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2020-09-21 12:09:45 PM  
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He looks like he's quietly and surreptitiously peering into the oval office while Trump is telling Blanche, "You've always been my favourite, Lindsey.  I tell Mitch he's my favourite so he'll keep running the senate the way I want him to, but the reality is that you've always been my favourite lapdog..."
 
2020-09-21 12:29:00 PM  
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No.
 
2020-09-21 12:29:08 PM  
Frum will be proven wrong here because he assumes the people in power have motives that extend beyond immediate gratification
 
2020-09-21 12:30:15 PM  
Mitch has two choices - ram a choice through pre-election, or ram a choice through post-election.

If he does it pre-election, he potentially faces the wrath of the electorate.
If he does it post-election, Mark Kelly could be in office by November 30 and serve as a spoiler, but even then it's likely to survive a party line vote as the lame duck Senate rams it through.

If Democrats win big in November, then as Schumer said, all bets are off. Democrats should invoke the nuclear option, pack the courts, expand the Senate, and secure power.
 
2020-09-21 12:31:00 PM  
David Jeffrey Frum is a Canadian-American political commentator. A speechwriter for President George W. Bush

And this "tradition" of turning to speechwriters from another failed Presidency got old a while back now.

But let me guess, AOC, Warren and Sanders are too "radical."  Difficultly:  For the Atlantic.
 
2020-09-21 12:43:36 PM  
Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.
 
2020-09-21 12:47:11 PM  
Do we get two come back to this and laugh once McConnell get the senat to vote 52-48 for trump's nominee?
 
2020-09-21 12:50:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.


Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.
 
2020-09-21 1:08:38 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.


Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.
 
2020-09-21 1:15:39 PM  
Go home Atlantic writer, you're drunk.
 
2020-09-21 1:16:02 PM  
IOW, they'll be confimed by next Friday.
 
2020-09-21 1:17:17 PM  
Counterpoint 1 - It's 2020.
Counterpoint 2 - Nothing matters.
 
2020-09-21 1:17:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.


whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.


Voting for a supreme court justice most likely will get him re-elected to the senate. He is well aware of how his voting constituency think.
 
2020-09-21 1:18:36 PM  

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.


I mean, he did. Sure on just one count. But he did vote to convict Trump on abuse of power.
 
2020-09-21 1:21:11 PM  
I like his the article discredited it's own second reason.
 
2020-09-21 1:21:11 PM  
I want Republicans to do it.

I want Republicans to drive the farking hammer home for Democrats.

Republicans are not honest negotiators.

They seek nothing but to consolidate their own power... this isn't the West Wing, where everyone gives a damn about doing what's right for the country... they don't care, the party exists to consolidate power within the party, that's all that matters, nothing else.

Democrats need to learn how to play hardball, they should commit that if the GOP fills RBG's seat, they'll add more seats to the court, and admit DC and PR to the US as full states. Unless Democrats finally learn to stand up to Republicans, the nation's gonna burn anyways.
 
2020-09-21 1:21:22 PM  

ImmutableTenderloin: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.

Voting for a supreme court justice most likely will get him re-elected to the senate. He is well aware of how his voting constituency think.


It doesn't hurt him, but it will likely destroy a number of GOP senators around him. If he votes before the election and the Senate GOP gets hammered for it... if I was GOP I wouldn't trust his decrepit ass anymore. Take his minority leader position away and ostracize him from anything important until he resigns.
 
2020-09-21 1:22:09 PM  
When the the hell was this written?  Lindsy Graham already walked back what he said.  Collins will show concern while voting the party line.  Mitt, who knows, he did not have enough backbone to vote guilty.  I think trump will get it through.  Maybe that will be final nail.  I am looking into how my company deals with my work from home if I change countries.
 
2020-09-21 1:22:55 PM  
McConnell cannot afford more than three defections in the face of what will certainly be united Democratic opposition to any last-minute Trump nominee.

LOL. Anyone ask Manchin if he is going to vote to confirm ?
 
