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2020-09-21 1:20:30 AM  
Did they have any in the last 30-40 years?
 
2020-09-21 1:45:28 AM  
Left? That ended the moment they adopted the southern strategy.
 
2020-09-21 2:19:47 AM  
They have sadism and malice.. also known as stigginit.
 
2020-09-21 3:56:37 AM  
They haven't had principles since the Eisenhower administration.
 
2020-09-21 5:59:41 AM  
Is "win at all costs" a principal?
 
2020-09-21 6:01:15 AM  
This thread doesn't need to get any longer.
 
2020-09-21 6:04:40 AM  
Republicans are salivating over the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade.

Women becoming second-class citizens again is what MAGA is all about.
 
2020-09-21 6:06:14 AM  
Actually, they only have one principle, and they never deviate from it:

"Look out for number one."

/apologies to Bill Watterson
 
2020-09-21 6:06:18 AM  
The GOP is the party of scared white people who squandered the advantages the greatest generation gave them and now, like a drowning victim, is reaching for anything to try and prop themselves up. The problem is this fear and anger do not lead to logical or reasonable actions or candidates.

Even the most moderate republicans like Collins have had to sell themselves to stay politically viable.
 
2020-09-21 6:07:37 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Actually, they only have one principle, and they never deviate from it:

"Look out for number one."

/apologies to Bill Watterson


They're willing to sicken and even kill their own people if it means hurting other people, too.
 
2020-09-21 6:07:46 AM  
Anyone who is surprised by McConnell's response hasn't been paying attention.

I hope he has a heart attack and dies, alone and in pain. The world will be a better place for his passing.
 
2020-09-21 6:08:14 AM  
Sure they do.

Powerful and continuing Nationalism
Disdain for Human Rights
Identification of Enemies as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government intertwined
Corporate Power Protected
Labor Power Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Law and Order
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections
 
2020-09-21 6:09:50 AM  

palelizard: Anyone who is surprised by McConnell's response hasn't been paying attention.

I hope he has a heart attack and dies, alone and in pain. The world will be a better place for his passing.


A heart attack is too quick. He needs stage IV bowel cancer.
 
2020-09-21 6:12:07 AM  

vernonFL: Sure they do.

Powerful and continuing Nationalism
Disdain for Human Rights
Identification of Enemies as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government intertwined
Corporate Power Protected
Labor Power Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Law and Order
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections


this means something...

PDISRCORCLDORF


I'll figure it out.
 
2020-09-21 6:14:54 AM  
They think they will select a conservative judge but usually turns out liberal.
 
2020-09-21 6:15:17 AM  

I want that sauce Morty!: palelizard: Anyone who is surprised by McConnell's response hasn't been paying attention.

I hope he has a heart attack and dies, alone and in pain. The world will be a better place for his passing.

A heart attack is too quick. He needs stage IV bowel cancer.


Nah, slow gives him time to exploit his cancer for political gain. Quick and embarrassing would be better. Like fatal explosive diarrhea on the Senate floor from chronic viagra abuse
 
2020-09-21 6:17:38 AM  

Gordon Bennett: They haven't had principles since the Eisenhower administration.


My Eisenhower Republican grandfather's grave broke my tachometer last time I went to the cemetery.
 
2020-09-21 6:22:07 AM  
Hands were extended and then slapped back. Ways were half met with them stepping further back. The Republican Party is nothing but liars, con men, and crooks of all colors in the shade of white. Best to burn it to the ground at this point. There's nothing left worth saving.
 
2020-09-21 6:23:05 AM  
"... Because there is no wrong, there is no right
And I sleep very well at night
No shame, no solution
No remorse, no retribution
Just people selling t-shirts
Just opportunity to participate in this pathetic little circus
And winning, winning, winning"
 
2020-09-21 6:25:38 AM  

Nimbull: Hands were extended and then slapped back. Ways were half met with them stepping further back. The Republican Party is nothing but liars, con men, and crooks of all colors in the shade of white. Best to burn it to the ground at this point. There's nothing left worth saving.


What does "burn it to the ground" look like?
 
