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(The New Republic)   Any plan to stop the GOP from taking over the Supreme Court that relies on Mitch McConnell acting cautiously to avoid provoking an electoral backlash is a plan that has mistaken Mitch McConnell for a Democrat   (newrepublic.com) divider line
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2020-09-23 10:29:26 AM  
Mitch doesn't give a shiat.  His entire existence at this point is predicated on cramming through as many Republican judges as humanly possible like some kind of judicial carnival freakshow.  He knows his party is farked, so if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point) then he's going to scorch as much earth as he possibly can because fark everyone else, but especially democrats.  Plus, if he doesn't go down, he still gets what he wants.  For him there's no downside.
 
2020-09-23 10:39:55 AM  
The Supreme Court's main job is to keep the GOP in power.  We'll see how well they do in the next year or two.  They didn't count on Citizens United funds going to Democrats for reasons that are unclear, so the flood gates are open, and the GOP opened them.  Thanks, Roberts!
 
2020-09-23 10:51:14 AM  
If Mitch thinks Trump is toast and the Senate is lost, we'll have Supreme Court Justice Jeanne Pirro by next Friday.

if Mitch thinks Trump is toast but the Senate is salvagable, you'll have a "moderate" justice confirmed in lame duck session.

If Mitch knows the fix is in and Trump's got four more years and the Senate stays R, see line one.
 
2020-09-23 11:09:54 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If Mitch thinks Trump is toast and the Senate is lost, we'll have Supreme Court Justice Jeanne Pirro by next Friday.

if Mitch thinks Trump is toast but the Senate is salvagable, you'll have a "moderate" justice confirmed in lame duck session.

If Mitch knows the fix is in and Trump's got four more years and the Senate stays R, see line one.


There's literally no reason for McConnell to nominate a moderate.  They don't want another Souter.  The whole point of the Federalist Society pipeline to to pump out hard-right judges that won't deviate from the party line.  Once they have the Court locked up, they've effectively killed the concept of Consent of the Governed so it doesn't matter whether they have the Congress or not.  The Court can just sabotage the Democratic agenda until the Senate and Electoral College advantages kick in and put the GOP back in control.
 
2020-09-23 12:22:39 PM  

Psychopusher: Mitch doesn't give a shiat.  His entire existence at this point is predicated on cramming through as many Republican judges as humanly possible like some kind of judicial carnival freakshow.  He knows his party is farked, so if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point) then he's going to scorch as much earth as he possibly can because fark everyone else, but especially democrats.  Plus, if he doesn't go down, he still gets what he wants.  For him there's no downside.


At this point based on the millions he has has willingly screwed over the only way for justice to happen with him is to tell him on his deathbed that due to him his family for the next five generations will be blacklisted and will have to beg to get any position in anything outside of minimum wage. And that they will be reminded daily it's all his fault.

It's monstrous but he is a true monster.
 
2020-09-23 12:23:13 PM  
It's a life and death struggle for the GOP this time. If they can't cheat their way to victory, they're in trouble. They won't be able to sweep Trump under the rug for decades.
 
2020-09-23 12:24:50 PM  
The fun part will be watching Kamala Harris try to be civil during the hearings. She's not good at it, from her act during the Kavanaugh debacle.
 
2020-09-23 12:25:18 PM  

LaBlueSkuld: Psychopusher: Mitch doesn't give a shiat.  His entire existence at this point is predicated on cramming through as many Republican judges as humanly possible like some kind of judicial carnival freakshow.  He knows his party is farked, so if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point) then he's going to scorch as much earth as he possibly can because fark everyone else, but especially democrats.  Plus, if he doesn't go down, he still gets what he wants.  For him there's no downside.

At this point based on the millions he has has willingly screwed over the only way for justice to happen with him is to tell him on his deathbed that due to him his family for the next five generations will be blacklisted and will have to beg to get any position in anything outside of minimum wage. And that they will be reminded daily it's all his fault.

It's monstrous but he is a true monster.


Sadly, even if you blacklisted his family, considering how evil this man is, even that wouldn't shame him. His deathbed last words when he hears how his legacy will be punished is, "Worth it."
 
2020-09-23 12:26:50 PM  

Psychopusher: Mitch doesn't give a shiat.  His entire existence at this point is predicated on cramming through as many Republican judges as humanly possible


At this point?

