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2020-09-23 7:49:42 PM  
Wow, that's aggressive.
 
2020-09-23 7:51:52 PM  
They passed a law in the late 80's / early 90's that said 1 of every two cars had to be electric by 2000.  These laws don't mean much.
 
2020-09-23 7:55:37 PM  
Think of this as a stretch goal.

For years companies would try and improve by 0.4% or 0.7% or whatever. Normally by removing the coffee machine.

Then someone came along with the goal of 20% in 5 years. And lo and behold, when you think longer term you might make 12% in that timeframe. Making it an unadulterated success over the earlier method

/CA doesn't have the electric grid for everyone to have an electric car
//nowhere does
 
2020-09-23 7:58:49 PM  
"Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars By 2035"

That is 15 years away subby.  It's a little early for "about to"

Also, you may want to check the rules Ca. already has in place about the importation and registration of non 50 state compliant vehicles.
Those rules are very likely to become even stricter.
The Ca. DMV is one of the most powerful state agencies in the U.S.. Do not get on their wrong side over a vehicle. They will flag both the vehicle and YOU.
Know the rules and work the rules. If if don't know the rules then pay an expert who does.
 
2020-09-23 8:08:56 PM  
I'm in CA and the place is burning TF down.

I am more than ok with aggressive eco-friendly measures. Fossil fuels should have been extinct years ago.
 
2020-09-23 8:39:24 PM  

BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.


The UK is banning all petrol and diesel car sales the same year.

/Just as soon as British boffins can work out how to make an electric motor leak oil.
 
2020-09-23 8:49:41 PM  

Kornchex: They passed a law in the late 80's / early 90's that said 1 of every two cars had to be electric by 2000.  These laws don't mean much.


You got a cite on that? The one I recall was something like 5% of major manufacturer fleets had to be electric by then, not 50% of the total new car market.
 
2020-09-23 9:02:46 PM  
It *sounds* aggressive, but is actually pretty modest. The cost of the batteries have been the biggest obstacle towards a more wholesale replacement of gas-powered vehicles and that's just about the break-even point now. Assuming the progress made in the last 10 years on battery technology and manufacturing is even half as effective over the next 15 years, an electric car is going to be waaaay cheaper to own and operate than traditional ICE. It doesn't even require a significant technology breakthrough -- a modest improvement in the capacity or manufacturing costs is all that's needed. The charging networks are continuing to be built out (especially in California) which will further reduce those who still think of electric vehicles and get "range anxiety".

There are already exceptions called out for trucks, so that will be the likely outlet for those intent on continuing to demand their right to roll coal. Even for trucks, assuming Elon can stop looking at 70's-era Battlestar Galactica reruns for design inspiration (which, granted, is a big "if"), its being demonstrated now that both heavy duty trucks and semis are capable of transitioning to electric and if you can manufacture something that doesn't look like a 3rd grader's sketch of a spaceship, those markets will also likely find ready buyers.

I think someone's already done the math showing this change would only account for ~1% of the US's fossil-fuel pollution, but you've got to start somewhere. And, much like the smog controls in the 70s, where California leads the rest of the nation will follow. (Often grumbling the entire time.)
 
2020-09-23 9:09:44 PM  

Captain Orr: There are already exceptions called out for trucks, so that will be the likely outlet for those intent on continuing to demand their right to roll coal. Even for trucks, assuming Elon can stop looking at 70's-era Battlestar Galactica reruns for design inspiration (which, granted, is a big "if"), its being demonstrated now that both heavy duty trucks and semis are capable of transitioning to electric and if you can manufacture something that doesn't look like a 3rd grader's sketch of a spaceship, those markets will also likely find ready buyers.


There's Rivian.
 
2020-09-23 9:22:10 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.

The UK is banning all petrol and diesel car sales the same year.

/Just as soon as British boffins can work out how to make an electric motor leak oil.


Also, VW is going all electric by 2026. Not sure there will be a lot of gas powered cars to by by 2036.
https://industryeurope.com/volkswagen​-​to-go-all-electric-by-2026/
 
2020-09-23 9:22:58 PM  
buy. Or by by whatever.
 
2020-09-23 9:39:12 PM  
 
2020-09-23 9:59:06 PM  
Electrify the roads!
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2020-09-23 10:03:40 PM  
And so it begins.

