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(Vox)   America's undemocratic institutions are reinforcing each other in a negative feedback loop leading to permanent minority rule   (vox.com) divider line
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2020-09-22 10:26:22 AM  
We know.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2020-09-22 10:47:23 AM  
I am not sure that the mass protests are going to work.  It's looking like the right is already planning to crack down hard on protestors.
 
2020-09-22 10:53:00 AM  
When did a minority not rule?
 
2020-09-22 11:05:20 AM  
This isn't 'minority rule.' Trump-voters combined with people too apathetic to vote are a majority, and government is currently respecting their wishes for unaccountable, unapologetic leadership.
 
2020-09-22 11:27:34 AM  
Welcome to South Africa II - Attack of the Boogaloos.
 
2020-09-22 11:36:02 AM  
Trump divided by zero.
 
2020-09-22 11:37:25 AM  
failed state
 
2020-09-22 11:38:57 AM  
Technically, that's a positive feedback loop. Although the results are anything but.
 
2020-09-22 11:39:31 AM  
Permanent fauxjority, which will get more and more ruthless as it gets smaller in numbers.
 
2020-09-22 11:40:20 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Welcome to South Africa II - Attack of the Boogaloos.


Considering all the bullshiat that we do in foreign relations, when will Europe and China start sanctions and state-enforced boycotts?
 
2020-09-22 11:40:33 AM  
No money for Fark until I know for sure Drew or any other fark mods from Kentucky are not voting for  McConnell.

Weed them out.
 
2020-09-22 11:41:13 AM  

1000Monkeys: Technically, that's a positive feedback loop. Although the results are anything but.


Came to say this. Negative feedback, in many cases, is a good thing. Systems with negative feedback, in their worst case, seize- they just stop working. But most of the time, negative feedback is how we keep systems under control. Positive feedback, in its worst case, causes systems to explode.

shiat is about to explode.
 
2020-09-22 11:41:34 AM  
Yeah that's the republican goal
 
2020-09-22 11:47:17 AM  
People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.
 
2020-09-22 11:47:44 AM  

vpb: I am not sure that the mass protests are going to work.  It's looking like the right is already planning to crack down hard on protestors.


And the crackdowns will be violent. Or rather, more violent than they have already been.

Bank on it.

Trump loses election but challenges in court. While that debate happens, people take to the streets. He enforces violent suppression of those protests, causing them to get worse, which "justifies" even more violence against them.

Meanwhile, Supreme Court finds some ridiculous reason to install him as president.

More protests, this time worse, and now right wing militia groups and LARPers come out to start shooting protesters. Lots of blood in the streets.

Most agencies run by sycophants so there is no oversight, objective people in intelligence and law enforcement are forced out, and senate and House GOP bend to Trump's will at every turn otherwise they will lose their seat. Dems are unable to do much of anything to check his power. They can't pass bills because McConnell blocks them all. Any action is futile.

Over the next four years another judge is replaced. Protests never really stop. They become unceasing. Country is deemed "unsafe" and this is used as justification for Trump to not leave office in 2024. It's a "national emergency." The GOP allows this to happen, the Supreme Court upholds it.

He stays as long as he wants. The republic as we know it withers.

Is this fiction?

...
 
2020-09-22 11:48:13 AM  
"If Democrats win, they would have not only the power that McConnell currently wields but also the genuine popular mandate he pretends to have - and they should use it."

ABSO-FARKING-LUTELY!!! 

Democrats need to quit shying away from setting new precedents when the other party has given up on them. Quit playing by the old rules and adopt the new rules!
 
2020-09-22 11:48:47 AM  

vpb: I am not sure that the mass protests are going to work.  It's looking like the right is already planning to crack down hard on protestors.


The protests aren't going to work.  We have democratic but seriously flawed elections-protests are only necessary when such don't exist.

The flaw in this case is is that the right has its finger on the scale due to the very design of the Senate (specifically, that small states, which tend to be rural and therefore conservative, get as many Senators as large, liberal states with as much as 68 times the population).  This will always be the case, barring a series of extremely unlikely events, at least in the short to medium term (in the very long term, there may be enough non-white voters in enough different states that this advantage will go away).

That is, the Senate has a rotten borough problem with no fix in sight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Rotten_a​nd_pocket_boroughs
 
2020-09-22 11:51:27 AM  
Dems are no longer worried about minorities?
 
2020-09-22 11:51:40 AM  
Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.
 
