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(The Atlantic)   What the Republican senators are saying in private about the Supreme Court vacancy comes down to a choice between country and party. Let's hope they choose wisely   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2020-09-21 2:29:08 AM  
It's the GOP. They will not choose wisely. They will put themselves and their party before country every time.
 
2020-09-21 3:05:31 AM  
We're sitting here hoping Republican senators will do the right thing? farking hell.
 
2020-09-21 3:09:11 AM  

Boondock3806: We're sitting here hoping Republican senators will do the right thing? farking hell.


Keep in mind GOP stood for Nixon till it was CLEAR he committed a crime.
 
2020-09-21 3:12:58 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Boondock3806: We're sitting here hoping Republican senators will do the right thing? farking hell.

Keep in mind GOP stood for Nixon till it was CLEAR he committed a crime.


And to this day, they consider that a mistake and have demonstrated they won't repeat it. It's CLEAR this one commits crimes every day with his morning coffee, and they gave the green light, because he's their criminal.
 
2020-09-21 3:27:31 AM  
Republicans have decided that democracy is bad for business. All those rules and regulations getting in the way of power and profit are just too much of an inconvenience.

Every single one needs to be kicked out of office.
 
2020-09-21 3:42:21 AM  
Nearly every reporter in washington has experienced it: A Republican member of Congress says "off the record," shifts into a quieter voice, and expresses how much he or she doesn't like President Donald Trump

They're trying to continue being your pal while doing something that you find horrible.  And you keep falling for it
 
2020-09-21 4:18:36 AM  
Nope.
Not gonna happen. They are going to lose all of their NRA grift, so they can only be elected by party loyalty.

They will lose their jobs if they don't follow Mitch the Biatch.

Vote in person. Blue wave.
 
2020-09-21 4:22:45 AM  
No, it's not a question between country and party for them. For them, the party IS the country. They are indivisible, and this is why they view Democrats and outsiders as inhuman and beneath regard.

The question for them is if they can actually get away with it. No more, no less. That is, if they can stuff another justice in without paying an electoral pric .

That's their only calculation.
 
2020-09-21 4:24:27 AM  
You'd need 4 (3 if the vote is held after Arizona's special election and Kelly wins) Republicans to join any Democratic filibuster.  Murkowski has gone on record saying she's against confirming anyone before the election so that's one.  Gardner and Collins are in serious trouble in their races and might join as a last ditch Hail Mary to save their seats.  Romney might chose to do the right thing or not, depending on his algorithm.
 
2020-09-21 4:24:46 AM  
They made that choice a long time ago.
 
2020-09-21 4:28:46 AM  

Boondock3806: We're sitting here hoping Republican senators will do the right thing? farking hell.


Yeah and why won't they do the right thing and all resign so democrats can be in charge? Damn those republicans for getting elected then performing the ordinary duties of government ha ha
 
2020-09-21 4:29:40 AM  
If they put country before party, they wouldn't be Republicans.

There is a story here about keeping cats indoors because they kill birds. It is a problem but for the cats, it's part of their nature; they don't better. For Republicans though, admitting in private what is happening is wrong but publicly going along with that wrongdoing means they are evil.
 
2020-09-21 4:31:13 AM  
They haven't chosen country yet. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to change.
 
2020-09-21 4:31:57 AM  
This is the GOP we're talking about. A few of the congresscritters are decent, but remember that Trump has an 85+% approval within the party. The vast majority of those people aren't concerned about if Trump is a good person, they are concerned about if he is hurting the people they want him to hurt.
 
2020-09-21 4:34:32 AM  

Snapper Carr: Murkowski has gone on record saying she's against confirming anyone before the election so that's one.


That's the operative part of their statement. They are going to wait until the lame duck period then slam through a confirmation hearing and vote.
 
2020-09-21 4:37:57 AM  

Klyukva: Boondock3806: We're sitting here hoping Republican senators will do the right thing? farking hell.

Yeah and why won't they do the right thing and all resign so democrats can be in charge? Damn those republicans for getting elected then performing the ordinary duties of government ha ha


The ordinary duty of our government was to remove trump at impeachment when there was copious amounts of evidence he had colluded with foreign nationals.  That's the duty. Not covering it up, refusing to allow relevant testimony or anything else they've done these past 4 years to suck trumps cock. There is government and country and there's politics.  They are separate things. You've gotten them confused.
 
