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2020-09-21 5:58:08 PM  
Subby, subby's mom.  Subby's mom, subby.
 
2020-09-21 10:25:55 PM  
Black Hole is something of a misnomer. They're moreso Ballon-knots in Space & Time.
 
2020-09-21 10:35:42 PM  
FTA:  Noble-Prize laureate... I'm out.
 
2020-09-21 11:24:28 PM  
"Black holes" (not the observed supermassive objects that actually exist, but the dominant theoretical treatment) are a result of a philosophical interpretation that took over only because of the fame of the first person who provided it, and continues to dominate only because of the enormous amount of reputation and career-building that went into it.

The irony is that it is more complex and mathematically intractable than the alternative interpretations, which provide the same observable results but in a much simpler and intuitive world; and that the person who came up with the math tried to make it work, failed, and gave up, and nobody has done any better than him.
 
2020-09-21 11:44:07 PM  
well thats enough internet for the night
 
2020-09-21 11:56:16 PM  
Check Uranus.
 
2020-09-22 12:10:23 AM  

pup.socket: The irony is that it is more complex and mathematically intractable than the alternative interpretations, which provide the same observable results but in a much simpler and intuitive world; and that the person who came up with the math tried to make it work, failed, and gave up, and nobody has done any better than him.


And those alternative interpretations would be?

/Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen:
//Deafening silence
///Refusal to explain
//// Doubt anyone would consider John Michell and Pierre-Simon Laplace famous outside of math circles
 
2020-09-22 12:44:36 AM  

Nurglitch: Black Hole is something of a misnomer. They're moreso Ballon-knots in Space & Time.


ThEy MoReSoMe th1s 15 4 4837
 
2020-09-22 12:50:06 AM  

idsfa: Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen:


100 on Elves
 
2020-09-22 1:23:01 AM  
24 d44r\/35
 
2020-09-22 2:42:42 AM  

idsfa: //// Doubt anyone would consider John Michell and Pierre-Simon Laplace famous outside of math circles


Laplace is pretty well-known, but all circles are mathematical in nature.
 
2020-09-22 5:18:06 AM  

idsfa: pup.socket: The irony is that it is more complex and mathematically intractable than the alternative interpretations, which provide the same observable results but in a much simpler and intuitive world; and that the person who came up with the math tried to make it work, failed, and gave up, and nobody has done any better than him.

And those alternative interpretations would be?

/Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen:
//Deafening silence
///Refusal to explain
//// Doubt anyone would consider John Michell and Pierre-Simon Laplace famous outside of math circles


I'm pretty sure it's turtles, all the way down.
 
2020-09-22 8:24:00 AM  
I'd put my money on the maths not working out, because we don't really know what the laws of physics are inside a black hole
 
2020-09-22 10:05:15 AM  

idsfa: pup.socket: The irony is that it is more complex and mathematically intractable than the alternative interpretations, which provide the same observable results but in a much simpler and intuitive world; and that the person who came up with the math tried to make it work, failed, and gave up, and nobody has done any better than him.

And those alternative interpretations would be?

/Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen:
//Deafening silence
///Refusal to explain
//// Doubt anyone would consider John Michell and Pierre-Simon Laplace famous outside of math circles


One of the plausible ones being a reinterpretation of it.

Blacks holes, as they are currently thought of, is a point of infinite density, and is effectively a 'divide-by-zero' in the fabric of space time, and royally farks physics.

A more plausible idea is a more concentrated neutron star idea, where the neutrons themselves are crushed down into a BE condensate that is just a mass of bare quarks.  It provides the level of density required to produce the event horizon beyond which light cannot escape, but at the center is a mass that still obeys the laws of space time.
 
2020-09-22 11:12:51 AM  

idsfa: And those alternative interpretations would be?


Try neo-Lorentzian, the math works out pretty much okay.
 
2020-09-22 1:21:19 PM  

pup.socket: idsfa: And those alternative interpretations would be?

Try neo-Lorentzian, the math works out pretty much okay.


you're going with ether?
 
2020-09-22 3:51:27 PM  

GrogSmash: A more plausible idea is a more concentrated neutron star idea, where the neutrons themselves are crushed down into a BE condensate that is just a mass of bare quarks.  It provides the level of density required to produce the event horizon beyond which light cannot escape, but at the center is a mass that still obeys the laws of space time.



Sorry, even quark stars have a Chandrasekhar limit beyond which they cannot hold themselves up.
 
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