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(Nikkei Asia Review)   Sony's PlayStation assembly line has just 4 humans - 2 to load the motherboards at the start, and 2 to pack the boxes at the end   (asia.nikkei.com) divider line
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2020-09-21 6:05:31 PM  
How many Mexicans do they stuff into each robot?
 
2020-09-21 6:58:25 PM  
This might explain why they will ship probably 8 of these before Christmas
 
2020-09-21 8:33:14 PM  
"as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.
 
2020-09-21 8:43:19 PM  

boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.


I suppose it depends on how many they did with the old system.
 
2020-09-21 8:48:54 PM  

boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.


Like any new system, it won't be worth the purchase until six months to a year afterward once it has a decent game library with a couple flagship titles.  The Wii was the only system I can think of where that model doesn't apply, and that's because it's gimmick was fun for it's time right out the gate.
 
2020-09-21 8:53:40 PM  

boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.


If playing Satisfactory has taught me anything, the production rate of a single assembly line is not important, it's how many production lines you can have running in parallel while still feeding resources into the assembly lines at a rate that meets or exceeds production rate.
 
2020-09-21 9:28:05 PM  
Humans are loading the rest of the stations, too. How many? Could be one or two setup people whose job is to retrieve the various parts and then load them into whatever infeed apparatus that the assembly machinery has. The number of setup people will be determined by the cycle time of the line (30 seconds in this case) and how many pieces can be loaded into each station, how far the person has to travel to each, how long it takes to load, etc.

Efficiency is increased if you require the parts vendor (internal or external) to pack the parts into refillable trays that the machinery can pick directly from to reduce any unboxing and loading them piece by piece. The setup person then really only needs to make sure the parts are in the trays according the requirements.
 
2020-09-21 10:18:25 PM  
I prefer artesian handmade motherboards. There's this shop in an up and coming part of town, and you can watch in the display window as they etch 8.3 billion logic gates into the silicon wafer for the processor using an awl, or set an old iron spacer to precisely set the distance between two anodes in quartz to time the memory refresh circuit. And the way he uses a linen tablecloth to set the read head a few microns away from the platter on the hard drive* is just magic! And their wares are reasonably priced at only $4,000,000.

*SSDs lack soul.
 
2020-09-21 10:22:07 PM  

boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.


~ 85k or only about 40 some-odd million dollars worth a month..  chump change.
 
2020-09-21 10:24:15 PM  
They're shorthanded because all the kids went back to school.
 
2020-09-21 10:33:35 PM  
One line then is about 2880 units daily or a bit over a million units a year.  Question then what initial sales figures were projected to be and how many lines were running how long to produce initial stocks.
 
2020-09-21 11:39:18 PM  

FlippityFlap: boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.

~ 85k or only about 40 some-odd million dollars worth a month..  chump change.


90k units a month for a game console you expect to sells 10s of millions of.

Even if you expect to sell 1 million at launch for the holidays, would take you over 11 months to manufacture. 1 million for a worldwide release would not be very much. They've sold over 100 million PS4s. Making that many units at 30 sec a piece would take over 92 years.

How's that for lack of manufacturing planning?

No wonder they have an issue with preorders.
 
2020-09-22 12:47:34 AM  
Those numbers seem to be picked for the wow factor. I've worked in factory settings and it might be true that only 2 people are needed for loading the first part I guarantee there is an army of people feeding and fixing those machines.

One place had a big team just handling the finished product to get them out of the way into short term warehousing. Then the short term guys getting the pallets out to the shipping warehouses. There's a ton of support.
 
2020-09-22 12:54:57 AM  

Fabric_Man: I prefer artesian handmade motherboards. There's this shop in an up and coming part of town, and you can watch in the display window as they etch 8.3 billion logic gates into the silicon wafer for the processor using an awl, or set an old iron spacer to precisely set the distance between two anodes in quartz to time the memory refresh circuit. And the way he uses a linen tablecloth to set the read head a few microns away from the platter on the hard drive* is just magic! And their wares are reasonably priced at only $4,000,000.

*SSDs lack soul.


You can keep your fancy 4k 120Hz graphics. It just doesn't have the WARMTH of a coaxial antenna connection.
 
2020-09-22 2:30:22 AM  
Back in the early 80s I was an electronics tech.  My job was to ensure boards worked properly and fix the ones that didn't (maybe 1 in 10 worked out of the box).

One day we got a batch of boards, none of them worked.  I dug into it, turned out someone had mis-loaded the stuffing machine such that all the DRAM pull up resistors were actually capacitors.

/ that's a job that doesn't exist anymore
 
2020-09-22 2:54:37 AM  

Fabric_Man: I prefer artesian handmade motherboards.


Well, well, well.
 
2020-09-22 3:39:50 AM  
Do these robots sing the company song?
 
2020-09-22 3:45:01 AM  
The Japanese porn industry puts out units faster than that.
 
2020-09-22 5:36:30 AM  

Quantumbunny: FlippityFlap: boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.