/wait what
 
2020-09-23 10:04:09 PM  

Kick The Chair: Electrify the roads!
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We used to call those "trolleys".
 
2020-09-23 10:19:46 PM  
As a politician, it's always easy to promise to do things in a future where you'll have long since retired from office.
 
2020-09-23 10:21:09 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.

The UK is banning all petrol and diesel car sales the same year.

/Just as soon as British boffins can work out how to make an electric motor leak oil.


As an owner of a '72 MGB, I am confident in their abilities to figure this out.
 
2020-09-23 10:23:08 PM  
Better late than never. Actually, it's probably way too late.
 
2020-09-23 10:24:24 PM  
Genuinely curious, if you move to California and you do not owe on a 50 state emissions vehicle, are you able to register the car that you already own? Neither of our cars are PZEV or ULEV but they are newer models.
 
2020-09-23 10:24:51 PM  

BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.


Nah, 2035 is perfectly feasible.
 
2020-09-23 10:26:02 PM  

BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.


No, just a repeat.
 
2020-09-23 10:26:12 PM  

Tomosauruswrecks: Genuinely curious, if you move to California and you do not owe on a 50 state emissions vehicle, are you able to register the car that you already own? Neither of our cars are PZEV or ULEV but they are newer models.


It says older cars can still be owned or sold on the used market.
 
2020-09-23 10:27:24 PM  
He can't do that with an executive order.  That's a clear abuse of power.  I'm not surprised, though, for the last few months he's been claiming more and more executive powers that he clearly doesn't have.  I would not be one bit surprised if he claimed governor for life status.  He's completely off his rocker.
 
2020-09-23 10:27:39 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.

Nah, 2035 is perfectly feasible.


my 2017 chevy bolt agrees.
 
2020-09-23 10:29:29 PM  
California = Liberaland.

This will not work. Good thing I don't live there. Too expensive and many taxes.
 
2020-09-23 10:31:09 PM  

boozehat: Carter Pewterschmidt: BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.

The UK is banning all petrol and diesel car sales the same year.

/Just as soon as British boffins can work out how to make an electric motor leak oil.

As an owner of a '72 MGB, I am confident in their abilities to figure this out.


When I was a kid my parents had an MGB. Early one. Wire wheels, chrome bumpers. We had the big nut and the wing nuts for the wheels, complete with the huge spanner and the hammer to remove them. And I remember it had two six volt batteries behind the seats. And a foot operated button to work the high beam. Funny how you remember tiny details.
 
2020-09-23 10:31:29 PM  

kdawg7736: California = Liberaland.

This will not work. Good thing I don't live there. Too expensive and many taxes.


Y'all really need to at least try for competent trolling FFS.  This is phoned in shiat.
 
2020-09-23 10:32:24 PM  

Gubbo: /CA doesn't have the electric grid for everyone to have an electric car
//nowhere does


That's the key point that keeps getting ignored.  We have blackouts in the summer because of power shortages.  We can't simply buy more power from somewhere because the infrastructure can't handle it.  Any attempts to build more power plants of any type will get shot down.  There are no realistic plans to improve the infrastructure.

But damn it, you will have an electric car, because the state says so.
 
2020-09-23 10:33:20 PM  
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2020-09-23 10:36:04 PM  
That's a good first step to banning all cars. Which we should.
 
2020-09-23 10:37:21 PM  
Pffft whatever. Wake me up when they outlaw gas powered...oh my god

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2020-09-23 10:44:10 PM  
Internal combustion engine cars will be around long after we are all dead:

1) They will only stop selling in 2035 in CA. It will cause the rest of the country to go eventually, but at least a decade until all states adopt sales bans. Then probably another 10 to 20 years until obsolete gas cars become economically unsustainable.

2) We love the Internal engine. It changed the world. We went from horses to horsepower. From shows like Top Gear to the classic car show that rolls into town every summer, the nostalgia and obsession with badass cars ain't going away anytime soon.

3) If this happens (big if), there will be a huge oversupply of oil. Plenty of gas for the foreseeable future.

Of course, this is only if our election aren't subverted this fall and a civil hellscape doesn't decend upon us, causing me to by a Toyota Hilux with its optional bed mounted machine gun.
 
