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2020-09-21 10:13:37 AM  
Trump steak
 
2020-09-21 10:14:44 AM  
Treason is delicious with a mimosa.
 
2020-09-21 10:21:46 AM  
Glutinous restaurant breakfasts are something I'm missing.  I don't do it often, but there's a diner nearby that serves a great chicken fried steak/breakfast potatoes/eggs over easy.  Also Eggs O'Benny with corned beef in the mix.

Yeah, I'm capable of making this stuff at home, but I'm rarely inspired enough to put in the effort early in the morning.

I could get it to go, but it would be cold by the time I got it home.

/Also, Trumpypants is the treasoniest of treasonweasels.
 
2020-09-21 10:22:56 AM  
Damn you clumsy fingers!  Gluttinous!
 
2020-09-21 10:27:39 AM  
If Eggs Benedict had actually been named after Benedict Arnold then all would have been forgiven long ago.
Regardless they should rename the dish to Eggs a la God Almighty of the Angel Choirs or something more appropriate.
 
2020-09-21 10:32:16 AM  
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2020-09-21 10:42:11 AM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Mo​n​ument

Also, the perfect solution of how to memorialize all the elected officials we currently have who are working for Russia...
 
2020-09-21 11:39:28 AM  
Huh

Arnold was the victim of a smear campaign.
Some would say the catalyst was Pennsylvania Supreme Executive Council President Joseph Reed.
He took a personal dislike to Arnold and, in 1779, attempted to prosecute him on a series of treason charges ranging from buying illegal goods to preferring the company of British loyalists. In the build-up of his case, Reed was known to spread rumors about Arnold without offering proof of his allegations.


That could certainly have an impact on where you stand in the rebellion against your home country. And remember, the war was far from over in 1779.

If the rebellion failed, how would history remember him?
 
2020-09-21 11:43:12 AM  
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yay local history!
 
2020-09-21 11:52:51 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Huh

Arnold was the victim of a smear campaign.
Some would say the catalyst was Pennsylvania Supreme Executive Council President Joseph Reed.
He took a personal dislike to Arnold and, in 1779, attempted to prosecute him on a series of treason charges ranging from buying illegal goods to preferring the company of British loyalists. In the build-up of his case, Reed was known to spread rumors about Arnold without offering proof of his allegations.

That could certainly have an impact on where you stand in the rebellion against your home country. And remember, the war was far from over in 1779.

If the rebellion failed, how would history remember him?


CNN would have loved Reed.
 
2020-09-21 11:53:13 AM  
Look, there were good people on both sides...
 
2020-09-21 11:55:47 AM  
 
2020-09-21 11:56:57 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Yeah, I'm capable of making this stuff at home, but I'm rarely inspired enough to put in the effort early in the morning.


Never had "breakfast for dinner"?   Make it as a dinner meal.
 
2020-09-21 11:57:03 AM  
Im fascinated by traitors like Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen.

The thought of being under scrutiny by the FBI, CIA and KGB at the same time while facing a possible death sentence sounds like a 24/7 panic attack. No amount of money would be worth that.
 
2020-09-21 11:57:30 AM  

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yay local history!


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2020-09-21 11:57:35 AM  
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2020-09-21 11:59:19 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Look, there were good people on both sides...


Except the British.....

https://www.c-span.org/video/?438511-1​/hms-jersey-american-revolution

If you were sent to Auschwitz during WWII, you had a slightly better chance of surviving than if you had been sent to HMS Jersey during the American Revolution.   And that was done on purpose.
 
2020-09-21 12:02:23 PM  
And, not forget the Pope (who resigned!)

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2020-09-21 12:02:55 PM  
Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.
 
2020-09-21 12:07:49 PM  

Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.


It's American, it was named for a hungover Wall St stockbroker.
 
2020-09-21 12:08:44 PM  

Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.


Eggs Benedict is a US thing.  Spoiler alert: completely unrelated to Benedict Arnold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggs_Be​n​edict
 
2020-09-21 12:09:45 PM  

Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.


