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2020-09-22 9:46:23 AM  
I just wanted her to stay alive until January, I didn't want anything more from her but to continue breathing.  But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

But then no one person should be so important in a democracy.
 
2020-09-22 11:46:43 AM  
I think it's the open seat that everyone is worried about. Packing the Supreme Court with Donnie's sort of people is the terrifying part, and y'all are certainly smart enough to figure that out, but please, continue to comment on the argument that you wish to have to make you feel something other than the terror that you should have, thinking on the reality, as opposed to the distraction.
 
2020-09-22 11:57:26 AM  
The US should try democracy for a change.
 
2020-09-22 12:11:42 PM  
The US should try not doing Capitalism for a change.

SoupGuru: The US should try democracy for a change.


This, too. Democracy in the workplace and in the Government.
 
2020-09-22 12:43:30 PM  

EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.


She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.
 
2020-09-22 12:43:34 PM  
It would not be in this state if people had done their duty and voted against the GOP in 2016.
 
2020-09-22 12:45:45 PM  

mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.



Blame the victims for failing to stop the aggressors.  Uh huh.

She was well within her rights to try and live as long as possible, and do her job.  Or are you opposed to people doing their duty to serve the country, or their jobs?  Or to just try to stay alive?
 
2020-09-22 12:46:26 PM  
The day before RBG died, I noted in a report I was writing that political institutions in the country of Chad are oftentimes only one layer deep.

Which meant something very different to me at the time than it did the day after.
 
2020-09-22 12:46:35 PM  

mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.


I don't know this for sure, but I suspect she wanted to have a wet-dream moment where Hillary appointed her successor.  I'm sure she ass-u-me-d, like most of America, that Clinton was a slam dunk.
 
2020-09-22 12:47:23 PM  
Is Jezebel finally admitting that Hillary Clinton was not going to save us?

/yes we all know trump is way worse
 
2020-09-22 12:48:20 PM  
I'm pretty convinced that during Bill Clinton's years as POTUS, something happened that compromised the Dems.
It could be that all comes down to the rise of Putin, Bibi, theArab Sheikhs, and probably Xi too
 
2020-09-22 12:48:35 PM  
Elections have consequences people. RBG should have retired in 2015 but she expected that Americans would never voted for a right wing nut job like Trump.

Yet, here we are
 
2020-09-22 12:49:05 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The US should try not doing Capitalism for a change.

SoupGuru: The US should try democracy for a change.

This, too. Democracy in the workplace and in the Government.


You should check out Prof. Richard Wolff and his channel Democracy @ Work on YouTube.  You'd dig it.
 
2020-09-22 12:49:52 PM  
It's not just that the US is so structurally unsound that the hopes of millions were pinned to the back of an elderly woman with cancer, but the US is also in a moral and social state such that someone of her intelligence, with her commitment to equality, fairness, and justice, as determined to do what's right, as she was, to replace her seat would be hard to find even if there weren't an entire political party doing everything it could to hinder that process, while cruel, compromised, corporatist rubberstampers seem to be hanging out on every street corner these days.
 
2020-09-22 12:50:12 PM  

mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.


I have no doubt McConnell would have filibustered anyone Obama would have nominated to replace a retiring RBG, regardless of when it happened in his term.
 
2020-09-22 12:50:22 PM  

lordjupiter: It would not be in this state if people had done their duty and voted against the GOP in 2016.


How do 2016 non voters explain RBG not stepping down after Obama's second inauguration?

80 years old and full of cancer.  Kagan and Sotomayor are amazing jurists, so what does RBG have to worry about stepping down during Obama's term?

Non-voters aren't to blame for the giant pack of octogenarian losers you guys deify for no discernible reason.
 
2020-09-22 12:51:21 PM  

lordjupiter: It would not be in this state if people had done their duty and voted against the GOP in 2016.


BUT MUH IDEALOGICAL PURITY!
 
2020-09-22 12:51:38 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: I'm pretty convinced that during Bill Clinton's years as POTUS, something happened that compromised the Dems.
It could be that all comes down to the rise of Putin, Bibi, theArab Sheikhs, and probably Xi too


The Third Way happened.  The Dems abandoned the working class and decided to actively court Republican voters and Republican donors (the banks, oil industry, military-industrial complex, etc).

Triangulation.  And in the intervening years they've been curb-stomped by the most dangerous organization to human existence in the history of the world (the present Republican Party).
 
