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2020-09-22 9:12:20 PM  
Rushed and shoddy renovation that has colossal tax implications?
No!
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2020-09-22 9:21:06 PM  
I'm not surprised.  Ballooning budgets has been a problem on This Old House since its inception, and at least This Old House usually fairly tasteful in their work.  Not always of course, but the renovations they create at least look liveable.

If this Ty person is doing the home-equivalent of Pimp My Ride but where things like permitting, taxes, and possibly mortgages now apply, then holy fark that's a problem.
 
2020-09-22 9:37:38 PM  
hey kid, I heard you like skateboards--how about a room with nothing but skateboards from floor to ceiling!?!
 
2020-09-22 9:41:35 PM  
This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.
 
2020-09-22 9:58:14 PM  

IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.


The applicants tend to be kinda desperate and not terribly sophisticated.
 
2020-09-22 10:09:23 PM  
Ty Pennington was the farking carpenter on Trading Spaces. It wasn't "his show". And to blame him for burdening those people with a costly behemoth is a bit much seeing as he was the host on Extreme Makeover Home Edition, not the producer. But you can find his picture in the dictionary under "hangover". So..yeah..I don't like...love him or anything.
 
2020-09-22 11:15:04 PM  
They should only do that show in CA.

Here, if you do not sell your home, your taxes only go up a certain amount a year, usually a very small amount. For example, we bought our house in NorCal Wine Country in 1984 for 62K and our yearly property taxes were 10% of the purchase price. We've lived here ever since, and paid off the house (after MANY re-fi's), and our yearly property tax is around $1,300.

I am not aware of many people who have property tax burdens this low, and I can tell you that if we had had a higher tax burden these last 35 years, we could never have bought the house in the first place. No way in hell. We were kids with a new baby and our parent's help and interest rates at the time were 14.9% We lived on ramen and baby formula (the baby) and Chrystal Light. I can't imagine what these people who had their home "improved" right into an unmanageable property tax situation have had to go through and then end up losing their home.

My house has never been "improved" (other than the kitchen/bath remodel in the 90s) but this little dump is all ours and no one can take it away from us.

Anyway, stick to CA where you won't damage the people you are ostensibly trying to help nearly as much.
 
2020-09-22 11:46:47 PM  
I saw an episode of their show where they basically blew up the family's home, made a bed like a taco and terrorized the family, so yeah... of course he was lame.
 
2020-09-23 1:44:10 AM  
CSB: My mom was one of the volunteers for the show when they re-did a house for the blind, wheelchair bound kid on the UofL marching band.
 
2020-09-23 1:45:32 AM  
Monster House chuckles in the corner.
 
2020-09-23 1:55:12 AM  

TWX: I'm not surprised.  Ballooning budgets has been a problem on This Old House since its inception, and at least This Old House usually fairly tasteful in their work.  Not always of course, but the renovations they create at least look liveable.

If this Ty person is doing the home-equivalent of Pimp My Ride but where things like permitting, taxes, and possibly mortgages now apply, then holy fark that's a problem.


Was that the Bob Villa era? I've been bingeing on the This Old House channel on samsung video+. It's mostly Ask TOH with the newer crew and they seem to emphasize properly doing things. Their big projects are anything but hackery.
 
2020-09-23 2:12:11 AM  

IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.


Not really.  Despite having taxes taken out of lottery winnings you're still making some money in the end.

That's not necessarily the case here, especially when they go overboard with the renovations in the neighborhoods they're working in.

/always thought HGTV dream home concept was idiotic
 
2020-09-23 2:19:21 AM  

Raymond Perjurytrap: Ty Pennington was the farking carpenter on Trading Spaces. It wasn't "his show".


And everyone knows the real terror on that show was Hilary. In later seasons, you could actually see the look of horror on a family's face when they were told that she was in charge of the room renovation in their house.
 
2020-09-23 2:31:04 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Raymond Perjurytrap: Ty Pennington was the farking carpenter on Trading Spaces. It wasn't "his show".

And everyone knows the real terror on that show was Hilary. In later seasons, you could actually see the look of horror on a family's face when they were told that she was in charge of the room renovation in their house.


Flowers covering bathroom walls, living room walls with hay glued to them in a house with toddlers, omg that woman could ruin a room.
 
2020-09-23 2:35:49 AM  
The examples they gave for people who lost their homes are suspicious. "Then they borrowed against the house for cancer treatment and lost it" so.....was it the renovation?

Then the other one lost it because they tried to turn it into a bed and breakfast....which wasn't zoned for it?