2020-09-22 11:54:20 AM  
Yeah, Senate Democrats represent 15,000,000 more people than the fecken Senate GOP. That's 15 Million more people for you red hats.
 
2020-09-22 11:55:42 AM  

Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.


If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.
 
2020-09-22 11:59:05 AM  
The problem with protests is that unless they come with a serious threat to those in power they can be safely ignored. The rural states and the south will never stop voting for republicans as long as republicans are willing to pander to the pro-gun/anti-woman/racist crowd so they will always have a place in the Senate and a path to the Whitehouse. The only way protests will have any effect on republicans is if they are combined with a general strike or guillotines.
 
2020-09-22 12:00:04 PM  

Saiga410: Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.

If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.


Dems could adopt every republican party plank and they would still lose because the problem isn't gun control or abortion, its that deep down the white rural voter knows that the Dems care about minorities and that is simply something they cannot stomach.
 
2020-09-22 12:00:36 PM  

Saiga410: Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.

If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.



Bullshiat. Abortion was just what the racists started using then they couldn't openly run on racism anymore.

Unfortunately, being able to run on a platform of open racism is back on the menu.

/ "gun control" is a red herring - that's a messaging problem not a platform problem
 
2020-09-22 12:01:26 PM  

Saiga410: Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.

If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.


So if we just give in to fascists such as yourself? No. We are Americans and have dealt with you filth before. We can do it again.
 
2020-09-22 12:02:00 PM  

Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.


Kill FPTP so pro-lifers have more choices (LOL).

Seriously. That's the solution. Stop the Right from being able to keep that constituency captive to whatever other bad ideas they have, and using it to promote those well beyond their actual popularity.
 
2020-09-22 12:02:03 PM  

Mail Order American Husband: The problem with protests is that unless they come with a serious threat to those in power they can be safely ignored. The rural states and the south will never stop voting for republicans as long as republicans are willing to pander to the pro-gun/anti-woman/racist crowd so they will always have a place in the Senate and a path to the Whitehouse. The only way protests will have any effect on republicans is if they are combined with a general strike or guillotines.


We made those traitors howl once. Might be time to do it again.
 
2020-09-22 12:03:13 PM  

Blathering Idjut: People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.


The electoral college and the Senate were a means of ensuring that the smaller states' interests could not be completely outweighed by the larger states' populations (although this WOULD be the case in the House).
Without such assurance, the smaller states would not have agreed to join the union. They are part of the compact between the states.

If you think that this is no longer relevant, take a look at the politics if California vs. Idaho vs. other states. The insanity in CA stays in CA.  But even if most people thought so, it takes a constitutional amendment to change them.

Its still relevant and critical to ensuring that geographically different groups are approriately represented.   More importantly, these are not "undemocratuc institutions". They are spelled out in our constitution and key to our system of democratic government.

These ideas are all Civics 101, although now its possible to get an ivy league BA without learning them.
 
2020-09-22 12:03:49 PM  

Saiga410: Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.

If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.


Democrats need to resign themselves to living in a violent, gun-filled dystopia where only the ridiculously rich can get abortions just to get more votes?
 
2020-09-22 12:04:06 PM  
I still hate the Dallas Cowboys from back when they were supposedly the franchise the NFL picked for all the markets that were too small to have their own team.

This is the same kind of shiat. One group is cramming crap we don't want down our throats with the Fox News cheerleaders shaking it to distract small market America from reality.

At least the Cowboys weren't backed by the Kremlin.
 
2020-09-22 12:05:47 PM  

Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.


What could the Democrats offer that the Republicans aren't already giving them? Rural areas hoover up welfare in the form of Medicare and Social Security, farmers reap the benefits of government subsidies and protectionist trade policies, and all the while the Republicans are there to assure them that they're nothing like those big city welfare queens because they're doing it totally on their own, like a mother teaching a toddler how to ride a bike with training wheels. Any Democrat who tries to shatter that illusion for the sake of expanding their privileges to non-whites and city slickers will get run out of town.

I say the Dems should take the same scorched earth approach that the GOP does with the cities. Take away the subsidies, take away the trade protections, and let the agricultural sector burn to the ground until they've learned their lesson about the values of the free market. They'll reconsider voting Dem once the only land they have left is the dirt their faces are pressed up against.
 
2020-09-22 12:07:15 PM  

Animatronik: Blathering Idjut: People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.