2020-09-22 12:52:12 PM  

gameshowhost: Is Jezebel finally admitting that Hillary Clinton was not going to save us?

/yes we all know trump is way worse


No, they're not validating your horseshiat assertions
 
2020-09-22 12:52:41 PM  

EvilEgg: I just wanted her to stay alive until January, I didn't want anything more from her but to continue breathing.  But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

But then no one person should be so important in a democracy.


Not to speak ill of the dead, but this. We far too often want the "big symbolic" thing (in this case holding off until woman president) than the best thing. Big symbolic things are fun, but are of little use in game of attrition like what the GOP is doing with the courts.
 
2020-09-22 12:52:42 PM  
I wish the Democrats would stop letting the ghost of Reagan 1980 keep haunting them all the time. The fugger is dead! Grow a goddamn spine and FIGHT BACK!!!
 
2020-09-22 12:53:52 PM  

Kazan: lordjupiter: It would not be in this state if people had done their duty and voted against the GOP in 2016.

BUT MUH IDEALOGICAL PURITY!


You think if you guys keep screaming this the rest of us will forget that you keep bumbling around and losing everything we hold dear?

I simply do not understand you guys essentially calling scoreboard all the time.  Is the country not on fire (literally AND figuratively) in your world?
 
2020-09-22 12:54:45 PM  
Can we just split into two.  The GOP can have the South and the rest of the country can go on to become a first world Utopia.
 
2020-09-22 12:55:15 PM  
Honestly since RGB died I feel like all the needles buried into the red. I don't feel a damn thing anymore reading headlines. I just stare and go "that's not great." Flat. deadpan.
 
2020-09-22 12:56:55 PM  
Everyone should stay at home and wear a mask.  Especially those with commodities, like cancer and being 125 years old.
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2020-09-22 12:57:13 PM  

lordjupiter: She was well within her rights to try and live as long as possible, and do her job.


Live as long as possible, sure. But plenty of jobs have age caps.

I wonder why air traffic controllers and federal law enforcement retire at age 57? I wonder why pilots retire at age 65? I wonder why some police and fire departments have mandatory retirement ages?
 
2020-09-22 12:57:25 PM  
goddamn auto-replace
 
2020-09-22 12:57:49 PM  

Kazan: gameshowhost: Is Jezebel finally admitting that Hillary Clinton was not going to save us?

/yes we all know trump is way worse

No, they're not validating your horseshiat assertions


farkhandlestillstuckin1996sayswhat?
 
2020-09-22 12:58:25 PM  
I love Fark. Just about any political topic now descends into "non-voters did this."
 
2020-09-22 12:58:31 PM  

Moroning: Can we just split into two.  The GOP can have the South and the rest of the country can go on to become a first world Utopia.


Never gonna happen because the South contains wonderful, liberal, high-economic output metro areas like Atlanta, Austin, Houston, Miami, Orlando, Asheville, etc. Massive violence would break out in and around these cities.
 
2020-09-22 12:59:23 PM  

lordjupiter: mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.


Blame the victims for failing to stop the aggressors.  Uh huh.

She was well within her rights to try and live as long as possible, and do her job.  Or are you opposed to people doing their duty to serve the country, or their jobs?  Or to just try to stay alive?


Quick question: when was the last time a sitting Democratic president was succeeded by another?

Knowing the answer to that in the modern era involves a couple particular set of circumstances, a wise person might not have bet the republic on history suddenly changing.
 
2020-09-22 12:59:34 PM  

SolderGlob: mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.

I have no doubt McConnell would have filibustered anyone Obama would have nominated to replace a retiring RBG, regardless of when it happened in his term.


Harry Reid was senate majority leader from 2007-2015. For the first 6 years of Obama's administration, Mitch didn't have fark-all to say about a SCOTUS nominee.
 
2020-09-22 12:59:48 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Everyone should stay at home and wear a mask.  Especially those with commodities, like cancer and being 125 years old.
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Commodities? I check the NASDAQ to see how my shares in cancer are doing frequently.
 
2020-09-22 1:00:32 PM  
She was strongly advised to retire during Obama's term.
 
2020-09-22 1:02:52 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Everyone should stay at home and wear a mask.  Especially those with commodities, like cancer and being 125 years old.


Why? She didn't die of COVID-19. In fact, she's the first person in 2020 with a death certificate that says something other than COVID-19.
 
