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2020-09-23 11:58:20 AM  
Just any toe? It doesn't have to be someone I know, does it?
 
2020-09-23 12:00:53 PM  
1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-09-23 12:19:47 PM  
As much as I think musk does deliver many of his promises (with caveats for sure) - I don't see this happening at all.
 
2020-09-23 12:53:53 PM  
How long for the whole foot?
 
2020-09-23 12:54:26 PM  
>Thread Hijack<
Ok, Farkers. I'm car shopping. What's the reasonably priced pure electric car with the coolest interior control panel?

For Reference: I think the model 3 is shiate. A conference room with an Ipad.
 
2020-09-23 12:55:30 PM  
Camel before anybody
 
2020-09-23 12:55:58 PM  

whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars


I love trains. I love them more when they are convenient.
Mind if I bulldoze your house to run the tracks?

Tho we could avoid that if we had a cheap way to dig tunnels...

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/Hopefully Tesla Stock will dip a little more.
/I want to buy some cheap before people realize how big these battery production changes will be for the industry.
 
2020-09-23 12:58:45 PM  

Xai: As much as I think musk does deliver many of his promises (with caveats for sure) - I don't see this happening at all.


You wanna toe?  I can get you a toe. Believe me. There are ways, dude. You don't want to know about it, believe me.

Hell, I could get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon with nail polish.

Farking amateurs.
 
2020-09-23 1:00:43 PM  
How many Tesla/Musk bashing threads will we have today?  When Tesla markets a $25k car, people will whine that's it's not $15k.
 
2020-09-23 1:01:36 PM  
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2020-09-23 1:02:55 PM  
Didn't he say this three years ago?
 
2020-09-23 1:03:15 PM  
Are they REALLY self-driving if you are liable for the vehicular deaths that they cause when you aren't paying attention?
 
2020-09-23 1:03:58 PM  
Is he accounting for inflation?
 
2020-09-23 1:04:40 PM  
I could explain all the issues with digging tunnels, but you would just find it boring.
 
2020-09-23 1:07:40 PM  
Flying car for $10k in 6 years.
 
2020-09-23 1:10:34 PM  

whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars


Fewer.
 
2020-09-23 1:10:44 PM  

whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars


1. True
2. While trains are nice the don't work as well for America due to lower overall population density and distance between cities.
3. Electric self driving cars with plentiful renewable or nuclear energy to charge them with are good options for climate change and fit existing American infrastructure more so than any other option.
 
2020-09-23 1:14:28 PM  

way south: whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars

I love trains. I love them more when they are convenient.
Mind if I bulldoze your house to run the tracks?

Tho we could avoid that if we had a cheap way to dig tunnels...

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/Hopefully Tesla Stock will dip a little more.
/I want to buy some cheap before people realize how big these battery production changes will be for the industry.


This!
I'm not a fanboy of Musk's, at all. I could do without his musings on anything outside of what he does best. But then again, he's got the right & platform to express his views. Plus he's mostly harmless, I think. Just goofy.
What I truly appreciate most about him is his drive to advance technologies. It must be hard to work for him, for sure. To me he replaces what I think NASA once did. Have a very difficult albeit theoretically possible goal, and pursue it relentlessly. The spin-off discoveries and tech produced can be amazing.
I was worried about a lot of issues surrounding batteries. Good to know that they are intensively working on it.

My favourite joke about Elon Musk? He's one lab accident away from being a real life Bond villain.
 
2020-09-23 1:15:45 PM  
Subby, you're out of your element.

// He can *say* whatever he wants. Be he constantly underestimates timelines
 
2020-09-23 1:17:37 PM  
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Does somebody need a toe?
 
2020-09-23 1:19:13 PM  
Joe Rogan's Thoughts on Tesla's Cybertruck
Youtube Oq_646gW8Qk


Video headline is misleading, his guest hypothesizing about Musk's financing scheme is the reason I'm posting
 
2020-09-23 1:23:57 PM  
eh it probably could be done but i would not be street legal and only be a prototype.
 
2020-09-23 1:26:59 PM  
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2020-09-23 1:34:06 PM  

Anenu: whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars

1. True
2. While trains are nice the don't work as well for America due to lower overall population density and distance between cities.
3. Electric self driving cars with plentiful renewable or nuclear energy to charge them with are good options for climate change and fit existing American infrastructure more so than any other option.