The electoral college and the Senate were a means of ensuring that the smaller states' interests could not be completely outweighed by the larger states' populations (although this WOULD be the case in the House).
Without such assurance, the smaller states would not have agreed to join the union. They are part of the compact between the states.

If you think that this is no longer relevant, take a look at the politics if California vs. Idaho vs. other states. The insanity in CA stays in CA.  But even if most people thought so, it takes a constitutional amendment to change them.

Its still relevant and critical to ensuring that geographically different groups are approriately represented.   More importantly, these are not "undemocratuc institutions". They are spelled out in our constitution and key to our system of democratic government.

These ideas are all Civics 101, although now its possible to get an ivy league BA without learning them.


Counter: One man, one vote, not one man, 68 votes.  Also, the difference between the smallest state and the largest has grown significantly over the years.
 
2020-09-22 12:09:47 PM  
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"You see, the minority party deserves to run things because they represent Real Americans unlike the party that gets more votes. It was a genius move planned by our founders not a strange circumstance of the ideological splits along urban/rural voting demographics."
 
2020-09-22 12:13:47 PM  
 

Animatronik: Blathering Idjut: People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.

The electoral college and the Senate were a means of ensuring that the smaller states' interests could not be completely outweighed by the larger states' populations (although this WOULD be the case in the House).
Without such assurance, the smaller states would not have agreed to join the union. They are part of the compact between the states.

If you think that this is no longer relevant, take a look at the politics if California vs. Idaho vs. other states. The insanity in CA stays in CA.  But even if most people thought so, it takes a constitutional amendment to change them.

Its still relevant and critical to ensuring that geographically different groups are approriately represented.   More importantly, these are not "undemocratuc institutions". They are spelled out in our constitution and key to our system of democratic government.

These ideas are all Civics 101, although now its possible to get an ivy league BA without learning them.


Smaller States? You mean Slave states?
 
2020-09-22 12:16:19 PM  

Geotpf: vpb: I am not sure that the mass protests are going to work.  It's looking like the right is already planning to crack down hard on protestors.

The protests aren't going to work.  We have democratic but seriously flawed elections-protests are only necessary when such don't exist.

The flaw in this case is is that the right has its finger on the scale due to the very design of the Senate (specifically, that small states, which tend to be rural and therefore conservative, get as many Senators as large, liberal states with as much as 68 times the population).  This will always be the case, barring a series of extremely unlikely events, at least in the short to medium term (in the very long term, there may be enough non-white voters in enough different states that this advantage will go away).

That is, the Senate has a rotten borough problem with no fix in sight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R​otten_and_pocket_boroughs


This doesn't really favor Republicans, at least nowhere near as much as folks go on about it.

Of the ten most populous states the GOP derives senators from:

Texas: 2 senators
Florida: 2 senators
Pennsylvania: 1 Senator
Ohio: 1 Senator
Georgia: 2 senators
North Carolina: 2 senators

Thats 10 of 20 senators available from the most populous states.

Of the 10 least populous states Democrats derive senators from:

Vermont: 2 senators
Delaware: 2 senators
Rhode Island: 2 senators
Maine: 1 Senator (independent caucuses with democrats), possibly soon to be 2.
New Hampshire: 2 senators

So out of 20 senators from the 10 least populous states democrats have 9, with a good chance to move to 10.

On the map it looks like it favors them a lot, because the small population red states are large areas, but at each end of the spectrum both the Democrats and Republicans have a virtually even split of Senate seats.
 
2020-09-22 12:21:56 PM  

Animatronik: Blathering Idjut: People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.

The electoral college and the Senate were a means of ensuring that the smaller states' interests could not be completely outweighed by the larger states' populations (although this WOULD be the case in the House).


States are arbitrary lines on a map.  They are not living, breathing citizens.

Without such assurance, the smaller states would not have agreed to join the union. They are part of the compact between the states.

Yes, we all learned about what slaves states demanded as a trade-off to join the Union.

If you think that this is no longer relevant, take a look at the politics if California vs. Idaho vs. other states. The insanity in CA stays in CA.  But even if most people thought so, it takes a constitutional amendment to change them.

Out of those two states Idaho is where most of the crazy lives, so your formulation is upside down.  But the real point is that it doesn't matter because individual citizens in both of those states should have equal say and equal representation.  Anything else is tyranny.  Why do you support tyranny?

Its still relevant and critical to ensuring that geographically different groups are approriately represented.   More importantly, these are not "undemocratuc institutions". They are spelled out in our constitution and key to our system of democratic government.