Since 2008, he's made damn sure Democrats did not get the judges their electoral wins should have allowed. That's 12 solid years, our third Presidential election since he's staked that ground - Mitch has been in Congress since 1984, which means he's spent a literal third of his career being an obstructionist dickweasel only interested in gaining and maintaining power for the Reds.

It's telling that ZERO conversations about fixing what is broken rely on the GOP to pull its head out of its ass, and seem to ALREADY be blaming Democrats for not fixing or preventing the failures the GOP has engineered. What did we expect after Mitch McConnell broke the Senate and then took control of it?
 
2020-09-23 12:28:49 PM  

Psychopusher: if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point)


His seat in the Senate is in no danger, as McGrath is one of the weaker challenges he's faced.  As Minority Leader, should the Ds retake the Senate, he'll still be in position to stymie the best laid plans of The Biden.  Not that Biden has any plans, mind you.
 
2020-09-23 12:28:52 PM  
What plan for anything? The last 4 years exposed us as a third world country with a government running on promises. With the SCOTUS now firmly Trumpist, what plan matters? We live in a full dictatorship, and have the biggest military the world has ever seen, it's over. Coast until climate change kills us all in 10-15 years, and enjoy what you can, human civilization as it is is over, freedom is over, democracy is over.

It is what it is.
 
2020-09-23 12:28:55 PM  
Mitch announced his intention of replacing Ginsburg on the day she farking died.  He has zero farms to give, and the wind he's thrown caution to has Cat V Hurricane speeds.
 
2020-09-23 12:29:02 PM  
Mitch is fully bought and paid for.

I wish I could travel back to the time I saw him in the grocery store so I could retropreemptively spit on him.
 
2020-09-23 12:29:33 PM  
There isn't a bigger shiat stain on America and democracy than mitch. He has broken government on many levels. He will do whatever continues that legacy of destruction.
 
2020-09-23 12:29:38 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Sadly, even if you blacklisted his family, considering how evil this man is, even that wouldn't shame him. His deathbed last words when he hears how his legacy will be punished is, "Worth it."


Naw, it's something like "American values.....great sacrifice......good of the country.....I consider myself a patriot.......
Complete nonsense, in other words.
 
2020-09-23 12:30:15 PM  
Turtle gonna Turtle.
 
2020-09-23 12:30:29 PM  
Getting a Justice confirmed in October improves their chances of doing well in November.

As for the hearings, if the Dem's want to attack either candidates on their Catholic faith they are welcome to do so.

Should go over real well in battleground States like Wisconsin (25% Catholic) and Pennsylvania.
 
2020-09-23 12:30:38 PM  

Summoner101: Mitch announced his intention of replacing Ginsburg on the day she farking died.  He has zero farms to give, and the wind he's thrown caution to has Cat V Hurricane speeds.


He announced it earlier this year or maybe last year. I recall a Green article on it.
 
2020-09-23 12:31:18 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Psychopusher: Mitch doesn't give a shiat.  His entire existence at this point is predicated on cramming through as many Republican judges as humanly possible

At this point?

Since 2008, he's made damn sure Democrats did not get the judges their electoral wins should have allowed. That's 12 solid years, our third Presidential election since he's staked that ground - Mitch has been in Congress since 1984, which means he's spent a literal third of his career being an obstructionist dickweasel only interested in gaining and maintaining power for the Reds.

It's telling that ZERO conversations about fixing what is broken rely on the GOP to pull its head out of its ass, and seem to ALREADY be blaming Democrats for not fixing or preventing the failures the GOP has engineered. What did we expect after Mitch McConnell broke the Senate and then took control of it?


Harry Reid did more to help the Republicans than Mitch. The Reid Rule got us here. Mitch is just playing the hand he was dealt.
 
2020-09-23 12:32:04 PM  
Yep, I amazed anyone could think otherwise.

This will have to be righted by expanding the court to 13 justices.

And then let's go a step further and balance the senate by adding DC and Puerto Rico as states.

That is, if people will actually vote.
 
2020-09-23 12:32:58 PM  

LaBlueSkuld: Psychopusher: Mitch doesn't give a shiat.  His entire existence at this point is predicated on cramming through as many Republican judges as humanly possible like some kind of judicial carnival freakshow.  He knows his party is farked, so if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point) then he's going to scorch as much earth as he possibly can because fark everyone else, but especially democrats.  Plus, if he doesn't go down, he still gets what he wants.  For him there's no downside.