2020-09-21 4:39:24 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: No, it's not a question between country and party for them. For them, the party IS the country. They are indivisible, and this is why they view Democrats and outsiders as inhuman and beneath regard.

The question for them is if they can actually get away with it. No more, no less. That is, if they can stuff another justice in without paying an electoral pric .

That's their only calculation.


Try this calculation on for size.

Control of SCOTUS for a generation vs. the GOP losing big in 2020, then sweeping in on the opposition party Midterm wave. 4-8 years of a Dem president, they again seize power because the electorate is over whatever the GOP did and is now irritated that the current Dem president didn't get anything done because of GOP obstruction.

Especially given that a lot of the GOP senate are old and won't be around in politics much longer, going for the grand prize will look pretty sweet.

I know the GOP are bad at long term planning, but the electorate sure as shiat have no memories. And republicans sure do love to do things to spite liberals even if it shoots themselves in the foot, and locking SCOTUS up sure would stick it to the libs.

But ultimately? They'll do it because they can.
 
2020-09-21 4:42:23 AM  
Given the choice between basically anything and The Party, the GOP will choose Party every single time.

They would trade Family for Party. They will happily trade Country for Party. Many are even willing to throw themselves on various sacrificial alters for The Party, if it demanded their careers, or their freedom or their wealth. There is nothing, they are not willing to give up, if it means The Party can acquire more power.

They are a cult. They will do cult things.
 
2020-09-21 4:42:56 AM  
I am all but convinced that if Trump wins the EC but not the popular vote, there will be a tax revolt in all the deep blue states. No taxation without representation will become a clarion call.
 
2020-09-21 5:00:09 AM  

HerptheDerp: Given the choice between basically anything and The Party, the GOP will choose Party every single time.

They would trade Family for Party. They will happily trade Country for Party. Many are even willing to throw themselves on various sacrificial alters for The Party, if it demanded their careers, or their freedom or their wealth. There is nothing, they are not willing to give up, if it means The Party can acquire more power.

They are a cult. They will do cult things.


Yeah.

Even the so-called conservative heroes *cough LincolnProject cough* are party first, last, and only. Those particular groups just want a similar leader, but one who does NOT say the quiet part out loud, while smearing animal feces under his arms and trying to grope his child.
 
2020-09-21 5:04:57 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Boondock3806: We're sitting here hoping Republican senators will do the right thing? farking hell.

Keep in mind GOP stood for Nixon till it was CLEAR he committed a crime.


It's clear trump has committed many crimes. They don't care as long as he is useful.
 
2020-09-21 5:19:00 AM  
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One of these days we'll figure out this game.
 
2020-09-21 5:20:09 AM  

Befuddled: If they put country before party, they wouldn't be Republicans.

There is a story here about keeping cats indoors because they kill birds. It is a problem but for the cats, it's part of their nature; they don't better. For Republicans though, admitting in private what is happening is wrong but publicly going along with that wrongdoing means they are evil.


I believe the world would be a much better place without cats or republicans
 
2020-09-21 5:25:18 AM  
Spoiler: they won't. The past 45 years of conservative politics in this country have been based on two things: loosening corporate regulations and overturning Roe. You think they're going to stop now?
 
2020-09-21 5:27:32 AM  

havocmike: Spoiler: they won't. The past 45 years of conservative politics in this country have been based on two things: loosening corporate regulations and overturning Roe. You think they're going to stop now?


The corporatists and the 1% could not give a shiat about abortion.  they know they can keep using the evangelical single-issue voters like the useful fools they are to achieve the conservative agenda.
 
2020-09-21 5:32:47 AM  

AquaTatanka: havocmike: Spoiler: they won't. The past 45 years of conservative politics in this country have been based on two things: loosening corporate regulations and overturning Roe. You think they're going to stop now?

The corporatists and the 1% could not give a shiat about abortion.  they know they can keep using the evangelical single-issue voters like the useful fools they are to achieve the conservative agenda.


Secondary thought on this:

Part of the reason evengelicals so willingly embraced trump was that they are already used to being lied to by their pastors and preachers.   They've learned to love being conned as long  As they think they are getting their way and controlling the godless heathens that disagree with them.
 
2020-09-21 5:34:33 AM  

AquaTatanka: havocmike: Spoiler: they won't. The past 45 years of conservative politics in this country have been based on two things: loosening corporate regulations and overturning Roe. You think they're going to stop now?

The corporatists and the 1% could not give a shiat about abortion.  they know they can keep using the evangelical single-issue voters like the useful fools they are to achieve the conservative agenda.