2020-09-21 6:25:56 AM  
I do wonder if Trump's October surprise is news of Clarence Thomas' retirement, to drive GOP turnout to the polls to replace a conservative judge with another one, just to benefit Trump. 

Personally I think that's why the list of candidates was released a couple of weeks ago, not because they knew RBG was in poor health... no way they knew for sure if they could name her successor, but a planned retirement would - after all, why release a list of SC candidates unless you knew for a fact you would get to nominate one?

I do wonder if replacing Thomas was always the plan... and RBG's passing away is just a bonus to them.
 
2020-09-21 6:27:28 AM  

AquaTatanka: vernonFL: Sure they do.

Powerful and continuing Nationalism
Disdain for Human Rights
Identification of Enemies as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government intertwined
Corporate Power Protected
Labor Power Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Law and Order
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections

this means something...

PDISRCORCLDORF


I'll figure it out.


You're reading it wrong. Clearly it's PNDHRIESMRSCMMONSRGCPPLPSDIAOLORCCFE
Now it should make sense.
 
2020-09-21 6:30:02 AM  

neofonz: I do wonder if Trump's October surprise is news of Clarence Thomas' retirement, to drive GOP turnout to the polls to replace a conservative judge with another one, just to benefit Trump. 

Personally I think that's why the list of candidates was released a couple of weeks ago, not because they knew RBG was in poor health... no way they knew for sure if they could name her successor, but a planned retirement would - after all, why release a list of SC candidates unless you knew for a fact you would get to nominate one?

I do wonder if replacing Thomas was always the plan... and RBG's passing away is just a bonus to them.


You think there'll be zero vacancies on the court between 2020 and 2024?
 
2020-09-21 6:41:44 AM  

AquaTatanka: vernonFL: Sure they do.

Powerful and continuing Nationalism
Disdain for Human Rights
Identification of Enemies as a unifying cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government intertwined
Corporate Power Protected
Labor Power Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Law and Order
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections

this means something...

PDISRCORCLDORF


I'll figure it out.


Message received. I will Pee, then DisRancor and add some Chlorine for DORF. When I'm done, he'll be able to hit the green with a 9-iron, putt once, and then happily go home to a swimming pool that's Rancor-free.
 
2020-09-21 6:43:02 AM  
I guess all their principles caught sayof.

\if I don't laugh, I'll drive my car through the next T***t*rd rally I see
 
2020-09-21 6:45:33 AM  

AkaDad: Republicans are salivating over the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade.

Women becoming second-class citizens again is what MAGA is all about.


While I agree with the overall gist of your comment, I don't think they actually want to overturn Roe v Wade because it takes away their biggest campaign issue. If abortion goes away, what do they have left? Tax cuts for the 1% and bullshiat about the Second Amendment? Nah, instead they'll keep dangling that carrot in front of their idiot base who will never quite grasp despite them having the votes and the courts to overturn RvW, it never happens. This way they keep the evangelical vote and the single issue voters.

And with those assholes on board, they'll start us on the road to Gilead.
 
2020-09-21 6:46:47 AM  
They have pretty clear principles from where I view the situation (ie across the Pacific). They oppose progressives wherever they can. They threaten basic liberal freedoms ostensibly for "moral" reasons but utilise every immoral tactic they can in their cause. They are leading the charge of selling America out to corporate interests as fast as possible. They will accept high-paid lobbying jobs in the shadiest of causes.

And frankly, they could yet be right. The age of American exceptionalism is not only over, it's a good fifty years gone when it comes to small-minded governments running policy agendas which favour the few and punish the majority (including many of their own voters). Why not sell out for what you can get? If America in fifty years looks like, say, Argentina or Brazil today then why wait to get out?

Trump has undone in four years far more than Obama could build in eight. It will take generations of administrations committed to education, productivity increases, rewarding workers with real wage increases for producitivity increases and sensible taxation policies which fund programs which deliver these results to actually make America great again. And history tells us American voters won't stand for it.
 
2020-09-21 6:47:38 AM  
Betsy DeVos must be doing even worse than I thought if all school leaders have abandoned the Republican Party. I would have thought some of them were law and order types.

