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2020-09-22 10:43:25 PM  
Good. fark 'em.
 
2020-09-22 10:44:29 PM  
Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.
 
2020-09-22 10:48:54 PM  
Wtf
 
2020-09-22 10:52:45 PM  
If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.  However, if the National Guard and Police were illegally cooperating with an illegal militia, especially if said illegal militia was politically motivated and was targeting people of color, then someone is guilty for allowing a dangerous situation to develop where it would have been reasonable for a business owner to think he was under attack by unlawful militia posing as National Guardsmen.  Just my opinion.
 
2020-09-22 10:53:04 PM  
Jesus Christ.
 
2020-09-22 10:54:47 PM  

omg bbq: Wtf


We're here for you, man.
This will not go unpunished.
 
2020-09-22 10:55:20 PM  

winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.  However, if the National Guard and Police were illegally cooperating with an illegal militia, especially if said illegal militia was politically motivated and was targeting people of color, then someone is guilty for allowing a dangerous situation to develop where it would have been reasonable for a business owner to think he was under attack by unlawful militia posing as National Guardsmen.  Just my opinion.


Would this have been the Democrat Governor or the Democrat Mayor?
 
2020-09-22 10:56:02 PM  
Well, this thread already has me confused.  I guess that means I should go to bed or something.

Uh. good night,
 
2020-09-22 10:57:42 PM  

Not_Todd: winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.  However, if the National Guard and Police were illegally cooperating with an illegal militia, especially if said illegal militia was politically motivated and was targeting people of color, then someone is guilty for allowing a dangerous situation to develop where it would have been reasonable for a business owner to think he was under attack by unlawful militia posing as National Guardsmen.  Just my opinion.

Would this have been the Democrat Governor or the Democrat Mayor?


How many lies is Trump up to? Is it more than 20,000 now?
 
2020-09-22 11:00:32 PM  

Not_Todd: winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.  However, if the National Guard and Police were illegally cooperating with an illegal militia, especially if said illegal militia was politically motivated and was targeting people of color, then someone is guilty for allowing a dangerous situation to develop where it would have been reasonable for a business owner to think he was under attack by unlawful militia posing as National Guardsmen.  Just my opinion.

Would this have been the Democrat Governor or the Democrat Mayor?


Isn't that kind of beside the point?
The person in question is a BBQ chef. We can't have people shooting BBQ chefs - for ANY reason.
In case I'm not making myself clear - we are discussing  a very specific phenomenon.
At a certain point in time, no BBQ exists - then, this person comes along, and does their thing, and there is BBQ.
This is not a telephone sanitizer or a travel agent or a United States Senator we are talking about - it's a deeply, profoundly useful human being, and there has to be some other way.
 
2020-09-22 11:02:09 PM  
Rotten to the core.

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2020-09-22 11:05:27 PM  

12349876: Rotten to the core.

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Like, you didn't expect them to actually know they were the baddies did you?
 
2020-09-22 11:16:17 PM  
For fark's sake.
 
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2020-09-22 11:17:39 PM  

Not_Todd: Would this have been the Democrat Governor or the Democrat Mayor?


No, it would be the simpleton Fark poster.
 
2020-09-22 11:21:53 PM  

12349876: Rotten to the core.

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"They will be the ones washing our cars, cashing us out at the Walmart"

They still haven't quite picked up on the "Yeah, we don't like it when you perpetuate a class war and categorize your jobs of protecting and serving the community as a you vs us." thing. Nope, just a bunch of thugs asking for them to be held accountable for their actions.
 
2020-09-22 11:24:10 PM  
The guard member who shot McAtee could not be identified because two were in the area when the fatal round was fired

Is ballistic forensics not a thing anymore?
 
2020-09-22 11:31:50 PM  
While certainly minor in the grand scheme of things, that article was infuriating in that it referred to the National Guard soldiers as "members" every single time. Calling guardsmen "members" always makes it sound like a club, but I can understand a writer trying to change things up a little so as to not be monotonous. So in between using "soldier", "troops", and "guardsman ", sure, throw in the occasional "Guard member". But not exclusively. It makes one wonder if the writer even knows that guardsmen are, in fact, soldiers.
 
2020-09-22 11:37:25 PM  

C18H27NO3: The guard member who shot McAtee could not be identified because two were in the area when the fatal round was fired

Is ballistic forensics not a thing anymore?


And both were shooting?
 
2020-09-22 11:41:45 PM  

winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.


Why were they shooting into his kitchen?

Sounds like the "light 'em up" video where cops are attacking people for standing in their homes and looking at the police.


'Light 'Em Up!' Police shoot paint rounds at people on their own property
Youtube OTFNEbUcStQ
 
2020-09-22 11:42:03 PM  
You misspelled murdered.
 
2020-09-22 11:46:57 PM  

jaytkay: winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.

Why were they shooting into his kitchen?

Sounds like the "light 'em up" video where cops are attacking people for standing in their homes and looking at the police.


[YouTube video: 'Light 'Em Up!' Police shoot paint rounds at people on their own property]


Where are all the Fark 2nd amendment warriors to defend this persons personal property?
 