Blah, blah, blah.  "The minority should be able to subvert the majority because... reasons."  At best you could call these constitutional mechanisms protection for the minority, not to be abused as tools to subjugate America as republicans are doing now.

These ideas are all Civics 101, although now its possible to get an ivy league BA without learning them.

If conservatives cared about civics Al Gore would've been president and Merrick Garland would be on the court.  You guys play Calvinball.  That's it.
 
2020-09-22 12:22:59 PM  

Animatronik: Blathering Idjut: People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.

The electoral college and the Senate were a means of ensuring that the smaller states' interests could not be completely outweighed by the larger states' populations (although this WOULD be the case in the House).
Without such assurance, the smaller states would not have agreed to join the union. They are part of the compact between the states.


If you think that this is no longer relevant, take a look at the politics if California vs. Idaho vs. other states. The insanity in CA stays in CA.  But even if most people thought so, it takes a constitutional amendment to change them.

Its still relevant and critical to ensuring that geographically different groups are approriately represented.   More importantly, these are not "undemocratuc institutions". They are spelled out in our constitution and key to our system of democratic government.

These ideas are all Civics 101, although now its possible to get an ivy league BA without learning them.


If I were running a larger state like California today, I'd be openly asking if the compact between the states is still worth it given that smaller states can completely outweigh their concerns.
 
2020-09-22 12:23:41 PM  
The Us has always been about minority rule.

It was founded as a white supremacist oligarchy, and despite attempts to drag the system towards something resembling democracy an oligarchy it remains.
 
2020-09-22 12:24:53 PM  

tinderfitles: Saiga410: Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.

If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.

Dems could adopt every republican party plank and they would still lose because the problem isn't gun control or abortion, its that deep down the white rural voter knows that the Dems care about minorities and that is simply something they cannot stomach.


People in rural areas want someone to fight, and Republicans give it to them with their attacks on minorities.  Democrats should point out that racist policies make life worse for poor white people too, and that the wealthy don't give a fark about that collateral damage.

I wasn't crazy about Sanders, but he was good at redirecting anger away from stupid things and towards the people causing the real harm, and he did well in rural areas.
 
2020-09-22 12:26:56 PM  

Senseless_drivel: I still hate the Dallas Cowboys from back when they were supposedly the franchise the NFL picked for all the markets that were too small to have their own team.

This is the same kind of shiat. One group is cramming crap we don't want down our throats with the Fox News cheerleaders shaking it to distract small market America from reality.

At least the Cowboys weren't backed by the Kremlin.


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2020-09-22 12:27:08 PM  

physt: Animatronik: Blathering Idjut: People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.

The electoral college and the Senate were a means of ensuring that the smaller states' interests could not be completely outweighed by the larger states' populations (although this WOULD be the case in the House).
Without such assurance, the smaller states would not have agreed to join the union. They are part of the compact between the states.

If you think that this is no longer relevant, take a look at the politics if California vs. Idaho vs. other states. The insanity in CA stays in CA.  But even if most people thought so, it takes a constitutional amendment to change them.

Its still relevant and critical to ensuring that geographically different groups are approriately represented.   More importantly, these are not "undemocratuc institutions". They are spelled out in our constitution and key to our system of democratic government.

These ideas are all Civics 101, although now its possible to get an ivy league BA without learning them.

Smaller States? You mean Slave states?


This keeps getting repeated in these threads and I'm not sure why, but the smaller states pushing for the equal representation in the legislature at the time of the Constitution's adoption were the geographically smaller states in the northeast. The slave states were almost completely behind representation based on population size (and demanding that slaves be counted in the proportion).

Farming was the only real occupation at the time so the idea that a supermajority of the country would live in a handful of cities did not occur to the founders at all, which is a separate argument as to why the Constitution in its current state no longer suffices.
 
2020-09-22 12:27:43 PM  

Geotpf: Animatronik: Blathering Idjut: People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.

The electoral college and the Senate were a means of ensuring that the smaller states' interests could not be completely outweighed by the larger states' populations (although this WOULD be the case in the House).
Without such assurance, the smaller states would not have agreed to join the union. They are part of the compact between the states.

If you think that this is no longer relevant, take a look at the politics if California vs. Idaho vs. other states. The insanity in CA stays in CA.  But even if most people thought so, it takes a constitutional amendment to change them.

Its still relevant and critical to ensuring that geographically different groups are approriately represented.   More importantly, these are not "undemocratuc institutions". They are spelled out in our constitution and key to our system of democratic government.

