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(Washington Post)   Biden: We need to get rid of for-profit private prisons and increase the use of halfway houses to help recently released inmates readjust to society. Trump: OMG SLEEPY JOE WANTS TO ABOLISH PRISONS AND LET CRIMINALS GO FREE   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-21 11:14:49 AM  
67 votes:
Private prisons are not just immoral, but also an abomination and a cancer and and societal corrosive.
 
Bootleg [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-21 11:34:26 AM  
39 votes:
Can we also do something about that "No one will hire a felon" thing? Giving convicts more opportunities on the outside might help reduce recidivism, maybe.
 
Gubbo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-21 11:37:21 AM  
21 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Private prisons are not just immoral, but also an abomination and a cancer and and societal corrosive.


It's almost like everything the gop supports is just flat out evil.

Remarkable coincidence
 
Lord_Moldypants
2020-09-21 12:27:29 PM  
11 votes:
My first Bachelor's degree is in Criminology, and I banged this same drum for four years.  Statistics show that using a reentry program for people about to be released dramatically reduce recidivism.  We also need to start reopening better mental health facilities and quit housing severely mentally ill patients in prison because these poor souls aren't getting the treatment that they need, and without some sort of reentry program they usually crash and burn within weeks. The War on Drugs has been an abject failure because the only thing it has done is dramatically increase the prison population with people who don't need to be there.  Private prisons are horrible, and need to be shut down because they only magnify the problems that state-run prisons have.  80% of people in prison are going to be out in five years, and 70% of them will end up right back in within a year or two.  We HAVE to do better.
 
Nuc_E
2020-09-21 12:12:09 PM  
11 votes:

Bootleg: Can we also do something about that "No one will hire a felon" thing? Giving convicts more opportunities on the outside might help reduce recidivism, maybe.


There's a French restaurant, along with (now) a bakery and a butcher shop near my home that act as a halfway house and culinary arts training program for convicts and ex convicts.   My wife and I have not had the opportunity to eat at the restaurant proper, due to kids, jobs and now COVID.   Since the pandemic closed the restaurant, to keep funds flowing, they have been offering fixed menu take out meals 7 days a week.  We've been getting dinner from them at least once a week.

The man who started it is a genuine honest to god good person.  This world needs more programs like this and people like Brandon to run them.   Government money should go towards things like this, not prisons who make a buck on the backs of those they hold in lockup.
 
kbronsito [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:04:20 PM  
11 votes:
To keep halfway homes from ruining the property value of hardworking Americans, we'll place them all next to Trump properties.
 
emersonbiggins
2020-09-21 12:02:33 PM  
9 votes:
Joe should strike a compromise - keep the for-profit prisons open, release the current inmates, and replace them with the Trump cabal in 2021.  They might even have to build more of them.
 
danielem1
2020-09-21 12:15:22 PM  
8 votes:
You know we say for profit prisons have an incentive to keep prisoners locked up to keep the money flowing. We also have for profit healthcare which by nature of being for profit has an incentive to not provide care. We are the most duped country in the history of the world.
 
MattytheMouse [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:08:05 PM  
8 votes:
But for real, let's abolish prisons as they exist now, tho.
 
Boondock3806 [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:03:30 PM  
8 votes:
No nuance. No patience. Just fark the poors.
 
enry [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 11:15:09 AM  
8 votes:

Biscuit Tin: Trump's next thought: Wait. That could work out for me


Guarantee he doesn't think that far ahead.
 
ElwoodCuse [BareFark]
2020-09-21 12:31:24 PM  
7 votes:

Lord_Moldypants: The War on Drugs has been an abject failure because the only thing it has done is dramatically increase the prison population with people who don't need to be there


the people who started the war on drugs think this is why it was a terrific success
 
Great_Milenko
2020-09-21 12:06:58 PM  
7 votes:

kbronsito: To keep halfway homes from ruining the property value of hardworking Americans, we'll place them all next to in former Trump properties acquired through eminent domain.


That sounds better.
 
Biscuit Tin [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 11:12:21 AM  
7 votes:
Trump's next thought: Wait. That could work out for me
 
gameshowhost [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:22:25 PM  
6 votes:
Also: pardon all non-violent drug offenders and end the stupid War On Drugs
 
Rapmaster2000
2020-09-21 12:06:56 PM  
6 votes:
Are both sides still totally the same?
 
The Irresponsible Captain [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:44:10 PM  
4 votes:
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PlaidJaguar
2020-09-21 12:54:12 PM  
3 votes:

gameshowhost: Also: pardon all non-violent drug offenders and end the stupid War On Drugs


It's not stupid, it's evil.

The War On Some Drugs, through selective enforcement, has been the single most effective tool to keep undesirables from voting since Jim Crowe.
 
UltimaCS
2020-09-21 12:12:53 PM  
3 votes:
We can't just restructure a huge portion of the private sector! Not unless they piss off Republicans.
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PlaidJaguar
2020-09-21 12:50:08 PM  
2 votes:
A good, if tiny, first step.

What we really need to close down are the for-profit detention centers full of non-citizens of asorted legal status.

People always talk about the prisons and forget about the detention centers, which are actually where the private orgs make most of their money, and the detainees have even fewer rights.

Funny that.
 
I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-21 12:38:51 PM  
2 votes:

gameshowhost: Also: pardon all non-violent drug offenders and end the stupid War On Drugs


Portugal.
 
ElwoodCuse [BareFark]
2020-09-21 12:26:34 PM  
2 votes:
oh they also put prisons in rural areas to boost the census, even though people in those prisons can't vote. ain't this country great?
 
zeroman987
2020-09-21 12:24:03 PM  
2 votes:

madgonad: Bootleg: Can we also do something about that "No one will hire a felon" thing? Giving convicts more opportunities on the outside might help reduce recidivism, maybe.

