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2020-09-22 4:34:17 PM  
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2020-09-22 7:55:41 PM  
Yeah, it's perfect for 2020.
 
2020-09-22 7:59:30 PM  
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2020-09-22 8:02:18 PM  
Pretty sure Australia regularly manages to have one part of the continent underwater while another part is on fire. It sucks.
 
2020-09-22 8:10:49 PM  
The US Department of the Inferior has announced a contract with Trump Airways to deploy a fleet of fire prevention aircraft in the western states next spring.
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2020-09-22 8:19:25 PM  
Thanks for the earworm.
James Taylor - Fire and Rain - Live 1970
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2020-09-22 8:20:24 PM  
I have. 1993. But who remembers lo those many eons ago.
 
2020-09-22 8:20:53 PM  
Hell in this life
Hell in the next
Welcome to damnation everlasting
You know you've earned it
Embrace it
 
2020-09-22 8:28:54 PM  
Nice! Made it in before this thread gets shat on by the climate-change deniers/trolls!
 
2020-09-22 8:37:05 PM  
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Tourists, I swear....
 
2020-09-22 8:50:18 PM  
No schitt?

Yet we still have people who don't believe it or lie about it: the idiots, the people in charge of the idiots, and those watching profit margins.
 
2020-09-22 9:02:21 PM  
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2020-09-22 9:04:06 PM  
Climate change deniers, like flat earthers, are mostly religious. They refuse to accept that their god would allow anything to happen to the Earth and its inhabitants that isn't part of the "divine plan". So to them, they can do anything to the Earth they want, God won't let the environment get bad enough to kill us.
 
2020-09-22 9:04:07 PM  

N3v3r5ubmit: Hell in this life
Hell in the next
Welcome to damnation everlasting
You know you've earned it
Embrace it


I do not know that. Give me the great fun times that earned me this shiat and I'd say fair 'nuff, but I didn't get those. I guess that too, is part of the punishment.
 
2020-09-22 9:11:33 PM  
I blame Adele
 
2020-09-22 9:15:03 PM  
Samsonite Swan, sorry to disappoint.  If it makes you feel better, here's a chart showing actual observed warming over 40 years, as measured by satellites, compared to the 102 climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change when it made its dire predictions of 1.4 to 5.8 degrees celsius increase by 2100.

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Herr Morgenstern, I'm not religious, and I'm actually agnostic.  In the absence of sufficient evidence, I choose not to form a belief.  I'm consistent with both my religion and my science that way.
 
2020-09-22 9:20:32 PM  

Herr Morgenstern: Climate change deniers, like flat earthers, are mostly religious. They refuse to accept that their god would allow anything to happen to the Earth and its inhabitants that isn't part of the "divine plan". So to them, they can do anything to the Earth they want, God won't let the environment get bad enough to kill us.


End times dispensationalism: The "some idiot's rantings" from early Victorian England that would've been forgotten the way they deserve to be forgotten... if the American southern racists hadn't needed an excuse for chattel slavery.
 
2020-09-22 9:30:21 PM  

Nidiot: Pretty sure Australia regularly manages to have one part of the continent underwater while another part is on fire. It sucks.


Yes, but we do it to keep the carnivorous sheep and venomous trees under control.
 
2020-09-22 9:47:34 PM  

Kolg8: Samsonite Swan, sorry to disappoint.  If it makes you feel better, here's a chart showing actual observed warming over 40 years, as measured by satellites, compared to the 102 climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change when it made its dire predictions of 1.4 to 5.8 degrees celsius increase by 2100.

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Herr Morgenstern, I'm not religious, and I'm actually agnostic.  In the absence of sufficient evidence, I choose not to form a belief.  I'm consistent with both my religion and my science that way.


Ahhhh, I see the argument is shifting again:
"Global warming is false!"
"Well, maybe there's global warming... but humans have no impact!"
"I guess global warming is real and caused by humans... but it's not as bad as you thought it'd be!"
 
2020-09-22 10:03:50 PM  

Kolg8: Samsonite Swan, sorry to disappoint.  If it makes you feel better, here's a chart showing actual observed warming over 40 years, as measured by satellites, compared to the 102 climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change when it made its dire predictions of 1.4 to 5.8 degrees celsius increase by 2100.

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Herr Morgenstern, I'm not religious, and I'm actually agnostic.  In the absence of sufficient evidence, I choose not to form a belief.  I'm consistent with both my religion and my science that way.


Another thing worth noting on that graphic: perhaps the actual warming trends are lower because those energy policies were enacted.
 
2020-09-22 10:05:44 PM  

Kolg8: Samsonite Swan, sorry to disappoint.  If it makes you feel better, here's a chart showing actual observed warming over 40 years, as measured by satellites, compared to the 102 climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change when it made its dire predictions of 1.4 to 5.8 degrees celsius increase by 2100.

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Herr Morgenstern, I'm not religious, and I'm actually agnostic.  In the absence of sufficient evidence, I choose not to form a belief.  I'm consistent with both my religion and my science that way.