I was expecting "homeowner who could barely pay their mortgage was now on the hook for 6 times the property tax when the value was reassessed"
 
2020-09-23 2:36:57 AM  

The Brains: CSB: My mom was one of the volunteers for the show when they re-did a house for the blind, wheelchair bound kid on the UofL marching band.


The producers approached our factory to build the trumpet that was presented to that kid.
 
2020-09-23 2:37:05 AM  
Are they bringing back The Swan?
 
2020-09-23 4:12:20 AM  
I'll stick to watching Maine Cabin Masters tyvm.
 
2020-09-23 5:13:34 AM  

IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.


If you take the lump sum in lotto wins, you are beyond stupid. You always take the monthly payouts
 
2020-09-23 5:23:42 AM  
Protip: Won some exotic piece of property, like a fancy house, fancy car, fancy tiger, etc? Sell it, save half of the proceeds for the taxes. Won some money in a contest? Save half for taxes. The taxes are usually only a third, but wouldn't you rather have money left over after taxes or owe more money to the tax man? Save half.

Anything exotic is going to require expensive maintenance. Guaranteed.

I wouldn't let anyone "give" my home a rehab. Just gimme the money.
 
2020-09-23 5:30:56 AM  
From the linked article
She said her home's foreclosure resulted from an ongoing struggle to manage the property's pre-makeover mortgage - a balance that rested at about $30,000 after the 2008 makeover, but had ballooned to at least $113,000 by the end of 2016.

This is poor stewardship all around. Mortgages don't just "balloon."  She did cash-out refinancing.  I'm sure a portion of that was on her.

Lesson: If someone hasn't proven faithful in managing a little...don't give them a lot.
 
2020-09-23 5:33:54 AM  

lifeslammer: IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.

If you take the lump sum in lotto wins, you are beyond stupid. You always take the monthly payouts


Why? Because you can always call the annuities lawyers on tv for CASH NOW if you need a quick million for a weekend of hookers and blow?

A $100 million jackpot with a cash offer of $40 million and after tax check of $20 million is still $20 million from a $1 or so investment. Versus, idk $10,000 a month taxed to $6,600 a month for basically life? Im not sure how it would work, but I think I get the appeal of the monthly payments. You get stability and security for life.
 
2020-09-23 5:39:17 AM  
Wine Sipping Elitist:

I left off that if you invest the $20 million you can have the same monthly payouts (if not more) from the interest. But it takes more discipline to not blow all your money.
 
2020-09-23 5:44:42 AM  
Which one of you farkers left this comment in the article?

After watching that series for a season, I wouldn't let those morons touch a Barbie dream home, much less my own home.
The cadence seems to be like 'hey you like cereal? Well, lets beat the living shiat outta you with this room where it looks like General Mills and Kelloggs had dirty greasy sex and sprayed it all over this kids bedroom!?!?! Isn't that great...isn't that wonderful!?!?!?  APPRECIATE IT GODDAMMIT!!!!'

shiat be like home decor on a weekend speedball binge.
 
2020-09-23 5:48:22 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Wine Sipping Elitist:

I left off that if you invest the $20 million you can have the same monthly payouts (if not more) from the interest. But it takes more discipline to not blow all your money.


All good points you make. If lifeslammer meant 'take the payouts because you actually get the full amount (minus annual tax bill) instead of a payout of 30 or 40%', then NPV needs to be explained.

If you fear being among the number of lottery winners that are going to screw it up and blow it, take monthly payout and lead a good life, not an insane one.  That could have been his reasoning as well.

At my stage in life, mid 50s, I would be Mr Lump Sum.
 
2020-09-23 5:58:28 AM  
¡Somos extremos!
 
2020-09-23 5:59:39 AM  

IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.


I somewhat agree.

Let's face it, if you're in such dire straits that this show comes knocking on your door, a home renovation wasn't going to fix the underlying issue.

And producers should've rejected anyone with an adjustable rate mortgage. And if you're refinancing your home after renovations, then shocked your mortgage goes up... that's on you.
 
2020-09-23 6:22:21 AM  
It all comes down to the rule:
Never trust someone whose face looks 50 but does his hair and dresses like he's 19.

/The male fake tan also immediately invalidates trust, but let's not get too political here.
 
2020-09-23 6:37:28 AM  

lifeslammer: IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.

If you take the lump sum in lotto wins, you are beyond stupid. You always take the monthly payouts


exactly. Plus it also matters how you live. Move into a nice place or pay off mortgage and car. But most idiots buy the most expensive cars they can, live in high tax areas, buy bug ass boats, and have an entourage. Then they are broke in a year or two.