On the flip side, why should somebody who DIDN'T go to prison miss out on a good job opportunity?


Maybe they shouldn't be such a loser that the employer would rather hire a thief, rapist, or murderer?
 
runwiz [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-21 12:21:26 PM  
2 votes:
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MattytheMouse: But for real, let's abolish prisons as they exist now, tho.

Regardless if public or private, it's no mistake prisons (stocked with targeted minorites by a racist judicial system) are always located in remote, rural, RED counties to provide cushy jobs to psychopathically cruel white supremacists.

Such as Attica.

It's not so much as to provide cushy jobs to cruel white supremecists it's because jobs in those areas are scarce, especially decent paying jobs.  These areas are economically stagnant and they see a prison as a economic boost.  Also, land there is often cheap and available.
 
UltimaCS
2020-09-21 12:19:59 PM  
2 votes:

quo vadimus: Meanwhile in Bernieland: OMG BIDEN REFUSES TO EVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT PRISONS BSAB PART OF THE SYSTEM FLKAJFWAEINB!!!


Ayukshully, we've been pissed at his lack of plans for police reform. The thing people have been pretty upset about lately. Talking about prison reform is a good idea, but doesn't change the conversation.
 
quo vadimus [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:16:12 PM  
2 votes:
Meanwhile in Bernieland: OMG BIDEN REFUSES TO EVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT PRISONS BSAB PART OF THE SYSTEM FLKAJFWAEINB!!!
 
I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-21 12:15:52 PM  
2 votes:

MattytheMouse: But for real, let's abolish prisons as they exist now, tho.


Regardless if public or private, it's no mistake prisons (stocked with targeted minorites by a racist judicial system) are always located in remote, rural, RED counties to provide cushy jobs to psychopathically cruel white supremacists.

Such as Attica.
 
gameshowhost [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-09-21 4:51:48 PM  
1 vote:

madgonad: alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: madgonad: alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: madgonad: Do you get to go right back to where you were before you went in or should it knock you down a couple pegs?

If I take a couple of years off my job for any reason, I'm probably not going to jump back in right at the level I left off. A gap in your resume is hard enough to overcome, whether it's because you were incarcerated, went backpacking across Europe to find yourself, or decided to make a stab at playing online poker for a living.

Why don't we start with just eliminating the "CONVICTED FELON" stigma, and see what that does for us. You do your time, your record is expunged, and no employer gets to know that about you. You'll still have the gap in your resume to deal with, that should be punitive enough.

Yeah, there are all kinds of convicted felons.

Which of these would be acceptable for your boss to hire to work as your coworker?

-Drug possession (meth)
-Drug trafficking (pot)
-Repeat DWI
-Wife beater
-Corporate fraudster
-Assault & battery
-Dinesh D'Souza
-Armed robbery
-Tax fraud
-Breaking & entering / robbery
-Vehicular manslaughter
-2nd degree murder
-Arson
-Vandalism

Have they served their time? Are we, as a society, saying they've paid their debt? Then hire all of them. I might actually start going to the lame "mandatory" company bowling outings if I can chat with some characters like that.

How about a pedophile?


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alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:57:15 PM  
1 vote:

madgonad: Do you get to go right back to where you were before you went in or should it knock you down a couple pegs?


If I take a couple of years off my job for any reason, I'm probably not going to jump back in right at the level I left off. A gap in your resume is hard enough to overcome, whether it's because you were incarcerated, went backpacking across Europe to find yourself, or decided to make a stab at playing online poker for a living.

Why don't we start with just eliminating the "CONVICTED FELON" stigma, and see what that does for us. You do your time, your record is expunged, and no employer gets to know that about you. You'll still have the gap in your resume to deal with, that should be punitive enough.
 
Vhale [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:44:28 PM  
1 vote:
Can we just start calling them workhouses again?
 
madgonad [OhFark]
2020-09-21 12:33:39 PM  
1 vote:

alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax: madgonad: Bootleg: Can we also do something about that "No one will hire a felon" thing? Giving convicts more opportunities on the outside might help reduce recidivism, maybe.

On the flip side, why should somebody who DIDN'T go to prison miss out on a good job opportunity?

And while we're at it, where we at on getting a WHITE history month on the calendars??


Hey, my career doesn't have that issue but there are many that do.

If you hire an ex-con, who doesn't get the job?

Is it the high school graduate that got mostly C's in school?
Is it someone who just finished their BA?
Is it a mid-career person that is trying to move into management?
Is it a departmental director that is responsible for an entire business unit?

Do you get to go right back to where you were before you went in or should it knock you down a couple pegs?

I have no issue with someone who did their time and started from the bottom and worked their way to the top again. In two years my brother in law will get out of prison (again). I suspect he will go back to working as a trim carpenter. It is what he did after his prior prison term (that and armed robbery, I guess). Before he went to prison he was making $300k/year running the finance department of a car dealership in AZ.

It is a good question for society. Where should an ex-con fit in?
 
alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:17:24 PM  
1 vote:

madgonad: Bootleg: Can we also do something about that "No one will hire a felon" thing? Giving convicts more opportunities on the outside might help reduce recidivism, maybe.

On the flip side, why should somebody who DIDN'T go to prison miss out on a good job opportunity?


And while we're at it, where we at on getting a WHITE history month on the calendars??
 
kbronsito [TotalFark]
2020-09-21 12:14:02 PM  
1 vote:

Great_Milenko: kbronsito: To keep halfway homes from ruining the property value of hardworking Americans, we'll place them all next to in former Trump properties acquired through eminent domain.

That sounds better.


Why use eminent domain to acquire property that's gonna be confiscated via a RICO case?
 
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