2020-09-22 11:53:46 PM  

shinji3i: 12349876: Rotten to the core.

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"They will be the ones washing our cars, cashing us out at the Walmart"

They still haven't quite picked up on the "Yeah, we don't like it when you perpetuate a class war and categorize your jobs of protecting and serving the community as a you vs us." thing. Nope, just a bunch of thugs asking for them to be held accountable for their actions.


Exactly.
And just what is wrong with playing COD in the basement?!!
 
2020-09-22 11:57:24 PM  
Major Asshole
 
2020-09-23 12:02:38 AM  
The description of events in that story.... Jesus wept, that read like a scene from Somalia, not the richest most technologically advanced country in the world.

Military on the streets, police using chemical weapons on people on the streets, rioting, a man firing a gun to defend himself and then being shot dead in the streets by his own military.
 
2020-09-23 12:13:17 AM  

jaytkay: winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.

Why were they shooting into his kitchen?

Sounds like the "light 'em up" video where cops are attacking people for standing in their homes and looking at the police.


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I thought this was going to be that one incident but it's actually another one. Fark us all.
 
2020-09-23 12:13:48 AM  
Here's the video.  (Warning: Graphic)

RAW: Surveillance videos from the night David 'Yaya' McAtee was shot and killed
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It should start just before the 2 minute mark when the activity begins.    First it shows the video from inside the BBQ joint.   Then you see the same timeframe from the outside.

Apparently, the events in the video were after a curfew when the intersection next to the BBQ was full of activity.   The police and National Guard was called to clear the intersection.   The video shows the BBQ restaurant in full operation with a tent outside and pedestrians using it as a place to come and go from the street and sidewalk.   Some people are sitting in folding chairs on the sidewalk just next to the restaurant.

The National Guard trucks show up (3:45 in second half of video), and some people start to clear out.   About a minute later, the police are seen with pepper ball guns clearing the intersection on foot and this drives pedestrians onto the BBQ joint property and then into the kitchen.  The police follow with National Guard as backup and zero in on the BBQ door as people flee into it.   (5:00 mark)   The police fire pepper balls at the BBQ joint as the last few people are entering.     (People fleeing into the restaurant seem aware that these are pepper balls and not bullets.  They're not running.)

The owner pulls out a gun as he pushes his way towards the door where these last few people are coming in,  he leans out, the police shoot pepper spray, and he fires, and then leans back in.  In the exterior video you can see the officers fall back to take cover after receiving fire.  When the owner leans out again and fires, the National Guard members are prepared to return fire (with actual bullets) and immediately the owner is hit and stumbles inside.

I didn't see any reason for the police to pursue the pedestrians towards that business, much less shoot pepper balls onto private property as the people appeared to be (finally) complying and were no longer on the street or sidewalks.   Yet the police zeroed in on them and that business.   The police clearly used methods and made decisions that escalated the situation beyond what was required to clear the streets.

The owner used poor judgement, but he doesn't have to be an angel to still make the case that the policing methods were not only disproportionate and extreme to enforce a curfew, but the curfew enforcement itself was unfairly targeting primarily Black communities in the city.
 
2020-09-23 12:15:00 AM  

g.fro: While certainly minor in the grand scheme of things, that article was infuriating in that it referred to the National Guard soldiers as "members" every single time. Calling guardsmen "members" always makes it sound like a club, but I can understand a writer trying to change things up a little so as to not be monotonous. So in between using "soldier", "troops", and "guardsman ", sure, throw in the occasional "Guard member". But not exclusively. It makes one wonder if the writer even knows that guardsmen are, in fact, soldiers.


I have been assured by a conservative that National Guardsmen are not soldiers and the fact that I referred to them as such derailed my whole argument.

My argument was people feel threatened when armed groups start pointing rifles and it doesn't matter if the armed group are soldiers, cops, or mercs.
 
2020-09-23 12:17:37 AM  

12349876: Rotten to the core.


Is she brave enough to use a riot gun as a dildo?
 
2020-09-23 12:26:11 AM  

winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.  However, if the National Guard and Police were illegally cooperating with an illegal militia, especially if said illegal militia was politically motivated and was targeting people of color, then someone is guilty for allowing a dangerous situation to develop where it would have been reasonable for a business owner to think he was under attack by unlawful militia posing as National Guardsmen.  Just my opinion.


Yup.  If he raised his gun or shot, it was clearly in defense of the people inside his business.  He didn't go out looking for trouble, he stood by the entry and tried to defend it.
 
2020-09-23 12:29:03 AM  

C18H27NO3: The guard member who shot McAtee could not be identified because two were in the area when the fatal round was fired

Is ballistic forensics not a thing anymore?


That was the question I had too. The best explanation I Can come up with given such little information is that they weren't keeping track of which NG guy had which weapon. And that should definitely be addressed and answered for.
 
2020-09-23 12:30:44 AM  

C18H27NO3: The guard member who shot McAtee could not be identified because two were in the area when the fatal round was fired

Is ballistic forensics not a thing anymore?


