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(The Week)   Yertle's smartest move would be to unexpectedly de-escalate the battle to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Might even save him from the turtle soup pot   (theweek.com) divider line
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2020-09-21 9:26:19 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Farkin_Crazy: Lumbar Puncture: Decorus: Mitch already knows they are losing the Senate.

And he did the math between losing temporary Senate seats and a lifetime Judge appointment

But he's not accounting for an expanded court if Dems win the Senate.

Biden isn't going to push for that. But he won't veto it if it gets dropped on his desk.

But realistically what're the odds of the Dems doing that? I'd love for it to happen, and for DC and PR to be officially considered states worthy of representation of their populations, but I wouldn't put money on it even in a best case scenario.


I don't know what the chances are.

But if the ACA and abortion are on the cutting block, they'd goddamn well better have plan for stopping it if possible. Or at least a favorable court when they take up both issues after they are discarded. And expanding the court would serve that purpose.
 
2020-09-21 9:26:49 AM  

Shaggy_C: Earguy: McConnell is heavily favored to retain his seat. A more realistic scenario is that the Ds win control of the Senate and Moscow Mitch becomes far less relevant.

Then he can go back to filibustering everything just like the Obama years. He's the most consequential politician in the last 20 years. I hate his politics, but damned if I'm not impressed by his success.


You would have been absolutely in awe of Hitler, up until he invaded Russia because he started to think divine providence was on his side and he couldn't lose, and subsequently stepped on his own dick and ate a bullet.
 
2020-09-21 9:28:30 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: In my opinion, the filibuster has stalled more good legislation that it has enabled bad.


It's also the only thing that kept Obamacare alive, so...cuts both ways.
 
2020-09-21 9:28:53 AM  
This is like writing the smart move for a suicide bomber would be to hide the bomb in an ambush and try to run away to bomb again tomorrow. I  mean, okay, sure, but yeah no.
 
2020-09-21 9:29:05 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: Lumbar Puncture: Farkin_Crazy: Lumbar Puncture: Decorus: Mitch already knows they are losing the Senate.

And he did the math between losing temporary Senate seats and a lifetime Judge appointment

But he's not accounting for an expanded court if Dems win the Senate.

Biden isn't going to push for that. But he won't veto it if it gets dropped on his desk.

But realistically what're the odds of the Dems doing that? I'd love for it to happen, and for DC and PR to be officially considered states worthy of representation of their populations, but I wouldn't put money on it even in a best case scenario.

I don't know what the chances are.

But if the ACA and abortion are on the cutting block, they'd goddamn well better have plan for stopping it if possible. Or at least a favorable court when they take up both issues after they are discarded. And expanding the court would serve that purpose.


Democrats don't care about abortion - they invited an anti-choice Republican to speak at the convention for a reason. And they don't really care about the ACA except the politics of it, that it's their one legislative accomplishment in decades.
 
2020-09-21 9:31:28 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: keldaria: Shaggy_C: Earguy: McConnell is heavily favored to retain his seat. A more realistic scenario is that the Ds win control of the Senate and Moscow Mitch becomes far less relevant.

Then he can go back to filibustering everything just like the Obama years. He's the most consequential politician in the last 20 years. I hate his politics, but damned if I'm not impressed by his success.

The filibuster isn't going to survive. The only reason it's not gone now is that is has no practical effect if democrats control the house while republicans control the senate.

In my opinion, the filibuster has stalled more good legislation that it has enabled bad.


In a rational world, the idea of needing 60% of a room to agree on something before enacting it means that the plan should be a good one. However the senate is not a rational place. It's filled with many "fark the common good, I don't want you to get anything" votes.

If votes were based on what's good for the country then we wouldn't be having this debate.
 
2020-09-21 9:31:51 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Can you imagine the shock if McConnell were to back off of his pledge to give a nominee a vote before the next president is inaugurated?

Mitch McConnell doing the right and decent thing would be very shocking at this point.  He has no decency or respect.


If he did it, it would not be out of decency or respect.
 
2020-09-21 9:31:51 AM  
It doesn't matter. Nothing matters. Trump is the Emperor and McConnell is his Viceroy. We're all going to die.

/Yes I have been drinking
//I know what time it is
///Threeses
 
2020-09-21 9:32:02 AM  
His reward for stacking SCOTUS in the conservative's favour is going to be way more than keeping the current batch if idiots elected.

This is a decades long appointment that will heavily lean republican for a long time and that's the prize, not the current election cycle.
 
2020-09-21 9:32:28 AM  
The system is broken. 

The government has failed to provide meaningful relief for it's citizens and just doesn't care. The fact we aren't facing societal collapse is insane. 