At this point based on the millions he has has willingly screwed over the only way for justice to happen with him is to tell him on his deathbed that due to him his family for the next five generations will be blacklisted and will have to beg to get any position in anything outside of minimum wage. And that they will be reminded daily it's all his fault.

It's monstrous but he is a true monster.


I don't think he even cares about that.  He'll just do his face-contortion that is remarkably unlike a smile and say "So what?"
 
2020-09-23 12:34:55 PM  

Psychopusher: Mitch doesn't give a shiat.  His entire existence at this point is predicated on cramming through as many Republican judges as humanly possible like some kind of judicial carnival freakshow.  He knows his party is farked, so if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point) then he's going to scorch as much earth as he possibly can because fark everyone else, but especially democrats.  Plus, if he doesn't go down, he still gets what he wants.  For him there's no downside.


Is the Republican Party farked?
I hope the answer is yes, but I'm skeptical that anything will change within 10 years.

1.  Dems need to back-out gerrymandering & voter suppression, & to do that, they need to vote in local elections.
2.  Dems need to add more states to get  more Senators.


Progress will require persistence, perseverance, attention span, & the memory of WTF is wrong with Republicans...  these are qualities that Americans generally lack.
CA turned Democratic.. so it can happen.  There is hope.
 
2020-09-23 12:35:53 PM  
Thanks again, Kentucky.
 
2020-09-23 12:36:18 PM  
Pareene seems like a smart guy.  One has to wonder why the political intellect of Claire McCaskill is the only ones offered up as support here.  I'll answer my own question, it's because he's wrong, she's wrong.

Collins was toast, now she has a chance.  McConnell is offering Republicans on the bubble a lifeline.  They should take it.
 
2020-09-23 12:39:23 PM  

hodgemann: Psychopusher: if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point)

His seat in the Senate is in no danger, as McGrath is one of the weaker challenges he's faced.  As Minority Leader, should the Ds retake the Senate, he'll still be in position to stymie the best laid plans of The Biden.  Not that Biden has any plans, mind you.


So Biden needs to spoon feed you his agenda like Hillary needed to in 2016? Won't matter, you won't listen anyway. It's cooler being edgy.
 
2020-09-23 12:39:55 PM  

JDAT: Getting a Justice confirmed in October improves their chances of doing well in November.

As for the hearings, if the Dem's want to attack either candidates on their Catholic faith they are welcome to do so.

Should go over real well in battleground States like Wisconsin (25% Catholic) and Pennsylvania.


So that's the strategy then. When the Dems criticize the nominee for anything, the Trumpists will just drone "Dems hate Christians" and pretend that's the only issue.
 
2020-09-23 12:40:21 PM  

Erebus1954: Dr Dreidel: Psychopusher: Mitch doesn't give a shiat.  His entire existence at this point is predicated on cramming through as many Republican judges as humanly possible

At this point?

Since 2008, he's made damn sure Democrats did not get the judges their electoral wins should have allowed. That's 12 solid years, our third Presidential election since he's staked that ground - Mitch has been in Congress since 1984, which means he's spent a literal third of his career being an obstructionist dickweasel only interested in gaining and maintaining power for the Reds.

It's telling that ZERO conversations about fixing what is broken rely on the GOP to pull its head out of its ass, and seem to ALREADY be blaming Democrats for not fixing or preventing the failures the GOP has engineered. What did we expect after Mitch McConnell broke the Senate and then took control of it?

Harry Reid did more to help the Republicans than Mitch. The Reid Rule got us here. Mitch is just playing the hand he was dealt.


Ah yes - because Harry Reid was supposed to understand that not having 60 votes meant no judges should get confirmed. Also, it wasn't Harry Reid who further nuked the filibuster, including for Cabinet nominees. Retribution? Maybe, but was Betsy farking DeVos the hill to die on?

Anyway, it all comes back to Robert Bork. Who was given hearings and a vote, and 6 Republicans voted against, but somehow it's Democrat dirty tricks that prevented a good man from allowing the government to peruse your reading list with a lifetime appointment.

// and no one mentions Abe Fortas anymore ( ._.)
// the ethics scandal came AFTER the GOP farked around with his elevation vote
 
2020-09-23 12:43:41 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: hodgemann: Psychopusher: if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point)

His seat in the Senate is in no danger, as McGrath is one of the weaker challenges he's faced.  As Minority Leader, should the Ds retake the Senate, he'll still be in position to stymie the best laid plans of The Biden.  Not that Biden has any plans, mind you.