Oh...principles not principals. What? Is this article an evergreen rerun from 2001? One would think lying to the UN to start the Iraq War would have been the line in the sand.
 
2020-09-21 6:48:02 AM  

ntropy2012: AkaDad: Republicans are salivating over the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade.

Women becoming second-class citizens again is what MAGA is all about.

While I agree with the overall gist of your comment, I don't think they actually want to overturn Roe v Wade because it takes away their biggest campaign issue. If abortion goes away, what do they have left? Tax cuts for the 1% and bullshiat about the Second Amendment? Nah, instead they'll keep dangling that carrot in front of their idiot base who will never quite grasp despite them having the votes and the courts to overturn RvW, it never happens. This way they keep the evangelical vote and the single issue voters.

And with those assholes on board, they'll start us on the road to Gilead.


They only decided that abortion was bad, because they realized that segregation wasn't popular anymore.  But they seem to be returning to that, too... or at least Donnie is all by himself.
 
2020-09-21 6:52:22 AM  

ntropy2012: If abortion goes away, what do they have left? T


More hysterectomies.
 
2020-09-21 6:53:36 AM  

Alphax: Pants full of macaroni!!: Actually, they only have one principle, and they never deviate from it:

"Look out for number one."

/apologies to Bill Watterson

They're willing to sicken and even kill their own people if it means hurting other people, too.


They donate money to the NRA, Bannon, and Trump and then when it's revealed those guys are just stealing their money, they donate more money. They want to hurt other people so badly they will hurt themselves trying to preserve a fantasy about hurting others.
 
2020-09-21 6:54:26 AM  
Twenty-nine times in American history there has been an open Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential election year, or in a lame-duck session before the next presidential inauguration.

The president made a nomination in all twenty-nine cases.
 
2020-09-21 6:54:46 AM  

ntropy2012: AkaDad: Republicans are salivating over the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade.

Women becoming second-class citizens again is what MAGA is all about.

While I agree with the overall gist of your comment, I don't think they actually want to overturn Roe v Wade because it takes away their biggest campaign issue. If abortion goes away, what do they have left? Tax cuts for the 1% and bullshiat about the Second Amendment? Nah, instead they'll keep dangling that carrot in front of their idiot base who will never quite grasp despite them having the votes and the courts to overturn RvW, it never happens. This way they keep the evangelical vote and the single issue voters.

And with those assholes on board, they'll start us on the road to Gilead.


The Republican end game envisions a country without meaningful elections. Once they've sufficiently rigged another Presidential election or two they've sealed the deal and the will of the people means nothing. They no longer need decisive issues like abortion to keep their followers in line at the voting booths.
 
2020-09-21 6:54:54 AM  

qorkfiend: neofonz: I do wonder if Trump's October surprise is news of Clarence Thomas' retirement, to drive GOP turnout to the polls to replace a conservative judge with another one, just to benefit Trump. 

Personally I think that's why the list of candidates was released a couple of weeks ago, not because they knew RBG was in poor health... no way they knew for sure if they could name her successor, but a planned retirement would - after all, why release a list of SC candidates unless you knew for a fact you would get to nominate one?

I do wonder if replacing Thomas was always the plan... and RBG's passing away is just a bonus to them.

You think there'll be zero vacancies on the court between 2020 and 2024?


Guaranteed vacancies? No.
If you're looking to pack the court however, a planned succession that guarantees (or increases) the balance may make sense.
 
2020-09-21 6:57:18 AM  

notto: ntropy2012: If abortion goes away, what do they have left? T

More hysterectomies.


Fair point there (and a sad, awful indication of how far we've fallen, again, as a nation).
 
2020-09-21 6:58:21 AM  

Erebus1954: Twenty-nine times in American history there has been an open Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential election year, or in a lame-duck session before the next presidential inauguration.

The president made a nomination in all twenty-nine cases.


How many cases did the Senate refuse to even consider the nomination?
 
2020-09-21 6:58:57 AM  

Alphax: ntropy2012: AkaDad: Republicans are salivating over the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade.

