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(Geeks Are Sexy)   Mark Hamill and Sir Patrick Stewart bickering over the pronunciation of the word "Tomatoes." It's Star Wars vs. Star Trek all over again   (geeksaresexy.net) divider line
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2020-09-21 5:14:08 AM  
Hmmm. Hamil wins audio hands down with voice acting work.

But Stewart has the visual because he's seen everything.

Draw?
/Dnrtfa
 
2020-09-21 5:16:29 AM  
I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.
 
2020-09-21 5:18:21 AM  
It's obviously pronounced "tomatoes."

/Duh
 
2020-09-21 5:31:00 AM  
They're both wrong.  It's a Nahuatl word, and it's pronounced "tomatl".
 
2020-09-21 5:39:02 AM  
Jokes on them, I only wanted potahtoes
 
2020-09-21 6:00:15 AM  

AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.


The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.
 
2020-09-21 6:07:26 AM  
I don't get it, does Uber Eats want us to call the whole thing off?
 
2020-09-21 6:08:24 AM  

Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.

The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.


Who made Shakespeare the Paragon of the English language?   Languages aren't stuck in time so I don't know why you would judge any language on any specific manner it was spoken hundreds of years ago.
 
2020-09-21 6:23:53 AM  
Hammill is right.

/fight me you cowards
 
2020-09-21 6:25:45 AM  
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2020-09-21 6:27:39 AM  

AquaTatanka: Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.

The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.

Who made Shakespeare the Paragon of the English language?   Languages aren't stuck in time so I don't know why you would judge any language on any specific manner it was spoken hundreds of years ago.


Okay, then how about since we beat them and become the dominant world power, we won the pronunciation rights via King's English rules.

Or what about it being a new world discovery meaning it's proper to use closer to the roots, in the Americas?

There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.
 
2020-09-21 6:44:59 AM  
There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.

How about Australians, New Zealanders, the Irish, South Africans, etc etc..?
It's literally only in the US where tomato is mispronounced.
 
2020-09-21 6:52:51 AM  
Let's call the whole thing off.
 
2020-09-21 6:58:32 AM  

ultraluzer: There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.

How about Australians, New Zealanders, the Irish, South Africans, etc etc..?
It's literally only in the US where tomato is mispronounced.


You mean places that didn't have native tomatoes? Yes, they must surely be the experts.
 
2020-09-21 7:04:21 AM  

Quantumbunny: ultraluzer: There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.

How about Australians, New Zealanders, the Irish, South Africans, etc etc..?
It's literally only in the US where tomato is mispronounced.

You mean places that didn't have native tomatoes? Yes, they must surely be the experts.


Heh.

You're absolutely correct.  The tomato is a New World fruit.   Therefore, when it comes to the proper pronunciation of its name, those in the New World who speak English have the final say in it (or should).
 
2020-09-21 7:27:24 AM  

Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.

The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.

Who made Shakespeare the Paragon of the English language?   Languages aren't stuck in time so I don't know why you would judge any language on any specific manner it was spoken hundreds of years ago.

Okay, then how about since we beat them and become the dominant world power, we won the pronunciation rights via King's English rules.

Or what about it being a new world discovery meaning it's proper to use closer to the roots, in the Americas?

There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.


The reason why Brits are arbiter of English pronunciation and spelling is because it is called English. If it was called American then Americans would be the arbiter of the correctness of the language.

Americans speak a dialect of English, just like Canadians do along with South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders et al.
 
2020-09-21 7:36:31 AM  

Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.

The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.


This is why this actually made me cringe:

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English as spoken in America, or New Zealand or where ever you want to name today is just as far from English as spoken in 13th Century England as modern English as spoken in England today.

This is 13th Century English:

Ye knowe eek, that in forme of speche is chaunge
Withinne a thousand yeer, and wordes tho
That hadden prys, now wonder nyce and straunge
Us thinketh hem; and yet they spake hem so,
And spedde as wel in love as men now do;
Eek for to winne love in sondry ages,
In sondry londes, sondry ben usages.


And it looks like you could actually speak that, but if you use modern pronunciation rules, either English or American, you'll be saying it wrong, because it was from before the Great Vowel Shift:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_V​o​wel_Shift

So the accents used in films (setting the comedy part aside) is irrelevant.  So for example, Kevin Costner not even attempting an accent doesn't make "Robin Hood Prince of Thieves" a bad film, the rest of the film does that.

I've said before that it would be interesting to have a Robin Hood film with the actors all speaking in 12th/13th English, and perhaps with modern English subtitles for people who can't quite understand the language.
 
2020-09-21 7:41:23 AM  

ultraluzer: There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.

How about Australians, New Zealanders, the Irish, South Africans, etc etc..?
It's literally only in the US where tomato is mispronounced.


You realize the tomato comes from the Americas, yeah?
 
