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2020-09-20 8:51:22 PM  
We also went hard on flu vaccinations this year due to the quite reasonable belief that you don't want to suffer a double-whammy of Covid and the flu at the same time.
 
2020-09-20 9:57:16 PM  
The health care industry was already reeling from the downturn in all sorts of treatments since the pandemic began, and now this? Fortunately Americans will take take actions to avoid the flu shortages seen in other countries.
 
2020-09-20 10:03:03 PM  
I did the same thing on my property with red ants. I went after them so hard that now there's no more ants.
 
2020-09-20 11:45:51 PM  
So, are there any NZ Farkers looking to hire a fellow Farker with two film degrees?
 
2020-09-21 12:09:38 AM  
"Northern hemisphere countries that are actively suppressing Covid-19 to some degree should get a lot of protection [from influenza] by doing that."

Meanwhile, we just get to suck on the "freedom" brought upon us by farking morons.
 
2020-09-21 12:09:46 AM  
I'm sort of hoping for the same effect here. I am a firm believer in influenza vaccines, but if soap and water can do the job, why not? I now put soap in the little container I use for my partial plate over night.

If you didn't rinse the soap off, it would possibly do a job on your digestion because soap is not for internal use, but hey, alcohol. People pay good money to be sick and waste good food and drink.
 
2020-09-21 12:10:01 AM  
Stop hyping up New Zealand, dammit. I won't have any chance of emigrating there if it becomes too popular.
 
2020-09-21 12:10:19 AM  
How much do you wanna bet the U.S. will have record number of flu cases?
 
2020-09-21 12:11:44 AM  
there's always a downside. sure, you won't get sick, but you gotta live in a hellhole like this

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2020-09-21 12:16:02 AM  

whisper in the wind: How much do you wanna bet the U.S. will have record number of flu cases?


I can't see that happening. As bad as our response has been, it's still a radical change in people's routines. It just won't have the opportunity to spread.
 
2020-09-21 12:17:44 AM  

crinz83: there's always a downside. sure, you won't get sick, but you gotta live in a hellhole like this

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I know someone who was in NZ when the pandemic started. She made a video of their road trips and every scene was that beautiful. Amazing.
 
2020-09-21 12:21:12 AM  

crinz83: there's always a downside. sure, you won't get sick, but you gotta live in a hellhole like this

[outsideonline.com image 500x800]


Looks like New Mexico with water and good roads.
 
2020-09-21 12:24:50 AM  
Low ≠ eliminated, subster.
 
2020-09-21 12:25:29 AM  
 
2020-09-21 12:31:43 AM  
So sick people staying away from other people means the flu can't spread? You don't say!

Maybe we should continue, after the pandemic ends, to respect others' personal space.
 
2020-09-21 12:37:51 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.


Not really accurate or useful though.. that is the quarter TO June, i.e. includes the time when the country was in hard level 4 lockdown. The short hard hit and alleviate long term damage was the actual plan. We are in fact already out of that recession and improving.
 
2020-09-21 12:43:36 AM  

MBooda: Low ≠ eliminated, subster.


Zero detected cases since April is pretty eliminated by flu standards
 
2020-09-21 12:44:16 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.


Well let's see how much better America did with all the "freedom" we had in comparison during that same timeframe.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-do​mestic-product-2nd-quarter-2020-advanc​e-estimate-and-annual-update#:~:text=C​urrent%E2%80%91dollar%20GDP%20decrease​d%2034.3,table%201%20and%20table%203).

Current‑dollar GDP decreased 34.3 percent, or $2.15 trillion, in the second quarter to a level of $19.41 trillion. In the first quarter, GDP decreased 3.4 percent, or $186.3 billion (table 1 and table 3).

So our Laissez Faire approach to COVID-19 didn't result in a better economy after all huh?
 
2020-09-21 12:46:00 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.


And how bad is the US recession?
According to Wikipedia:  "Real GDP was forecast to fall at a nearly 38% annual rate in the second quarter, or 11.2% versus the prior quarter"

So they took an extra 1% in order to eliminate the virus while we killed 200,000 people.

And then of course in a year, compare their trajectory to ours, and see who did better in Q3 and Q4.  I bet you it's the people who can have public events, bars, restaurants, and so on.
 
2020-09-21 12:47:39 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.


The US dropped 32% GDP, had 200,000 dead and is still in the middle of a crippling pandemic which shows no signs of slowing.

Points to NZ I'd say.
 
2020-09-21 12:49:43 AM  
What the hell is the southern hemisphere?
 
2020-09-21 12:54:02 AM  

RepoManTSM: What the hell is the southern hemisphere?


