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(AP News)   Carpenters wow public at Notre Dame. Still not the same without Karen   (apnews.com) divider line
    More: Spiffy, Notre Dame de Paris, Gothic architecture, three-ton oak truss Saturday, front of Notre Dame Cathedral, Wood, team of carpenters, replica of the wooden structures, French President Emmanuel Macron  
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2020-09-21 2:39:16 AM  
So it will be finished in 300 years?
 
2020-09-21 2:48:38 AM  

Gyrfalcon: So it will be finished in 300 years?


Was gonna say that the rebuilding itself can serve as an attraction.
However, like you said, they really need to use modern techniques where it makes sense.
 
2020-09-21 2:52:45 AM  
It's made from good stone, and the wood was meant to be replaced every 500 years. The talent, and money, available today can set as many craftsmen in the building site as don't get in each others way. Cathedrals were slow to build because they had limited resources. Off-site are chain saws and wood drying kilns never imagined by the builders.
 
2020-09-21 2:59:39 AM  
i'll bet the acoustics in there are great. "we've only just begunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn​nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn​nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn​nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
 
2020-09-21 3:04:23 AM  
 Probably should've put this in the food tab.
 
2020-09-21 3:08:23 AM  
I bet those guys feel On Top of the World.
 
2020-09-21 3:15:40 AM  

wildcardjack: It's made from good stone, and the wood was meant to be replaced every 500 years. The talent, and money, available today can set as many craftsmen in the building site as don't get in each others way. Cathedrals were slow to build because they had limited resources. Off-site are chain saws and wood drying kilns never imagined by the builders.


Not to mention CAD design, FEA engineering, and X-ray inspection of each log for defects.  The new wood is going to fit perfectly, and function as intended.

/ It is my dearest hope that they sprinkler the attic this time.
 
2020-09-21 3:30:22 AM  
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Put on some damn gloves, Pierre. You'll get blisters on your cheese mitts. Jacques, on the right, knows what's up.
 
2020-09-21 3:33:26 AM  

studebaker hoch: wildcardjack: It's made from good stone, and the wood was meant to be replaced every 500 years. The talent, and money, available today can set as many craftsmen in the building site as don't get in each others way. Cathedrals were slow to build because they had limited resources. Off-site are chain saws and wood drying kilns never imagined by the builders.

Not to mention CAD design, FEA engineering, and X-ray inspection of each log for defects.  The new wood is going to fit perfectly, and function as intended.

/ It is my dearest hope that they sprinkler the attic this time.


Oh crap, low profile fire suppression systems are going into everything flammable people care about. The US Military made a weird dumb fire choice when they thought tight fitting wood drawers were going to prevent fire when they were occasionally archiving nitrocellulose materials.
 
2020-09-21 3:35:47 AM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: [Fark user image image 425x283]
Put on some damn gloves, Pierre. You'll get blisters on your cheese mitts. Jacques, on the right, knows what's up.


There was only one set of gloves in 1 mask and they had to share.  The back guy in the background is not wearing his mask very effectively either
 
2020-09-21 3:48:43 AM  
Locust - No One In The World (Third Summer)
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2020-09-21 4:01:20 AM  
They should make a public list of the people who publicly pledged financial aid in restoring Notre Dame and then didn't.
A lot of celebs make public announcements about giving money this for the positive image it gives them, then very quietly renege on them.
 
2020-09-21 4:05:33 AM  
I get why they want to keep the look that people are familiar with, but this isn't a new problem.  Metz had to deal with this 150 years ago and it came out far safer than the old truss system:

Attic of Metz Cathedral:
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It's the attics, it's not really part of the tour and the original builders would understand adapting their building to modern techniques.
Link goes to the Google Maps Streetview of Metz's attic.  Sorry for the copy and paste job, but Fark doesn't like the link.
 
2020-09-21 4:17:53 AM  

Trik: They should make a public list of the people who publicly pledged financial aid in restoring Notre Dame and then didn't.
A lot of celebs make public announcements about giving money this for the positive image it gives them, then very quietly renege on them.


Funny that you care about that but not when Donald Trump does it for charities And veterans groups
 
2020-09-21 4:32:30 AM  
if she ate that ham sandwich quieter the nazis never would have found her.
 