My plan (if i ever actually play and somehow win). Take monthly payments. Look into houses, or building one. I live in midwest so low taxes. Pay off car and maybe upgrade to a slightly nicer one. Nothing much fancier than a Toyota. Get a nice large house. Furnish it with regular stuff. Maybe take classes like cooking. But take life easy. Travel would be mostly stuff i can drive to. Overnight in Chicago, St. Louis, Louisville, Indy, Nashville, etc. Nothing exotic. But most of all budget my winnings. Divide into thirds after taxes. 1/3 expenses (electric, water, food, etc), 1/3 savings, 1/3 fun. If i ever get a kid it becomes quartered with the new 1/4 being on them (college, and inheritance).  If you are earning a few mil a year you can do amazing. Hell even earning $60-70k A year you can do well.
 
2020-09-23 6:43:15 AM  

SafetyThird: TWX: I'm not surprised.  Ballooning budgets has been a problem on This Old House since its inception, and at least This Old House usually fairly tasteful in their work.  Not always of course, but the renovations they create at least look liveable.

If this Ty person is doing the home-equivalent of Pimp My Ride but where things like permitting, taxes, and possibly mortgages now apply, then holy fark that's a problem.

Was that the Bob Villa era? I've been bingeing on the This Old House channel on samsung video+. It's mostly Ask TOH with the newer crew and they seem to emphasize properly doing things. Their big projects are anything but hackery.


I've always wanted an episode of the homeowner wandering around asking when the renovation will be done,

"Counter tops next week? Are you farking kidding me, they're here now, you're here now!"
 
2020-09-23 6:53:49 AM  

silvervial: They should only do that show in CA.

Here, if you do not sell your home, your taxes only go up a certain amount a year, usually a very small amount. For example, we bought our house in NorCal Wine Country in 1984 for 62K and our yearly property taxes were 10% of the purchase price. We've lived here ever since, and paid off the house (after MANY re-fi's), and our yearly property tax is around $1,300.


May not help.

Even under Prop. 13, a major renovation can possibly trigger a reassessment and result in an increase of property taxes based on the valuation of the work done. In other words, if these shows are taking old, run-down homes down to the bones and doing an extensive remodel, it could basically count as a new house and be taxed in full at the new valuation.

https://www.sccassessor.org/index.php​/​property-information/business-owner/ne​w-construction-remodeling-repair
 
2020-09-23 7:12:03 AM  

rhodabear: Joe_diGriz: Raymond Perjurytrap: Ty Pennington was the farking carpenter on Trading Spaces. It wasn't "his show".

And everyone knows the real terror on that show was Hilary. In later seasons, you could actually see the look of horror on a family's face when they were told that she was in charge of the room renovation in their house.

Flowers covering bathroom walls, living room walls with hay glued to them in a house with toddlers, omg that woman could ruin a room.


And of course there was the time she painted her own giant self portrait on the wall.
 
2020-09-23 7:16:23 AM  

Mad Bowl Hoo: Wine Sipping Elitist: Wine Sipping Elitist:

I left off that if you invest the $20 million you can have the same monthly payouts (if not more) from the interest. But it takes more discipline to not blow all your money.

All good points you make. If lifeslammer meant 'take the payouts because you actually get the full amount (minus annual tax bill) instead of a payout of 30 or 40%', then NPV needs to be explained.

If you fear being among the number of lottery winners that are going to screw it up and blow it, take monthly payout and lead a good life, not an insane one.  That could have been his reasoning as well.

At my stage in life, mid 50s, I would be Mr Lump Sum.


Agreed. To me, its the difference between being financially secure and financially independent and secure.

And I'd buy rural land. They are not making any more of that stuff.  For some reason, I thought Karl "The Mailman" Malone was the largest land owner in America, but that's a John Malone. Karl is not doing too bad himself. I'd follow his example.
 
2020-09-23 7:22:08 AM  

lifeslammer: IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.

If you take the lump sum in lotto wins, you are beyond stupid. You always take the monthly payouts


In some jurisdictions the monthly payout is payable solely to the winner and may not be bequeathed or gifted i.e. the winnings not yet paid die with you.  But a lump sum is owned outright by the winner and can be bequeathed or gifted.
 
2020-09-23 7:28:07 AM  
that man has awful hair
 
2020-09-23 7:30:48 AM  

silvervial: They should only do that show in CA.

Here, if you do not sell your home, your taxes only go up a certain amount a year, usually a very small amount. For example, we bought our house in NorCal Wine Country in 1984 for 62K and our yearly property taxes were 10% of the purchase price. We've lived here ever since, and paid off the house (after MANY re-fi's), and our yearly property tax is around $1,300.