I think 10 years ago you were right, but it seems like the true believers mostly took over the legislative arm of the party during the tea party thing in 2010, especially on a state level. Four or five state legislatures this year passed bills they outwardly admitted were trojans horses specifically written to bring down Roe upon appeal of the inevitable lawsuits.
 
2020-09-21 5:43:08 AM  
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2020-09-21 5:53:45 AM  

1funguy: Nope.
Not gonna happen. They are going to lose all of their NRA grift, so they can only be elected by party loyalty.

They will lose their jobs if they don't follow Mitch the Biatch.

Vote in person. Blue wave.


What NRA grift?  Maybe as little as a year ago, but now it's virtually gone.  They no longer have any more pull.  It's just that the idiot voters don't know it yet.
 
2020-09-21 6:07:40 AM  
Senate Republicans are going to choose Party over country of course. The only difference is the public rationalization: "golly, we didn't want to choose party over country this time. Honest, it's just that the communist antifa Democrats are even worse than the Christian fascists on our team. That's all it is. The Democrats made us choose party over country, again, just like the last 50 times."
 
2020-09-21 6:15:21 AM  
Let's also hope that Trump appoints Garland while we're at it, subby.
 
2020-09-21 6:15:46 AM  

AquaTatanka: Darth_Lukecash: Boondock3806: We're sitting here hoping Republican senators will do the right thing? farking hell.

Keep in mind GOP stood for Nixon till it was CLEAR he committed a crime.

It's clear trump has committed many crimes. They don't care as long as he is useful.


And getting judges through, including SCOTUS Justices is what they wanted most

If you're counting on Republicans to "choose wisely", get ready to be let down
 
2020-09-21 6:28:40 AM  

Dave The Slushy: I am all but convinced that if Trump wins the EC but not the popular vote, there will be a tax revolt in all the deep blue states. No taxation without representation will become a clarion call.


You think "no taxation without representation" means "only people I approve of are allowed to hold office"?
 
2020-09-21 6:30:06 AM  

Gordon Bennett: They haven't chosen country yet. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to change.


Oh, They've chosen a country all right. It's just not the United States of America.

They've chosen a new country, Freedonia. It's illegal to be a Democrat there. Also there's a 0% income tax rate, no public schools, and women have three options, If you're born pretty you can be a FOX news anchor, if you're okay looking you can be a politician's call girl or mistress, and the rest are all brood mares.
 
2020-09-21 6:37:03 AM  

qorkfiend: Dave The Slushy: I am all but convinced that if Trump wins the EC but not the popular vote, there will be a tax revolt in all the deep blue states. No taxation without representation will become a clarion call.

You think "no taxation without representation" means "only people I approve of are allowed to hold office"?


Republicans certainly do not represent us.  They HATE us.
 
2020-09-21 6:43:38 AM  

G-Ride: It's the GOP. They will not choose wisely. They will put themselves and their party before country every time.


how can they put party before country when they believe their party is the country.
 
2020-09-21 6:45:04 AM  
McConnell will gladly trade 2 or four years of being minority leader for a solid decade of a Supreme Court majority.
 
2020-09-21 6:53:47 AM  

AquaTatanka: AquaTatanka: havocmike: Spoiler: they won't. The past 45 years of conservative politics in this country have been based on two things: loosening corporate regulations and overturning Roe. You think they're going to stop now?

The corporatists and the 1% could not give a shiat about abortion.  they know they can keep using the evangelical single-issue voters like the useful fools they are to achieve the conservative agenda.

Secondary thought on this:

Part of the reason evengelicals so willingly embraced trump was that they are already used to being lied to by their pastors and preachers.   They've learned to love being conned as long  As they think they are getting their way and controlling the godless heathens that disagree with them.


They love it because it absolves them of the responsibility of being hateful. They're only following jesus'orders as relayed by their appointed leader who is in personal touch with god, therefore what they do is confirmed godly. No matter how many suffer, evangelicals can cheerfully wash their hands of responsibility.

it doesn't hurt that they also enjoy making others suffer. It's all a very convenient package.
 
2020-09-21 7:04:20 AM  
then performing the ordinary duties of government

liar
 
2020-09-21 7:23:19 AM  

vygramul: Let's also hope that Trump appoints Garland while we're at it, subby.


