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2020-09-21 9:20:57 AM  
ORRRRR....instead of spending all this time talking about things we know are true, we could implement Universal Health Care and stop all this medical billing nonsense.
 
2020-09-21 9:23:45 AM  
done in one.

ghouls. The entire industry.
My cousin is in the medical supply business.
YUGE Trumper.
Wonder why
 
2020-09-21 10:24:22 AM  

vudukungfu: done in one.

ghouls. The entire industry.
My cousin is in the medical supply business.
YUGE Trumper.
Wonder why


Cos they're massively overweight? What's their Fark handle?
 
2020-09-21 10:35:19 AM  
The pricing is opaque on purpose.  The billing systems are also highly arcane by design.  Burn the whole thing to the ground and let's get real health care.  What we have is complete shiat.

If you get any questionable medical bill, send a letter via the US postal service demanding documentation for the service.  Keep doing that until you get it.  Odds are you will send out a lot of letters, but never have to pay that bill.
 
2020-09-21 10:52:30 AM  
i keep getting a paywall.  how do i get around this farkers?
 
2020-09-21 10:52:36 AM  
I'm not trusting any study coming from the RAND Corporation.

/through the looking glass here, people
 
2020-09-21 10:57:12 AM  
Because Medicare often doesn't pay enough to keep the lights on?

Several years ago, hospitals got gouged out the keister to upgrade to ICD 10. The software upgrades were on the order of $50 million plus annual support for a mid sized hospital. Now we get to pay for it.   You can go complain to Judy Faulkner.
 
2020-09-21 11:01:08 AM  
After a car accident in 1984, I was in the hospital for four months.
With nothing better to do (and to keep myself sane) I kept a journal of every pill, injection, p.t, Dr. contact, x-ray, meal, snack, etc.

When it came time to settle up, I spent 3 DAYS with the billing department going over the charges.
With my documentation--my bill was reduced by almost 20%
 
2020-09-21 11:01:59 AM  

bdub77: ORRRRR....instead of spending all this time talking about things we know are true, we could implement Universal Health Care and stop all this medical billing nonsense.


Healthcare is a for-profit industry like any other, focused on enriching stockholders. If UHC could make more money for stockholders, it would have happened decades ago.
 
2020-09-21 11:02:15 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Because Medicare often doesn't pay enough to keep the lights on?

Several years ago, hospitals got gouged out the keister to upgrade to ICD 10. The software upgrades were on the order of $50 million plus annual support for a mid sized hospital. Now we get to pay for it.   You can go complain to Judy Faulkner.


Sounds Epic.
 
2020-09-21 11:07:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you get any questionable medical bill, send a letter via the US postal service demanding documentation for the service.  Keep doing that until you get it.  Odds are you will send out a lot of letters, but never have to pay that bill.


This is what many farkers actually believe.  Not only will you get it, it'll go out in the mail that day, or the next business day at the latest.

.

Zevon's Evil Twin: When it came time to settle up, I spent 3 DAYS with the billing department going over the charges. With my documentation--my bill was reduced by almost 20%


TheGreatGazoo: Because Medicare often doesn't pay enough to keep the lights on?


Yup.  It's almost as CMS as come right out and said that Medicare and Medicaid doesn't cover the cost of care, on top of the fact that uninsured patients almost never pay their bills following a serious hospitalization, so people with insurance wind up balancing the ledger.

This article is idiotic.  Show me any provider that gets paid less by BCBS than it gets paid by CMS and I'll show you a provider who is going bankrupt or some administrators that are going to get fired.
 
2020-09-21 11:11:47 AM  
The Mayo Clinic has a monopoly on healthcare in southern MN and northern IA. They have been closing local hospitals and clinics to create a system that simply feeds people into the Rochester/Mayo system. And, not surprisingly, southern MN has some of the highest healthcare costs in the United States.
 
2020-09-21 11:14:15 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Because Medicare often doesn't pay enough to keep the lights on?

Several years ago, hospitals got gouged out the keister to upgrade to ICD 10. The software upgrades were on the order of $50 million plus annual support for a mid sized hospital. Now we get to pay for it.   You can go complain to Judy Faulkner.