The NYPD can track the logo on a t-shirt on a grainy photo to an etsy store, get a list of customers in the area, then run that list against databases that have scraped every single photo on the internet to locate a suspect.

Cops can do this when it involves prosecuting someone who has crossed them, but when it involves finding out who shot up a BBQ joint that they had no business even being at...well then they just trot out the ol' reliable "this isnt like CSI we might never know who did it!"
 
2020-09-23 12:32:04 AM  

Not_Todd: winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.  However, if the National Guard and Police were illegally cooperating with an illegal militia, especially if said illegal militia was politically motivated and was targeting people of color, then someone is guilty for allowing a dangerous situation to develop where it would have been reasonable for a business owner to think he was under attack by unlawful militia posing as National Guardsmen.  Just my opinion.

Would this have been the Democrat Governor or the Democrat Mayor?


bleah bleah bleah shinebox etc etc JFC you are a stupid mofo.
 
2020-09-23 12:38:58 AM  

C18H27NO3: The guard member who shot McAtee could not be identified because two were in the area when the fatal round was fired

Is ballistic forensics not a thing anymore?


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2020-09-23 1:12:37 AM  
"Unaware of what was causing the chaos..."

I mean puhlease how many gang members or criminals shoot pepper balls for which the appropriate move is to come out with a gun displayed, and he missed the blinky police lights? I guess defending your business when black is entirely appropriate and he wins leftist sympathies, then explain the St Louis couple who shot no one and had a riot break down their fence and enter their yard, wrong color holding the gun in that case and doesn't fit the agenda? I mean do you guys read your rhetoric and actually believe if you say it long enough reality will shift?
 
2020-09-23 1:42:13 AM  

shinji3i: 12349876: Rotten to the core.

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"They will be the ones washing our cars, cashing us out at the Walmart"

They still haven't quite picked up on the "Yeah, we don't like it when you perpetuate a class war and categorize your jobs of protecting and serving the community as a you vs us." thing. Nope, just a bunch of thugs asking for them to be held accountable for their actions.


Well, I mean they are lower class people and therefore not deserving of rights, respect or life. I mean they work at Wal-Mart for God's sake. You can't let the trash go around not knowing they aren't real people.

I don't actually believe this.
 
2020-09-23 1:45:47 AM  

Lipspinach: Not_Todd: winedrinkingman: If he did fire a gun at the National Guard, then the National Guard would be justified in returning fire.  However, if the National Guard and Police were illegally cooperating with an illegal militia, especially if said illegal militia was politically motivated and was targeting people of color, then someone is guilty for allowing a dangerous situation to develop where it would have been reasonable for a business owner to think he was under attack by unlawful militia posing as National Guardsmen.  Just my opinion.

Would this have been the Democrat Governor or the Democrat Mayor?

bleah bleah bleah shinebox etc etc JFC you are a stupid mofo.


Why are we still playing party politics? We should be past this by now.
 
2020-09-23 6:57:01 AM  
Now I want BBQ.
 
2020-09-23 7:41:18 AM  

Kalyco Jack: C18H27NO3: The guard member who shot McAtee could not be identified because two were in the area when the fatal round was fired

Is ballistic forensics not a thing anymore?

That was the question I had too. The best explanation I Can come up with given such little information is that they weren't keeping track of which NG guy had which weapon. And that should definitely be addressed and answered for.


Also: "The body cams of the police involved were deactivated during the shooting, in violation of department policy. "
 
2020-09-23 8:01:35 AM  

kdawg7736: Now I want BBQ.


Me tooooo.
 
2020-09-23 9:48:01 AM  

kdawg7736: Now I want BBQ.


Don't order the side of pepperballs.
 
2020-09-23 10:43:00 AM  

chuggernaught: ...

I have been assured by a conservative that National Guardsmen are not soldiers and the fact that I referred to them as such derailed my whole argument.

My argument was people feel threatened when armed groups start pointing rifles and it doesn't matter if the armed group are soldiers, cops, or mercs.


Whoever told you that is an idiot and definitely never served in the Guard. The fact it says "U.S. ARMY" (or "U.S. AIR FORCE") on their uniforms makes it kind of obvious.
 
2020-09-23 10:46:21 AM  

Voiceofreason01: ..

Where are all the Fark 2nd amendment warriors to defend this persons personal property?


Is anyone saying he didn't or shouldn't have the right to own his gun?
 
2020-09-23 1:53:07 PM  

jso2897: The person in question is a BBQ chef. We can't have people shooting BBQ chefs - for ANY reason.


The shooter's occupation is irrelevant. He fired on the police and soldiers. That is a valid reason for them to return fire.
 
2020-09-23 3:39:38 PM  

FriarED1: jso2897: The person in question is a BBQ chef. We can't have people shooting BBQ chefs - for ANY reason.

The shooter's occupation is irrelevant. He fired on the police and soldiers. That is a valid reason for them to return fire.


And what was the valid reason the police and guardsmen had to keep firing pepper rounds into his business after the crowd had been dispersed?
 
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