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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Falcons owner on onside kick: "They didn't clearly understand what the rules were"   (ajc.com) divider line
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2020-09-22 2:08:57 PM  
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2020-09-22 2:12:43 PM  
I don't know the rules as well as a player should, but even I was thinking "why aren't they picking the ball up?  Do they think they have to wait or something?"
 
2020-09-22 2:13:42 PM  
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2020-09-22 2:18:24 PM  
If the ref needs to get both teams together and thoroughly explain the rules of a coin toss, you'd think he'd get them together to go over something as complex as an on-side kick. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

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2020-09-22 2:25:43 PM  
Other than not knowing the rules, which I don't think that was it, I think they were either 1) too afraid to make a mistake, which is bad coaching, or 2) assuming it would eventually stop before it got 10 yards.

To give them some defense, it was the weirdest looking thing I've ever seen.  It's almost unbelievable he could ever kick it like that again without it rotating on to the laces or end to make it start to bounce a bit.
 
2020-09-22 2:29:19 PM  
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2020-09-22 2:35:45 PM  

PainInTheASP: I don't know the rules as well as a player should, but even I was thinking "why aren't they picking the ball up?  Do they think they have to wait or something?"


Just bad coaching.  My high school coach would take about 10 minutes each week to read and explain a part of the rule book and anytime one of my fellow players said something that was wrong.  Knowing and understanding the rules is fundamental to winning.

/soccer coach, but whatever.  He was a really good coach.
 
2020-09-22 2:37:48 PM  
for all we know, the Falcons might have thought they were playing soccer
 
2020-09-22 2:39:19 PM  

NewWorldDan: PainInTheASP: I don't know the rules as well as a player should, but even I was thinking "why aren't they picking the ball up?  Do they think they have to wait or something?"

Just bad coaching.  My high school coach would take about 10 minutes each week to read and explain a part of the rule book and anytime one of my fellow players said something that was wrong.  Knowing and understanding the rules is fundamental to winning.

/soccer coach, but whatever.  He was a really good coach.


He could do a 3 day symposium in the offside rule.
 
2020-09-22 2:41:45 PM  
From the NFL rule 12:

Section 4: Illegal Bats and Kicks
Article 1: Illegal Bat. It is an illegal bat if:
(a) a player of either team bats or punches a loose ball in the field of play toward his opponent's goal line; or
(b) a player of either team bats or punches a loose ball (that has touched the ground) in any direction, if it is in either end zone; or
(c) an offensive player bats a backward pass in flight toward his opponent's goal line.


If they were afraid to try to control it, I believe they could have batted it backwards, either towards out of bounds or just back far enough were there are no Cowboys players to complicate trying to field it.  Not sure if there is another rule more specific to kickoffs and OOB, but as long as it is clearly backwards (towards their own goal line), I think it's legal.
 
2020-09-22 2:42:10 PM  
They all asked themselves "what would Leon Lett do?" And then did the opposite.
 
2020-09-22 2:49:15 PM  

hokiethug1992: They all asked themselves "what would Leon Lett do?" And then did the opposite.


They may ask themselves
How do onside kicks work.
And they may ask themselves
How do we handle a spinning ball.
And they may ask themselves
Do we wait or do we run
And they may say to themselves
My God, what have we done?

Letting the kicks go by...
 
2020-09-22 2:50:19 PM  
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2020-09-22 2:53:31 PM  
There were a number of things they could have done to avoid an onside kick in the first place.
 
2020-09-22 3:04:34 PM  

Kid Lester: If the ref needs to get both teams together and thoroughly explain the rules of a coin toss, you'd think he'd get them together to go over something as complex as an on-side kick. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

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They have blown the coin toss before, so they had to simply it so that NFL players would better understand the process.

They live by a warrior mentality.
 
2020-09-22 3:10:46 PM  

PainInTheASP: I don't know the rules as well as a player should, but even I was thinking "why aren't they picking the ball up?  Do they think they have to wait or something?"


they were hoping the ball would go out of bounds and they wouldn't have to do anything. most onsides kicks are successful because the receiving team touches the ball but doesn't manage to secure it. in this case, the ball was rolling so slowly that it would have been easy to fall on it or grab it without screwing up. but that's not what they're coached to do. they're told "you do not touch until it goes 10 yards."
 
2020-09-22 3:30:52 PM  

PainInTheASP: I don't know the rules as well as a player should, but even I was thinking "why aren't they picking the ball up?  Do they think they have to wait or something?"


