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2020-09-21 8:37:08 AM  
Nah it's ugly as shiat.
 
2020-09-21 8:42:33 AM  
So the fired cop is working with which new town, now?
 
2020-09-21 8:59:34 AM  
Ah, the Clayton County Sheriff's Office. Where the Sheriff shot a woman (not his wife) in a model home in another county a few years back. And still got reelected Sheriff.
 
2020-09-21 9:57:59 AM  

Unobtanium: Ah, the Clayton County Sheriff's Office. Where the Sheriff shot a woman (not his wife) in a model home in another county a few years back. And still got reelected Sheriff.


I believe they are of differing opinion of what a "model" home is than I.
 
2020-09-21 10:23:27 AM  
business as usual
 
2020-09-21 10:23:33 AM  
Mayor:  Democrat
County commissioners:  Majority Democrat.

But I wonder who the crowds are going to riot against.
 
2020-09-21 10:26:33 AM  
You never hear anyone cry "I can't breathe" in the Taco Bell restrooms. What gives?
 
2020-09-21 10:27:19 AM  

RussianPotato: Mayor:  Democrat
County commissioners:  Majority Democrat.

But I wonder who the crowds are going to riot against.


Hopefully people who post deliberately stupid things in threads like this.
 
2020-09-21 10:28:39 AM  
Another person resisting arrest and blaming everyone else for the obvious result. Sweet!
 
2020-09-21 10:32:11 AM  
on the up side the fact that he's still alive will ruin the day for trump cultist.
 
2020-09-21 10:33:04 AM  

stinkynuts: Another person resisting arrest and blaming everyone else for the obvious result. Sweet!


Indeed- and he already has two lawyers.....
 
2020-09-21 10:33:48 AM  

stinkynuts: Another person resisting arrest and blaming everyone else for the obvious result. Sweet!


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2020-09-21 10:33:55 AM  

Unobtanium: Ah, the Clayton County Sheriff's Office. Where the Sheriff shot a woman (not his wife) in a model home in another county a few years back. And still got reelected Sheriff.


Wow....aside from the shooting, he's just a complete POS.
 
2020-09-21 10:34:26 AM  
Well, he didn't die, so, uh?  progress?
 
2020-09-21 10:34:54 AM  

HypnozombieX: on the up side the fact that he's still alive will ruin the day for trump cultist.


And on the downside there's probably dozens of shewwifs lining up to hire this clown.
 
2020-09-21 10:35:53 AM  
Over a broken tail light and no seatbelt...
 
2020-09-21 10:36:27 AM  
ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.
 
2020-09-21 10:36:27 AM  
Another stupid white boy who can't handle anyone with dark skin challenging his authority.  Should have cited the drive for the tail light told Walker to buckle up, its the law, and left it at that.  But no, in his mind Walker got mouthy with him, and that was enough to set off a power trip and decide to assert his authority.  At least he was actually fired for this offense.  Its not much, but progress is progress.
 
2020-09-21 10:36:43 AM  

stinkynuts: Another person resisting arrest and blaming everyone else for the obvious result. Sweet!


This.

Saying "I can't breathe" hae also become part of the repertoire for people who flee or fight and are subject to use of force.  Even people standing up and in cuffs will say it.

That and the new trend of faking seizures makes me wonder why no one investigates such rampant theft of dignity.
 
2020-09-21 10:37:34 AM  

oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.


What if they don't provide ID or accept the ticket?
 
2020-09-21 10:38:21 AM  
pinned down and repeatedly punched by a white Georgia sheriff's deputy during a traffic stop

It's bad enough the ticket is $200, the hospital visit will be 10 times that.

Bastards.
 
2020-09-21 10:39:34 AM  

pedrop357: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.

What if they don't provide ID or accept the ticket?


run the plate and send it to the vehicle owner
 
2020-09-21 10:39:52 AM  

v2micca: Another stupid white boy who can't handle anyone with dark skin challenging his authority.  Should have cited the drive for the tail light told Walker to buckle up, its the law, and left it at that.  But no, in his mind Walker got mouthy with him, and that was enough to set off a power trip and decide to assert his authority.  At least he was actually fired for this offense.  Its not much, but progress is progress.