Sure it cost a lot, but now I can properly code for the following!

V95.43 - Spacecraft collision injuring occupant
W61.43 - Pecked by a turkey
Y92.253 - Injured at an Opera House
 
2020-09-21 11:17:18 AM  
My shocked face :/
 
2020-09-21 11:18:19 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Because Medicare often doesn't pay enough to keep the lights on?

Several years ago, hospitals got gouged out the keister to upgrade to ICD 10. The software upgrades were on the order of $50 million plus annual support for a mid sized hospital. Now we get to pay for it.   You can go complain to Judy Faulkner.


That's exactly right.  Medicare underpays.  Insurance is overcharged and generally tries to underpay when they can.  Patients and taxpayers get stuck with the rest of the bill.  Unfunded mandates every year that are attached to every bill that hits the floor is a bad thing.  I haven't seen a single improvement come across my desk.  I just keep paying for new software for no benefit.
 
2020-09-21 11:20:38 AM  

Subtonic: I'm not trusting any study coming from the RAND Corporation.

/through the looking glass here, people


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2020-09-21 11:24:07 AM  

bdub77: ORRRRR....instead of spending all this time talking about things we know are true, we could implement Universal Health Care and stop all this medical billing nonsense.


There would still be medical billing. How do you think universal health care would work exactly? Medical billing is mostly to insurance/medicare/medicaid. And medicare is one of the most ridiculous to work with. There are more people at the hospital I work at filling out billing paperwork to the government than there are doctors, and some hospitals try to get more things billed out than others. I don't know why people think universal health care would stop medical billing. Nobody works for free.
 
2020-09-21 11:25:04 AM  
You would almost think a group of insurers got together with a political figure behind closed doors and had a chat.  Maybe one where perceived inevitability of universal health care coverage in the US was discussed.  In order to not have those insurers not fight against it too hard, they were let in on a secret: a health care bill was going to pass that expanded access and limited exclusions based on preexisting conditions, hard to argue against morally.  The secret was it was designed to be a complete clusterfark and implode, by one of several means.  The most appealing means was a complete lack of billing reform that would allow insurers and providers to essentially do whatever the hell they want until the system reaches a breaking point at which time it would be viewed that there is no other choice but to enter into a UHC system.  Up to that point everybody could profit all they want and prepare for the government to buy them out when the breaking point hit, most assuming it would be 5-20 years.

It seems to be working as planned.

Now if you'll exclude me I need to adjust the antennae on my tinfoil fat before the lizard people send their scanning van down my street at 10:28 central.
 
2020-09-21 11:25:41 AM  
I'm not creating an account just to find out, NYT.
 
2020-09-21 11:32:28 AM  

Byno: Marcus Aurelius: If you get any questionable medical bill, send a letter via the US postal service demanding documentation for the service.  Keep doing that until you get it.  Odds are you will send out a lot of letters, but never have to pay that bill.

This is what many farkers actually believe.  Not only will you get it, it'll go out in the mail that day, or the next business day at the latest.

.Zevon's Evil Twin: When it came time to settle up, I spent 3 DAYS with the billing department going over the charges. With my documentation--my bill was reduced by almost 20%

TheGreatGazoo: Because Medicare often doesn't pay enough to keep the lights on?

Yup.  It's almost as CMS as come right out and said that Medicare and Medicaid doesn't cover the cost of care, on top of the fact that uninsured patients almost never pay their bills following a serious hospitalization, so people with insurance wind up balancing the ledger.

This article is idiotic.  Show me any provider that gets paid less by BCBS than it gets paid by CMS and I'll show you a provider who is going bankrupt or some administrators that are going to get fired.


And yet for some reason, plenty of other countries are able to have excellent universal healthcare programs and pay less than half of what we pay.  You can't explain that!
 
2020-09-21 11:32:39 AM  

Zevon's Evil Twin: After a car accident in 1984, I was in the hospital for four months.
With nothing better to do (and to keep myself sane) I kept a journal of every pill, injection, p.t, Dr. contact, x-ray, meal, snack, etc.

