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(Washington Post)   Why do many scientists think COVID is airborne? I'm guessing, all the dead people?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2020-09-22 6:40:56 AM  
They only have to deal with this BS because of idiots who don't wanna wear face masks.

Remember, you don't have a constitutional right to infect people with your disease.
 
2020-09-22 6:57:45 AM  
If its not airborne why am I wearing this mask?
 
2020-09-22 7:06:58 AM  
The nice thing about viruses is they don't care about your feelings, political standings or religious beliefs.  Viruses only have one thing to do, spread and infect.  So if you want to keep them nice and healthy, go ahead and ignore everything.  They like that.
 
2020-09-22 7:13:16 AM  

PaulRB: They only have to deal with this BS because of idiots who don't wanna wear face masks.

Remember, you don't have a constitutional right to infect people with your disease.


That would be an improvement because it would indicate they actually understand the science but are just malevolent. The truth is that they're malevolent AND stupid and refuse to believe Trump did anything that wasn't perfect. So your numbers are made up and it's a hoax.
 
2020-09-22 7:19:46 AM  
Not 'all the dead people' but - all the infected people -   is a pretty good reason.  I'd go with that.

If it were only spread by contact, it would not be as contagious as it it.
 
2020-09-22 7:24:10 AM  
Look, how long was "the jury still out" on tobacco and cancer?

Science is a process, and there is no way that we no anything conclusively about Covid within this first year of total chaos.

We've been told its airborne, its not airborne, its in airborne droplets but the itself virus isn't airborne (even though when I'm in a plane I'm airborne, and that doesn't mean I have wings).

We've been told its on surfaces so sanitize your groceries, and then its not on surfaces so don't sanitize your groceries.

We've been told you can't get it from food so order takeout, but another study showed Prilosec users are twice as likely to get it, and Prilosec only effects your digestive system, so that's is getting it from food.

I learned very well in high school biology what a virus is and the many ways one can enter the human body, the eyes, the lungs, the stomach (even the olde hershey highway) and back in March, before anyone was telling up to, I was shopping in a mask and gloves and sanitizing my groceries. And I decided then that am going to keep that up until either there were no new cases in my county for two weeks or I was inoculated.
 
2020-09-22 7:24:55 AM  
It's a semantics game.

Airborne means something specific to them that is different than droplet borne, which COVID-19 most assuredly is. It's a very technical distinction that the public at large is not capable of understanding. People and news media don't get nuance. So the CDC, the WHO, and medical community in general should probably say it's airborne publicly and have class 1 and class 2 airborne for their own distinction.
 
2020-09-22 7:30:16 AM  

Marcos P: If its not airborne why am I wearing this mask?


Because you're a dumb sheep who buys into the liberal fearmongering.

Or because it's airborne.
 
2020-09-22 7:45:22 AM  

Quantumbunny: So the CDC, the WHO, and medical community in general should probably say it's airborne publicly and have class 1 and class 2 airborne for their own distinction.


Like the adults spelling "ice cream" so the preschooler doesn't get too worked up.
 
2020-09-22 7:50:04 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: We've been told its airborne, its not airborne,


Absolutely no one remotely credible has told us it's not airborne.
 
2020-09-22 7:55:17 AM  

jso2897: brainlordmesomorph: We've been told its airborne, its not airborne,

Absolutely no one remotely credible has told us it's not airborne.


Its the hair-splitting over whether the virus itself is airborne, or only when trapped in an airborne droplet, and I've heard Faucci himself discussing the difference. Not that the difference matters.

/ then of course the mask-debaters take quotes out of context
 
2020-09-22 7:57:48 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Look, how long was "the jury still out" on tobacco and cancer?

Science is a process, and there is no way that we no anything conclusively about Covid within this first year of total chaos.

We've been told its airborne, its not airborne, its in airborne droplets but the itself virus isn't airborne (even though when I'm in a plane I'm airborne, and that doesn't mean I have wings).

We've been told its on surfaces so sanitize your groceries, and then its not on surfaces so don't sanitize your groceries.

We've been told you can't get it from food so order takeout, but another study showed Prilosec users are twice as likely to get it, and Prilosec only effects your digestive system, so that's is getting it from food.