2020-09-22 1:03:40 PM  

Ringshadow: Honestly since RGB died I feel like all the needles buried into the red. I don't feel a damn thing anymore reading headlines. I just stare and go "that's not great." Flat. deadpan.


It added a ton to the urgency of what has to happen to fix this shiat, to the point that now it's gotta happen in the next two years, assuming a Biden win and the Democrats take the Senate in the first place. Now they have to pack the court or nothing they pass into law will matter, as it'll all be gutted or entirely struck down in the courts. In order for that to stick they have to fix our elections to break the Republican party (and, if done correctly, their own), so they don't just do the same thing (i.e. add more justices) when the next Trump (or worse) and complicit legislature are in power. This is very probably infeasible on a short timeline, as any but a short-term band-aid fix will require state governments to act more-or-less as one, or an amendment.

/ Figured we'd catch up with the rest of the OECD c. 1995 on healthcare, consumer protection et c. by maybe 2030. But no. Maybe 2050?
// Eyeing the exit. Our system of government is fundamentally broken and can't fix itself, and most of our peers are less-broken.
/// Should have gotten out after W rather than believing Obama was actual, rather than temporary and surface-level, progress.
 
2020-09-22 1:05:17 PM  

mrmopar5287: SolderGlob: mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.

I have no doubt McConnell would have filibustered anyone Obama would have nominated to replace a retiring RBG, regardless of when it happened in his term.

Harry Reid was senate majority leader from 2007-2015. For the first 6 years of Obama's administration, Mitch didn't have fark-all to say about a SCOTUS nominee.


Except the filibuster
 
2020-09-22 1:05:35 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.

I don't know this for sure, but I suspect she wanted to have a wet-dream moment where Hillary appointed her successor.  I'm sure she ass-u-me-d, like most of America, that Clinton was a slam dunk.


But Hillary is a DINO. Unless she had dirt on RBG (and who would be surprised if she did?).

I think she did just like most elderly person do... just keep trodding along. The work is what keeps you alive so why mess with that recipe? My dad is 80 and still gets up at 5am to go start farming. He has no plans on changing and jokingly tells us he'll be found dead on his tractor one day.
 
2020-09-22 1:05:38 PM  

Weatherkiss: She was strongly advised to retire during Obama's term.


Clarence Thomas was getting nudged during Trump's first term as well.
 
2020-09-22 1:05:43 PM  

SoupGuru: The US should try democracy for a change.


We did try democracy, it only lasted as long as our compromise with southern colonies in the creation of the Electoral College. We have been riding high on the smell of our own farts since then.
 
2020-09-22 1:06:51 PM  

mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.


In her own words she said the reason she did not retire his because she did not believe that GOP obstructionism would have allowed a replacement. She knew from the beginning that the GOP has no intention to actually govern or make a better Nation only to enrich themselves.
 
2020-09-22 1:08:04 PM  

RyogaM: mrmopar5287: SolderGlob: mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.

I have no doubt McConnell would have filibustered anyone Obama would have nominated to replace a retiring RBG, regardless of when it happened in his term.

Harry Reid was senate majority leader from 2007-2015. For the first 6 years of Obama's administration, Mitch didn't have fark-all to say about a SCOTUS nominee.

Except the filibuster


Didn't happen with Sotomayor or Kagen. And Harry Reid did away with it.
 
2020-09-22 1:09:09 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Kazan: lordjupiter: It would not be in this state if people had done their duty and voted against the GOP in 2016.

BUT MUH IDEALOGICAL PURITY!

You think if you guys keep screaming this the rest of us will forget that you keep bumbling around and losing everything we hold dear?

I simply do not understand you guys essentially calling scoreboard all the time.  Is the country not on fire (literally AND figuratively) in your world?


Yes and that's why we're screaming at you.
I voted enthusiastically for Hillary.
Many people sat at home.
Many people sat at home in 2010 and 2014 which really got the ball rolling in the Senate towards the republicans.
I did not.
I will continue to scream at the people that just "could not" vote for Hillary, I will now, and forever.
 
2020-09-22 1:09:12 PM  

mrmopar5287: SolderGlob: mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.

I have no doubt McConnell would have filibustered anyone Obama would have nominated to replace a retiring RBG, regardless of when it happened in his term.

Harry Reid was senate majority leader from 2007-2015. For the first 6 years of Obama's administration, Mitch didn't have fark-all to say about a SCOTUS nominee.


Oh, wow, you're farking clueless. 

If you're so sure that he wouldn't have been able to block the nominee from the minority position through the filibuster, why was that the first thing her removed in 2017?
 