That graph is by John Christy and that's the satellite measure of a part of a layer of the atmosphere. Those aren't surface anomalies. The current surface anomaly is around 1C and matches the models very closely. Current climate sensitivity estimates for the surface temperature is around 2C-2.5C per doubling of cO2. Relevant because 2C is a threshold for all kinds of bad things.

If there's a problem with current models of the troposphere it's curious, but we don't live in the troposphere. Models are improved all the time. I don't know how many are currently used. It's possible that Christy has just put every model that was ever written to make that graph. Be skeptical of your skeptics as well, eh? His assertion is that because this part of the models predict more than we've observed so discount all of AGW is a bit of a stretch. How to  account for the accuracy of the models for surface temps?

Skepticism has a shelf life because we all have shelf lives. Eventually, people use science to make decisions because science doesn't have an abstract existence. It's a human activity. When NASA was building rockets to put up satellites and spaceships, their models of rocketry were flawed. So, they improved their models. They didn't throw up their hands and say "rockets will never work."

Some scientists always have an axe to grind, and some of those axes are political as well. A lot of the early skepticism was by the same crowd that defended tobacco.  I remember a study that pointed out some anomaly about some place in the US that was cooling or something. It turned out that the scientist -- I'm remembering that it was Richard Lindzen but I could be wrong  -- had combed the record for some spot that had a peculiar record. His study was only applicable for that one area. It's called cherry picking. It's possible because the world is messy.

Christy's tropical troposphere issue gets trotted out all the time. Meanwhile, the surface temps keep climbing. Waiting for perfect knowledge is just a delaying tactic.
 
2020-09-22 10:17:28 PM  
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2020-09-22 10:20:20 PM  
Just checked the weather report.
You people are getting excited over nothing.

Just took a trip to California and back. I could see the smoke from the fires the whole time.
It's sad that throighout the entire trip, I wouldn't be able to convince people that live along the route, that it is a symptom of climate change.
12 states.  11, if I  can remove California due to some people that get it.
 
2020-09-22 10:31:57 PM  
As for the fires, you realize that the years of 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017 and 2018 all were years that burned more acres as of year-to-date, right?
 
2020-09-22 11:01:41 PM  
I mean, not at all to discount the global warming that collapsed TWO ice shelves in Antarctica this week, and has sent the Greenland glaciers into permanent retreat; but fire and flood in CA is the wrong metric to use.

In 1993, after a winter of torrential rains, Malibu burned to the sea in a ghastly conflagration; in 2003,  the hills of San Diego burned to ashes, threatening Qualcomm Stadium and the 2004 Superbowl; in the following year, rains were so heavy  they almost soaked the hillsides off.

Fire and flood are the two seasons we've got here, it's just how it is.
 
2020-09-22 11:58:12 PM  
I didn't write this song this year or even last year...

Gets more true every futhermucking year.

Ho ho ho...
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2020-09-23 12:16:37 AM  
Exited an off ramp on I-10 at Laplace today and almost lost my car in high water with no escape route. Farking water in Lake Pontchartrain is faaaaaaaarking unbelievably high.
 
2020-09-23 1:25:32 AM  

Samsonite Swan: Kolg8: Samsonite Swan, sorry to disappoint.  If it makes you feel better, here's a chart showing actual observed warming over 40 years, as measured by satellites, compared to the 102 climate models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change when it made its dire predictions of 1.4 to 5.8 degrees celsius increase by 2100.

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Herr Morgenstern, I'm not religious, and I'm actually agnostic.  In the absence of sufficient evidence, I choose not to form a belief.  I'm consistent with both my religion and my science that way.

Ahhhh, I see the argument is shifting again:
"Global warming is false!"
"Well, maybe there's global warming... but humans have no impact!"
"I guess global warming is real and caused by humans... but it's not as bad as you thought it'd be!"


The good news is, we haven't made it to "well there's nothing we can do about it, so we might as well learn to live with it".
 
2020-09-23 1:29:27 AM  
"Bigger downpours are becoming more common in the East, where the summer has gotten 16% wetter in the last 30 years."

What's amazing is that it used to be for the last 20 years, you could set you watch by later afternoon thunderstorms developing over Lake Okeechobee and heading towards the coast during the summer. 2-3:00, daily occurrence. Some of those storms were freaking ruthless as well.

Now, if they do form; they barely make it east of I-95 around here. Sure, we still get some afternoon thunderstorms but nowhere near like we used to. Maybe once every week or two, as opposed to daily.

Makes me think.
 
2020-09-23 7:06:15 PM  
Samsonite swan, no, changing energy policy is not the answer. Atmospheric CO2 has increased from about 330ppm since 1975, to about 410ppm currently. So energy policy (think about China and all their coal burning power plants) has had no meaningful impact On CO2 levels.
 
2020-09-23 7:21:29 PM  
Samsonite swan, you actually describe the IPCC pretty well.

The first is that it has warmed over the last 50 years,   By about a half of a degree Celsius. It has.

The second is that humans, in particular CO2 increases, have contributed to it. Humans contributing to it, I agree (but I'm skeptical that it's CO2).

Lastly, if we don't reduce   CO2 levels, temperature will increase 1.4 to 5.8 degrees Celsius, and lead to increased sea level, extreme weather, drought, forest fires, etc. And that's where I call bullshiat.
 
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