A one time payment of $1200. That's all the Republicans gave the country. And because we're surviving, they think this is acceptable.
 
2020-09-21 9:32:40 AM  

Alphax: He's not smart.. merely unrestrained by rules, laws, the Constitution, ethics, morals, virtues...


He's very smart.  During a time when people should be talking about Ginsberg, her influence, and her accomplishments, everyone is talking about Trump and McConnell.  They've successfully pushed the story of the success of feminism and how a strong woman can change the world from the media.

Would he like to appoint Trump's handmaid from Florida to the SCOTUS bench?  Sure, but at the very least he's obscured GInsberg's legacy at little to no cost to himself.  Kentucky republican's won't care about his hypocrisy, and democrats wouldn't vote for him anyhow.  If he can't get the votes in the senate to push trump's acolyte through, he'll just mumble something about democratic interference and running out of time.    He probably knows that getting everything together is a long shot this close to the election anyhow, but at least he's winning at controlling the narrative, something democrats let republicans get away with far too often.
 
2020-09-21 9:34:51 AM  
It would be smart if he cared about long-term respectability of the GOP.  But he doesn't, because he's spent the last 16 years burning that to the ground.  He knows there is a good chance that Trump goes down this cycle, cheating be damned.  He also knows there is an outside shot that the Republicans will lose the Senate this cycle, though that's less likely. The electoral long-game is less important that cementing a conservative SCOTUS majority for the next 30 or so years.
 
2020-09-21 9:35:41 AM  
Why? What, exactly, does McConnell have to fear? He's the most powerful man in America. There's nothing anyone can do to him, now or in the future, no punishment awaiting him, no life of exile or poverty, no higher power judging him. He's as close as any American has ever been to untouchable. The Democrats have zero power and even when he's not in charge of the Senate, he still seems to have all the power (I don't know quite how it works that no matter who is in charge, he's still calling the shots yet Democrats can't even slow him down jamming a new SCOTUS down our throats).

McConnell's smartest move is to keep doing whatever the fark he wants, however he wants, to whomever he wants. Who's gonna stop him? Who's gonna complain and to whom? What are they going to do in Kentucky? Vote him out? LOL. That's where stigginit was born and they love the way he does it.

Sorry article writer, but McConnell is the one guy who really can do whatever he wants and get away with it, and it seems that what he wants is to just run the train off the rails and watch it burn before he dies.
 
2020-09-21 9:35:51 AM  
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Especially if left unspoken is that a Supreme Court Justice supermajority can help retain his Senate Majority if they agree to hear cases contesting the 2020 results in enough states.
 
2020-09-21 9:37:39 AM  
Holding the seat open might be a good play if the presidential election is going to be close and you think that the Trumpist/fascist voters need extra motivation to turn out.

But if you you are going to lose regardless, you do everything you can (if you're Moscow Mitch, that is), to (1) lock in as much power as possible for the GOP; and (2) fark over the incoming Democratic administration.  It might backfire if the Democrats decide to pack the Court, but fark that.

It's apparent McConnell already thinks that Trump is going to lose.  He's going to try to ram it through.
 
2020-09-21 9:38:51 AM  

GanjSmokr: I didn't used to be one of those people who just wants to sit back and watch it all burn to ashes, but this year has changed me a bit.


Same.

It's over at this point, there is no coming back so might as well enjoy the show while you can.
 
2020-09-21 9:42:55 AM  

snowshovel: Pushing through a SCOTUS member right now: This will cause Democrats to come out and vote in droves, probably lose a lot of the suburban independent women over "fairness" that they have been actively courting. Republican voters probably don't change much...the sense of urgency is over as they "have finally won". Doing this basically signifies that Republicans think that Trump is toast no matter what he does, and they are going to willingly sacrifice him to the electoral gods.

Waiting on a SCOTUS member: Energizes the republican base ( and possibly even more so) just as much as Democrats, you probably win over more of the suburban women this way with a sense gracious sense of fairness. This make the election entirely about the Supreme Court, and every other single bad thing that Trump has done disappears for the next month. If Republicans think they can salvage Trump's re-election chances, this is the path you take.

Of course, the fly in the ointment is that Trump REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to do this now, because he has the impulse control of a toddler.


Correct, which is why I hope the hyper-derp faction of the Know Nothing Party forces through the most ultra reactionary POS with a law degree they can find.   Abortion totally outlawed.  All environmental laws scrapped.  All worker protections scrapped.   All laws guaranteeing access to health care scrapped.  All gun laws declared unconstitutional.    Not only will Trump lose, but it will make it nearly impossible for the GOP to regain control in Washington for decades.  Yes the damage done in the short term will be enormous, but in the long term we'll finally be rid of the GOP once and for all.
 