Women becoming second-class citizens again is what MAGA is all about.

While I agree with the overall gist of your comment, I don't think they actually want to overturn Roe v Wade because it takes away their biggest campaign issue. If abortion goes away, what do they have left? Tax cuts for the 1% and bullshiat about the Second Amendment? Nah, instead they'll keep dangling that carrot in front of their idiot base who will never quite grasp despite them having the votes and the courts to overturn RvW, it never happens. This way they keep the evangelical vote and the single issue voters.

And with those assholes on board, they'll start us on the road to Gilead.

They only decided that abortion was bad, because they realized that segregation wasn't popular anymore.  But they seem to be returning to that, too... or at least Donnie is all by himself.


I hope I'm not proven wrong one day soon but I sincerely believe they won't overturn Roe vs Wade. It's the "battle" which keeps on delivering them the votes they want, they literally can't afford to actually win it. That would be years of hard work straight out the window.

They can't afford to lose all the illegal immigrants because they are so productive in the agricultural sector. They can't afford to lose gay people from the military. They can't afford the outcomes of actually banning abortion, nor would actually banning abortion correlate to their racial prejudices and desires for America to remain majority white, in fact it's only something they adopted to win over Catholics to the "moral majority" Republican vote (it's true, Protestants around the world generally accept that life begins at birth and southern baptists accepted this as recently as fifty years ago).

So instead they just doom us all to dragging this shiat out forever and a day .... to stig it to liberals and for no other reason.
 
2020-09-21 7:02:15 AM  

ntropy2012: AkaDad: Republicans are salivating over the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade.

Women becoming second-class citizens again is what MAGA is all about.

While I agree with the overall gist of your comment, I don't think they actually want to overturn Roe v Wade because it takes away their biggest campaign issue. If abortion goes away, what do they have left? Tax cuts for the 1% and bullshiat about the Second Amendment? Nah, instead they'll keep dangling that carrot in front of their idiot base who will never quite grasp despite them having the votes and the courts to overturn RvW, it never happens. This way they keep the evangelical vote and the single issue voters.

And with those assholes on board, they'll start us on the road to Gilead.


I think the Rs know just how stupid and blind their base is regarding issues. They can make ANYTHING a wedge if they talk about abstracts like freedom and patriotism (and liberally sprinkle some Jesus). Recently their issue dujour is socialism. I'm sure they'll manage fine if abortion is declared illegal.
 
2020-09-21 7:03:23 AM  

vernonFL: Erebus1954: Twenty-nine times in American history there has been an open Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential election year, or in a lame-duck session before the next presidential inauguration.

The president made a nomination in all twenty-nine cases.

How many cases did the Senate refuse to even consider the nomination?


From Marc Thiessen on twitter:
29 Presidents have had election year or lame duck vacancy - all nominated someone.
8 x before election when other party controlled Senate - only 1 succeed
10x before election when Pres and senate controlled by same party - 9 succeeded.

Maybe somebody else can figure out how many were never voted on by the Senate.
 
2020-09-21 7:04:56 AM  

Erebus1954: Twenty-nine times in American history there has been an open Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential election year, or in a lame-duck session before the next presidential inauguration.

The president made a nomination in all twenty-nine cases.


Oh, eat an entire bag of dicks, you disingenuous ass. Take your "there is historical precedent for this" smug superiority and shove it. The issue is not the nomination, it's the swift agreement to a vote by the same pieces of shiat who refused to give the Obama administration their chance for a floor vote.... and you know it.These asshole Republicans had no problem ignoring Obama's nomination and in fact invented all manner of hand-wringing concern, insisted they would do the same thing for a GOP president, and are basically ready to hold a vote today while waiting in line at a freakin' Starbucks if they can get away with it.

I know you're a troll. I know you should be ignored. But Christ this act is tiresome.
 
2020-09-21 7:08:24 AM  
Maybe they should put together some actual rules when it comes to this instead of relying on a gentlemen's agreement or decorum because that hasn't worked since even before President Poo-Flinger took office.
 