I'm a white man, and I have always understood that this is how talking to the police works. Unless they strike first by overstepping their authority, you're part of the de-escalation equation. You HAVE to treat police like they're looking for a reason to be pissed off, but you also have to know your rights on probable cause and stand firm on that. Talking shiat to a cop can quickly turn into probable cause for intoxication or whatever. It's not a fair balance of power, but it's how it works.

I've never been let off with just a warning, but I've also never been removed from the car. I guess that's a win?
 
2020-09-21 10:41:19 AM  

oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.



Feels like an obvious solution.  Have cops on traffic duty limited in the authority they possess.  But the end result is that the traffic cop will just have dispatch send out another cop with search and restrain authority.  So, now each traffic stop has a lot more cops involved, which probably isn't a good thing.
 
2020-09-21 10:42:16 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: You HAVE to treat police like they're looking for a reason to be pissed off


the fact that you can sit there and say this like its a "known" thing should tell you that the police are broken and need to be replaced
 
2020-09-21 10:46:52 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: v2micca: Another stupid white boy who can't handle anyone with dark skin challenging his authority.  Should have cited the drive for the tail light told Walker to buckle up, its the law, and left it at that.  But no, in his mind Walker got mouthy with him, and that was enough to set off a power trip and decide to assert his authority.  At least he was actually fired for this offense.  Its not much, but progress is progress.

I'm a white man, and I have always understood that this is how talking to the police works. Unless they strike first by overstepping their authority, you're part of the de-escalation equation. You HAVE to treat police like they're looking for a reason to be pissed off, but you also have to know your rights on probable cause and stand firm on that. Talking shiat to a cop can quickly turn into probable cause for intoxication or whatever. It's not a fair balance of power, but it's how it works.

I've never been let off with just a warning, but I've also never been removed from the car. I guess that's a win?


I'm also a white guy.  And when I get pulled over by a cop I can occasionally become agitated and frustrated by the situation, particularly if I'm having a bad day.  But, since I'm white, my agitation and frustration doesn't lead to my head getting caved in.  I guess I call that a win.
 
2020-09-21 10:48:26 AM  

v2micca: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.


Feels like an obvious solution.  Have cops on traffic duty limited in the authority they possess.  But the end result is that the traffic cop will just have dispatch send out another cop with search and restrain authority.  So, now each traffic stop has a lot more cops involved, which probably isn't a good thing.


which is solved in several ways.
1. the "traffic cops" are a completely different pool of people who do that as a full time job.  not regular cops who wear a traffic badge 1 day a week.
2. every time regular cops are called it is required that probably cause be documented and if theres no cause for them to be there then anything they find is legally not valid, the same as an illegal search.  challengable in court.
3. b/c you now have these new traffic cops doing all traffic things you reduce the police budget and staffing appropriately.  if, for some reason, traffic cops did try to call 'regular' cops to dozens of stops a day just to harass people then regular cops probably couldnt do it anyway, or couldnt get any other work done for sure to the point where it would be really noticeable.
 
2020-09-21 10:49:12 AM  

oopsboom: NikolaiFarkoff: You HAVE to treat police like they're looking for a reason to be pissed off

the fact that you can sit there and say this like its a "known" thing should tell you that the police are broken and need to be replaced


Well, there is that meme about how the way we tell people to behave when interacting with cops is the same advice we give to victims in a hostage situation.
 
2020-09-21 10:51:41 AM  

v2micca: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.


Feels like an obvious solution.  Have cops on traffic duty limited in the authority they possess.  But the end result is that the traffic cop will just have dispatch send out another cop with search and restrain authority.  So, now each traffic stop has a lot more cops involved, which probably isn't a good thing.


Agreed.  Studies have shown that the most destructive fires and largest insurance claims occur when there are more firefighters on the scene.  If we stop using so many firefighters for every fire, there would be less damages and insurance payouts.

more cops on the scene mean the chance of all the bodycams and dashcams failing is lower too.
 