2020-09-21 1:23:50 PM  

kindms: McConnell cannot afford more than three defections in the face of what will certainly be united Democratic opposition to any last-minute Trump nominee.

LOL. Anyone ask Manchin if he is going to vote to confirm ?


No need. He will.
 
2020-09-21 1:24:05 PM  
This analysis is so 2 days ago
 
2020-09-21 1:25:52 PM  
Oh are we still assuming the republicans will play by the rules of congress and precedent?  People need to wake the fark up, this is the end game. This is the last hail Mary pass of a party which can no longer win democratically and so they have decided to do away with that whole democracy thing except as a façade

Our republic is under the great threat of its existence and we will have people going ' Oh no they won't do THAT!'. This is war, all the is missing ( for the most part) is the bodies in the streets.
 
2020-09-21 1:26:45 PM  

RedComrade: Oh are we still assuming the republicans will play by the rules of congress and precedent?  People need to wake the fark up, this is the end game. This is the last hail Mary pass of a party which can no longer win democratically and so they have decided to do away with that whole democracy thing except as a façade

Our republic is under the great threat of its existence and we will have people going ' Oh no they won't do THAT!'. This is war, all the is missing ( for the most part) is the bodies in the streets.


Dude I'm as woke as f*ck.

It's the voters in derpy Red States who hold the key.
 
2020-09-21 1:27:15 PM  

firefly212: I want Republicans to do it.

I want Republicans to drive the farking hammer home for Democrats.

Republicans are not honest negotiators.

They seek nothing but to consolidate their own power... this isn't the West Wing, where everyone gives a damn about doing what's right for the country... they don't care, the party exists to consolidate power within the party, that's all that matters, nothing else.

Democrats need to learn how to play hardball, they should commit that if the GOP fills RBG's seat, they'll add more seats to the court, and admit DC and PR to the US as full states. Unless Democrats finally learn to stand up to Republicans, the nation's gonna burn anyways.


Neat plan but you do realize that the first thing the Democrats have to do is actually take back the Senate and the presidency, right?
 
2020-09-21 1:27:29 PM  
He's whistling past the graveyard.

The Dems must sweep and expand the Court. That's the long and short of it
 
2020-09-21 1:27:35 PM  
Trump is going to dump an incendiary nominee pre-election to whip up his base, to get them to vote for him. He doesn't give a damn about the goons in the Senate.

The Senate is going to wait until after the election to confirm, but, regardless, they will confirm. Sure, there will be a lot of verbal exhaling and head-wavering concern, but the R's will fall into line.
 
2020-09-21 1:27:51 PM  
You're dreaming if you don't think the nominee gets confirmed.

Trump won. All of the hoping and relying on some semblance of tradition and fairness will be fruitless...

We are in the age of so what you want, and fight it out in court....the court I spent the last 4 years packing with judges.

Lawful but awful...to someone with no moral center is WINNING
 
2020-09-21 1:28:32 PM  
Based on what I've heard from conservatives I know, they've been waiting for years and years for the right combination of vacancies on the court at the same time they have a President and senate capable of appointing their choice of justices.

This is it. This is the opportunity they have dreamed of. No one has told me what they will think or do if Republican leaders let this opportunity pass them by, so I can't say they will be disillusioned. But I think there is a real risk that not fast tracking the new nominee will cause more backlash than doing it.

The people who are most upset at the idea of a fast track are mostly non Republican voters. Meanwhile there are a high percentage of Republican voters who want a conservative Supreme Court. In an attempt to not chase away potential voters that they probably wouldn't get anyways, they may wind up chasing away their own regular voters.

They could wait until after the election. There is always a risk of waiting for anything though. A lot can happen in a short time, as 2020 has shown us. If they wait, there's a chance some unforeseen event occurs that makes pushing a nominee through impossible. It's the equivalent of having the chance to make a bold move and win the game or playing not to lose. If you've been successful by acting aggressively do you really want to wimp out at the last moment when aggression is most decisive?
 
2020-09-21 1:28:48 PM  
McConnell is going to make the election over Roe v Wade vs Trump. It is the only play they have.