2020-09-22 1:11:25 PM  

tfresh: Rev. Skarekroe: mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.

I don't know this for sure, but I suspect she wanted to have a wet-dream moment where Hillary appointed her successor.  I'm sure she ass-u-me-d, like most of America, that Clinton was a slam dunk.

But Hillary is a DINO. Unless she had dirt on RBG (and who would be surprised if she did?).

I think she did just like most elderly person do... just keep trodding along. The work is what keeps you alive so why mess with that recipe? My dad is 80 and still gets up at 5am to go start farming. He has no plans on changing and jokingly tells us he'll be found dead on his tractor one day.


fark you.
Hillary was one of the most far left liberals in the country for years, just because you believe what a bunch of moron's on the internet tell you doesn't mean you're right.
Did she vote for the Iraq war? yes.  Was that a fark up that even her hometown paper the so called "liberal" new york times fark up? Yes.  And if that's all you have on her, then fark off.
Big sweeping change can't happen without a liberal supreme court. Do you know who would have kept the SCOTUS liberal? Hillary.
So fark right off.
 
2020-09-22 1:12:11 PM  

mrmopar5287: lordjupiter: She was well within her rights to try and live as long as possible, and do her job.

Live as long as possible, sure. But plenty of jobs have age caps.

I wonder why air traffic controllers and federal law enforcement retire at age 57? I wonder why pilots retire at age 65? I wonder why some police and fire departments have mandatory retirement ages?


Your "concern" is noted.

Air traffic controllers and Pilots retire by a certain age because their eyesight is so integral to Proper functioning on the job. Without that I side you can't to see an airplane already on the tarmac, without that mental acuity you can't keep 15 different airplanes sorted in your head and keep them from running into each other in our skies. Those are both very mentally taxing jobs and it wears the body out.

Last I saw a Supreme Court Justice doesn't need that visual acuity and as long as they have the mental faculties required for sound judgment they can stay as long as they like it.

Personally I would like to see the highest judge positions have a son set of 20 or 30 years maximum. Those term limits should be staggered so that no more than 1/4 or so of the positions are up at any one time. We should also have a system it can't be Sabotage by one corrupt what's the current Senate leader or their political party that is based on personal enrichment instead of good governance.

We have been broken for a while, we have been able to convince ourselves we're not because we keep collecting relatively competent presidents. It took one mentally addled buffoon to show us that we have been broken for a long time. And now his cult followers wants to deify that mentally addled buffoon.
 
2020-09-22 1:12:16 PM  
You mean the democrats should've focused on legislative victories instead of hamfisting all their change through the courts?

I'm SHOCKED!
 
2020-09-22 1:12:56 PM  

mrmopar5287: EvilEgg: But she really should have retired when Democrats last held the Senate.

She had the first 75% of Obama's administration to retire, but she didn't.


Why didn't Bob Woodward warn us about COVID-19 in February? Why didn't Biden tell us to wear masks in March?  Trump is blameless!!!!
 
2020-09-22 1:12:58 PM  

dababler: Big sweeping change can't happen without a liberal supreme court.


Ah, a confession.  Good.
 
2020-09-22 1:13:39 PM  

fallingcow: Ringshadow: Honestly since RGB died I feel like all the needles buried into the red. I don't feel a damn thing anymore reading headlines. I just stare and go "that's not great." Flat. deadpan.

It added a ton to the urgency of what has to happen to fix this shiat, to the point that now it's gotta happen in the next two years, assuming a Biden win and the Democrats take the Senate in the first place. Now they have to pack the court or nothing they pass into law will matter, as it'll all be gutted or entirely struck down in the courts. In order for that to stick they have to fix our elections to break the Republican party (and, if done correctly, their own), so they don't just do the same thing (i.e. add more justices) when the next Trump (or worse) and complicit legislature are in power. This is very probably infeasible on a short timeline, as any but a short-term band-aid fix will require state governments to act more-or-less as one, or an amendment.

/ Figured we'd catch up with the rest of the OECD c. 1995 on healthcare, consumer protection et c. by maybe 2030. But no. Maybe 2050?
// Eyeing the exit. Our system of government is fundamentally broken and can't fix itself, and most of our peers are less-broken.
/// Should have gotten out after W rather than believing Obama was actual, rather than temporary and surface-level, progress.


Oh I do know.

And yet I am now apparently dead inside. Allostatic overload take me biatch.
 
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