So Biden needs to spoon feed you his agenda like Hillary needed to in 2016? Won't matter, you won't listen anyway. It's cooler being edgy.


Biden's agenda is being Obama 1.01, some improvements over his legacy, but nothing much to scare the businesses and wealthy in that they will have to pay their employees a decent wage and give them useable benefits. That may be enough to vote for him, since Trump will obviously be much worse, but don't pretend that half-measures like Hillary touted in 2016 will automatically win you an election.
 
2020-09-23 12:45:35 PM  

PlaidJaguar: Thanks again, Kentucky.


It's not Kentucky.  Though Kentucky has a particularly virulent form of evil (I can say this, I have Kentucky roots) it is hardly any different than the virulence of evil California conservatives (I can say this, as a California native).

Mitch is simply a very adept point of the spear, being thrust by moneyed, and foreign, interests.  He is particularly good at what he does, lies without shame, and could give a fark about any harm done to the hoi polloi.
 
2020-09-23 12:45:44 PM  
You only need to understand one thing about Mitch:
POWER.

Whatever course will allow Mitch, personally, to either accumulate or entrench his power, that's what he'll do.
If he loses the Senate, he loses power.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say compared to that, he doesn't give a rats hiney about the Supreme Court.
 
2020-09-23 12:46:26 PM  

SavageWombat: JDAT: Getting a Justice confirmed in October improves their chances of doing well in November.

As for the hearings, if the Dem's want to attack either candidates on their Catholic faith they are welcome to do so.

Should go over real well in battleground States like Wisconsin (25% Catholic) and Pennsylvania.

So that's the strategy then. When the Dems criticize the nominee for anything, the Trumpists will just drone "Dems hate Christians" and pretend that's the only issue.


I consider it a probable one.  Roe vs. Wade will certainly come up.  Dem's will press on the candidate's leaning because of their faith to show that the candidate disagrees with the 73 decision.  It may even look like persecution or discrimination and the Republicans will use that.

This all depends on how the conversation goes of course.
 
2020-09-23 12:48:52 PM  

JDAT: Getting a Justice confirmed in October improves their chances of doing well in November.

As for the hearings, if the Dem's want to attack either candidates on their Catholic faith they are welcome to do so.

Should go over real well in battleground States like Wisconsin (25% Catholic) and Pennsylvania.


It'll be tough for Biden to overcome his anti-Catholic biases.
 
2020-09-23 12:48:59 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: hodgemann: Psychopusher: if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point)

His seat in the Senate is in no danger, as McGrath is one of the weaker challenges he's faced.  As Minority Leader, should the Ds retake the Senate, he'll still be in position to stymie the best laid plans of The Biden.  Not that Biden has any plans, mind you.

So Biden needs to spoon feed you his agenda like Hillary needed to in 2016? Won't matter, you won't listen anyway. It's cooler being edgy.

Biden's agenda is being Obama 1.01, some improvements over his legacy, but nothing much to scare the businesses and wealthy in that they will have to pay their employees a decent wage and give them useable benefits. That may be enough to vote for him, since Trump will obviously be much worse, but don't pretend that half-measures like Hillary touted in 2016 will automatically win you an election.


So basically I get everything exactly the way I want or else it's just republican lite and I'm going to take my toys and go home. This country didn't shift rightward overnight but whiny left wingers who pouted and didn't vote certainly helped while the right patiently voted in every election and accepted incremental change. Democrats can do that or just keep pouting.
 
2020-09-23 12:50:24 PM  

SpocksEars: You only need to understand one thing about Mitch:
POWER.

Whatever course will allow Mitch, personally, to either accumulate or entrench his power, that's what he'll do.
If he loses the Senate, he loses power.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say compared to that, he doesn't give a rats hiney about the Supreme Court.


The Supreme Court and all those judges mean that the GOP can legislate from the bench, which has been Moscow Mitch's goal. That way, they can say they "support" liberal ideas to get elected to Congress and then do fark-all knowing that the courts can deliver his true hard-right agenda.
 
2020-09-23 12:50:56 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: hodgemann: Psychopusher: if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point)

His seat in the Senate is in no danger, as McGrath is one of the weaker challenges he's faced.  As Minority Leader, should the Ds retake the Senate, he'll still be in position to stymie the best laid plans of The Biden.  Not that Biden has any plans, mind you.