2020-09-21 9:43:21 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Can you imagine the shock if McConnell were to back off of his pledge to give a nominee a vote before the next president is inaugurated?

Mitch McConnell doing the right and decent thing would be very shocking at this point.  He has no decency or respect.


ANY re-publican doing the right thing these days is a shock.  The expectation is for them to be the corrupt, anti-Americans they've always been
 
hej
2020-09-21 9:46:08 AM  
Controlling the Supreme Court is the one thing he wants most.  I'm pretty sure he's willing to accept his own political loss as acceptable collateral damage in order to get it.
 
2020-09-21 9:50:02 AM  
Any plan that depends on Mitch "because I CAN so Fark you" McConnell being honorable or fair or patriotic is a plan not based in reality.

/vote the mofos out, that's reality
 
2020-09-21 9:50:03 AM  

keldaria: Farkin_Crazy: keldaria: Shaggy_C: Earguy: McConnell is heavily favored to retain his seat. A more realistic scenario is that the Ds win control of the Senate and Moscow Mitch becomes far less relevant.

Then he can go back to filibustering everything just like the Obama years. He's the most consequential politician in the last 20 years. I hate his politics, but damned if I'm not impressed by his success.

The filibuster isn't going to survive. The only reason it's not gone now is that is has no practical effect if democrats control the house while republicans control the senate.

In my opinion, the filibuster has stalled more good legislation that it has enabled bad.

In a rational world, the idea of needing 60% of a room to agree on something before enacting it means that the plan should be a good one. However the senate is not a rational place. It's filled with many "fark the common good, I don't want you to get anything" votes.

If votes were based on what's good for the country then we wouldn't be having this debate.


I think the issue is that some things need 60 votes while others need 51. If everything coming out of the Senate required 60 votes, things might change because horse trading would be needed to get those additional votes. Granted they could continue to do nothing, but if everything needed 60 votes they would be doing literally nothing and maybe voters would step in and demand changes or vote people out of office.

Who am I kidding, congress has a 10% percent approval rating and like a 90% reelection rate, its not my guy thats the problem is all of ass clowns the rest of you voted for. Unless you live in KY then its definitely your ass clown causing the problem.
 
2020-09-21 9:52:10 AM  

hej: Controlling the Supreme Court is the one thing he wants most.  I'm pretty sure he's willing to accept his own political loss as acceptable collateral damage in order to get it.


Which is why Biden needs to expand the court when he wins as a giant middle finger to Mitch and the republicans.
 
2020-09-21 10:02:32 AM  
It only looks like Mitch is putting party before country, but the two actually go hand in hand in this case. If Democrats are able to steal the election, at least we'll have another constitutionalist justice added.

Meanwhile, Collins and Murkowski are putting their own political future ahead of country or party.
 
2020-09-21 10:02:42 AM  

Horizon: Alphax: He's not smart.. merely unrestrained by rules, laws, the Constitution, ethics, morals, virtues...

I have to disagree, he's extremely intelligent. He acts deliberately with malice.


Pity we can't make sure he's fed some exceedingly greasy and unhealthy lettuce...
 
2020-09-21 10:03:54 AM  

Decorus: Mitch already knows they are losing the Senate.


We can hope, but it ain't over until all the ballots are counted. I wouldn't count on losing the senate until then.
 
2020-09-21 10:04:03 AM  
> Might even save him from the turtle soup potI believe McConnell's people refer to it as "borscht"
 
2020-09-21 10:14:47 AM  
 
2020-09-21 10:51:33 AM  
No. Whatever happens, that thing suffers horribly in a pain amplifier until it dies horribly.

The we re-animate it for the sole purpose of killing it as painfully as possible again. Over and over forever.

And that's the extra filled with kindness soft reward that Mcconnell deserves for his "life".

We'll get to the punishment when forever is over.
 
2020-09-21 10:55:51 AM  
What they lose the Senate Majority for two years? Big Deal.
 
2020-09-21 10:59:47 AM  

Devo: What they lose the Senate Majority for two years? Big Deal.


The court gets expanded and Puerto Rico becomes a state.
 
2020-09-21 11:00:46 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: Devo: What they lose the Senate Majority for two years? Big Deal.

The court gets expanded and Puerto Rico becomes a state.


Oh, and D.C. too.
 
2020-09-21 11:13:38 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: Farkin_Crazy: Devo: What they lose the Senate Majority for two years? Big Deal.

The court gets expanded and Puerto Rico becomes a state.