2020-09-21 7:10:11 AM  

ntropy2012: Erebus1954: Twenty-nine times in American history there has been an open Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential election year, or in a lame-duck session before the next presidential inauguration.

The president made a nomination in all twenty-nine cases.

Oh, eat an entire bag of dicks, you disingenuous ass. Take your "there is historical precedent for this" smug superiority and shove it. The issue is not the nomination, it's the swift agreement to a vote by the same pieces of shiat who refused to give the Obama administration their chance for a floor vote.... and you know it.These asshole Republicans had no problem ignoring Obama's nomination and in fact invented all manner of hand-wringing concern, insisted they would do the same thing for a GOP president, and are basically ready to hold a vote today while waiting in line at a freakin' Starbucks if they can get away with it.

I know you're a troll. I know you should be ignored. But Christ this act is tiresome.


Yes, we're all shocked to learn that the Senate is political.
 
2020-09-21 7:10:36 AM  
If I was a GOP strategist, I'd put all the pressure in the world on Clarence Thomas to retire immediately and ram through two 19 year old judges immediately. In for a penny..
 
2020-09-21 7:11:29 AM  
..."Left"?
 
2020-09-21 7:14:28 AM  

Corvus: Is "win at all costs" a principal?


No, it's a principle.

/pet peeve
 
2020-09-21 7:17:14 AM  

havocmike: ram through two 19 year old judges


fark all y'all, Fark IS my site for erotica!
 
2020-09-21 7:22:14 AM  
Obama's memory is a little faulty. Please allow me to correct his recall:
"they invented the principle that the Senate shouldn't fill an open seat on the Supreme Court when the party controlling the Senate differs from the party controlling the White House before a new president was sworn in."

He was a very busy man with lots on his mind so it is easy to understand his imperfect recall of 2016. I'm happy to help.
 
2020-09-21 7:25:17 AM  

Aussie_As: Alphax: ntropy2012: AkaDad: Republicans are salivating over the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade.

Women becoming second-class citizens again is what MAGA is all about.

While I agree with the overall gist of your comment, I don't think they actually want to overturn Roe v Wade because it takes away their biggest campaign issue. If abortion goes away, what do they have left? Tax cuts for the 1% and bullshiat about the Second Amendment? Nah, instead they'll keep dangling that carrot in front of their idiot base who will never quite grasp despite them having the votes and the courts to overturn RvW, it never happens. This way they keep the evangelical vote and the single issue voters.

And with those assholes on board, they'll start us on the road to Gilead.

They only decided that abortion was bad, because they realized that segregation wasn't popular anymore.  But they seem to be returning to that, too... or at least Donnie is all by himself.

I hope I'm not proven wrong one day soon but I sincerely believe they won't overturn Roe vs Wade. It's the "battle" which keeps on delivering them the votes they want, they literally can't afford to actually win it. That would be years of hard work straight out the window.

They can't afford to lose all the illegal immigrants because they are so productive in the agricultural sector. They can't afford to lose gay people from the military. They can't afford the outcomes of actually banning abortion, nor would actually banning abortion correlate to their racial prejudices and desires for America to remain majority white, in fact it's only something they adopted to win over Catholics to the "moral majority" Republican vote (it's true, Protestants around the world generally accept that life begins at birth and southern baptists accepted this as recently as fifty years ago).

So instead they just doom us all to dragging this shiat out forever and a day .... to stig it to liberals and for no other reason.


The GOP has no problems making up issues.

Like there are people that think Biden is going to outlaw churches, because the GOP realizes they don't even have to be plausible with their lies.
 
2020-09-21 7:27:06 AM  

AkaDad: Republicans are salivating over the prospect of overturning Roe v Wade.

Women becoming second-class citizens again is what MAGA is all about.


Not to mention immigrants, minorities, gays and the poor.
 
2020-09-21 7:32:06 AM  

Erebus1954: Twenty-nine times in American history there has been an open Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential election year, or in a lame-duck session before the next presidential inauguration.

The president made a nomination in all twenty-nine cases.


And....... what's your forking point?
 
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