So Biden needs to spoon feed you his agenda like Hillary needed to in 2016? Won't matter, you won't listen anyway. It's cooler being edgy.

Biden's agenda is being Obama 1.01, some improvements over his legacy, but nothing much to scare the businesses and wealthy in that they will have to pay their employees a decent wage and give them useable benefits. That may be enough to vote for him, since Trump will obviously be much worse, but don't pretend that half-measures like Hillary touted in 2016 will automatically win you an election.

So basically I get everything exactly the way I want or else it's just republican lite and I'm going to take my toys and go home. This country didn't shift rightward overnight but whiny left wingers who pouted and didn't vote certainly helped while the right patiently voted in every election and accepted incremental change. Democrats can do that or just keep pouting.


You need to be impaled to death with a pointy stick.
 
2020-09-23 12:51:37 PM  
"a plan that has mistaken Mitch McConnell for a Democrat human being"

FTFY
 
2020-09-23 12:51:38 PM  

demiurgex: Yep, I amazed anyone could think otherwise.

This will have to be righted by expanding the court to 13 justices.

And then let's go a step further and balance the senate by adding DC and Puerto Rico as states.

That is, if people will actually vote.


Kind of expecting Mitch to do that himself during the lame duck period, if/when Biden wins. Biden will have to appoint 8 more just to keep up.

SCOTUS will look like the NH state assembly after a couple cycles of this
 
2020-09-23 12:55:07 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: hodgemann: Psychopusher: if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point)

His seat in the Senate is in no danger, as McGrath is one of the weaker challenges he's faced.  As Minority Leader, should the Ds retake the Senate, he'll still be in position to stymie the best laid plans of The Biden.  Not that Biden has any plans, mind you.

So Biden needs to spoon feed you his agenda like Hillary needed to in 2016? Won't matter, you won't listen anyway. It's cooler being edgy.

Biden's agenda is being Obama 1.01, some improvements over his legacy, but nothing much to scare the businesses and wealthy in that they will have to pay their employees a decent wage and give them useable benefits. That may be enough to vote for him, since Trump will obviously be much worse, but don't pretend that half-measures like Hillary touted in 2016 will automatically win you an election.

So basically I get everything exactly the way I want or else it's just republican lite and I'm going to take my toys and go home. This country didn't shift rightward overnight but whiny left wingers who pouted and didn't vote certainly helped while the right patiently voted in every election and accepted incremental change. Democrats can do that or just keep pouting.

You need to be impaled to death with a pointy stick.


That'll certainly help.
 
2020-09-23 12:58:20 PM  

Alley Rat: SpocksEars: You only need to understand one thing about Mitch:
POWER.

Whatever course will allow Mitch, personally, to either accumulate or entrench his power, that's what he'll do.
If he loses the Senate, he loses power.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say compared to that, he doesn't give a rats hiney about the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court and all those judges mean that the GOP can legislate from the bench, which has been Moscow Mitch's goal. That way, they can say they "support" liberal ideas to get elected to Congress and then do fark-all knowing that the courts can deliver his true hard-right agenda.


Remember when the Republicans accused the Democrats of appointing judges to "legislate from the bench"? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

/For Republicans: Every accusation is a confession.
 
2020-09-23 1:00:28 PM  

Mentat: Mr. Coffee Nerves: If Mitch thinks Trump is toast and the Senate is lost, we'll have Supreme Court Justice Jeanne Pirro by next Friday.

if Mitch thinks Trump is toast but the Senate is salvagable, you'll have a "moderate" justice confirmed in lame duck session.

If Mitch knows the fix is in and Trump's got four more years and the Senate stays R, see line one.

There's literally no reason for McConnell to nominate a moderate.  They don't want another Souter.  The whole point of the Federalist Society pipeline to to pump out hard-right judges that won't deviate from the party line.  Once they have the Court locked up, they've effectively killed the concept of Consent of the Governed so it doesn't matter whether they have the Congress or not.  The Court can just sabotage the Democratic agenda until the Senate and Electoral College advantages kick in and put the GOP back in control.


Law passed at 1pm and signed... reduces all levels of the federal judiciary to one guy with the most seniority.