Regardless of the election, he'll force another Supreme through before the inauguration.
 
2020-09-21 1:28:52 PM  

ImmutableTenderloin: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.

Voting for a supreme court justice most likely will get him re-elected to the senate. He is well aware of how his voting constituency think.


He's not up for reelection until 2024. Supporting Trump's SCOTUS nominee now won't mean much 4 years from now.

Mormons vote for Trump because what are they going to do, vote for a Dem?  But a lot of Mormons will give Romney points for going against Trump because they're not fond of him. If anything, him voting against a Trump SCOTUS pick will probably shore up his defenses against a primary opponent in 2024.
 
2020-09-21 1:30:24 PM  

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.


Your understanding of liberal never really considers "in comparison", does it, whidbey? Romney was the right wing of the party in 2012 when he fought against Obama, was a merciless Vulture Capitalist business owner (Bain Capital), tried to veto a large portion of the Democratic lead healthcare reform bill in Massachusetts which got overridden, and openly said he didn't care about the 47 % of Americans who didn't pay income taxes (despite them paying other taxes and fees, such as sales tax, gas taxes, registration fees, etc); but in comparison to him with holding those same beliefs now, he's the Leftmost on the Republican party with Donald Trump's insanity now being the 'new normal' of the GOP!

It's why you never understand why progressives get angry at Democrats trying to court "disaffected Republicans" by moving to the right on policy positions, because those "disaffected Republicans" aren't going to leave the party, they are trying to fix the insanity and bring the GOP back to just being a political party of, taking away workers' rights and coddling the rich, while fighting against the Trumpisms of "burning it down with us if we can't get our way". Progressive Democrats want the DNC to improve our party towards helping everyone, not just do what the Republicans want because that *might* get a few people on our side, though not enough to win elections.
 
2020-09-21 1:30:39 PM  

Pin Fiften Clob: ImmutableTenderloin: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.

Voting for a supreme court justice most likely will get him re-elected to the senate. He is well aware of how his voting constituency think.

He's not up for reelection until 2024. Supporting Trump's SCOTUS nominee now won't mean much 4 years from now.

Mormons vote for Trump because what are they going to do, vote for a Dem?  But a lot of Mormons will give Romney points for going against Trump because they're not fond of him. If anything, him voting against a Trump SCOTUS pick will probably shore up his defenses against a primary opponent in 2024.


Sanders won the Primary there.  Had to be a few Mormons in the bunch.
 
2020-09-21 1:33:02 PM  

Pin Fiften Clob: ImmutableTenderloin: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.

Voting for a supreme court justice most likely will get him re-elected to the senate. He is well aware of how his voting constituency think.

He's not up for reelection until 2024. Supporting Trump's SCOTUS nominee now won't mean much 4 years from now.

Mormons vote for Trump because what are they going to do, vote for a Dem?  But a lot of Mormons will give Romney points for going against Trump because they're not fond of him. If anything, him voting against a Trump SCOTUS pick will probably shore up his defenses against a primary opponent in 2024.


Ever watch the yt clip of Mitt saying to a crowd of people that "Corporations are people, my friend" ? No, go watch it and tell me why he will vote against a person that most likely will support big businesses.
 
2020-09-21 1:34:06 PM  
I'm less concerned about pre-election, where fear of losing their seat might hold a few Republican Senators from supporting it.  However, post election, when those same Senators are safe for another 6 years or worse, already getting thrown out on their ass, what's stopping them from ramming it through?  You might think the next set of Senators up for reelection might have reason to pause, but 2 years might as well be 200 when it comes to the voting public's attention span.
 
2020-09-21 1:35:46 PM  

thehobbes: McConnell is going to make the election over Roe v Wade vs Trump. It is the only play they have.

Regardless of the election, he'll force another Supreme through before the inauguration.


Jan 3
 
2020-09-21 1:38:45 PM  
I think we're boned in all sorts of ways.

But Manchin isn't going to vote for a nominee if he's the deciding vote.
 