I learned very well in high school biology what a virus is and the many ways one can enter the human body, the eyes, the lungs, the stomach (even the olde hershey highway) and back in March, before anyone was telling up to, I was shopping in a mask and gloves and sanitizing my groceries. And I decided then that am going to keep that up until either there were no new cases in my county for two weeks or I was inoculated.


When you're in a plane you are airborne, it doesn't matter in what manner, you don't need wings, you are airborne. The virus in airborne droplets is thus airborne.

Literally no one has said it's "not on surfaces so don't sanitise surfaces". That's the biggest crap i've ever heard. Why do you think everyone says wash your hands? Your hands are a surface. They touch other surfaces.
 
2020-09-22 7:59:04 AM  
Why do many scientists think COVID is airborne?

Because it swaggers around like it owns the place, and calls other diseases "Leg" and "Dope on a Rope"?
 
2020-09-22 8:04:52 AM  

Slaxl: brainlordmesomorph:

When you're in a plane you are airborne, it doesn't matter in what manner, you don't need wings, you are airborne. The virus in airborne droplets is thus airborne.

Literally no one has said it's "not on surfaces so don't sanitise GROCERIES surfaces". That's the biggest crap i've ever heard. Why do you think everyone says wash your hands? Your hands are a surface. They touch other surfaces.


yes, they did:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/health​/​groceries-takeout-coronavirus-wellness​-scn-trnd/index.html

(maybe use google before you shoot off your mouth next time)
 
2020-09-22 8:10:34 AM  
My guess is they soon issue the guidance with phrasing to clarify that their is airborne transmission but they don't know whether it's a major component of infection.

I wouldn't be indoors with groups. One potential major hit to such guidance going into winter is all the restaurants operating at partial capacity. Sitting indoors no-mask talking with each other & interacting with warm, wet food you're putting in your body as others do the same is likely a bad idea.
 
2020-09-22 8:14:32 AM  
Maybe they don't understand how deadly UV light is to the virus, and think it can survive floating around in the air for long distances.

If the headline is referring to indoors, then it really wasn't new news, obviously it is capable of being airborne.
 
2020-09-22 9:03:17 AM  

Marcos P: If its not airborne why am I wearing this mask?


The masks protects other people from your coughs and sneezes, also you to a certain degree.

Wearing glasses has turned out to very effective as well, they both act as a shield, but, it is believes, causes you to touch the area around your eyes less (the latter is speculation, by the scientists who can see a clear correlation between wearing glasses, and having a lower degree of Covid instances).

But given that the primary function of the mask is to protect others, people who don't wear them are really assholes.
 
2020-09-22 9:21:13 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Marcos P: If its not airborne why am I wearing this mask?

The masks protects other people from your coughs and sneezes, also you to a certain degree.

Wearing glasses has turned out to very effective as well, they both act as a shield, but, it is believes, causes you to touch the area around your eyes less (the latter is speculation, by the scientists who can see a clear correlation between wearing glasses, and having a lower degree of Covid instances).

But given that the primary function of the mask is to protect others, people who don't wear them are really assholes.


Masks are also pretty effective at protecting you, especially if you use something other than a bandanna.

It's not easy to actually measure how effective they are, because there are so many variables from the size of the enclosed space you are in to how loudly someone is talking or vigorously they are breathing.  The accepted theory is that the cloth masks only effectively block larger particles and some studies support that.  The smaller particles travel farther and deeper into your airways.

So we really don't know how effective masks are in either direction.  I think that the fit is very important - you should make sure that when you inhale you are drawing air through the middle of the mask and not around it.
 
2020-09-22 9:37:05 AM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol​

Medical workers are already very aware of this.
 
2020-09-22 9:57:00 AM  

Animatronik: Ketchuponsteak: Marcos P: If its not airborne why am I wearing this mask?

The masks protects other people from your coughs and sneezes, also you to a certain degree.

Wearing glasses has turned out to very effective as well, they both act as a shield, but, it is believes, causes you to touch the area around your eyes less (the latter is speculation, by the scientists who can see a clear correlation between wearing glasses, and having a lower degree of Covid instances).

But given that the primary function of the mask is to protect others, people who don't wear them are really assholes.

Masks are also pretty effective at protecting you, especially if you use something other than a bandanna.

It's not easy to actually measure how effective they are, because there are so many variables from the size of the enclosed space you are in to how loudly someone is talking or vigorously they are breathing.  The accepted theory is that the cloth masks only effectively block larger particles and some studies support that.  The smaller particles travel farther and deeper into your airways.