Law passed at 2pm and signed... creates all positions but not appointments, grants auto-approval by senate for first person appointed to newly created positions.  Maybe a few tweeks on the structure of the circuit courts.

Mitch has to believe the fix is in, and that Trump is going to win, otherwise he'd just fold on this because the "reply" to moving forward anyway is the Democrats run the table, he gets nothing.
 
2020-09-23 1:00:39 PM  
They're going to take over the Supreme Court. It cannot be stopped. If they don't do it before the election, they'll do it in the lame duck session after the election. Frankly, I think they'll wait until after the election if for no other reason than that the vacancy benefits Republicans electorally more than a filled seat would.

Stop worrying about stopping them from taking over the Supreme Court. It isn't going to happen. Focus on electing Biden and Senate Democrats so we can do something about it next year.
 
2020-09-23 1:06:33 PM  

phaseolus: demiurgex: Yep, I amazed anyone could think otherwise.

This will have to be righted by expanding the court to 13 justices.

And then let's go a step further and balance the senate by adding DC and Puerto Rico as states.

That is, if people will actually vote.

Kind of expecting Mitch to do that himself during the lame duck period, if/when Biden wins. Biden will have to appoint 8 more just to keep up.

SCOTUS will look like the NH state assembly after a couple cycles of this


Certainly possible.   But honestly, I'm fine with more justices.   The fact that one justice can change the balance of power for multiple generations just isn't a viable way to run a democracy.

It's immaterial if he does so.  If we win we can always put in more.

All it does is weaken his hand when the GOP inevitably objects to power being decided by what the majority want.
 
2020-09-23 1:08:04 PM  
From McConnell's point of view this is an existential fight and this is their end game.
 
2020-09-23 1:08:18 PM  

JerseyTim: JDAT: Getting a Justice confirmed in October improves their chances of doing well in November.

As for the hearings, if the Dem's want to attack either candidates on their Catholic faith they are welcome to do so.

Should go over real well in battleground States like Wisconsin (25% Catholic) and Pennsylvania.

It'll be tough for Biden to overcome his anti-Catholic biases.


Harris
 
2020-09-23 1:10:00 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: hodgemann: Psychopusher: if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point)

His seat in the Senate is in no danger, as McGrath is one of the weaker challenges he's faced.  As Minority Leader, should the Ds retake the Senate, he'll still be in position to stymie the best laid plans of The Biden.  Not that Biden has any plans, mind you.

So Biden needs to spoon feed you his agenda like Hillary needed to in 2016? Won't matter, you won't listen anyway. It's cooler being edgy.

Biden's agenda is being Obama 1.01, some improvements over his legacy, but nothing much to scare the businesses and wealthy in that they will have to pay their employees a decent wage and give them useable benefits. That may be enough to vote for him, since Trump will obviously be much worse, but don't pretend that half-measures like Hillary touted in 2016 will automatically win you an election.

So basically I get everything exactly the way I want or else it's just republican lite and I'm going to take my toys and go home. This country didn't shift rightward overnight but whiny left wingers who pouted and didn't vote certainly helped while the right patiently voted in every election and accepted incremental change. Democrats can do that or just keep pouting.

You need to be impaled to death with a pointy stick.

That'll certainly help.


Would help more than you attacking progressives and coddling Republicans and lying about "incremental change". The PPACA is a modified plan thought up originally in a Republican think tank in 1993, when Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary was touting Single Payer Universal Healthcare (which according to Hillary, Biden was one of the "no" votes on the Democratic side of the fence). It gets passed by a Democratic congress and Senate in 2010 with no public option to compete with existing insurance companies, and costs get increased, which means now people are forced to pay for insurance on their own. So 17 years to get that "incremental change", which the Democrats allow poison pill amendments by Republicans which means Medicaid doesn't get expanded automatically for those who can't afford healthcare in many Republican states. Then after passing that legislation, the Democrats runs away from it and acts as if President Obama is a non-person in the 2010 elections because apparently passing a Republican plan with no public option (as Obama ran on the Public Option, which was stymied by Conservative/Centrist Democrats like Joe Liberman) means he's too "liberal" and of course the Democrats lose Congress.

Now Biden is promoting the public option and acting as if it's going to get through. Problem is, as Democrats never learn because a majority of them are too afraid to scare wealthy donors, is that you need to go high in order to push your agenda. Push for M4A and settle on a Public Option so you can get the Public Option through, people will vote for you if you demand the best during your speeches but settle on "good", instead of demanding "good" and getting "not enough to help everyone in some manner" and getting "helping private insurance companies get more customers and more profits".
 