Trains work just fine in Russia, China, Brazil, and pretty much everywhere except here. It's because we have decided not to have them, forced Amtrak to rent track and suck hind tit when it comes to priority and had every high speed rail proposal sabotaged by the auto and airline industries
 
2020-09-23 1:34:16 PM  

H31N0US: whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars

Fewer.



Thank you for posting what I was thinking. When it comes to grammar, most errors don't bother me at all, but for some reason, errors using less and fewer make me twitchy. Probably because I'm a jerk.
 
2020-09-23 1:39:39 PM  
Of course he can.  He could bring us a self-driving car tomorrow.  The problem isn't the technology, it's the laws and regulations that are holding back technological advances.  The government needs to eliminate all the unnecessary regulations on the auto industry that are just driving up prices.  They regulate headlight beam angles and pedestrian impact safety and AI driving the vehicle into concrete barriers at full speed on the expressway.   You know, mundane details like that.  Mr. Musk can't work his magic with these unreasonable constraints.

If you're thinking about getting into an autonomous vehicle anytime soon, think about these things first: 1) google "adversarial artificial intelligence" 2) consider how often computer networks are hacked  3) think about what that might mean for you if you're in an autonomous vehicle when someone decides to hack it to make it misinterpret a stop sign or traffic light or a double yellow line.

There's a lot of work happening at DARPA and in the private sector figure out how to harden AI against malicious actors, but it's not ready to do complex things that have life or death consequences unless there are other methods used as fail-safes...like an alert driver with hands on the wheel, ready to take over control of the vehicle.
 
2020-09-23 1:40:22 PM  
Good to know

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2020-09-23 1:43:47 PM  
If they really can build better, cheaper batteries with no cobalt, that's great. And not just for electric vehicles - better phone batteries, utility energy storage, etc.

As for a $25k car? I'd like to see that happen. A basic, bare-bones Civic is $20,000.
 
2020-09-23 1:45:52 PM  
Do I believe he could do it? Yes. Do I think it'll be street legal? No. We have a lot of legal ground to cover when it comes to self driving cars. Liability, moral decisions in the hands of AI, etc. It might exist in three years, but that doesn't mean we can just let them roll out onto the highway the next day.
 
2020-09-23 1:47:51 PM  

SpocksEars: >Thread Hijack<
Ok, Farkers. I'm car shopping. What's the reasonably priced pure electric car with the coolest interior control panel?

For Reference: I think the model 3 is shiate. A conference room with an Ipad.


The information displays in the e-Golf | Volkswagen
Youtube N1gh0NHvhBY

I really like the eGolf ( but then, I really like the regular Golf too). The only problem is the range is terrible, about 90 miles. But the price is really attractive especially after the federal rebate. I've seen leases for $105/month
 
2020-09-23 1:50:58 PM  

whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars


We should reduce our number of cars, but chastise the guy who's making EV powered cars because he sometimes makes statements that are less than 120% progressive?

We will always need cars.  Musk has been driving the development of much cleaner cars.  Only a dipshiat would chastise him for that.
 
2020-09-23 1:52:07 PM  

mudpants: Good to know

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How many times has that pinkie toe been broken?
 
2020-09-23 1:53:37 PM  

SpocksEars: >Thread Hijack<
Ok, Farkers. I'm car shopping. What's the reasonably priced pure electric car with the coolest interior control panel?

For Reference: I think the model 3 is shiate. A conference room with an Ipad.


I have a Nissan Leaf Plus.

I looked at all of them and wasn't willing to pay 50k+.

It looks like a modern car on the inside. Not someone trying to do something weird and interesting to appear futuristic.

I like it. It's a car.

But I have to admit if there was $25k Tesla that had self driving... I would likely be doing that. But the cheapest long range decent Tesla with the paying for future ability to self drive is like $60k. Not into that.
 
2020-09-23 1:54:39 PM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: SpocksEars: >Thread Hijack<
Ok, Farkers. I'm car shopping. What's the reasonably priced pure electric car with the coolest interior control panel?

For Reference: I think the model 3 is shiate. A conference room with an Ipad.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/N1gh0NHv​hBY]
I really like the eGolf ( but then, I really like the regular Golf too). The only problem is the range is terrible, about 90 miles. But the price is really attractive especially after the federal rebate. I've seen leases for $105/month


The eGolf was pretty decent for a niche product (city commuter) but just couldn't cut it against the second-gen Leaf, Bolt, or Tesla's cars -- if you were to compare them that way...which is slightly unfair.