2020-09-21 1:41:37 PM  

whidbey: Pin Fiften Clob: ImmutableTenderloin: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.

Voting for a supreme court justice most likely will get him re-elected to the senate. He is well aware of how his voting constituency think.

He's not up for reelection until 2024. Supporting Trump's SCOTUS nominee now won't mean much 4 years from now.

Mormons vote for Trump because what are they going to do, vote for a Dem?  But a lot of Mormons will give Romney points for going against Trump because they're not fond of him. If anything, him voting against a Trump SCOTUS pick will probably shore up his defenses against a primary opponent in 2024.

Sanders won the Primary there.  Had to be a few Mormons in the bunch.


Mormons as a voting block. Not individuals, because every group has individuals who voted for whatever candidate we're discussing at any given time.
 
2020-09-21 1:42:01 PM  
Headline: 4 reasons McConnell doesn't have power

TFA: 0 reasons McConnell doesn't have power

It starts with "well, if these GOP senators vote against McConnell..."

Well, if my aunt had a penis she'd by my uncle.
 
2020-09-21 1:42:55 PM  

mcmnky: Headline: 4 reasons McConnell doesn't have power

TFA: 0 reasons McConnell doesn't have power

It starts with "well, if these GOP senators vote against McConnell..."

Well, if my aunt had a penis she'd by my uncle.


So how is your uncle doing?
 
2020-09-21 1:44:28 PM  

ImmutableTenderloin: mcmnky: Headline: 4 reasons McConnell doesn't have power

TFA: 0 reasons McConnell doesn't have power

It starts with "well, if these GOP senators vote against McConnell..."

Well, if my aunt had a penis she'd by my uncle.

So how is your uncle doing?


Better than his aunt
 
2020-09-21 1:44:44 PM  
They will have some right wing nut job on the bench by Halloween
 
2020-09-21 1:46:17 PM  

ImmutableTenderloin: Pin Fiften Clob: ImmutableTenderloin: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.

Voting for a supreme court justice most likely will get him re-elected to the senate. He is well aware of how his voting constituency think.

He's not up for reelection until 2024. Supporting Trump's SCOTUS nominee now won't mean much 4 years from now.

Mormons vote for Trump because what are they going to do, vote for a Dem?  But a lot of Mormons will give Romney points for going against Trump because they're not fond of him. If anything, him voting against a Trump SCOTUS pick will probably shore up his defenses against a primary opponent in 2024.

Ever watch the yt clip of Mitt saying to a crowd of people that "Corporations are people, my friend" ? No, go watch it and tell me why he will vote against a person that most likely will support big businesses.


While I should have put an "if" in there about Mormons giving Romney points IF he goes against Trump. That's not the point of my comment. I'm calling into questions the idea that 4 years from now, Romney wins his reelection because he voted for Trump's SCOTUS pick.
 