Il's like a topless Egg McMuffin with wallpaper paste slopped on it
 
2020-09-21 12:11:47 PM  
Most "patriots" in American history were really just looking out for their own narrow personal interests. Arnold was no different - he was happy to be on the side of the USA as long as he was getting promoted and making yuuuge money for for himself, but as soon as the lustre wore off and he saw people getting promoted past him he got pissed off and looked for an alternative.
 
2020-09-21 12:12:13 PM  

Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.


eggs benedict... Do you even have to ask?  It's obviously American.
 
2020-09-21 12:12:30 PM  

dothemath: Im fascinated by traitors like Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen.

The thought of being under scrutiny by the FBI, CIA and KGB at the same time while facing a possible death sentence sounds like a 24/7 panic attack. No amount of money would be worth that.


"Frequently, people who go along a treasonous path do not know they are on a treasonous path until it is too late." --former CIA Director John Brennan

It's probable that those spies, and others like them, did not realize what they were getting into until it was too late to get out.  Or if they did, by the time you realize that a lot of people who specialize in killing are after you, you no longer have a choice in the matter.
 
2020-09-21 12:13:08 PM  
On this day in history, in 1780, Benedict Arnold committed treason, a crime which led to his exile in England and the horrific sentence of having a breakfast dish named after him

...spotted dick?

/to be fair, he was spotted committing treason
//and traitors are dicks, so...
 
2020-09-21 12:16:39 PM  

toraque: It's probable that those spies, and others like them, did not realize what they were getting into


Yeah, thats not even close to being true.

They both got into it specifically for financial gain.
 
2020-09-21 12:17:53 PM  

Billy Liar: Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.

Il's like a topless Egg McMuffin with wallpaper paste slopped on it


Never had it but if I have the chance it will be ordered without wallpaper paste.
 
2020-09-21 12:17:55 PM  

dothemath: Im fascinated by traitors like Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen.

The thought of being under scrutiny by the FBI, CIA and KGB at the same time while facing a possible death sentence sounds like a 24/7 panic attack. No amount of money would be worth that.


When mrs threat and I toured D.C., we made sure to stop at the Spy Museum just so I could see the mailbox Ames used. I've read a number of books about him.
 
2020-09-21 12:19:26 PM  

jasonvatch: He got a statue...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Mon​ument

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I'm thinking a gilded toupee for Trump
 
2020-09-21 12:21:50 PM  

Dj Orange Threat: we made sure to stop at the Spy Museum just so I could see the mailbox Ames used. I've read a number of books about him.


Thats cool, Id go see that.
 
2020-09-21 12:29:21 PM  
In my history books he was a hero who saved a lot of lives, unjustly murdered by the Americans.
 
2020-09-21 12:35:51 PM  

Shaggy_C: Most "patriots" in American history were really just looking out for their own narrow personal interests. Arnold was no different - he was happy to be on the side of the USA as long as he was getting promoted and making yuuuge money for for himself, but as soon as the lustre wore off and he saw people getting promoted past him he got pissed off and looked for an alternative.


Not for nothing, but he was there for the cause from the beginning. In 1775 he was captain of the 2nd Company Governor's Foot Guards in Connecticut. When news of Lexington and Concord reached New Haven, he mustered his men, found the mayor in a tavern, and demanded the keys to the powder-house at sword point. With ammunition secured, he marched his men to Boston.

Shortly thereafter he joined with Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys to take Fort Ticonderoga (some day it was his idea, but even if it was, it was hardly an original one). He almost took Quebec, on an expedition he spent a lot of his own money on, which Congress failed to reimburse him for, and even won a naval battle on Lake Champlain.

In other words, he did a hell of a lot for the Cause, and kept getting farked over for it. Add his very bad taste in women on top of it, and his treason becomes understandable. Not justified by any means, just understandable.
 
2020-09-21 12:37:59 PM  
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2020-09-21 12:38:35 PM  
Trump to name a fort after him later today.
 
2020-09-21 12:40:27 PM  

g.fro: Shaggy_C: Most "patriots" in American history were really just looking out for their own narrow personal interests. Arnold was no different - he was happy to be on the side of the USA as long as he was getting promoted and making yuuuge money for for himself, but as soon as the lustre wore off and he saw people getting promoted past him he got pissed off and looked for an alternative.