Oh, and D.C. too.


User name checks out.
 
2020-09-21 11:24:31 AM  

hej: Controlling the Supreme Court is the one thing he wants most.  I'm pretty sure he's willing to accept his own political loss as acceptable collateral damage in order to get it.


He's getting reelected regardless.

And it would be awesome to (1) see him in the minority in the Senate and (2) have the Democrats ram a bill to expand the SCOTUS down his throat.
 
2020-09-21 11:35:38 AM  

IndyJohn: He's getting reelected regardless.


Happy to break it to you, but when Trump wins, all those down-ballots go with him. Making the Senate a lock and the House in play.
 
2020-09-21 11:58:49 AM  
yertle won't back down unless it is clear he hasn't got the votes and nothing he can do will change that.
 
2020-09-21 12:00:14 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: IndyJohn: He's getting reelected regardless.

Happy to break it to you, but when Trump wins, all those down-ballots go with him. Making the Senate a lock and the House in play.


Ok Trumper
 
2020-09-21 12:09:03 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I wonder if the vulnerable R Senators are begging him behind closed doors to not push a nominee and cost them their slim reelection chances.


The optimal solution for McConnell is to be coy about confirming a new judge and allow the election to happen.  You get to add a motivating factor to your base for turnout.  You also add motivation to the Democrats, but if you confirm a justice before the election, the Democrats are extremely motivated anyway.  You also protect the vulnerable Senators by not forcing them to vote.

Then, confirm a new judge no matter what happens in the election in the lame duck session. If somehow Trump has won and the Republicans retain the Senate, no harm done.  If Republicans lose, they can still confirm a judge over the righteous anger of the country.  Influencing the court for the next 20-30 years is worth any political backlash they could experience.  Republicans have a more favorable Senate map in 2022 and most Americans have an attention span of two weeks, so they'll be able to spend the next two years helping them forget their betrayal.

The only real wild card to any of this analysis is the likelihood of Democrats indeed following through on the threat of packing the court.  But, I think you take that risk regardless.
 
2020-09-21 12:28:07 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: Lumbar Puncture: Farkin_Crazy: Lumbar Puncture: Decorus: Mitch already knows they are losing the Senate.

And he did the math between losing temporary Senate seats and a lifetime Judge appointment

But he's not accounting for an expanded court if Dems win the Senate.

Biden isn't going to push for that. But he won't veto it if it gets dropped on his desk.

But realistically what're the odds of the Dems doing that? I'd love for it to happen, and for DC and PR to be officially considered states worthy of representation of their populations, but I wouldn't put money on it even in a best case scenario.

I don't know what the chances are.

But if the ACA and abortion are on the cutting block, they'd goddamn well better have plan for stopping it if possible. Or at least a favorable court when they take up both issues after they are discarded. And expanding the court would serve that purpose.


If he shoves through Offred and then loses the Presidency...it wont matter much, because suddenly, like Kegbro and Gorsuch, she won't be beholden to him. She'll have Kagan and Sotomayor on her back instead, and they will make her tenure a living hell, to say nothing of Roberts.

Mitch is suddenly in a very unpleasing position.
 
2020-09-21 1:40:56 PM  

Shaggy_C: Then he can go back to filibustering everything just like the Obama years.


If the Democratic Party leadership had any spine at all they'd neuter Mitch by ending the filibuster, then reinstate it right before losing the senate in the future.
 
2020-09-21 2:35:56 PM  

InebriatedMuppetBuddhist: Shaggy_C: Then he can go back to filibustering everything just like the Obama years.

If the Democratic Party leadership had any spine at all they'd neuter Mitch by ending the filibuster, then reinstate it right before losing the senate in the future.


IIRC the senate sets the rules for each session in January after an election when the new congress sits. The "nuclear option" just requires a simple up/down vote and then the rule takes place. What you would see in this scenario is that every time the Senate flips between parties they ram through any and all legislation and our republic swings frenetically back and forth between "pro-Republican" and "pro-Democrat" laws, where one year tax rates are 30% and the next are 45%, where regulation comes and goes seemingly at whim, and people's benefits and entire livelihoods become dependent upon who takes power.

This is what happens in many democracies in the developing world, and ultimately leads to civil war scenarios as people see failure at the ballot box as a first step towards starvation.
 
2020-09-21 2:49:00 PM  

InebriatedMuppetBuddhist: Shaggy_C: Then he can go back to filibustering everything just like the Obama years.

If the Democratic Party leadership had any spine at all they'd neuter Mitch by ending the filibuster, then reinstate it right before losing the senate in the future.


If it were advantageous for republicans to do that, they most certainly would.
 
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