When it came time to settle up, I spent 3 DAYS with the billing department going over the charges.
With my documentation--my bill was reduced by almost 20%


When my step-father was in the hospital for 2 months getting his leg removed (complications from the beetus), a Doctor would stick his head in the door every morning and say, "How are we feeling today?" and then leave. This resulted in a $3000.00 item on his bill listed as "Consulting Fee".

"Medical Bankruptcy can't be avoided", says the only country where medical bankruptcy occurs.
 
2020-09-21 11:34:10 AM  

brizzle365: So, while there are some who want to wipe out student debt altogether, I wonder if they are ok with adding another $1.2 trillion to the national debt, because of it.


When Democrats want to do something that helps everyone, the national debt matters.
When Republicans want to give the rich yet another tax cut, it doesn't.

Yawn.
 
2020-09-21 11:36:12 AM  
In other states you will bankrupt when you check into the hospital vs. those when you check out.  I'd recommend fleeing the country, but there aren't many countries that will let you in long enough to quarantine for the place you really want to go.
/covid19 can't have been around that long
//I still can't spell quarantine without google's help
///this slashie still in quarantine
 
2020-09-21 11:39:00 AM  
Medical costs, student loans, predatory financing (to name a few) are all forms of financial cancer.
 
2020-09-21 11:40:42 AM  

Z-clipped: And yet for some reason, plenty of other countries are able to have excellent universal healthcare programs and pay less than half of what we pay.  You can't explain that!


Show me where I said anything about universal healthcare.  I'll wait.

From this very thread, everybody in healthcare is a "ghoul," and a bunch of farkers with no clue how healthcare billing works are here to Farksplain to those of us who've forgotten more than they know why we're wrong.

Do we too much for drugs and too much for private insurance and for too many administrators and too much back office. Absolutely.  Has the Times uncovered some sort of gotcha moment?  Only if you have literally no idea how healthcare works.
 
2020-09-21 11:42:21 AM  
I've been to countries where the "medical billing department" doesn't exist.  Because there's no reason it needs to.

It's just a white board behind the counter listing the procedures and their cost.

Our healthcare system is a complicated system of smoke and mirrors, by design.
 
2020-09-21 11:51:16 AM  

OldJames: bdub77: ORRRRR....instead of spending all this time talking about things we know are true, we could implement Universal Health Care and stop all this medical billing nonsense.

There would still be medical billing. How do you think universal health care would work exactly? Medical billing is mostly to insurance/medicare/medicaid. And medicare is one of the most ridiculous to work with. There are more people at the hospital I work at filling out billing paperwork to the government than there are doctors, and some hospitals try to get more things billed out than others. I don't know why people think universal health care would stop medical billing. Nobody works for free.


aaaawwww...would you look at that. RWNJ or Troll is against Universal Healthcare...This is my shocked face :/
 
2020-09-21 11:52:35 AM  

bdub77: ORRRRR....instead of spending all this time talking about things we know are true, we could implement Universal Health Care and stop all this medical billing nonsense.



What, and make "the world's greatest health care system"  accessible to everyone? That's crazy talk.
 
2020-09-21 12:30:15 PM  

Z-clipped: Byno: Marcus Aurelius: If you get any questionable medical bill, send a letter via the US postal service demanding documentation for the service.  Keep doing that until you get it.  Odds are you will send out a lot of letters, but never have to pay that bill.

This is what many farkers actually believe.  Not only will you get it, it'll go out in the mail that day, or the next business day at the latest.

.Zevon's Evil Twin: When it came time to settle up, I spent 3 DAYS with the billing department going over the charges. With my documentation--my bill was reduced by almost 20%

TheGreatGazoo: Because Medicare often doesn't pay enough to keep the lights on?

Yup.  It's almost as CMS as come right out and said that Medicare and Medicaid doesn't cover the cost of care, on top of the fact that uninsured patients almost never pay their bills following a serious hospitalization, so people with insurance wind up balancing the ledger.

This article is idiotic.  Show me any provider that gets paid less by BCBS than it gets paid by CMS and I'll show you a provider who is going bankrupt or some administrators that are going to get fired.

And yet for some reason, plenty of other countries are able to have excellent universal healthcare programs and pay less than half of what we pay.  You can't explain that!


Define "universal."