2020-09-21 7:43:12 AM  

Norfolking Chance: The reason why Brits are arbiter of English pronunciation and spelling is because it is called English.


It's not an English fruit, therefore we shouldn't pronounce it like we were one.
 
2020-09-21 7:50:57 AM  
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes Theme Song
Youtube b3uIKzgcDxo
 
2020-09-21 7:51:51 AM  
And a little old George Clooney shame for fun..
Product Placement
Youtube ogId4kCae1A
 
2020-09-21 7:54:10 AM  

Norfolking Chance: Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.

The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.

Who made Shakespeare the Paragon of the English language?   Languages aren't stuck in time so I don't know why you would judge any language on any specific manner it was spoken hundreds of years ago.

Okay, then how about since we beat them and become the dominant world power, we won the pronunciation rights via King's English rules.

Or what about it being a new world discovery meaning it's proper to use closer to the roots, in the Americas?

There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.

The reason why Brits are arbiter of English pronunciation and spelling is because it is called English. If it was called American then Americans would be the arbiter of the correctness of the language.

Americans speak a dialect of English, just like Canadians do along with South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders et al.


Let's go by volume of speakers. More Americans than Brits + Canadians + Australians + New Zealanders. American English is used primarily as the pronunciation learned worldwide.

The Brits lost rights to their merchant language when they list superiority. American English is the language of trade now.

Deal with it.
 
2020-09-21 7:55:32 AM  

Quantumbunny: The Brits lost rights to their merchant language when they list superiority. American English is the language of trade now.

Deal with it.


We should all be learning Chinese right now for this very reason.
 
2020-09-21 8:15:17 AM  
Heh.

You're absolutely correct.  The tomato is a New World fruit.   Therefore, when it comes to the proper pronunciation of its name, those in the New World who speak English have the final say in it (or should).


I'm pretty sure the tomato was introduced to Europe by the Spanish, whose word tomate was incorporated into English. And as Spanish didn't have a vowel shift, tom-ah-to it is, ah-migo :)
 
2020-09-21 8:17:22 AM  

Quantumbunny: American English is the language of trade now.


I'd argue that English with any foreign accent is the language of trade now.
 
2020-09-21 8:20:53 AM  

Quantumbunny: ultraluzer: There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.

How about Australians, New Zealanders, the Irish, South Africans, etc etc..?
It's literally only in the US where tomato is mispronounced.

You mean places that didn't have native tomatoes? Yes, they must surely be the experts.


How about if you have people that speak something closer to Elizabethan English but ALSO have native tomatoes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Ti​d​er

We should ask them how to pronounce it, right after they finish shucking oysters.
 
2020-09-21 8:33:47 AM  

Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.

The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.


Thank God for that.
 
2020-09-21 8:47:44 AM  
Avery Bullock is funnier than anything Mark Hamil has ever voiced.
 
2020-09-21 8:57:51 AM  

emtwo: Quantumbunny: The Brits lost rights to their merchant language when they list superiority. American English is the language of trade now.

Deal with it.

We should all be learning Chinese right now for this very reason.


Mei banfa.
 
2020-09-21 9:11:42 AM  

Marcos P: Avery Bullock is funnier than anything Mark Hamil has ever voiced.


"American Dad" is absolutely awful. I don't personally know anybody that likes that show, or can even stand to watch it for more than a few minutes. It's almost impressive how aggressively un-funny it is.

And yet, it's semi-popular, apparently.
 
2020-09-21 9:16:02 AM  

Outlawtsar: Quantumbunny: ultraluzer: There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.

How about Australians, New Zealanders, the Irish, South Africans, etc etc..?
It's literally only in the US where tomato is mispronounced.

You mean places that didn't have native tomatoes? Yes, they must surely be the experts.

How about if you have people that speak something closer to Elizabethan English but ALSO have native tomatoes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Tid​er

We should ask them how to pronounce it, right after they finish shucking oysters.


I think it's pronounced "ersters."
 
2020-09-21 9:25:47 AM  
Toe-May-Toes
 
2020-09-21 9:32:05 AM  
Personally I think we should use the more archaic term for them.

And now I'm jonesing for a bacon, lettuce, and love apple sandwich on wheat.
 
2020-09-21 9:40:56 AM  
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2020-09-21 9:41:11 AM  
SIR Patrick Stewart has two settings, and you see them in this clip.

"Toe-mah-toes", said in the "please let's be reasonable about this" tone.

"TOE-MAH-TOES!", said in the "I'm about THIS close to opening this can of Whup-Ass" tone.
 
2020-09-21 9:41:41 AM  
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2020-09-21 9:45:37 AM  

emtwo: Quantumbunny: The Brits lost rights to their merchant language when they list superiority. American English is the language of trade now.

Deal with it.