Not for nothing, but he was there for the cause from the beginning. In 1775 he was captain of the 2nd Company Governor's Foot Guards in Connecticut. When news of Lexington and Concord reached New Haven, he mustered his men, found the mayor in a tavern, and demanded the keys to the powder-house at sword point. With ammunition secured, he marched his men to Boston.

Shortly thereafter he joined with Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys to take Fort Ticonderoga (some day it was his idea, but even if it was, it was hardly an original one). He almost took Quebec, on an expedition he spent a lot of his own money on, which Congress failed to reimburse him for, and even won a naval battle on Lake Champlain.

In other words, he did a hell of a lot for the Cause, and kept getting farked over for it. Add his very bad taste in women on top of it, and his treason becomes understandable. Not justified by any means, just understandable.


It's not like he was in a position to say "screw you, I'm going home" either.

Once he was involved from a military standpoint, the option to become "uninvolved" ceases to be an option.
 
2020-09-21 12:45:10 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Billy Liar: Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.

Il's like a topless Egg McMuffin with wallpaper paste slopped on it

Never had it but if I have the chance it will be ordered without wallpaper paste.


Asking someone what they think of Hollandaise will reveal the quality of the restaurants they visit.

There will not, however, *ever* be Eggs Trump topped with a sublime version of ketchup.
 
2020-09-21 12:49:49 PM  

SFSailor: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Billy Liar: Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.

Il's like a topless Egg McMuffin with wallpaper paste slopped on it

Never had it but if I have the chance it will be ordered without wallpaper paste.

Asking someone what they think of Hollandaise will reveal the quality of the restaurants they visit.

There will not, however, *ever* be Eggs Trump topped with a sublime version of ketchup.


good hollandaise is one of life's great joys.
 
2020-09-21 12:52:33 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Huh

Arnold was the victim of a smear campaign.
Some would say the catalyst was Pennsylvania Supreme Executive Council President Joseph Reed.
He took a personal dislike to Arnold and, in 1779, attempted to prosecute him on a series of treason charges ranging from buying illegal goods to preferring the company of British loyalists. In the build-up of his case, Reed was known to spread rumors about Arnold without offering proof of his allegations.

That could certainly have an impact on where you stand in the rebellion against your home country. And remember, the war was far from over in 1779.

If the rebellion failed, how would history remember him?


Well, it was also due to the fact that the leaders of the nascent United States didn't like Arnold very much (they supported Gates over him), outside of George Washington.

And the other is that his new wife and her family were Loyalists and were probably another reason for his turn.

Doesn't mean he wasn't a traitor, but it's a lot more nuanced than the history books have told us over the years.
 
2020-09-21 12:54:57 PM  
Eggs a la Arnold?
 
2020-09-21 12:56:45 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Billy Liar: Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.

Il's like a topless Egg McMuffin with wallpaper paste slopped on it

Never had it but if I have the chance it will be ordered without wallpaper paste.


That wallpaper paste is, or should be, hollandaise sauce and it's delicious. Maybe they just never had a properly made eggs benedict
 
2020-09-21 12:57:40 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Billy Liar: Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.

Il's like a topless Egg McMuffin with wallpaper paste slopped on it

Never had it but if I have the chance it will be ordered without wallpaper paste.


The sauce needs to be made fresh/fairly often.  It's basically egg yolks and butter, high calorie fatty goodness, but it doesn't keep well.  There are mass produced brunch tricks that greatly lower the quality of the eggs/sauce.
 
2020-09-21 1:00:43 PM  
Arnold, the former American patriot, fled to the enemy side and went on to lead British troops in Virginia and Connecticut. He later moved to England, though he never received all of what he'd been promised by the British. He died in London on June 14, 1801.

And so his treason was all for nought.  That's the problem with treason; once you betray your old friends your new friends might start to thinking you'll betray them, too.
 
2020-09-21 1:01:05 PM  

Ker_Thwap: The sauce needs to be made fresh/fairly often.