2020-09-21 1:46:18 PM  
Here you go, whidbey

Four Reasons to Doubt Mitch McConnell's Power
DAVID FRUM SEPTEMBER 19, 2020
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To use power, you must have it.
On the night of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced that a Trump nominee to replace Ginsburg would receive a vote on the floor of the Senate.
That announcement promised a use of power without hesitation or compunction, an abrupt reversal of the supposed rule that blocked an Obama nomination nine months before the 2016 election. This supposed rule would seem much better justified in 2020 than 2016. This time, the vacancy has occurred only 46 days before an election. This time, the party of the president making the nomination seems likely to lose, not win. This time, the Senate majority to approve the nomination may lose too.
But of course, the real rule in 2016 was "the good old rule ... the simple plan, that they should take who have the power, and they should keep who can." What McConnell did in 2016 was an assertion of brute power, and what he proposes in 2020 is another assertion of brute power. And so the question arises: Does McConnell in fact have the power he asserts?
The answer may be no, for four reasons.
Does McConnell really command a Senate majority?
The polls do not favor Susan Collins, Cory Gardner, or Thom Tillis-senators from Maine, Colorado, and North Carolina up for reelection this cycle. Yet these competitors may not be ready to attend their own funerals. They may regard voting against McConnell's Court grab as a heaven-sent chance to prove their independence from an unpopular president-and to thereby save their own seats.
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska has also made skeptical noises, and even Lindsey Graham of South Carolina may flinch. He faces an unexpectedly tough race this year, and he is extra-emphatically on the record vowing not to support a Supreme Court confirmation vote in the later part of a presidential year.
(Martha McSally of Arizona, however, is likely a safe vote for McConnell. The deadest of the Senate's dead ducks surely must be focused on retaining national Republican support for her post-Senate career. Mitt Romney of Utah is a more open question: His strong sense of fairness will push him against confirmation; his consistent support for conservative judges will pull him in favor.)
McConnell cannot afford more than three defections in the face of what will certainly be united Democratic opposition to any last-minute Trump nominee.
Does McConnell really have a nominee to advance?
Any last-minute Trump nominee will face a gantlet of opposition in the Senate, a firestorm of opposition in the country, and probably a lifetime of suspicion from the majority of the country.
Can McConnell and Trump find an appointee willing to risk all that for the chance-but not the guarantee-of a Supreme Court seat? Specifically, can they find a woman willing to do it? The optics of replacing Ginsburg with a man may be too ugly even for the Trump administration. And if they can find a woman, can they find a woman sufficiently moderate-seeming to provide cover to anxious senators? The task may prove harder than immediately assumed.
Will Trump balk?
Until now, judicial-nomination fights have mobilized Republicans and conservatives more than Democrats and liberals. The fight McConnell proposes may upset that pattern. Trump's hopes for reelection depend on suppressing votes and discouraging participation. The last thing he needs is a highly dramatic battle that could mobilize Democrats in states including Arizona and North Carolina-even Georgia and Texas.
The smart play for Trump is to postpone the nomination to reduce the risk of Democratic mobilization, and to warn Republicans of the risks should he lose. Trump's people do not usually execute the smart play. They are often the victims of the hyper-ideological media they consume, which deceive them about what actually is the smart play. This time, though, they may just be desperate enough to break long-standing pattern and try something different.
Will the conservative legal establishment play ball?
The judicial status quo enormously favors conservatives. Even should Democrats win big in November, it will take many years for them to catch up to the huge Republican lead in judicial appointments. By then, who knows, the GOP may have retaken the Senate, and of course it may well find a way to hold on in 2020.
But a last-minute overreach by McConnell could seem so illegitimate to Democrats as to justify radical countermoves should they win in November: increasing the number of appellate judges and Supreme Court justices; conceivably even opening impeachment hearings against Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
McConnell may want the win badly enough to dismiss those risks. But many conservative-leaning lawyers in the country may be more cautious. And their voices will get a hearing in a contentious nomination fight-not only by the national media, but by some of the less Trump-y Republican senators. This could be enough to slow down a process that has no time to spare.
Mitch McConnell has gotten his way so often that it's hard to imagine he might ever lose. But the political balance of power is shifting this fall, and for once, McConnell may be on the wrong side of a power dynamic.
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2020-09-21 1:48:54 PM  

whidbey: Pin Fiften Clob: ImmutableTenderloin: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

whidbey: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Marcus Aurelius: Mitt Romney has a strong sense of fairness?

This must be one of those parallel universes I keep hearing about.

Mitt Romney has become the most Liberal Republican, not from some fundamental shift in his policies, but by keeping his policies and watching the rest of the part slouch rightward.

Yes, so "liberal" he couldn't bring himself to vote to remove Trump from office.

Voting for a supreme court justice most likely will get him re-elected to the senate. He is well aware of how his voting constituency think.

He's not up for reelection until 2024. Supporting Trump's SCOTUS nominee now won't mean much 4 years from now.

Mormons vote for Trump because what are they going to do, vote for a Dem?  But a lot of Mormons will give Romney points for going against Trump because they're not fond of him. If anything, him voting against a Trump SCOTUS pick will probably shore up his defenses against a primary opponent in 2024.