The ID series is leaps and bounds beyond the eGolf and Audi eTron, but I've heard the older models are starting to have some deep discounts in preparation.
 
2020-09-23 1:59:05 PM  
Disney already built them.

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2020-09-23 2:07:39 PM  

whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars


What about transportation for folks who don't live in cities?
 
2020-09-23 2:12:38 PM  

NuclearPenguins: What about transportation for folks who don't live in cities?


Get in the pod, peasant.
 
2020-09-23 2:13:28 PM  

NuclearPenguins: whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars

What about transportation for folks who don't live in cities?


To progressives, those of us who live out in the country or somewhere like that and not in a city can fark the fark off.
 
2020-09-23 2:16:20 PM  

pup.socket: Flying car for $10k in 6 years.


God I hope not. Many people can barely pilot something in two dimensions on a marked out road. The average driver shouldn't be anywhere near a flying vehicle.
 
2020-09-23 2:17:45 PM  
25K car? Whatever happened to the 35K Tesla 3?  I know that was a thing, then it wasn't a thing - but would totally be a thing once they got done selling 55K dollar versions of the car.   Have they ever delivered on that one?  Not like ... the theoretical version of the car that you can't actually buy - the actual "go on the website and order and receive the car right now" version.

If so ... neat?  A 25K Tesla is probably a great deal and will allow a lot of people who otherwise couldn't afford it to make their Tesla dreams come true.

If not ... goddamnit Musk, stop talking for once.
 
2020-09-23 2:20:32 PM  

H31N0US: whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars

Fewer.


Don't call him that in public yet.
 
2020-09-23 2:21:50 PM  

FLMountainMan: We will always need cars.


Outdated 20th Century thinking in a nutshell.

Only a dipshiat would chastise him for that.

No, and Musk should be using his fortune to implement public transportation, including high speed trains.

Stay mad.
 
2020-09-23 2:24:47 PM  
fark'emfeed'emfish:
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Note to parents:
If you get this car wet, it will be wearing a bra.
LOL Surprise!
 
2020-09-23 2:31:05 PM  

whidbey: FLMountainMan: We will always need cars.

Outdated 20th Century thinking in a nutshell.

Only a dipshiat would chastise him for that.

No, and Musk should be using his fortune to implement public transportation, including high speed trains.

Stay mad.


Yeah, clearly I'm the angry one.  Well, good luck with your 100% public transportation plan.  Sounds like you've got a winner.
 
2020-09-23 2:35:00 PM  

SpocksEars: >Thread Hijack<
Ok, Farkers. I'm car shopping. What's the reasonably priced pure electric car with the coolest interior control panel?

For Reference: I think the model 3 is shiate. A conference room with an Ipad.


I really like the Hyundai Kona's.  Looking at that for my next car.
 
2020-09-23 2:37:09 PM  

anuran: Anenu: whidbey: 1. Musk is a dipshiat
2. We should be making less cars and building bullet trains
3. F*ck self-driving cars

1. True
2. While trains are nice the don't work as well for America due to lower overall population density and distance between cities.
3. Electric self driving cars with plentiful renewable or nuclear energy to charge them with are good options for climate change and fit existing American infrastructure more so than any other option.

Trains work just fine in Russia, China, Brazil, and pretty much everywhere except here. It's because we have decided not to have them, forced Amtrak to rent track and suck hind tit when it comes to priority and had every high speed rail proposal sabotaged by the auto and airline industries


Trains work fine here.  They haul tons of cargo all over the US.  Would you rather have them stick it all on a truck and drive it through town?  Just because you don't happen to be the customer of trains doesn't mean they don't work.  You just have to be a freight car to get a ticket.

natazha: How many Tesla/Musk bashing threads will we have today?  When Tesla markets a $25k car, people will whine that's it's not $15k.


There's also "Elon Time".  Three years in Elon Time is easily more than a decade.  Not to mention that buying the option to have full self-driving capability on your Tesla S in three years costs around $25k now.

Marksrevenge: If they really can build better, cheaper batteries with no cobalt, that's great. And not just for electric vehicles - better phone batteries, utility energy storage, etc.

As for a $25k car? I'd like to see that happen. A basic, bare-bones Civic is $20,000.


If anyone is going to do it, it will be him.  But even now I'm sure he has to wonder if it is worth killing the Tesla S line with a $25k car.  Breaking the rules was a lot easier when he wasn't sitting on top of the most valuable car company (according to Wall Street) in the world.

