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(NBC News)   Demographic shifts in America since 2016 could be enough to defeat Trump because his core demographic of cultists is declining. Here's an interactive tool to show you why   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2020-09-23 4:25:39 PM  
And perhaps they're dying at a higher rate bc they refuse to take precautions against hoax diseases
 
2020-09-23 4:26:52 PM  
People have been confidently declaring this since at least GW Bush's first term.
 
2020-09-23 4:35:29 PM  
Because they are older than dirt?
 
2020-09-23 4:36:34 PM  
I guess this makes me feel better....but it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.  I hate that old people vote so reliably.
 
2020-09-23 4:43:25 PM  
The jackholes patrolling Louisville are not elderly
 
2020-09-23 4:45:05 PM  

raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.


Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.
 
2020-09-23 4:47:44 PM  

raerae1980: I guess this makes me feel better....but it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.  I hate that old people vote so reliably.


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2020-09-23 4:48:21 PM  
That's why they're cheating. They see the writing on the wall. It's also why Trump is starting his "patriotic education" fund , in order to brainwash some young people into being republicans
 
2020-09-23 4:52:08 PM  

raerae1980: I guess this makes me feel better....but it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.  I hate that old people vote so reliably.


Well if young people voted as reliably as old people have we'd be talking about President-Elect Sanders.
 
2020-09-23 4:59:40 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.


For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.
 
2020-09-23 5:02:27 PM  

raerae1980: Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.


I hope it went like this:

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2020-09-23 5:04:58 PM  
Was one of the outcomes really about Trump getting a second term from winning over non-whites?

... get the fark outta here...
 
2020-09-23 5:05:42 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.

I hope it went like this:

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Ha!   Close.   I wasn't happy.
 
2020-09-23 5:06:00 PM  

raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.


What do you think it would take to get him to vote for Biden?
 
2020-09-23 5:06:05 PM  

BMFPitt: People have been confidently declaring this since at least GW Bush's first term.


And funnily enough, Republicans have only won* the popular vote once since then. Even their Congresscritters represent a significant minority of Americans.

*this is questionable, at best, given various shenanigans in places like Ohio.
 
2020-09-23 5:06:10 PM  

Rwa2play: raerae1980: I guess this makes me feel better....but it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.  I hate that old people vote so reliably.

Well if young people voted as reliably as old people have we'd be talking about President-Elect Sanders.


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2020-09-23 5:06:30 PM  
It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.
 
2020-09-23 5:06:35 PM  
Because he just killed a large number of them?
 
2020-09-23 5:07:02 PM  
Because trailer trash who think brushing their teeth with diet sodee instead of regular is the pinnacle of hygiene?
 
2020-09-23 5:07:04 PM  

austerity101: raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.

What do you think it would take to get him to vote for Biden?


Pointing out that it is 100% impossible for a third party to win this election since none, as far as I can tell, are on all the  ballots, and thus that voting third party is effectively voting for Trump?
 
2020-09-23 5:07:04 PM  
Do you know who else had an interactive tool?
 
2020-09-23 5:08:31 PM  
This is why the GOP is going ALL IN.

They've spent 40+ years building an ethnic based coalition with a shrinking demographic, that's almost certain to be unable to win the Presidency in 2024. If they lose this round they'll regroup, and rebrand, and rebuild with a new coalition eventually- but it'll take many many years.

A more viable path for them is to make elections not matter anymore.
 
2020-09-23 5:10:13 PM  

quiotu: Was one of the outcomes really about Trump getting a second term from winning over non-whites?

... get the fark outta here...


But "the blacks" love Trump. Says Trump.
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2020-09-23 5:10:26 PM  

austerity101: What do you think it would take to get him to vote for Biden?


Well, again, this was Pre-dead RBG.  I'm hoping this is it.
 
2020-09-23 5:10:56 PM  
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2020-09-23 5:11:34 PM  

Target Builder: This is why the GOP is going ALL IN.

They've spent 40+ years building an ethnic based coalition with a shrinking demographic, that's almost certain to be unable to win the Presidency in 2024. If they lose this round they'll regroup, and rebrand, and rebuild with a new coalition eventually- but it'll take many many years.