But if it doesn't go 10 yards and you touch it, it becomes a live ball.

And, of course, fielding it securely is no easy matter. That's why you always see the receiving team fall right on top of an onside kick and cradle it. So if you don't think it's going to make it 10 yards, the safer thing to do is let it go.

Of course, you should still be crouched and at the ready when you see it moving vaguely in your direction, and that's what the Falcons failed to do. They got out-hustled to the ball.
 
2020-09-22 3:34:45 PM  
Arthur is realizing that Coach Bro is not a good coach.
 
2020-09-22 4:23:40 PM  

PainInTheASP: I don't know the rules as well as a player should, but even I was thinking "why aren't they picking the ball up?  Do they think they have to wait or something?"


I understand waiting for the ball to go ten yards.
What I do not understand is getting out of position and standing around watching it.
If they set up a perimeter around the ball blocking out the Cowboy players and then grabbed it once it passed ten yards then I would have understood.
 
2020-09-22 5:21:54 PM  

Super Chronic: PainInTheASP: I don't know the rules as well as a player should, but even I was thinking "why aren't they picking the ball up?  Do they think they have to wait or something?"

But if it doesn't go 10 yards and you touch it, it becomes a live ball.

And, of course, fielding it securely is no easy matter. That's why you always see the receiving team fall right on top of an onside kick and cradle it. So if you don't think it's going to make it 10 yards, the safer thing to do is let it go.

Of course, you should still be crouched and at the ready when you see it moving vaguely in your direction, and that's what the Falcons failed to do. They got out-hustled to the ball.


When it kicked, it looked like it might not go the 10 yards, so I understand waiting.  But it's not like it suddenly bounced and passed the 10 yard mark, it slowly meandered its way there.  At some point, it should have become obvious it would make it 10 yards.  Instead of risking mishandling it when they still had first crack at it, they decided to wait for it to go the full 10 yards before trying to recover it, with the same risk of mishandling, only now the Cowboys players could try to get there first, which they did.

Also, it's not like a traditional end over end onside kick that could suddenly pop up, making it easy to mishandle, it was just spinning.  Yeah, it might be hard to scoop it up with only your hands, but it is rather trivial to trap between your chest and arms while falling on it, especially if you're not competing with the other team, which has to wait for you to touch it first.
 
2020-09-22 6:19:09 PM  
Trying to pick it up before 10 yards would have been risky. Should have just kicked it out of bounds
 
2020-09-22 7:21:59 PM  
Next crazy onside kick to try:

No tee, lay the ball perpendicular to the line, then step on one side of the ball and try to give it an insane amount of backwards rotational spin. What you want to do is have the ball get out about10 yards and then spin back toward the kicking team.
 
2020-09-22 8:08:54 PM  
That mistake is squarely on the special teams coach for not reminding the hands team about receiving onside kicks, and only the kicking team needs to wait until it goes 10 yards
 
2020-09-22 8:30:57 PM  
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2020-09-22 9:26:26 PM  
In all fairness, the kick was so outside the norms of what they expected that I'm sure they were a bit dumbfounded. Trick plays always work best the first time because there are elements that defy convention.

It's not like teams spend a lot of time practicing onside kicks. Their relative infrequency has always made it a lower priority and the rule changes before the season made it even less likely to be successful. When combined with limited reps due to covid-19, I assume it received very little concern.
 
2020-09-22 10:14:51 PM  
It's the Falcons.  What do you expect?
 
2020-09-23 4:12:46 AM  

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28-3. Never forget.
 
2020-09-23 4:19:50 AM  

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That's a "I shaved my balls for this" moment if I've ever seen one.
 
2020-09-23 7:39:33 AM  

ZMugg: NewWorldDan: PainInTheASP: I don't know the rules as well as a player should, but even I was thinking "why aren't they picking the ball up?  Do they think they have to wait or something?"

Just bad coaching.  My high school coach would take about 10 minutes each week to read and explain a part of the rule book and anytime one of my fellow players said something that was wrong.  Knowing and understanding the rules is fundamental to winning.

/soccer coach, but whatever.  He was a really good coach.

He could do a 3 day symposium in the offside rule.


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2020-09-23 3:35:30 PM  
Having now seen the kick, I can only say that Quinn's explanation about blocking assignments is Press Secretary level of spin.  More spin than that football had.

His receiving team watched as the Cowboys followed it to the 10 yard mark and let them cover it.  I'd check their heads or their bank accounts for a payment from Dallas because there's no way a pro player would forget that he can get the ball as soon as it leaves the tee.
 
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