I am not aware of many people who have property tax burdens this low, and I can tell you that if we had had a higher tax burden these last 35 years, we could never have bought the house in the first place. No way in hell. We were kids with a new baby and our parent's help and interest rates at the time were 14.9% We lived on ramen and baby formula (the baby) and Chrystal Light. I can't imagine what these people who had their home "improved" right into an unmanageable property tax situation have had to go through and then end up losing their home.



In the UK you could literally buy Buckingham Palace for a billion pounds to be your private home and your annual property tax (Council Tax in the UK) would be £1750 a year, about $2000.

/To be fair Westminster taxes are lower than average. But IIRC the absolute highest yearly tax anywhere in the UK is under £5k.
 
2020-09-23 7:35:07 AM  
Your mortgage doesn't "balloon from $30,000 to $113,000" all on its own, just because your kid has an African safari room. Even property taxes won't impact you that greatly, unless you were already on the edge.

Also, WTF does any of that have to do with contestants who take the money and run after a makeover? That's not the show's fault.

Articles like this are stupid opinion pieces without any real substance, begging its readers to hate something because reasons... if there is any "fail" here (beyond the author's motivations), it is that many people cannot handle a windfall, just like many lottery or game show winners, due to their inability to manage their money or because of a mismatch between their expectations and their reality.
 
2020-09-23 7:36:58 AM  
Disapproves of most of the current HGTV shenanigans...

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2020-09-23 7:47:45 AM  
I miss the even earlier days of HGTV, when they had modest little home improvement shows with Lynette Jennings and that trash-to-treasure lady. And they remembered what the 'G' in their name stood for.
 
2020-09-23 8:09:48 AM  

reprobate1125: From the linked article
She said her home's foreclosure resulted from an ongoing struggle to manage the property's pre-makeover mortgage - a balance that rested at about $30,000 after the 2008 makeover, but had ballooned to at least $113,000 by the end of 2016.

This is poor stewardship all around. Mortgages don't just "balloon."  She did cash-out refinancing.  I'm sure a portion of that was on her.

Lesson: If someone hasn't proven faithful in managing a little...don't give them a lot.


Yes, but if you watched the show you'd know that the whole thing was just an advertising scam that offloaded the risk on the "recipient" of the makeover.  MOST of the families just needed basic renovations to make their home livable for a family member, like a wheel chair ramp that wasn't just plywood laying on stairs and a basic accessible bathroom, maybe a door or 2 widened to accommodate a wheel chair.   The people were ALREADY cash strapped because of the issues that brought the show to them.  Dropping a $1 million home on a family that can barely keep up with the upkeep of a much smaller home due to the issues they are dealing with was abusive.  I'm sure more than one of them went in thinking at least they'd be able to sell the home or take out a mortgage to kick the can further down the road.  I don't think they were being irresponsible as much as they were being desperate.
 
2020-09-23 8:32:13 AM  
"The property taxes alone on any one of the Dream Houses could bankrupt a family, as it nearly did in 2005 when that year's winner ended up $430,000 in debt after moving his family to Texas to turn the home into a bed and breakfast, which they were unable to do because of zoning restrictions. The financial strain was compounded when the family had to borrow against the house to pay for cancer treatments."


That's not the property taxes bankrupting the family.  That's stupidity in not finding out first that you couldn't make it a B&B, and our horrible healthcare system ass raping you.
 
2020-09-23 8:40:22 AM  

IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.


There is a significant difference between the two situations.

In the case of a lottery, you'll have to pay some fraction of your winnings as tax on income.  You'll only have to pay that once, and thereafter you'll only have to pay taxes on the income you make off investments or interest you earn, but not on the winnings themselves.

In the case of a home makeover that significantly increases the value of your property, you're going to end up with higher property tax and school tax bills, and they happen every year, year after year.

In fact, I like to tell people that they don't actually *OWN* their property.   The local government owns it, and you have a very liberal, open-ended, and transferable lease on the property.   They maintain the fiction that you "own" the property, but it is indeed a fiction:  If you don't pay the rent (ie., your property taxes) on the property that you allegedly "own", they can force you off of "your property" and lease it to someone else.
 
2020-09-23 8:46:28 AM  

Raymond Perjurytrap: Ty Pennington was the farking carpenter on Trading Spaces. It wasn't "his show". And to blame him for burdening those people with a costly behemoth is a bit much seeing as he was the host on Extreme Makeover Home Edition, not the producer. But you can find his picture in the dictionary under "hangover". So..yeah..I don't like...love him or anything.