Sanders won the Primary there.  Had to be a few Mormons in the bunch.


You also don't know how Primaries work. Just because you win a primary doesn't mean your candidate will win a general election, you still have to work to convince people to vote for your candidate beyond just "We defeated all of our opponents who are politically on our side of the fence." It's why we progressives warn Centrists/Conservative Democrats to not get complacent again as they did in 2016, "It's his turn" for Biden isn't a effective rallying cry as proven with "It's her turn" that did not get Hillary elected.
 
2020-09-21 1:51:11 PM  
I think even Moscow Mitch knows that ramming through a nominee before the election is too much.  No, he'll hold it back to see if Trump loses the election, and if Republicans hold the Senate.  If one or the other of those is the case -- and probably both -- he'll try to ram this through the lame duck session.

If Democrats do take the Senate in addition to Biden winning, they should then, at that point, announce they will move to add 4 more seats to the Supreme Court if this happens.  That's about all they could do at that point.
 
2020-09-21 1:55:10 PM  

firefly212: I want Republicans to do it.

I want Republicans to drive the farking hammer home for Democrats.

Republicans are not honest negotiators.

They seek nothing but to consolidate their own power... this isn't the West Wing, where everyone gives a damn about doing what's right for the country... they don't care, the party exists to consolidate power within the party, that's all that matters, nothing else.

Democrats need to learn how to play hardball, they should commit that if the GOP fills RBG's seat, they'll add more seats to the court, and admit DC and PR to the US as full states. Unless Democrats finally learn to stand up to Republicans, the nation's gonna burn anyways.


I hear this a lot on Fark. "Disgusting republicans are cheating hypocrites with no honor or decency and are a threat to the Republic! Also, Democrats suck for NOT being cheating hypocrites with no honor or decency."
 
2020-09-21 1:58:38 PM  
THe only hope the Dems have is to win the Senate, keep the HR, and win the Presidency.  Once done, pack the courts from the top to the bottom, from the Supreme Court on down.  If they haven't learned that the GOP isn't interested in being reasonable BY NOW, then the Dems also need to clean house in their leadership, too.
They should've learned that lesson a long time ago, but they always play the silly game of "we can reach across the aisle to get things done".


F that.  No more working with them. At all. YOu see how they did Garland, and what they are doing now. Go nuclear on the GOP and crush their collective nuts into the dust, and let the GOP beg for mercy. Impeach Sen Ron Johnson for abuse of his position of Senator, start immediate hearings into every GOP member who has so much as sniffed Russian money and compromat, release all the dirty details on every GOP member, especially Graham and McConnell, even if they are voted out, and rev up every lawsuit against Trump and Co. as soon as inauguration day.

Democrats need to act like Klingons: don't take prisoners.
 
2020-09-21 2:01:44 PM  

Opacity: Trump is going to dump an incendiary nominee pre-election to whip up his base, to get them to vote for him. He doesn't give a damn about the goons in the Senate.

The Senate is going to wait until after the election to confirm, but, regardless, they will confirm. Sure, there will be a lot of verbal exhaling and head-wavering concern, but the R's will fall into line.


This is pretty much how I see it going.

Add in there, Susan Collins claiming she won't vote to seat someone...just to sway enough low information voters to vote for her, so she wins.

And, Nov 4th, she votes to confirm whatever terrible person is nominated AND gets 6 more years to be concerned.
 
2020-09-21 2:03:17 PM  

freetomato: Here you go, whidbey.


Thank you.
 
2020-09-21 2:08:01 PM  

whidbey: David Jeffrey Frum is a Canadian-American political commentator. A speechwriter for President George W. Bush

And this "tradition" of turning to speechwriters from another failed Presidency got old a while back now.

But let me guess, AOC, Warren and Sanders are too "radical."  Difficultly:  For the Atlantic.


You spend an awful lot of time here biatching about publications' political leanings.  Maybe instead skip these threads and spare us your insufferable tales about how much you don't care about what they have to say.
 
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