2020-09-21 10:54:10 AM  

oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle? write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.


Because he refused to identify himself which is an arrestable offense.  FTA: "Walker refused to identify himself and fled when Riddick tried to handcuff him, the deputy wrote."

Then he tried to run (an arrestable offense), resisted arrest (an...well you know), and assaulted two police officers.  Clearly this is a civil rights case.

Stop defending lawbreakers you asshats.
 
2020-09-21 10:54:50 AM  
FTA: Walker, 26, was released on bond Thursday from the Fulton County jail in Atlanta. He was beaten and arrested after sheriff's deputies in neighboring Clayton County pulled over a Jeep Grand Cherokee he was riding in on Sept. 11, citing a broken taillight and a front-seat passenger not wearing a seatbelt, according to an incident report.

Why do minor traffic offenses escalate into arrests and beatings? Cite the driver for two wrongs; move on. Only begin investigating if one has reasonable suspicion someone is a suspect and/or has warrants. Assuming every black person is a criminal is stupid, bad policing and can lead to deadly consequences.
 
2020-09-21 10:56:18 AM  

oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.


this.
 
2020-09-21 10:56:43 AM  
Just let this shiat go, you're never going to be in the right with the public on this sort of thing. I don't know what the solution is. Bring in more officers and camp out. You're all getting paid. It's not like you're a truck driver who has to be to a loading dock on time.  Block the guy in and sit there getting OT till everything works out. He'll get sick of being in the car with the kids and hand you the ID and beg for a ticket, probably ask for cuffs and not have to spend anymore time with the nagging.
 
2020-09-21 10:57:10 AM  

oopsboom: v2micca: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.


Feels like an obvious solution.  Have cops on traffic duty limited in the authority they possess.  But the end result is that the traffic cop will just have dispatch send out another cop with search and restrain authority.  So, now each traffic stop has a lot more cops involved, which probably isn't a good thing.

which is solved in several ways.
1. the "traffic cops" are a completely different pool of people who do that as a full time job.  not regular cops who wear a traffic badge 1 day a week.
2. every time regular cops are called it is required that probably cause be documented and if theres no cause for them to be there then anything they find is legally not valid, the same as an illegal search.  challengable in court.
3. b/c you now have these new traffic cops doing all traffic things you reduce the police budget and staffing appropriately.  if, for some reason, traffic cops did try to call 'regular' cops to dozens of stops a day just to harass people then regular cops probably couldnt do it anyway, or couldnt get any other work done for sure to the point where it would be really noticeable.



1.  That means you have pool of cops treating the job as a stepping stone, or cops that consigned to traffic duty because they were screw-ups.  Think Campus Cops on steroids.

2.  Challenge-able in court doesn't mean much when the judge will just default to the cops.  Seriously, try to challenge a ticket in court.  If you don't have rock solid evidence, the judge will side with the cop over you every time.  People most affected by this behavior know the court is rigged against them.  They aren't going to bother.  So, it would be no deterrent to cops.

3.  And when you reduce police staffing an budget, watch bogus fines and civil forfeitures sky-rocket to make up the shortfall.  Traffic stops become a gold-mine at that point.
 
2020-09-21 10:57:32 AM  

AirForceVet: Cite the driver for two wrongs; move on.


Yes, make the citation out to "Cantankerous John Doe who Refused to Identify Himself."

That'll stick.
 
2020-09-21 10:57:51 AM  

Hyjamon: v2micca: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.


Feels like an obvious solution.  Have cops on traffic duty limited in the authority they possess.  But the end result is that the traffic cop will just have dispatch send out another cop with search and restrain authority.  So, now each traffic stop has a lot more cops involved, which probably isn't a good thing.

