local state bar assoc.
 
2020-09-24 12:18:18 PM  

ukexpat: SirEattonHogg: FirstDennis: Seems like the white wig would have tipped people off.

Mr. Fuzzypaws: The wig wasn't enough of a clue?


I don't think barristers wear wigs outside of the courtroom.

Or atleast that was my impression from all those episodes of Rumpole of the Bailey I watched.

They can worh


...they can wear robes/wigs within the court building, there's usually a "robing room" reserved for barristers. That is assuming this was a court where robes are required, but I suspect it wasn't.
 
2020-09-24 12:20:12 PM  
Does this only happen to young black women?  Or does it happen to anyone who doesn't identify themselves as a lawyer when entering the court?

Back when our security officers reported in through me I caught shiat from a company exec visiting from HQ that was trying to get into our building (for the first time) without his company-issued ID.  He was cursing when he couldn't open any doors and that's when a security officer called me to deal with him.  No ID means you needed someone to verify who you are and sign you in, sorry, thems the rules.  He threw an absolute rage fit and went off about how I was going to lose my job over it.  He finally, reluctantly, named someone he knew, I called them, they came out to sign him in, the security officer gave him a temp ID, and that was that.  His boss heard about it and actually called to apologize (didn't see THAT coming).

He was white.  I can only imagine what would happen to me these days if he was black.  It would be so easy now to spin that into me being a racist.

On that same day a different exec from HQ, a black female, came like an hour later and said "I forgot my ID back in Georgia, sorry, what do I need to do to get in?"  "We just need to have someone who knows you to come sign you in."  Her:  "Oh, OK, just call John Smith."
 
2020-09-24 12:22:28 PM  
Responding to her tweets, HMCTS acting chief executive, Kevin Sadler, said: "I'm very sorry about your experience at court yesterday - it is totally unacceptable behaviour."

So that involved have been sacked? If not, then it is accepted.
 
2020-09-24 12:23:58 PM  

ukexpat: HempHead: redbucket: I feel like they should have ID badges or something? Surely they can't just operate on "if you look like a lawyer then I guess it's fine you wander around restricted areas"?

Also racism bad.

She wears a robe and a wig of white human hair, how is this happening?

Barristers' wigs are made of horse hair.


Really?

From the tail?
 
2020-09-24 12:25:42 PM  
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2020-09-24 12:27:30 PM  

jaytkay: Sen. Tim Scott reveals incidents of being targeted by Capitol Police


Frankly, I don't understand how the Capitol Police could have failed to recognize him.

I've seen him in a passageway underneath the House office buildings, and I immediately recognized him even though he was "out of context" by not being on the Senate side, and I don't live in SC.
 
2020-09-24 12:29:45 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: In the United States, under a similar misidentification situation, she would have been detained, searched, and told to stop acting so "uppity".


And then possibly arrested for resisting arrest.
 
2020-09-24 12:30:12 PM  

redbucket: I feel like they should have ID badges or something? Surely they can't just operate on "if you look like a lawyer then I guess it's fine you wander around restricted areas"?

Also racism bad.


well wait, do they not wear the wigs all the time?
 
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