Take, for example, colonoscopies. The accepted wisdom in the US is that you get one at age 50, even 45, and with Chadwick Boseman's recent death the matter takes on greater urgency. And yet...our sophisticated neighbors are not on the same page. You can get simpler procedures, but for the full colonoscopy, you get on the wait list.

Want one in Sweden? Better live near Stockholm (page 10) or you're in for some traveling. In the rest of the country, getting a regular colonoscopy isn't a thing.

We also don't have the relatively trustworthy governments they have in places like Scandinavia. They can charge much higher taxes (on everybody) because they earn the right to do so. Consent of the governed and all that.
 
2020-09-21 12:40:54 PM  

Byno: Z-clipped: And yet for some reason, plenty of other countries are able to have excellent universal healthcare programs and pay less than half of what we pay.  You can't explain that!

Show me where I said anything about universal healthcare.  I'll wait.

From this very thread, everybody in healthcare is a "ghoul," and a bunch of farkers with no clue how healthcare billing works are here to Farksplain to those of us who've forgotten more than they know why we're wrong.

Do we too much for drugs and too much for private insurance and for too many administrators and too much back office. Absolutely.  Has the Times uncovered some sort of gotcha moment?  Only if you have literally no idea how healthcare works.


Well here's some food for thought, and no this is not an indictment against paying someone who sucked up 8 years of college and still has student loans to cover.

IF the multiple websites are to be believed, US Doctors make much, much more than their counterparts in most  socialized medicine countries (one example).  I didn't run all the numbers, but it looks like in America a Doctor's pay puts them in the Upper Middle to Lower Upper class per Pew.  In no other country on that list does a GP's income command the same GDP ratio, the next closest is the UK.

However, do these other countries in the top 5 General Practitioners incomes (UK, Canada, Switzerland, Denmark) also treat GPs as small business owners?  With all of the headaches and hoop jumping that comes with it?  That sounds like having two jobs to me.  Just throwing that thought out there.
 
2020-09-21 12:42:30 PM  

bdub77: ORRRRR....instead of spending all this time talking about things we know are true, we could implement Universal Health Care and stop all this medical billing nonsense.


Yeah but the Republican approach of just lying and saying we have the best health care system in the world is SO much cheaper!
 
2020-09-21 12:49:16 PM  
I wonder what they're paid per covid case?
 
2020-09-21 12:51:02 PM  

Byno: Has the Times uncovered some sort of gotcha moment?


What?  Why would that be the bar for journalism?  Clearly, not enough people know how badly farked our healthcare system is, or we would already have a single payer system.  The more articles about the problem with profiteering the better.
 
2020-09-21 12:56:05 PM  

OldJames: bdub77: ORRRRR....instead of spending all this time talking about things we know are true, we could implement Universal Health Care and stop all this medical billing nonsense.

There would still be medical billing. How do you think universal health care would work exactly? Medical billing is mostly to insurance/medicare/medicaid. And medicare is one of the most ridiculous to work with. There are more people at the hospital I work at filling out billing paperwork to the government than there are doctors, and some hospitals try to get more things billed out than others. I don't know why people think universal health care would stop medical billing. Nobody works for free.


You are correct that medial billing itself is not the issue, it is the way it is currently designed that is the issue.  That is, it is designed specifically to allow for overcharging patients and double-billing of related services.

One example, I went to the ER 2 years ago for a torn ligament in my foot.  While waiting for the x-ray results to come back, a doctor (not the attending physician) walked into my room, picked up my chart, asked me how I was feeling, put the chart back without writing anything down, and walked out. 

It turns out he was an "independent contractor" who added a "$1000 consulting fee" to my bill, even though he didn't do a damn thing to treat my injury.  My insurer called BS on that line item, and refused to pay, so the doctor's private practice sent me a separate bill.

The entire system is corrupt as hell.
 
2020-09-21 1:03:05 PM  

brizzle365: helps everyone? Explain how so?


If you need me to explain that a large number of people having money to spend on products and services is what drives a healthy economy, I don't don't think you're going to understand the rest of what I'm going to say.

Yes, the entire student loan/tuition hike fiasco was/is a problem.  Stagnant wages are also part of the problem, as is job requirement inflation.  These are all problems we could address if we had the will to, and if the super wealthy didn't own our our legislative process.