2020-09-23 1:23:12 PM  
The man has made tens of millions off of his position. He's had a long, full career. He can retire, move to his family's waiting mansion in China, and roll around in his giant pile of dirty money for the rest of his life.

Why would he give a shiat about anything else.
 
2020-09-23 1:23:30 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: DarkSoulNoHope: Peter von Nostrand: hodgemann: Psychopusher: if he's going to go down (far from certain at this point)

His seat in the Senate is in no danger, as McGrath is one of the weaker challenges he's faced.  As Minority Leader, should the Ds retake the Senate, he'll still be in position to stymie the best laid plans of The Biden.  Not that Biden has any plans, mind you.

So Biden needs to spoon feed you his agenda like Hillary needed to in 2016? Won't matter, you won't listen anyway. It's cooler being edgy.

Biden's agenda is being Obama 1.01, some improvements over his legacy, but nothing much to scare the businesses and wealthy in that they will have to pay their employees a decent wage and give them useable benefits. That may be enough to vote for him, since Trump will obviously be much worse, but don't pretend that half-measures like Hillary touted in 2016 will automatically win you an election.

So basically I get everything exactly the way I want or else it's just republican lite and I'm going to take my toys and go home. This country didn't shift rightward overnight but whiny left wingers who pouted and didn't vote certainly helped while the right patiently voted in every election and accepted incremental change. Democrats can do that or just keep pouting.

You need to be impaled to death with a pointy stick.

That'll certainly help.

Would help more than you attacking progressives and coddling Republicans and lying about "incremental change". The PPACA is a modified plan thought up originally in a Republican think tank in 1993, when Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary was touting Single Payer Universal Healthcare (which according to Hillary, Biden was one of the "no" votes on the Democratic side of the fence). It gets passed by a Democratic congress and Senate in 2010 with no public option to compete with existing insurance companies, and costs get increased, which means now people are forced to pay for insurance on their own. So 17 years to get that "incremental change", which the Democrats allow poison pill amendments by Republicans which means Medicaid doesn't get expanded automatically for those who can't afford healthcare in many Republican states. Then after passing that legislation, the Democrats runs away from it and acts as if President Obama is a non-person in the 2010 elections because apparently passing a Republican plan with no public option (as Obama ran on the Public Option, which was stymied by Conservative/Centrist Democrats like Joe Liberman) means he's too "liberal" and of course the Democrats lose Congress.

Now Biden is promoting the public option and acting as if it's going to get through. Problem is, as Democrats never learn because a majority of them are too afraid to scare wealthy donors, is that you need to go high in order to push your agenda. Push for M4A and settle on a Public Option so you can get the Public Option through, people will vote for you if you demand the best during your speeches but settle on "good", instead of demanding "good" and getting "not enough to help everyone in some manner" and getting "helping private insurance companies get more customers and more profits".


I am not, in any form, coddling republicans. As far as attacking progressives, well, the truth hurts. These boards were full of progressive in 2016 that biatched about Hillary and touted the fact they'd protest vote. Reality sucks sometimes. The public option would have passed if not for independent joe lieberman.

Again, the right shift didn't happen overnight. Run progressive candidates. Every election, every level. Or complain about center democrats.
 
2020-09-23 1:25:15 PM  

Sentient: The man has made tens of millions off of his position. He's had a long, full career. He can retire, move to his family's waiting mansion in China, and roll around in his giant pile of dirty money for the rest of his life.

Why would he give a shiat about anything else.


Stigginit. Full stop. He's the elected version of everyone's crazy uncle who is so immersed in hating liberals they have no position other than whatever is opposite of the libs. It's all he has to live for.
 
2020-09-23 1:28:39 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: These boards were full of progressive in 2016 that biatched about Hillary and touted the fact they'd protest vote.


Do you want their votes?  Are you willing to do anything for their votes?  Plenty of people vote third-party, and most of them aren't on Fark.  And even more people don't vote at all.  It seems the Democrats might want to try tapping into those markets.  Bullying doesn't seem to work very well, so maybe they should try other tactics.
 
2020-09-23 1:30:01 PM  
For clarity, that question meant "Are you willing to do something for their votes?", not, "Are you willing to do everything for their votes?"
 
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