So we really don't know how effective masks are in either direction.  I think that the fit is very important - you should make sure that when you inhale you are drawing air through the middle of the mask and not around it.


The ones I purchase have a bendable metal strip along the top, which purpose is for you to clamp then on the bridge of your nose, so they fit snuggly.

Just recently masks became a requirement in public transport, and in restaurant settings coontil you're seated), here in Denmark. That's as an reaction the second wave hitting us.

Irregardless I still wear a mask, as the only one, in supermarkets. Just to seem polite. I mean, I come there every day, and meet my neighbours from the weird suburb I live in, so I might as well try to give of a good impression on people.
 
2020-09-22 11:26:38 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: We've been told you can't get it from food so order takeout, but another study showed Prilosec users are twice as likely to get it, and Prilosec only effects your digestive system, so that's is getting it from food.


Prilosec is a histamine-2 blocker and can be used for acute allergic reactions. I only know this because I had a horrendous reaction to poison ivy this summer, and on top of Prednisone and Benadryl, my doctor also recommended Prilosec or similar OTC brands of H2 blockers.
 
2020-09-22 1:04:01 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Animatronik: Ketchuponsteak: Marcos P: If its not airborne why am I wearing this mask?

The masks protects other people from your coughs and sneezes, also you to a certain degree.

Wearing glasses has turned out to very effective as well, they both act as a shield, but, it is believes, causes you to touch the area around your eyes less (the latter is speculation, by the scientists who can see a clear correlation between wearing glasses, and having a lower degree of Covid instances).

But given that the primary function of the mask is to protect others, people who don't wear them are really assholes.

Masks are also pretty effective at protecting you, especially if you use something other than a bandanna.

It's not easy to actually measure how effective they are, because there are so many variables from the size of the enclosed space you are in to how loudly someone is talking or vigorously they are breathing.  The accepted theory is that the cloth masks only effectively block larger particles and some studies support that.  The smaller particles travel farther and deeper into your airways.

So we really don't know how effective masks are in either direction.  I think that the fit is very important - you should make sure that when you inhale you are drawing air through the middle of the mask and not around it.

The ones I purchase have a bendable metal strip along the top, which purpose is for you to clamp then on the bridge of your nose, so they fit snuggly.

Just recently masks became a requirement in public transport, and in restaurant settings coontil you're seated), here in Denmark. That's as an reaction the second wave hitting us.

Irregardless I still wear a mask, as the only one, in supermarkets. Just to seem polite. I mean, I come there every day, and meet my neighbours from the weird suburb I live in, so I might as well try to give of a good impression on people.


Yes I wear them even when exercising outside, just for extra protection and to set an example.
 
2020-09-22 1:10:39 PM  

Merltech: The nice thing about viruses is they don't care about your feelings, political standings or religious beliefs.  Viruses only have one thing to do, spread and infect.  So if you want to keep them nice and healthy, go ahead and ignore everything.  They like that.


Viruses care a LOT about your feelings and political standings, unfortunately.

You think vaccines cause children to become werewolves and masks make you look like a sheeple? COVID, Influenza, and their bacterial friends like measles think you're a fun guy, and are going to hang around with you and your friends and your kids.

You're a Democrat who's actually pro-life for already-born people? Viruses are going to avoid you, unless you're also a doctor, nurse, or grocery worker, and even then they're going to consider you pretty hostile.

You don't believe in viruses? They believe in YOU, buddy!

And sadly, it's not just about intelligence; the Fox News Cult Virus and its later mutation, the Trump Cult Virus, have infected intelligent people also.
 
2020-09-23 9:51:00 AM  

PaulRB: They only have to deal with this BS because of idiots who don't wanna wear face masks.

Remember, you don't have a constitutional right to infect people with your disease.


And this is awesome because now it means you can limit the rights of healthy people under the guise of a 'quarantine'.  A mask or heavy fines is fairly benign, but lets kick it up to a lockdown.

Do you think it is reasonable for a government to force healthy non sick individuals to stay indoors and even restrict the people they are allowed to see or have on their own property or face heavy fines or imprisonment?

I'm curious if you have a line in the sand that could be crossed.  I assume most people do, but finding it is sometimes difficult.
 
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