But this is all separate from the fact that there is a literal crisis that is poised to balloon out of control and stall the entire US economy.  That needs to be dealt with NOW.

Also, this isn't just about student loans.  It's about the presupposition that the things that would make our society better and more functional for 80% of us are somehow "too expensive", while we ignore the staggeringly lopsided wealth and income disparity that the current tax structure supports.  We are the richest country in the world.  It's NOT too expensive for our citizens to have universal healthcare, education, and decent wages.  Start from that simple foundation and everything you're saying falls apart.
 
2020-09-21 1:03:24 PM  

Z-clipped: Byno: Has the Times uncovered some sort of gotcha moment?

What?  Why would that be the bar for journalism?  Clearly, not enough people know how badly farked our healthcare system is, or we would already have a single payer system.  The more articles about the problem with profiteering the better.


What? If you knew ANYTHING about healthcare you would stop reading at the headline.  And profiteering?  Yes, hospitals should get paid the same as Medicare for all patients no matter what.  So they can all go bankrupt.
 
2020-09-21 1:06:39 PM  
We spent 7k just pooping out the kid. I'd say Florida's chart is right but I also suspect a lot of it is that I'm making up for all the people that couldn't pay out the nose like I could.
 
2020-09-21 2:24:23 PM  
Well, of COURSE the answer is GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare, from the womb to the tomb!
What is needed is getting rid of PPO/HMO's which "lock" people into one or two healthcare providers
in their area.   Tort reform would also help by getting rid of the slip & fall lawsuits that plague the health
industry.  Why do you think they run such a battery of tests all the time?  Because they are afraid if they
miss something obscure, they will be sued.

But, at some point, I'm sure we will go with government healthcare, and, at that point, only the politicians,
and the wealthy will still receive good healthcare, the rest of us, not so much!
 
2020-09-21 2:30:03 PM  

Byno: Z-clipped: Byno: Has the Times uncovered some sort of gotcha moment?

What?  Why would that be the bar for journalism?  Clearly, not enough people know how badly farked our healthcare system is, or we would already have a single payer system.  The more articles about the problem with profiteering the better.

What? If you knew ANYTHING about healthcare you would stop reading at the headline.  And profiteering?  Yes, hospitals should get paid the same as Medicare for all patients no matter what.  So they can all go bankrupt.


And then we just nationalize them, and they don't have to make a profit.
 
2020-09-21 2:43:50 PM  
I'm not the one baldly claiming something is impossibe when numerous examples of it already exist.
 
2020-09-21 2:55:26 PM  

p51d007: Well, of COURSE the answer is GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare, from the womb to the tomb!
What is needed is getting rid of PPO/HMO's which "lock" people into one or two healthcare providers
in their area.   Tort reform would also help by getting rid of the slip & fall lawsuits that plague the health
industry.  Why do you think they run such a battery of tests all the time?  Because they are afraid if they
miss something obscure, they will be sued.

But, at some point, I'm sure we will go with government healthcare, and, at that point, only the politicians,
and the wealthy will still receive good healthcare
, the rest of us, not so much!


are you describing present day?

Think about who has access to Covid tests that give results in under 3-(who knows when?) business days.

Hint:It's been limited to politicians and the wealthy
 
2020-09-21 3:16:57 PM  

akya: Think about who has access to Covid tests that give results in under 3-(who knows when?) business days.

Hint:It's been limited to politicians and the wealthy


This is what drives me crazy about a number of Fark threads of late: totally uninformed opinions such as this one.

I can get a COVID test in the next thirty minutes and get the results back before 5PM ET.  And it's not because I'm a politician or because I own a private plane.  I can do this at a clinic or at the closest hospital.
 
2020-09-21 3:25:22 PM  

Byno: akya: Think about who has access to Covid tests that give results in under 3-(who knows when?) business days.

Hint:It's been limited to politicians and the wealthy

This is what drives me crazy about a number of Fark threads of late: totally uninformed opinions such as this one.

I can get a COVID test in the next thirty minutes and get the results back before 5PM ET.  And it's not because I'm a politician or because I own a private plane.  I can do this at a clinic or at the closest hospital.