Agreed.  Studies have shown that the most destructive fires and largest insurance claims occur when there are more firefighters on the scene.  If we stop using so many firefighters for every fire, there would be less damages and insurance payouts.

more cops on the scene mean the chance of all the bodycams and dashcams failing is lower too.


calling more cops today is a bit like more arsonists than more firefighters

the thing about body/dash cams is right only b/c of incompetence being greater than corruption.  the failure rate on both is low.  the rate of cops turning them off or deleting recordings is staggeringly high.  there's been a hilarious number of recordings where a cop - in a group of cops - thought they turned their camera off and was asked "your camera off" "yea" and then they go back to the station and 5 of them report camera 'malfunctions' and the 6th one accidentally uploads a video of them all lying about it.
 
2020-09-21 10:59:25 AM  

AngryDragon: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle? write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.

Because he refused to identify himself which is an arrestable offense.  FTA: "Walker refused to identify himself and fled when Riddick tried to handcuff him, the deputy wrote."

Then he tried to run (an arrestable offense), resisted arrest (an...well you know), and assaulted two police officers.  Clearly this is a civil rights case.

Stop defending lawbreakers you asshats.


While I am no lawyer nor do not pretend any legal expertise, is it illegal to refuse to identify oneself to police?

I know it is illegal to give police incorrect/ false information during an investigation. However, one is not bound to testify against oneself, per the 5th Amendment.
 
2020-09-21 10:59:42 AM  

AirForceVet: Why do minor traffic offenses escalate into arrests and beatings?


Because police departments are full of low-IQ racists who get their rocks off by beating up minorities.
 
2020-09-21 11:00:13 AM  
Add "assaulting an officer and resisting arrest while Black" to the list... What a farked up country, right?
 
2020-09-21 11:01:35 AM  

oopsboom: NikolaiFarkoff: You HAVE to treat police like they're looking for a reason to be pissed off

the fact that you can sit there and say this like its a "known" thing should tell you that the police are broken and need to be replaced


Obviously. But most of society is broken, you just have to figure out what can be fixed and, in the meantime, how to navigate it all. I feel like this should be common sense, I spent the first half of my life trying to be a legalist, demanding that everything needs to be a certain way because of what's right, what's legal, what's fair...before realizing that as long as humans are in charge of all of these systems, you have to balance that with just accepting what you've got.

Being ridiculously Ned Flanders-nice to a cop never, ever hurts the situation.
 
2020-09-21 11:01:36 AM  
And it's a good thing we have law enforcement out there making sure people have working taillights and are wearing their seatbelts. They won't catch the their that stole all your stuff, but they're protecting and serving so, there's that.
 
2020-09-21 11:01:56 AM  

oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle?  write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.


Did you read the article?  He refused to identify himself and ran.
 
2020-09-21 11:02:22 AM  

AirForceVet: AngryDragon: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle? write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.

Because he refused to identify himself which is an arrestable offense.  FTA: "Walker refused to identify himself and fled when Riddick tried to handcuff him, the deputy wrote."

Then he tried to run (an arrestable offense), resisted arrest (an...well you know), and assaulted two police officers.  Clearly this is a civil rights case.

Stop defending lawbreakers you asshats.

While I am no lawyer nor do not pretend any legal expertise, is it illegal to refuse to identify oneself to police?

I know it is illegal to give police incorrect/ false information during an investigation. However, one is not bound to testify against oneself, per the 5th Amendment.


Refusing to identify  yourself when you're walking around is not a crime, except in one state I believe.

Driving is a privilege.

As part of that privilege you agree to identify yourself should an officer ever ask you to when you are driving.

If you refuse to identify yourself (and, you know, prove you can drive legally) then you have committed in a crime in almost every state.

It's the same implied consent that allows them to DUI test you.  If you refuse that's a crime, because you already consented to it as part of the privilege of driving.
 
2020-09-21 11:03:19 AM  

stinkynuts: Another person resisting arrest and blaming everyone else for the obvious result. Sweet!


If excessive force is fine as long as a person is defiant, then we should use excessive violent force on anyone refusing to wear facemasks during a pandemic.
 
2020-09-21 11:03:24 AM  

AirForceVet: While I am no lawyer nor do not pretend any legal expertise, is it illegal to refuse to identify oneself to police?