Were the girls in that show especially hot, or was I just an extremely desperate 14 year old with no HBO or internet?
 
2020-09-23 8:51:53 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: silvervial: They should only do that show in CA.

Here, if you do not sell your home, your taxes only go up a certain amount a year, usually a very small amount. For example, we bought our house in NorCal Wine Country in 1984 for 62K and our yearly property taxes were 10% of the purchase price. We've lived here ever since, and paid off the house (after MANY re-fi's), and our yearly property tax is around $1,300.

I am not aware of many people who have property tax burdens this low, and I can tell you that if we had had a higher tax burden these last 35 years, we could never have bought the house in the first place. No way in hell. We were kids with a new baby and our parent's help and interest rates at the time were 14.9% We lived on ramen and baby formula (the baby) and Chrystal Light. I can't imagine what these people who had their home "improved" right into an unmanageable property tax situation have had to go through and then end up losing their home.


In the UK you could literally buy Buckingham Palace for a billion pounds to be your private home and your annual property tax (Council Tax in the UK) would be £1750 a year, about $2000.

/To be fair Westminster taxes are lower than average. But IIRC the absolute highest yearly tax anywhere in the UK is under £5k.


Yes, *BUT* your taxes are much higher on people who make any significant amount of money, and you've got VAT which makes many things more costly to purchase.  We have "sales tax" in the US in some states and cities (but not all), but generally it's *MUCH* lower than the 20% VAT on most goods and services in the UK.  If I want to buy a $500 TV, I'm going to pay about $535 total.   Same TV in the UK would cost me $600 in LimeyBucks (about 474 Pounds Sterling).
 
2020-09-23 9:04:56 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: lifeslammer: IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.

If you take the lump sum in lotto wins, you are beyond stupid. You always take the monthly payouts

Why? Because you can always call the annuities lawyers on tv for CASH NOW if you need a quick million for a weekend of hookers and blow?

A $100 million jackpot with a cash offer of $40 million and after tax check of $20 million is still $20 million from a $1 or so investment. Versus, idk $10,000 a month taxed to $6,600 a month for basically life? Im not sure how it would work, but I think I get the appeal of the monthly payments. You get stability and security for life.


I read a good story, maybe on fark, about a person that won a huge lotto payout and took the lump and had some lawyers and finance people handle it and he got like $10k a month and would meet with them a few times a month to see what they were doing, he had audits done and will probably be able to have money for great grandkids if they keep it the way it is going.
 
2020-09-23 9:12:05 AM  

lifeslammer: IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.

If you take the lump sum in lotto wins, you are beyond stupid. You always take the monthly payouts


Now I've read from so-called financial experts that you should do the exact opposite; if you take the monthly or yearly payout then you'll get zapped with taxes every time whereas if you take the lump sum and invest it, then  you won't have to pay as much in taxes and will make more money in the long term.
 
2020-09-23 9:15:59 AM  

dionysusaur: IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.

The applicants tend to be kinda desperate and not terribly sophisticated.


Yeah it sounds like what they really need is help paying to fix up their house.  Instead they are getting a major renovation that HGTV is billing them for doing for them.

I have met the people who run HGTV.  They are all Republican types who are probably convinced they are helping and that they should get paid for doing "charity" by the recipient.  Not evil people per say, but surrounded by an echo chamber of other people telling them that is okay.
 
2020-09-23 9:21:32 AM  

Raymond Perjurytrap: Ty Pennington was playing a character called the farking carpenter on Trading Spaces. .

 
2020-09-23 9:22:51 AM  

lifeslammer: IlGreven: This is the "I wouldn't want to win the lottery because of all the taxes" argument.

If you aren't ready for the burden, don't apply. Simple as that.

If you take the lump sum in lotto wins, you are beyond stupid. You always take the monthly payouts


I did the math on that.  It really depends on how old you are and what your life expectancy is.

Especially since the system is rigged so that taxes are owed all at once if your kids inherit your winnings.
 
2020-09-23 9:23:30 AM  

rhodabear: Joe_diGriz: Raymond Perjurytrap: Ty Pennington was the farking carpenter on Trading Spaces. It wasn't "his show".

And everyone knows the real terror on that show was Hilary. In later seasons, you could actually see the look of horror on a family's face when they were told that she was in charge of the room renovation in their house.

Flowers covering bathroom walls, living room walls with hay glued to them in a house with toddlers, omg that woman could ruin a room.


The circus room one; the wife walked in and burst into tears.  Not happy tears.
 
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