We must live in different places.

I can't.

I've tried.  They all are either the 3-5 day tests, or require being admitted to a hospital (something that wouldn't be appropriate for the mild symptoms I had).

So Yes, I COULD get a fast test.  But only under certain very specific conditions that I didn't meet.

Meanwhile, everyone who visits the white house gets the results back in minutes.
 
2020-09-21 3:27:53 PM  
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2020-09-21 3:45:53 PM  

bdub77: ORRRRR....instead of spending all this time talking about things we know are true, we could implement Universal Health Care and stop all this medical billing nonsense.


Oh, but that's socialism talk and we wouldn't want that even though we should.
 
2020-09-21 4:07:40 PM  
I have it on good authority that several years ago we fixed healthcare in this country.  This was accomplished by forcing everyone to become customers of those who farked it up in the first place, so this story is clearly bullshiat.
 
2020-09-21 4:26:38 PM  

p51d007: Well, of COURSE the answer is GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare, from the womb to the tomb!
What is needed is getting rid of PPO/HMO's which "lock" people into one or two healthcare providers
in their area.   Tort reform would also help by getting rid of the slip & fall lawsuits that plague the health
industry.  Why do you think they run such a battery of tests all the time?  Because they are afraid if they
miss something obscure, they will be sued.

But, at some point, I'm sure we will go with government healthcare, and, at that point, only the politicians,
and the wealthy will still receive good healthcare, the rest of us, not so much!


Are you one of the teenagers that are being paid to spread BS?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politi​c​s/turning-point-teens-disinformation-t​rump/2020/09/15/c84091ae-f20a-11ea-b79​6-2dd09962649c_story.html

A lot of COMMERCIAL health plans lock you into some providers, and others are "out of network".

A federal plan would cover all doctors (the ones who want to practice medicine, not get rich by screwing the patients and the insurance co's). Unless you think that Medicaid or Medicare locks you into certain doctors.

You bs is just that, outright lies.
 
2020-09-21 6:17:23 PM  

brizzle365: whitroth: p51d007: Well, of COURSE the answer is GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare, from the womb to the tomb!
What is needed is getting rid of PPO/HMO's which "lock" people into one or two healthcare providers
in their area.   Tort reform would also help by getting rid of the slip & fall lawsuits that plague the health
industry.  Why do you think they run such a battery of tests all the time?  Because they are afraid if they
miss something obscure, they will be sued.

But, at some point, I'm sure we will go with government healthcare, and, at that point, only the politicians,
and the wealthy will still receive good healthcare, the rest of us, not so much!

Are you one of the teenagers that are being paid to spread BS?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic​s/turning-point-teens-disinformation-t​rump/2020/09/15/c84091ae-f20a-11ea-b79​6-2dd09962649c_story.html

A lot of COMMERCIAL health plans lock you into some providers, and others are "out of network".

A federal plan would cover all doctors (the ones who want to practice medicine, not get rich by screwing the patients and the insurance co's). Unless you think that Medicaid or Medicare locks you into certain doctors.

You bs is just that, outright lies.

Medicare/Medicade locks you out from certain doctors and health care providers. The reason you ask? Because the gov is absolutely inept at everything they do, including things that they have been doing for decades and the private market wont fight them anymore, because they continue to get farked.

At least the VA got wise thanks to the orange terror, allowing vets to see their private doctors at VA expense.


Really? They lock you out? I've not heard this from my SO, any of my friends, or anyone else.

Absolutely inept? Really? So we didn't win WWII, or go to the Moon? How about the reason for "inept" is that PEOPLE LIKE YOU SUPPORT THE GOP, WHO UNDERFUND EVERYTHING (WHY AREN'T THERE ENOUGH IRS AUDITORS TO AUDIT ALL THE BILLIONAIRES, AND ALL THE BILLION AND TRILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES? HOW ABOUT AUDITING HSBC (go read the story from yesterday.

You've obviously not worked for incompetent companies. I have. Or maybe you're one of the teenagers being paid to troll social media.
 