~ 85k or only about 40 some-odd million dollars worth a month..  chump change.

90k units a month for a game console you expect to sells 10s of millions of.

Even if you expect to sell 1 million at launch for the holidays, would take you over 11 months to manufacture. 1 million for a worldwide release would not be very much. They've sold over 100 million PS4s. Making that many units at 30 sec a piece would take over 92 years.

How's that for lack of manufacturing planning?

No wonder they have an issue with preorders.


Initial order surges slow down. The company would much rather play catch up on preorders than have excess, unused capacity 6 months down the road.
 
2020-09-22 6:41:08 AM  

Quantumbunny: FlippityFlap: boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.

~ 85k or only about 40 some-odd million dollars worth a month..  chump change.

90k units a month for a game console you expect to sells 10s of millions of.

Even if you expect to sell 1 million at launch for the holidays, would take you over 11 months to manufacture. 1 million for a worldwide release would not be very much. They've sold over 100 million PS4s. Making that many units at 30 sec a piece would take over 92 years.

How's that for lack of manufacturing planning?

No wonder they have an issue with preorders.


You guys all realize that TFA is about the PS4 assembly line, and has nothing to do with the PS5, right?
 
2020-09-22 7:35:44 AM  

emtwo: Quantumbunny: FlippityFlap: boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.

~ 85k or only about 40 some-odd million dollars worth a month..  chump change.

90k units a month for a game console you expect to sells 10s of millions of.

Even if you expect to sell 1 million at launch for the holidays, would take you over 11 months to manufacture. 1 million for a worldwide release would not be very much. They've sold over 100 million PS4s. Making that many units at 30 sec a piece would take over 92 years.

How's that for lack of manufacturing planning?

No wonder they have an issue with preorders.

You guys all realize that TFA is about the PS4 assembly line, and has nothing to do with the PS5, right?


And since q4 last year they've sold between 7.5 and 10M more PS4s. If this factory can only make 90k a month are they massively cutting down before the holidays or planning for basically no holiday sales with also no availability of their PS5?

These numbers don't work for either a PS4 or a PS5.
 
2020-09-22 7:43:30 AM  

Quantumbunny: emtwo: Quantumbunny: FlippityFlap: boozehat: "as the ability to churn out a new console every 30 seconds."

Um, that doesn't seem like a lot.  Seems like very few actually.

~ 85k or only about 40 some-odd million dollars worth a month..  chump change.

90k units a month for a game console you expect to sells 10s of millions of.

Even if you expect to sell 1 million at launch for the holidays, would take you over 11 months to manufacture. 1 million for a worldwide release would not be very much. They've sold over 100 million PS4s. Making that many units at 30 sec a piece would take over 92 years.

How's that for lack of manufacturing planning?

No wonder they have an issue with preorders.

You guys all realize that TFA is about the PS4 assembly line, and has nothing to do with the PS5, right?

And since q4 last year they've sold between 7.5 and 10M more PS4s. If this factory can only make 90k a month are they massively cutting down before the holidays or planning for basically no holiday sales with also no availability of their PS5?

These numbers don't work for either a PS4 or a PS5.


I would suggest it's possible, nay, probable, that they have more than one machine building consoles.
 
2020-09-22 8:00:41 AM  
I'm a pretty casual outsider to gaming. Used to play Starcraft & Unreal Tournament long ago, but haven't touched anything really since Skyrim. Christmas last year I had the idea to get the kids a Switch and simply couldn't find one anywhere. They were still difficult to impossible to find without offering well over retail until recently. And I think that's been on purpose.

The urge passed. Screw 'em all. Video games were so fun when I was a kid, but both the console & game businesses have become so much about mistreating, disappointing, and screwing their own customers that I wonder how it all keeps going. Figure it's best to not get sucked in at all.
 
2020-09-22 8:38:17 AM  

GregInIndy: I'm a pretty casual outsider to gaming. Used to play Starcraft & Unreal Tournament long ago, but haven't touched anything really since Skyrim. Christmas last year I had the idea to get the kids a Switch and simply couldn't find one anywhere. They were still difficult to impossible to find without offering well over retail until recently. And I think that's been on purpose.

The urge passed. Screw 'em all. Video games were so fun when I was a kid, but both the console & game businesses have become so much about mistreating, disappointing, and screwing their own customers that I wonder how it all keeps going. Figure it's best to not get sucked in at all.


Same. Last game I played a significant amount of was UT. If I bought a console I know what that would mean. The upfront cost, steady outgoing stream of cash on new games/content, hours spent playing. Would I engage in gameplay audio chat? Would I fill family time with idle banter about something related to the game I'm playing? I don't want to belong that much to the world of console gaming. Where would the time come from? The garden would die. Best not to start at all. Instead I'll spend my time judging it and taking time to write comments like this. Fark.....
 
2020-09-22 9:00:40 AM  
In this thread, people who think there is only one production line in a factory.

I wager they have enough lines to crank out millions in a months time.
 
2020-09-22 10:48:33 AM  
I think this is a proof of concept and not in full production.
 
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