2020-09-21 4:43:35 AM  

Mindlock: I get why they want to keep the look that people are familiar with, but this isn't a new problem.  Metz had to deal with this 150 years ago and it came out far safer than the old truss system:

Attic of Metz Cathedral:
https://wwwgooglecom/maps/941201965,6.​1755447,3a,75y,220.76h,118.56t/data=!3​m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipPla56z2G1LGCeQznp7T​LS4vrJDVzv16ojlr5p4!2e10!7i5376!8i2688​?hl=en

It's the attics, it's not really part of the tour and the original builders would understand adapting their building to modern techniques.
Link goes to the Google Maps Streetview of Metz's attic.  Sorry for the copy and paste job, but Fark doesn't like the link.


Parisians thought the Eiffel Tower was a tacky monstrosity until a couple generations passed. In a few hundred years, people will be demanding that any repairs done to whatever 21st century office towers remain be done with authentic glass and steel to respect our artisanship.
 
2020-09-21 4:51:38 AM  

AquaTatanka: Trik: They should make a public list of the people who publicly pledged financial aid in restoring Notre Dame and then didn't.
A lot of celebs make public announcements about giving money this for the positive image it gives them, then very quietly renege on them.

Funny that you care about that but not when Donald Trump does it for charities And veterans groups


You have no idea what I care about.
 
2020-09-21 5:26:04 AM  
I never realized that Carpenters Without Borders was an actual thing. Maybe if they get the immigrant population involved in rebuilding one of France's most beloved landmarks, it would improve community relations somewhat. That would be nice.

/not an optimist, just sick of all the hatred floating around
 
2020-09-21 5:29:55 AM  

starlost: if she ate that ham sandwich quieter the nazis never would have found her.


They'd have still heard her starting her prop plane, though.
 
2020-09-21 5:46:00 AM  
They'll be left hungry for more.
 
2020-09-21 5:51:16 AM  
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2020-09-21 6:41:00 AM  
"European Heritage Days" sounds racist and exclusionary.
 
2020-09-21 6:48:01 AM  
Always cool to see old world handiwork being done.
 
2020-09-21 8:04:51 AM  
If they want to rebuild it as the original was built, they have to choose an original. That cathedral has been rebuilt and added to many times over the centuries. They are rebuking it as the tourist icon it's become in the last century. It was astonishingly lucky that the big windows are intact.
And why are older construction techniques described as rustic? There isn't machinery available to handle lumber that big that isn't being cut into planks. Those methods were the cutting edge of technology when the trusses were built and installed. (Half the fun of building a cathedral after all, is showing off how much more your building shows your love of god than the next city's does). If you look at Gaudi's Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, the front facade is an entirely different style from the rear facade, partly because it's taken so long to complete the thing.
Cathedrals were the equivalent of the competition for tallest building we have going on today.
 
2020-09-21 8:15:21 AM  
You have to appreciate real carpenters. Jesus tried to be a carpenter but luckily that Son Of God thing worked out.

/ ripped off from Jim Gaffigan
 
2020-09-21 8:31:07 AM  
Oh, the real Notre Dame.  Cool.
 
2020-09-21 8:56:39 AM  

wildcardjack: It's made from good stone, and the wood was meant to be replaced every 500 years. The talent, and money, available today can set as many craftsmen in the building site as don't get in each others way. Cathedrals were slow to build because they had limited resources. Off-site are chain saws and wood drying kilns never imagined by the builders.


Who taught you how to use a comma?
 
2020-09-21 8:57:55 AM  

studebaker hoch: wildcardjack: It's made from good stone, and the wood was meant to be replaced every 500 years. The talent, and money, available today can set as many craftsmen in the building site as don't get in each others way. Cathedrals were slow to build because they had limited resources. Off-site are chain saws and wood drying kilns never imagined by the builders.

Not to mention CAD design, FEA engineering, and X-ray inspection of each log for defects.  The new wood is going to fit perfectly, and function as intended.

/ It is my dearest hope that they sprinkler the attic this time.


the best policy will be to refuse any gender reveal parties.
 
2020-09-21 8:59:31 AM  

Trik: They should make a public list of the people who publicly pledged financial aid in restoring Notre Dame and then didn't.
A lot of celebs make public announcements about giving money this for the positive image it gives them, then very quietly renege on them.


yay for cancel culture! Yay!
 
2020-09-21 9:01:23 AM  

Trik: AquaTatanka: Trik: They should make a public list of the people who publicly pledged financial aid in restoring Notre Dame and then didn't.
A lot of celebs make public announcements about giving money this for the positive image it gives them, then very quietly renege on them.

Funny that you care about that but not when Donald Trump does it for charities And veterans groups

You have no idea what I care about.


You obviously care about the opinions of total strangers.
 