We should all be learning Chinese right now for this very reason.


Should we also be eating dogs and harvesting organs from prisoners as well then?
 
2020-09-21 10:06:54 AM  

Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.

The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.

Who made Shakespeare the Paragon of the English language?   Languages aren't stuck in time so I don't know why you would judge any language on any specific manner it was spoken hundreds of years ago.

Okay, then how about since we beat them and become the dominant world power, we won the pronunciation rights via King's English rules.

Or what about it being a new world discovery meaning it's proper to use closer to the roots, in the Americas?

There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.


Dear England:
There are more us us than there are of you, we now set the rules on the English language.
PS: Please don't tell the Indians about this arrangement
 
2020-09-21 10:08:38 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: emtwo: Quantumbunny: The Brits lost rights to their merchant language when they list superiority. American English is the language of trade now.

Deal with it.

We should all be learning Chinese right now for this very reason.

Should we also be eating dogs and harvesting organs from prisoners as well then?


Cats and racoon dogs too. Well anything you can catch. Lactating dogs kept for warm drinks, straight from the nipple? Corpse brides?
 
2020-09-21 10:52:42 AM  

realmolo: Marcos P: Avery Bullock is funnier than anything Mark Hamil has ever voiced.

"American Dad" is absolutely awful. I don't personally know anybody that likes that show, or can even stand to watch it for more than a few minutes. It's almost impressive how aggressively un-funny it is.

And yet, it's semi-popular, apparently.


Hmm you must not smoke enough weed 🤔

Seruously though, the last few seasons were kinda bleh, and the early ones were sub par, but some of the middle seasons cracked me the hell up, but again I get pretty baked when I watch cartoons.
I'm the only one out of my friends who watches cartoons no one I know like any either.
 
2020-09-21 11:04:00 AM  

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Well, I'm stealing this... and leaving.. this? I guess?

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2020-09-21 11:15:37 AM  

Fano: Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: Quantumbunny: AquaTatanka: I normally side with the English guy speaking English correctly.  Especially when the other person is an American.

The closest living dialect in pronunciation to proper Shakespearean English is actually Southern US.

The Brits got too much French spelling and let European pronunciation replace much of their own.

Who made Shakespeare the Paragon of the English language?   Languages aren't stuck in time so I don't know why you would judge any language on any specific manner it was spoken hundreds of years ago.

Okay, then how about since we beat them and become the dominant world power, we won the pronunciation rights via King's English rules.

Or what about it being a new world discovery meaning it's proper to use closer to the roots, in the Americas?

There's no reason to trust the Brits more on pronunciation, whether through Appeal to Tradition, or any other logical fallacy you want to throw down.

Dear England:
There are more us us than there are of you, we now set the rules on the English language.
PS: Please don't tell the Indians about this arrangement


I think we still come out ahead:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_​E​nglish#Status
According to the 2011 Census, 129 million (10.6%) Indians spoke English.

That same year in the US, 231 million US residents only spoke English at home, and of the remaining 60.6 million, over 77.6% spoke English "Well" or "Very Well", so the total of English speakers in the US in 2011 was around 278 million.

https://www2.census.gov/library/publi​c​ations/2013/acs/acs-22/acs-22.pdf

Sadly, Morse is not included in that Census data.
 
2020-09-21 11:43:18 AM  
I wonder what their take on chowder is.
 
2020-09-21 1:05:47 PM  
dittybopper:


Sadly, Morse is not included in that Census data.

Madness!  Next you'll tell me that Baudot encoding isn't either!
 
2020-09-21 1:32:45 PM  

Marcos P: realmolo: Marcos P: Avery Bullock is funnier than anything Mark Hamil has ever voiced.

"American Dad" is absolutely awful. I don't personally know anybody that likes that show, or can even stand to watch it for more than a few minutes. It's almost impressive how aggressively un-funny it is.

And yet, it's semi-popular, apparently.

Hmm you must not smoke enough weed 🤔

Seruously though, the last few seasons were kinda bleh, and the early ones were sub par, but some of the middle seasons cracked me the hell up, but again I get pretty baked when I watch cartoons.
I'm the only one out of my friends who watches cartoons no one I know like any either.


I enjoyed it for the most part.

I put it above family guy from a total run perspective.
 
2020-09-21 2:03:15 PM  

Dhoogall: dittybopper:


Sadly, Morse is not included in that Census data.

Madness!  Next you'll tell me that Baudot encoding isn't either!


If you can understand Baudot like it was someone talking to you, and you can answer back without typing on something, you're a better man than I.
 
2020-09-21 2:43:46 PM  

Slaxl: Jokes on them, I only wanted potahtoes


No one ever says po-tah-toes. They just don't.
 
2020-09-21 3:47:13 PM  
Tomatoes originate in the Americas therefore an American pronunciation would be correct.
 
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