2020-09-23 10:44:41 PM  
If you managed to make it thru the tesla batt-ry day shiatshow presentation yesterday you'd know this isn't that ambitious. They are gonna have a $25k car by 2022. So even if that is 5 years late you're gonna be able to get a refurb/used tesla or something like it for super cheap by 2035. By then who the fark will own a car anyway?

I'd bet this is just to rile trump up and get him spewing more nonsense
 
2020-09-23 10:47:11 PM  
It's not that crazy. Electric cars are within reach for a lot of people now. Given another 15 years of work on cost and range, there's a real chance everyone buying cars for practical reasons will be buying electric anyway.
 
2020-09-23 10:47:51 PM  

kdawg7736: California = Liberaland.

This will not work. Good thing I don't live there. Too expensive and many taxes.


LOL, it's always people from the town The Deer Hunter was filmed in who say shiat like this. You're funny if not predictable.
 
2020-09-23 10:50:46 PM  

thealgorerhythm: That's a good first step to banning all cars. Which we should.


Fine by me.  I prefer my motorcycles anyhow.

Getting sheets of plywood is gonna suck.
 
2020-09-23 10:51:28 PM  
repeat from 5 articles down
 
2020-09-23 10:54:22 PM  
Like Courtesy Chevrolet of Phoenix, AZ who sold me a lemon.
 
2020-09-23 10:54:30 PM  
I am 100% certain this will reduce emissions and pollution coming from the largest country responsible.

Wait, that's China and they are the Honey Badgers of pollution.
 
2020-09-23 10:56:05 PM  

NateAsbestos: I'm in CA and the place is burning TF down.

I am more than ok with aggressive eco-friendly measures. Fossil fuels should have been extinct years ago.


You do know it's the fuel on the ground and not the kind in the gas tanks or under the oil fields that's burning, right?

Good luck charging your electric car during summer grid shutdowns.  I suppose you can just lounge around at home, with some ice cream, and the AC on, and - oh, wait....

/lived there a long time ago
//it was burning every summer back then too
 
2020-09-23 10:57:26 PM  

Gubbo: Think of this as a stretch goal.

For years companies would try and improve by 0.4% or 0.7% or whatever. Normally by removing the coffee machine.

Then someone came along with the goal of 20% in 5 years. And lo and behold, when you think longer term you might make 12% in that timeframe. Making it an unadulterated success over the earlier method

/CA doesn't have the electric grid for everyone to have an electric car
//nowhere does


you're quite correct.  many of the underground distro, sub, and trans systems are sized for lead cable, which is much thinner.  one can't fit modern synthetic cable in the same cross section of pipe for higher load capacity.  it's barely coping as it is, some places 50 pct overloaded in the summer.

I'm an electric utility worker in California.  these jackass politicians and their pipe dream machinations are motivated out of pure self-interest and pats on the back for reelection.

they baned coal generation and congratulated themselves for being such "green" forward thought. but--know where a great deal of power for southern California comes from?  a coal plant. In Utah.

there is so much i can add on this topic, but instead I'll just call it what it is.  a load of hypocrisy packaged in a wrapper of half- baked intentions
 
2020-09-23 10:58:43 PM  

kdawg7736: California = Liberaland.

This will not work. Good thing I don't live there. Too expensive and many taxes.


Great post. Insightful stuff. Please share more wisdom with us in the future, o enlightened non-liberal who does not live in CA.
 
2020-09-23 11:01:24 PM  

Prussian_Roulette: NateAsbestos: I'm in CA and the place is burning TF down.

I am more than ok with aggressive eco-friendly measures. Fossil fuels should have been extinct years ago.

You do know it's the fuel on the ground and not the kind in the gas tanks or under the oil fields that's burning, right?

Good luck charging your electric car during summer grid shutdowns.  I suppose you can just lounge around at home, with some ice cream, and the AC on, and - oh, wait....

/lived there a long time ago
//it was burning every summer back then too


No shiat? It's forests that are burning and not oil fields?

shiat, I guess oil-fueled climate change is fine, then! After all Chevron didn't invent fire! Lol stupid libs!
 
2020-09-23 11:01:48 PM  
Not that I'm opposed to electric cars, but are they gonna pay the difference between the cost of a gasoline and electric car when I can't afford one?

I thought not....i await a real response and not snark.  Not being sarcastic.
 