2020-09-21 9:04:09 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: "European Heritage Days" sounds racist and exclusionary.


Came here to ask what events are held at European Heritage Days.  Other than getting your brother to marry your cousin so your kingdom will expand.  And being a part of the slave trade.
/ I hope there's funnel cake.
 
2020-09-21 9:25:39 AM  

wildcardjack: studebaker hoch: wildcardjack: It's made from good stone, and the wood was meant to be replaced every 500 years. The talent, and money, available today can set as many craftsmen in the building site as don't get in each others way. Cathedrals were slow to build because they had limited resources. Off-site are chain saws and wood drying kilns never imagined by the builders.

Not to mention CAD design, FEA engineering, and X-ray inspection of each log for defects.  The new wood is going to fit perfectly, and function as intended.

/ It is my dearest hope that they sprinkler the attic this time.

Oh crap, low profile fire suppression systems are going into everything flammable people care about. The US Military made a weird dumb fire choice when they thought tight fitting wood drawers were going to prevent fire when they were occasionally archiving nitrocellulose materials.


I hated when they issued us those tight fitting wood drawers in Basic.  It's like they *WANT* you to chafe on a long road march.
 
2020-09-21 9:26:06 AM  
Karen isn't gone.  She's just speaking to the manager.
 
2020-09-21 9:27:51 AM  
Just Because...

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2020-09-21 9:28:32 AM  

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I took these pictures in Notre Dame in 2002. You'd think the place would have burned long ago.

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2020-09-21 9:31:23 AM  

dittybopper: wildcardjack: studebaker hoch: wildcardjack: It's made from good stone, and the wood was meant to be replaced every 500 years. The talent, and money, available today can set as many craftsmen in the building site as don't get in each others way. Cathedrals were slow to build because they had limited resources. Off-site are chain saws and wood drying kilns never imagined by the builders.

Not to mention CAD design, FEA engineering, and X-ray inspection of each log for defects.  The new wood is going to fit perfectly, and function as intended.

/ It is my dearest hope that they sprinkler the attic this time.

Oh crap, low profile fire suppression systems are going into everything flammable people care about. The US Military made a weird dumb fire choice when they thought tight fitting wood drawers were going to prevent fire when they were occasionally archiving nitrocellulose materials.

I hated when they issued us those tight fitting wood drawers in Basic.  It's like they *WANT* you to chafe on a long road march.


Not to mention wearing a wooden truss.
 
2020-09-21 9:33:08 AM  

AquaTatanka: Trik: They should make a public list of the people who publicly pledged financial aid in restoring Notre Dame and then didn't.
A lot of celebs make public announcements about giving money this for the positive image it gives them, then very quietly renege on them.

Funny that you care about that but not when Donald Trump does it for charities And veterans groups


Funny how you still manage to express your Trump Derangement when talking about a cathedral in France...
 
2020-09-21 9:40:11 AM  

SonOfSpam: Not to mention wearing a wooden truss.


When I was a kid I used to jump off this wooden truss:

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They've since fixed it up and removed the door.  No more jumping into the Battenkill.
 
2020-09-21 10:07:01 AM  
I would like to see the Carpenters on stage one last time. I doubt Karen would add much to the performance, though, she's pretty badly decomposed by now.
/Window seat, please.
 
2020-09-21 10:12:41 AM  
Seems like a waste. Knock it down and open something useful like a bakery.
 
2020-09-21 10:18:22 AM  
Karen?

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2020-09-21 10:25:25 AM  
Carpenters - Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft (Full Version)
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2020-09-21 10:29:42 AM  
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2020-09-21 11:19:03 AM  

studebaker hoch: wildcardjack: It's made from good stone, and the wood was meant to be replaced every 500 years. The talent, and money, available today can set as many craftsmen in the building site as don't get in each others way. Cathedrals were slow to build because they had limited resources. Off-site are chain saws and wood drying kilns never imagined by the builders.

Not to mention CAD design, FEA engineering, and X-ray inspection of each log for defects.  The new wood is going to fit perfectly, and function as intended.

/ It is my dearest hope that they sprinkler the attic this time.


Yeah well which construction method has a longer history of success? So the old paintings should be replaced by .bmps made in MS Paint, after they get stolen by vandals and used as cigarette paper?
 
2020-09-21 2:27:19 PM  

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Put on some damn gloves, Pierre. You'll get blisters on your cheese mitts. Jacques, on the right, knows what's up.


Yeah, except for his posture. That could have its consequences, and Paris doesn't have many job prospects for a hunchback.
 
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