24601: Of course he can.  He could bring us a self-driving car tomorrow.  The problem isn't the technology, it's the laws and regulations that are holding back technological advances.  The government needs to eliminate all the unnecessary regulations on the auto industry that are just driving up prices.  They regulate headlight beam angles and pedestrian impact safety and AI driving the vehicle into concrete barriers at full speed on the expressway.   You know, mundane details like that.  Mr. Musk can't work his magic with these unreasonable constraints.

If you're thinking about getting into an autonomous vehicle anytime soon, think about these things first: 1) google "adversarial artificial intelligence" 2) consider how often computer networks are hacked  3) think about what that might mean for you if you're in an autonomous vehicle when someone decides to hack it to make it misinterpret a stop sign or traffic light or a double yellow line.

There's a lot of work happening at DARPA and in the private sector figure out how to harden AI against malicious actors, but it's not ready to do complex things that have life or death consequences unless there are other methods used as fail-safes...like an alert driver with hands on the wheel, ready to take over control of the vehicle.


Tesla has fixed anti-lock breaking issues with a pushed software update.  They don't give a flying fark about just how wide open your Tesla is to "adversarial hacking".  There's a reason for the fark arcronym "IoT == Internet of things that shouldn't be connected to the Internet" and it is thanks to people like Elon Musk and his customers.

They can bring self-driving to us tomorrow.  And they might even run over less people than human drivers.  But they will still be pretty bad drivers, and the juries will go berzerk (and it isn't clear that the judges will always reduce the payouts the way they normally do in such cases) during routine crashes.

This irks me, as my father [82] is looking to replace his car (he has trouble understanding that a modern Toyota with >100,000 miles is just broken in) and really needs a car that will drive him instead of the other way around (he tends to miss things like red lights).  Even Tesla's autopilot is probably a better driver than he is.

And those regulations are sometimes there to make sure that someone doesn't try to undercut expensive made it USA Fords, Chevys, Hondas, and Toyotas with some cheap Beetle[1] out of Brazil.  But more often they are written in the blood of tens of thousands Americans killed every year by cars.  It was a lot more in the 20th century, but people seem to like the new tank-based design.
 
2020-09-23 2:51:08 PM  

FLMountainMan: whidbey: FLMountainMan: We will always need cars.

Outdated 20th Century thinking in a nutshell.

Only a dipshiat would chastise him for that.

No, and Musk should be using his fortune to implement public transportation, including high speed trains.

Stay mad.

Yeah, clearly I'm the angry one.  Well, good luck with your 100% public transportation plan.  Sounds like you've got a winner.


You're angry that someone challenged your outdated paradigm, definitely.   Otherwise you would have just let it slide.
 
2020-09-23 2:56:43 PM  
Trains work just fine in Russia, China, Brazil, and pretty much everywhere except here. It's because we have decided not to have them, forced Amtrak to rent track and suck hind tit when it comes to priority and had every high speed rail proposal sabotaged by the auto and airline industriesThe Republicans

Cause, you know, the poors and SOCIALISZM!!!!
 
2020-09-23 2:59:38 PM  

whidbey: FLMountainMan: whidbey: FLMountainMan: We will always need cars.

Outdated 20th Century thinking in a nutshell.

Only a dipshiat would chastise him for that.

No, and Musk should be using his fortune to implement public transportation, including high speed trains.

Stay mad.

Yeah, clearly I'm the angry one.  Well, good luck with your 100% public transportation plan.  Sounds like you've got a winner.

You're angry that someone challenged your outdated paradigm, definitely.   Otherwise you would have just let it slide.


Goddamn it you're right.  What's next?  Breaking down my silos?  Pushing my envelope? Running it up my flagpole?  Stop it damn you!!!
 
2020-09-23 3:03:07 PM  

FLMountainMan: whidbey: FLMountainMan: whidbey: FLMountainMan: We will always need cars.

Outdated 20th Century thinking in a nutshell.

Only a dipshiat would chastise him for that.

No, and Musk should be using his fortune to implement public transportation, including high speed trains.

Stay mad.

Yeah, clearly I'm the angry one.  Well, good luck with your 100% public transportation plan.  Sounds like you've got a winner.

You're angry that someone challenged your outdated paradigm, definitely.   Otherwise you would have just let it slide.

Goddamn it you're right.  What's next?  Breaking down my silos?  Pushing my envelope? Running it up my flagpole?  Stop it damn you!!!


You might concede that public transportation is the future, and that big hulking automobiles, gasoline-powered or not, aren't.
 
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