2020-09-23 11:02:02 PM  

arcgear: they baned coal generation and congratulated themselves for being such "green" forward thought. but--know where a great deal of power for southern California comes from?  a coal plant. In Utah.


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As I understand cross-border contracts and whatnot, it isn't easy to back out of a deal made by a previous government. Take the steps that you can take.

Although as the world's 5th largest economy, California can afford some cancellation fees.

Then again. if they canceled the Utah contract BEFORE they outlawed coal, then some local shiatfarker would open a coal plant in California. Things have to be done in a certain order to work.
 
2020-09-23 11:03:47 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Not that I'm opposed to electric cars, but are they gonna pay the difference between the cost of a gasoline and electric car when I can't afford one?

I thought not....i await a real response and not snark.  Not being sarcastic.


I know plenty of people who can't afford a gas powered car, unless it is a used shiatbox. Cost seems more like an ever-present annoyance, but nothing to do with the fuel type.
 
2020-09-23 11:07:34 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: arcgear: they baned coal generation and congratulated themselves for being such "green" forward thought. but--know where a great deal of power for southern California comes from?  a coal plant. In Utah.

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As I understand cross-border contracts and whatnot, it isn't easy to back out of a deal made by a previous government. Take the steps that you can take.

Although as the world's 5th largest economy, California can afford some cancellation fees.

Then again. if they canceled the Utah contract BEFORE they outlawed coal, then some local shiatfarker would open a coal plant in California. Things have to be done in a certain order to work.


my utility (along with others) have been major stakeholders in that plant since it was opened.  as much as I'd like to say it's not flagrant hypocrisy and political manouvering by prior admins, but it most certainly is
 
2020-09-23 11:08:06 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: SpaceMonkey-66: Not that I'm opposed to electric cars, but are they gonna pay the difference between the cost of a gasoline and electric car when I can't afford one?

I thought not....i await a real response and not snark.  Not being sarcastic.

I know plenty of people who can't afford a gas powered car, unless it is a used shiatbox. Cost seems more like an ever-present annoyance, but nothing to do with the fuel type.


Used electric vehicles will eventually become commonplace.  Problem is, battery efficiency is going to be a major problem with a used vehicle.  So your used shiat-box electric vehicle will only go 100 miles instead of the 400+ of a new one.  The only fix is to replace the batteries, which will probably be similar in cost to replacing the engine on a gas car.  Poor people will have to live with the limited 100 miles, just like they live with a junker gas car they don't dare use for anything but around town.

Being poor sucks.  I know, I've been there.
 
2020-09-23 11:13:14 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: boozehat: Carter Pewterschmidt: BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.

The UK is banning all petrol and diesel car sales the same year.

/Just as soon as British boffins can work out how to make an electric motor leak oil.

As an owner of a '72 MGB, I am confident in their abilities to figure this out.

When I was a kid my parents had an MGB. Early one. Wire wheels, chrome bumpers. We had the big nut and the wing nuts for the wheels, complete with the huge spanner and the hammer to remove them. And I remember it had two six volt batteries behind the seats. And a foot operated button to work the high beam. Funny how you remember tiny details.


Yep, you nailed every detail.  Mine has been converted to a single 12v battery behind the rear passenger seat, and does not have wire wheels.  Love her to death, but seriously, every single time I take it out, something breaks or needs to be adjusted.
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2020-09-23 11:13:55 PM  

boozehat: Carter Pewterschmidt: boozehat: Carter Pewterschmidt: BizarreMan: Wow, that's aggressive.

The UK is banning all petrol and diesel car sales the same year.

/Just as soon as British boffins can work out how to make an electric motor leak oil.

As an owner of a '72 MGB, I am confident in their abilities to figure this out.

When I was a kid my parents had an MGB. Early one. Wire wheels, chrome bumpers. We had the big nut and the wing nuts for the wheels, complete with the huge spanner and the hammer to remove them. And I remember it had two six volt batteries behind the seats. And a foot operated button to work the high beam. Funny how you remember tiny details.

Yep, you nailed every detail.  Mine has been converted to a single 12v battery behind the rear passenger seat, and does not have wire wheels.  Love her to death, but seriously, every single time I take it out, something breaks or needs to be adjusted.
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(oh, and notice the oil spots in the driveway??)
 
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