A more viable path for them is to make elections not matter anymore.


Once Texas goes blue (which it will) the GOP's days of winning the Presidency, control of Congress, etc. are over.
 
2020-09-23 5:12:29 PM  

raerae1980: I guess this makes me feel better....but it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.  I hate that old people vote so reliably.


People are fine. Racists of all ages are not.
 
2020-09-23 5:12:43 PM  

LordJiro: austerity101: raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.

What do you think it would take to get him to vote for Biden?

Pointing out that it is 100% impossible for a third party to win this election since none, as far as I can tell, are on all the  ballots, and thus that voting third party is effectively voting for Trump?


No, that's been shown not to work, particularly since raerae explicitly said they tried.  What I was asking is what he needs from the Democratic Party in order to convince him to vote.  It might help us gain insight into why other voters are planning on voting third-party or abstaining.
 
2020-09-23 5:12:59 PM  
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2020-09-23 5:13:58 PM  

LordJiro: And funnily enough, Republicans have only won* the popular vote once since then. Even their Congresscritters represent a significant minority of Americans.


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2020-09-23 5:14:35 PM  
Difficulties: a) it doesn't take a majority to win the presidency, and b) Trump can sue to have the results invalidated, and his handpicked judges will back him up.
 
2020-09-23 5:15:14 PM  

raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.


That's not really about GenX, that's just pigheadedness and political science illiteracy showing. Although IIRC you're in S. California. Given that Trump has a zero percent chance in California, your husband does have more latitude to waste his vote and yet not fark the rest of us over than he would in Ohio.
 
2020-09-23 5:15:58 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.


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2020-09-23 5:17:02 PM  
Republicans see demographics as destiny and feel slighted that as whites become a plurality and the last few Southern population centers turns their states purple the chances they will have majority support for their viewpoints will be swallowed by the sea of Other who are going to change the country from what it would be if everything was static.

Democrats feel slighted that norms that came into being in the last half of the 20th century have been violated to maximize power and influence by Republicans to ensure that their opinions are still strongly represented in the system even after they no longer hold the reigns of power.

Both sides are convinced they are seeing a future that is fundamentally unfair to their worldview, and that something has to be done about it.
 
2020-09-23 5:17:45 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.

That's not really about GenX, that's just pigheadedness and political science illiteracy showing. Although IIRC you're in S. California. Given that Trump has a zero percent chance in California, your husband does have more latitude to waste his vote and yet not fark the rest of us over than he would in Ohio.


I was trying to dissuade him of that notion, though.
But I did a piss-poor job, I'm sure, since i"m not exactly all that confident in the state of things, either.
 
2020-09-23 5:18:22 PM  

LordJiro: austerity101: raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.

What do you think it would take to get him to vote for Biden?

Pointing out that it is 100% impossible for a third party to win this election since none, as far as I can tell, are on all the  ballots, and thus that voting third party is effectively voting for Trump?


It's not voting for Trump. It is voting for being willing to accept Trump, though.
 
2020-09-23 5:18:23 PM  

BMFPitt: People have been confidently declaring this since at least GW Bush's first term.


It is happening, just not as fast as some of us would like. A lot of the assholes we all hate now, what is fixing to happen to them, they can't buy their way out of this time (at least not yet). They are all at the end of their lives.

Not to mention, the current administration is going out of its way to kill old people.

Pretty much can't see it improving for the GOP, either. Unless just getting old makes everyone an asshole. Not really seeing that. But it could be, I guess.
 
2020-09-23 5:19:17 PM  

BMFPitt: LordJiro: And funnily enough, Republicans have only won* the popular vote once since then. Even their Congresscritters represent a significant minority of Americans.

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It means the system is inherently broken, but will not be fixed, because the people that would be responsible for fixing it benefit from its brokenness.
 
2020-09-23 5:19:50 PM  
This is why the have fealty to Trump. They need their "originalist" judges in the courts. Some of them have been pissed off that the 1960s Civil Rights laws were upheld by the SCOTUS.
 