These ideas are all Civics 101, although now its possible to get an ivy league BA without learning them.

Counter: One man, one vote, not one man, 68 votes.  Also, the difference between the smallest state and the largest has grown significantly over the years.


Our system is deliberately designed to avoid a pure democracy.  If what you want is a pure democracy, you need to time travel to Ancient Greece.
The fact is that reason you want to change the Constitution is actually a reason why we shouldn't, because it's important to give more weight to people who arent part of homogeneous urban majorities, based on the structure of the United States.  In other words, differences among states matter, and they deserve to be considered, to a smaller degree, as entities, when determining elections & the composition of the national government
 
2020-09-22 12:32:04 PM  

Saiga410: Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.

If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.


They can never drop the abortion issue. That one is going to be fought till the end of time or until all babies are born in pods. Dropping gun control would help, but it would take time to regain people's trust. If there really are 5 million new gun owners, I'm betting a big chunk of those are lefties, so I can see the party softening their stance on gun control.

Gun control has always hurt the left when it comes to elections. The AWB played a big part in the Republicans taking control in '94. Gore lost his home state and the presidency over it in 2000. Never once has that issue helped them.

With a conservative estimate 300,000,000 guns already in circulation with tens of millions of those being "assault weapons" the thought of any meaningful gun control was always ridiculous, and now if we get a 6-3 court the issue is completely dead. I would even bet on the court rolling back some of the laws like the ones in CA and NY.

With that issue off the table, the dems will start to pick up some rural votes. Not many, but as close as things are, it could be enough. But that's going to take years.
 
2020-09-22 12:32:10 PM  

t3knomanser: 1000Monkeys: Technically, that's a positive feedback loop. Although the results are anything but.

Came to say this. Negative feedback, in many cases, is a good thing. Systems with negative feedback, in their worst case, seize- they just stop working. But most of the time, negative feedback is how we keep systems under control. Positive feedback, in its worst case, causes systems to explode.

shiat is about to explode.


While the world goes to hell, only on fark can you witness a discussion wondering if said hell is endothermic or exothermic.

/The band on the Titanic was a bit pitchy in their last song and the drummer was out of beat.
 
2020-09-22 12:36:42 PM  

Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.


Unfortunately, I think the allure of Fox News and other conservative media (including facebook memes, disinformation, etc.) is going to be near impossible to break. It has been over a 40 year effort to propagandize an entire population to a point were facts, nuance, and logic is ignored and false and dubious narratives are manufactured and distributed widely with relative ease.

The only hope are the young people, who are not beholden to cable news, talk radio, or facebook and are more in-tuned to other sources of media. Get them to see the virtue of facts and logic and we can break the right-wing media stranglehold.
 
2020-09-22 12:39:19 PM  

Saiga410: Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.

If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.


Tell you what, they start supporting free markets, lower tax cuts for the wealthy, and cutting the welfare state they could pick up even more.
 
2020-09-22 12:44:02 PM  

Blathering Idjut: People who defend the EC, or over-representation in the senate can never explain what the difference between a tyranny of the majority and a tyranny of the minority would be in substance.  When it comes down to it it's simply THEY get to decide.  That's hardly a principle to build a nation on.


Tyranny of the minority never really needed a special label. It's just tyranny.
 
2020-09-22 12:45:25 PM  
A word on the protests...

Trump keeps yelling about what Biden's America will look like while showing videos of Trump's America, right now.

He then tells everyone that this will get worse when Biden wins.

He doesn't have the basic comprehension that these people are protesting TRUMP and people like him!!  When Biden is elected, we will have a President to say, "We hear you.  We will take action."  And the protests will stop.

What he is telling everyone is the exact opposite of what is really happening.  How the fark does he do that and get away with it all the time?!
 
2020-09-22 12:46:39 PM  

feltrider: Saiga410: Xythero: Democrats need to break the Republican stranglehold on rural areas.  It's the only way they will win back the Senate.  I'm not sure what the best way to do that is. They already a bunch of legislative ideas.  They also need to figure out how to redirect rural anger in a more positive direction.

If the dems drop gun control and abortion they could pick them up.

Tell you what, they start supporting free markets, lower tax cuts for the wealthy, and cutting the welfare state they could pick up even more.


I agree they should do that.
 
2020-09-22 12:47:59 PM  
Nothing taking a little off the top can't fix. It worked for the French Revolution after all..

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