When driving in every state, you need to prove you have a valid license when asked on a legal stop. Passengers are another story, that varies state to state.
 
2020-09-21 11:04:03 AM  

AirForceVet: AngryDragon: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle? write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.

Because he refused to identify himself which is an arrestable offense.  FTA: "Walker refused to identify himself and fled when Riddick tried to handcuff him, the deputy wrote."

Then he tried to run (an arrestable offense), resisted arrest (an...well you know), and assaulted two police officers.  Clearly this is a civil rights case.

Stop defending lawbreakers you asshats.

While I am no lawyer nor do not pretend any legal expertise, is it illegal to refuse to identify oneself to police?

I know it is illegal to give police incorrect/ false information during an investigation. However, one is not bound to testify against oneself, per the 5th Amendment.


Laws vary, but if a cop stops you for breaking the law, you need to identify yourself.  If you refuse, cops can hold you until they know who you are.
 
2020-09-21 11:04:44 AM  

NikolaiFarkoff: I'm a white man, and I have always understood that this is how talking to the police works. Unless they strike first by overstepping their authority, you're part of the de-escalation equation. You HAVE to treat police like they're looking for a reason to be pissed off, but you also have to know your rights on probable cause and stand firm on that. Talking shiat to a cop can quickly turn into probable cause for intoxication or whatever. It's not a fair balance of power, but it's how it works.

I've never been let off with just a warning, but I've also never been removed from the car. I guess that's a win?


CSB Time! White guy here. Walking home from the train one night, I was stopped and searched by the police. I had just moved and hadn't gotten the new address sticker for my ID yet. The cop was about to roid rage and tear me a new arsehole over it. "IF YOU HAD CHANGED IT, YOU WOULDA GOTTEN THE STICKER" -hand on pistol, veins in his head throbbing. I had to step oh-so-carefully because this fecken' guy was just looking for a reason to pop off... over a sticker. When his partner ran my ID (again, for the crime of walking home from the train) of course it showed my new address. I seriously believe if the guy's partner hadn't been there or if I hadn't walked on eggshells, I would have been severely injured, permanently disfigured, or worse that night.
 
2020-09-21 11:04:46 AM  

AirForceVet: AngryDragon: oopsboom: ok, ill ask the obvious question...

he had a taillight out.  --which is already a sketchy as fark reason to pull someone over.  was the donut fund low?
and the passenger had a seatbelt violation.

why was anyone, at any point, removed from the vehicle? write your tickets and move the fark along officer.
another case where we need to separate police duties from traffic enforcement duties.  people making traffic stops should not have arrest powers, in fact they shouldnt even have a right to enter or search vehicles.

Because he refused to identify himself which is an arrestable offense.  FTA: "Walker refused to identify himself and fled when Riddick tried to handcuff him, the deputy wrote."

Then he tried to run (an arrestable offense), resisted arrest (an...well you know), and assaulted two police officers.  Clearly this is a civil rights case.

Stop defending lawbreakers you asshats.

While I am no lawyer nor do not pretend any legal expertise, is it illegal to refuse to identify oneself to police?

I know it is illegal to give police incorrect/ false information during an investigation. However, one is not bound to testify against oneself, per the 5th Amendment.


Yeah, pretty sure giving you name isn't the same as explaining you're the one who killed the hooker in the trunk. "I'm John Smith" isn't self incrimination.

If it was as simple as not giving your name then running away, the only arrests ever made going forward would be those too drunk to walk.
 
2020-09-21 11:05:12 AM  

RussianPotato: AirForceVet: Cite the driver for two wrongs; move on.

Yes, make the citation out to "Cantankerous John Doe who Refused to Identify Himself."

That'll stick.


The car is right there. I bet it has registration and fingerprints in it.
 
2020-09-21 11:05:29 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Laws vary, but if a cop stops you for breaking the law, you need to identify yourself.  If you refuse, cops can hold you until they know who you are.


This is also true for just walking around.  Unfortunately, but whatever.

In most of those states the cops have to have some articulable grounds for why they think you might be a suspect in some crime.  Other states, not.
 
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