2020-09-23 5:19:58 PM  

raerae1980: I guess this makes me feel better....but it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.  I hate that old people vote so reliably.


Well, this old person has voted straight ticket D since Hector was a pup.
 
2020-09-23 5:20:21 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.

That's not really about GenX, that's just pigheadedness and political science illiteracy showing. Although IIRC you're in S. California. Given that Trump has a zero percent chance in California, your husband does have more latitude to waste his vote and yet not fark the rest of us over than he would in Ohio.


I hate this reasoning because it's really just outsourcing your civic duties.  The reason that California is reliably blue is because Democratic voters reliably vote there in large numbers.  Looking at that and going "Guess I don't need to help and I can do whatever I want" is lazy and dangerous thinking.
 
2020-09-23 5:22:30 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Difficulties: a) it doesn't take a majority to win the presidency, and b) Trump can sue to have the results invalidated, and his handpicked judges will back him up.


I hope the majority still care about the law. It might not go the way he wants
 
2020-09-23 5:23:54 PM  
Oh, this mental masturbation again?  How long have people been waiting for the old segregation-era racists to die off, ushering in permanent Democratic Party victory?
 
2020-09-23 5:24:15 PM  

raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.



There's only two viable choices this year, Biden or trump. This is not the year to third party vote.
 
2020-09-23 5:25:59 PM  

ocd002: There's only two viable choices this year, Biden or trump. This is not the year to third party vote.


Oh dear.  You've summoned them.
 
2020-09-23 5:26:46 PM  

sithon: That's why they're cheating. They see the writing on the wall. It's also why Trump is starting his "patriotic education" fund , in order to brainwash some young people into being republicans


I'm optimistic about the reduction in prejudice in future generations because information flows so freely now. Trump may think it's possible to brainwash young people that way but that's because in the era he was young, information was tightly controlled by those in charge. In today's world young people can see and interact with all sorts of people from different backgrounds. About the only people who can be brainwashed like in the old days are young people trapped in an insular community without the means to communicate with others. But those people are being brainwashed anyways, any new effort to do it is a waste of time because he'll be preaching to the converted. The portion of people unconverted but vulnerable to it is becoming smaller and smaller.
 
2020-09-23 5:28:10 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: BMFPitt: LordJiro: And funnily enough, Republicans have only won* the popular vote once since then. Even their Congresscritters represent a significant minority of Americans.

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It means the system is inherently broken, but will not be fixed, because the people that would be responsible for fixing it benefit from its brokenness.


No. It isn't broken. That's the sh*t of it all.
 
2020-09-23 5:29:16 PM  

Birnone: I'm optimistic about the reduction in prejudice in future generations because information flows so freely now.


...you say during a boom in online recruiting by white supremacist groups.
 
2020-09-23 5:29:45 PM  

GoldSpider: Oh, this mental masturbation again?  How long have people been waiting for the old segregation-era racists to die off, ushering in permanent Democratic Party victory?


Always new racists to replace the old ones, but nothing they can do about the changing demographics.
Country is getting less white, more diverse. Good for Democrats, bad for Republicans.
 
2020-09-23 5:30:47 PM  

austerity101: LordJiro: austerity101: raerae1980: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: raerae1980: it really all hinges on which party gets more turnout.

Which party gets turn out AND where they turn out.  An extra 50,000 Democrats turning out in CA is different than an extra 50,000 turning out in PA.

For real, Dude.  Hubby got discouraged the other day and started talking about voting 3rd party and i tried to talk him out of it.   But he's more Gen-X than me, and wasn't budgen.  His apathy was showing.   This was before RBG's death, though.

What do you think it would take to get him to vote for Biden?

Pointing out that it is 100% impossible for a third party to win this election since none, as far as I can tell, are on all the  ballots, and thus that voting third party is effectively voting for Trump?

No, that's been shown not to work, particularly since raerae explicitly said they tried.  What I was asking is what he needs from the Democratic Party in order to convince him to vote.  It might help us gain insight into why other voters are planning on voting third-party or abstaining.


Spouses at this point need to resort to ALL kinds of incentives to get their significant other to vote for Biden.

Even the "forbidden" zones.
 
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