2020-09-21 7:01:01 PM  

whitroth: brizzle365: whitroth: p51d007: Well, of COURSE the answer is GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare, from the womb to the tomb!
What is needed is getting rid of PPO/HMO's which "lock" people into one or two healthcare providers
in their area.   Tort reform would also help by getting rid of the slip & fall lawsuits that plague the health
industry.  Why do you think they run such a battery of tests all the time?  Because they are afraid if they
miss something obscure, they will be sued.

But, at some point, I'm sure we will go with government healthcare, and, at that point, only the politicians,
and the wealthy will still receive good healthcare, the rest of us, not so much!

Are you one of the teenagers that are being paid to spread BS?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic​s/turning-point-teens-disinformation-t​rump/2020/09/15/c84091ae-f20a-11ea-b79​6-2dd09962649c_story.html

A lot of COMMERCIAL health plans lock you into some providers, and others are "out of network".

A federal plan would cover all doctors (the ones who want to practice medicine, not get rich by screwing the patients and the insurance co's). Unless you think that Medicaid or Medicare locks you into certain doctors.

You bs is just that, outright lies.

Medicare/Medicade locks you out from certain doctors and health care providers. The reason you ask? Because the gov is absolutely inept at everything they do, including things that they have been doing for decades and the private market wont fight them anymore, because they continue to get farked.

At least the VA got wise thanks to the orange terror, allowing vets to see their private doctors at VA expense.

Really? They lock you out? I've not heard this from my SO, any of my friends, or anyone else.

Absolutely inept? Really? So we didn't win WWII, or go to the Moon? How about the reason for "inept" is that PEOPLE LIKE YOU SUPPORT THE GOP, WHO UNDERFUND EVERYTHING (WHY AREN'T THERE ENOUGH IRS AUDITORS TO AUDIT ALL THE BILLIONAIRES, AND ALL THE BILLION ...


Many of the best doctors won't take it. Because of the overhead involved and the LOW payment rates.

Of course the AMA works hard to make sure regular folks CAN'T identify the 'best doctors'. There was data collected, identifying the doctors that other doctors take their families too. Got one printing (IIRC about 1990), then AMA landed on them with dozens of lawyers. SLAPP. Now so old as to be useless, even if you could find it.
 
2020-09-21 8:07:51 PM  

The knight who says EkiEkiPoontang: whitroth: brizzle365: whitroth: p51d007: Well, of COURSE the answer is GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare, from the womb to the tomb!
What is needed is getting rid of PPO/HMO's which "lock" people into one or two healthcare providers
in their area.   Tort reform would also help by getting rid of the slip & fall lawsuits that plague the health
industry.  Why do you think they run such a battery of tests all the time?  Because they are afraid if they
miss something obscure, they will be sued.

But, at some point, I'm sure we will go with government healthcare, and, at that point, only the politicians,
and the wealthy will still receive good healthcare, the rest of us, not so much!

Are you one of the teenagers that are being paid to spread BS?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politic​s/turning-point-teens-disinformation-t​rump/2020/09/15/c84091ae-f20a-11ea-b79​6-2dd09962649c_story.html

A lot of COMMERCIAL health plans lock you into some providers, and others are "out of network".

A federal plan would cover all doctors (the ones who want to practice medicine, not get rich by screwing the patients and the insurance co's). Unless you think that Medicaid or Medicare locks you into certain doctors.

You bs is just that, outright lies.

Medicare/Medicade locks you out from certain doctors and health care providers. The reason you ask? Because the gov is absolutely inept at everything they do, including things that they have been doing for decades and the private market wont fight them anymore, because they continue to get farked.

At least the VA got wise thanks to the orange terror, allowing vets to see their private doctors at VA expense.

Really? They lock you out? I've not heard this from my SO, any of my friends, or anyone else.

Absolutely inept? Really? So we didn't win WWII, or go to the Moon? How about the reason for "inept" is that PEOPLE LIKE YOU SUPPORT THE GOP, WHO UNDERFUND EVERYTHING (WHY AREN'T THERE ENOUGH IRS AUDITORS TO AUDIT ALL THE BILLIONAIRES, AND ALL T ...


And if everyone had it available, you really think they wouldn't take it? All of the doctors I've gone to for a long time take Medicare/Medicaid (that's before I was retired).
 
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