Trump appointing Garland is still a win for the Republicans.  He was selected as a centrist olive branch for them by Obama after losing a stark conservative on the bench.  Putting him up keeps the balance in their favour RBG being left of Garland), eliminates any critcism of not bringing him up for vote in 2016, and appears magnanimous to any of their supporters that still have a conscience and were wavering between not voting or voting Biden.

They won't do it, because they see this as a game of Risk and are going to try and crush their enemies as hard as they can.  Most of them will be dead when the bill comes due and the left retaliates.
 
2020-09-21 7:24:49 AM  

G-Ride: It's the GOP. They will not choose wisely. They will put themselves and their party before country every time.


This is our one chance at something reasonable happening. That a few senators will put themselves and their own reelection chances before the party. That their self interest and the country's interest align won't even cross their minds.

We need riots in the streets in swing states.
 
2020-09-21 7:25:23 AM  
They have already abdicated their Oath and Duty to the Constitution and the People. They willfully chose to save face for Party affiliation over allowing factual evidence during the Impeachment. This was a concerted effort to discredit Constitutional duties. The GOP does not care about law and order, they care about nothing as long as they can prevent prosecution of themselves. Elected Entitlement Syndrome, this is their precedent for their Party, "not us them".
 
2020-09-21 7:30:23 AM  

RogueWallEnthusiast: vygramul: Let's also hope that Trump appoints Garland while we're at it, subby.

Trump appointing Garland is still a win for the Republicans.  He was selected as a centrist olive branch for them by Obama after losing a stark conservative on the bench.  Putting him up keeps the balance in their favour RBG being left of Garland), eliminates any critcism of not bringing him up for vote in 2016, and appears magnanimous to any of their supporters that still have a conscience and were wavering between not voting or voting Biden.

They won't do it, because they see this as a game of Risk and are going to try and crush their enemies as hard as they can.  Most of them will be dead when the bill comes due and the left retaliates.


I was thinking that appointing Garland would be a fantastic strategy because it would make them seem reasonable and would "put right" their egregious sin - or at least seem to. It would certainly neuter the complaints. 

It would still be unfair as they gained 4 years of rulings more conservative than they should have been. 

However, they're not playing this game for the long term. I think they all see ALL the long term trends (demographics, environmental) are existential threats (to white supremacy and environmentally agnostic capitalism) and so what they're really fighting for is the status quo as long as humanly possible before it all comes crashing down, and any retreat brings that end forward.

In short, appointing Garland is brilliant but can't happen once one understands their motivations, regardless of how the outcomes play out in the next decade. They're looking at 2100 and are no longer playing for anyone other than themselves. Their kids are farked anyway.
 
2020-09-21 7:50:04 AM  
It's more crass than that. It's about power. Getting as much as you can, hanging onto it, and wielding it. Using power to get more and keep it.

Party and country are subservient to power.
 
2020-09-21 7:57:07 AM  
What, the "Unlikely" tag was away on vacation?
 
2020-09-21 8:23:35 AM  

vygramul: However, they're not playing this game for the long term.


In their minds they are playing for the long term. It's just that their idea of "long term" is perhaps a few more decades at most before Jesus comes back and slaughters everyone who doesn't believe in forced birth, guns, and tax cuts.  The end game for the religious right isn't control of the courts, it's Armageddon.
 
2020-09-21 8:48:50 AM  
There really is no point listening to any arguments made by the GOP.  They are all lies.
 
2020-09-21 8:50:06 AM  

qorkfiend: Dave The Slushy: I am all but convinced that if Trump wins the EC but not the popular vote, there will be a tax revolt in all the deep blue states. No taxation without representation will become a clarion call.

You think "no taxation without representation" means "only people I approve of are allowed to hold office"?


You think the people who pay the most tax will stand for this continued undemocratic horseshiat designed from the get go to appease "rural" states?
 
2020-09-21 8:52:02 AM  

Snapper Carr: You'd need 4 (3 if the vote is held after Arizona's special election and Kelly wins) Republicans to join any Democratic filibuster.  Murkowski has gone on record saying she's against confirming anyone before the election so that's one.  Gardner and Collins are in serious trouble in their races and might join as a last ditch Hail Mary to save their seats.  Romney might chose to do the right thing or not, depending on his algorithm.


Most likely, the vote will be after the election, because outgoing Republicans will have nothing to left to lose and everything to gain as lobbyists.
 
2020-09-21 9:02:07 AM  

vygramul: Garland is brilliant


Trump could never bring himself to troll like that.  He's too stupid to see the beauty of it.
 
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