Every 20 minutes is the rule I was taught. If it is older than 20 minutes, it is tossed.
 
2020-09-21 1:02:11 PM  

g.fro: Shaggy_C: Most "patriots" in American history were really just looking out for their own narrow personal interests. Arnold was no different - he was happy to be on the side of the USA as long as he was getting promoted and making yuuuge money for for himself, but as soon as the lustre wore off and he saw people getting promoted past him he got pissed off and looked for an alternative.

Not for nothing, but he was there for the cause from the beginning. In 1775 he was captain of the 2nd Company Governor's Foot Guards in Connecticut. When news of Lexington and Concord reached New Haven, he mustered his men, found the mayor in a tavern, and demanded the keys to the powder-house at sword point. With ammunition secured, he marched his men to Boston.

Shortly thereafter he joined with Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys to take Fort Ticonderoga (some day it was his idea, but even if it was, it was hardly an original one). He almost took Quebec, on an expedition he spent a lot of his own money on, which Congress failed to reimburse him for, and even won a naval battle on Lake Champlain.

In other words, he did a hell of a lot for the Cause, and kept getting farked over for it. Add his very bad taste in women on top of it, and his treason becomes understandable. Not justified by any means, just understandable.


seriously. Dude was Captain America for a long while. IIRC, he came up with and led a crazy-like-a-fox mission to defeat the British navy on the Hudson with a flotilla of garbage-y boats against ships of the line... and won. He was farking brilliant, and I say this as a Canadian. The guy took and held Quebec city, which was essentially North America's Death Star.
 
2020-09-21 1:06:40 PM  

Dj Orange Threat: dothemath: Im fascinated by traitors like Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen.

The thought of being under scrutiny by the FBI, CIA and KGB at the same time while facing a possible death sentence sounds like a 24/7 panic attack. No amount of money would be worth that.

When mrs threat and I toured D.C., we made sure to stop at the Spy Museum just so I could see the mailbox Ames used. I've read a number of books about him.


The International Spy Museum has a bunch of excellent lectures up on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/user/IntlSpyM​u​seum
 
2020-09-21 1:10:17 PM  

Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.


Rich man's Eggumuffun
 
2020-09-21 1:11:11 PM  

funmonger: Quebec city, which was essentially North America's Death Star.


Yeah, but the women at the QI on any given night are awesome.
 
2020-09-21 1:12:24 PM  

electricjebus: Lady J: Is benedict arnold a British dish, or American? Cos I've never eaten it. I can't remember ever seeing it on a menu.

eggs benedict... Do you even have to ask?  It's obviously American.


Benedict Arnold is just eggs benedict? Oh. I haven't had that either (not a fan of rich egg-based dishes like that), but I have of course seen it on menus.
 
2020-09-21 1:13:47 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Nadie_AZ: Huh

Arnold was the victim of a smear campaign.
Some would say the catalyst was Pennsylvania Supreme Executive Council President Joseph Reed.
He took a personal dislike to Arnold and, in 1779, attempted to prosecute him on a series of treason charges ranging from buying illegal goods to preferring the company of British loyalists. In the build-up of his case, Reed was known to spread rumors about Arnold without offering proof of his allegations.

That could certainly have an impact on where you stand in the rebellion against your home country. And remember, the war was far from over in 1779.

If the rebellion failed, how would history remember him?

Well, it was also due to the fact that the leaders of the nascent United States didn't like Arnold very much (they supported Gates over him), outside of George Washington.

And the other is that his new wife and her family were Loyalists and were probably another reason for his turn.

Doesn't mean he wasn't a traitor, but it's a lot more nuanced than the history books have told us over the years.


Well, depends on the history book.

I've got a very well done tome about him and John Andre.

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BTW, Farkin' Google *SUCKS*.   I put that title in double quotes like this:  "The Traitor and the Spy", and the first couple pages of results were this:

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I'm sure it's a fascinating book, but that's not what I searched for, dumbasses.

I'm seeing a lot more of that kind of result these days.  Google has gone from a search engine to an advertising engine.
 
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