The one on top.
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2020-09-21 1:06:03 AM  
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2020-09-21 1:07:58 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.


Hmm.. Face recession, or be dead.. HMMMMMMM
 
2020-09-21 1:10:59 AM  
Showoffs
 
2020-09-21 1:12:26 AM  

Weng: MBooda: Low ≠ eliminated, subster.

Zero detected cases since April is pretty eliminated by flu standards


Great news! That means we've eliminated the flu in our house and the immediate neighborhood.

/you're welcome
 
2020-09-21 1:18:59 AM  

MBooda: Weng: MBooda: Low ≠ eliminated, subster.

Zero detected cases since April is pretty eliminated by flu standards

Great news! That means we've eliminated the flu in our house and the immediate neighborhood.

/you're welcome


Yeah and if the surrounding neighborhoods weren't full of maskless morons who insist on haircuts and hamburgers and football we might be through this but FREEDUMS!
 
2020-09-21 1:24:02 AM  

MBooda: Weng: MBooda: Low ≠ eliminated, subster.

Zero detected cases since April is pretty eliminated by flu standards

Great news! That means we've eliminated the flu in our house and the immediate neighborhood.

/you're welcome


You might want to stop farking if your house has a population comparable to New Zealand.

Or declare independence and be recognized by the UN.
 
2020-09-21 1:24:05 AM  

Lance Robdon: Stop hyping up New Zealand, dammit. I won't have any chance of emigrating there if it becomes too popular.


Please go there.  Just avoid Australia.  It's, um, a terrible place and you really wouldn't like it.
 
2020-09-21 1:32:57 AM  

Gordon Bennett: So, are there any NZ Farkers looking to hire a fellow Farker with two film degrees?


I'm pretty sure New Zealand has plenty of waiters already.
 
2020-09-21 1:35:16 AM  

gaspode: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

Not really accurate or useful though.. that is the quarter TO June, i.e. includes the time when the country was in hard level 4 lockdown. The short hard hit and alleviate long term damage was the actual plan. We are in fact already out of that recession and improving.


Citation? BBC seems to disagree.
 
2020-09-21 1:37:14 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: Gordon Bennett: So, are there any NZ Farkers looking to hire a fellow Farker with two film degrees?

I'm pretty sure New Zealand has plenty of waiters already.


derp. STEM master race.
 
2020-09-21 1:43:31 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: gaspode: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

Not really accurate or useful though.. that is the quarter TO June, i.e. includes the time when the country was in hard level 4 lockdown. The short hard hit and alleviate long term damage was the actual plan. We are in fact already out of that recession and improving.

Citation? BBC seems to disagree.


BBC makes no comment on that, they just report the recession numbers just announced which were the quarter to June. The September quarter will show a large growth compared to the June quarter, but it will take some time to get back to normal of course.

Infometrics senior economist Brad Olsen:
Olsen said that the huge fall in the June quarter GDP shows New Zealand took an immediate hit from the pandemic.  But that was largely due to the fast response.
"Although the immediate hit might be harder, the path forward for New Zealand is more optimistic than other parts of the world who are still grappling with the outbreak," he said.
Olsen said although the recession will technically be over in the September 2020 quarter, that doesn't mean consumer spending and business investment will bounce back to normal.
"It's saying things aren't getting worse, but conditions still remain in a harder position than before the pandemic hit," he said.

"We expect this recession to only last over the first half of 2020. That said, we expect the effects of the outbreak to weigh on activity over the coming years," NZIER principal economist Christina Leung said.

So technically not in recession (we are at the end of the September quarter referred to here), but with clearly negative medium term effects (after all we are an exporting and tourist-importing nation)
 
2020-09-21 1:44:06 AM  

Mrtraveler01: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

Well let's see how much better America did with all the "freedom" we had in comparison during that same timeframe.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-do​mestic-product-2nd-quarter-2020-advanc​e-estimate-and-annual-update#:~:text=C​urrent%E2%80%91dollar%20GDP%20decrease​d%2034.3,table%201%20and%20table%203).

Current‑dollar GDP decreased 34.3 percent, or $2.15 trillion, in the second quarter to a level of $19.41 trillion. In the first quarter, GDP decreased 3.4 percent, or $186.3 billion (table 1 and table 3).

So our Laissez Faire approach to COVID-19 didn't result in a better economy after all huh?


Is that what you call closing down all "non-essential business"... Etc? Laissez Faire?
 
2020-09-21 1:47:10 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Mrtraveler01: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

Well let's see how much better America did with all the "freedom" we had in comparison during that same timeframe.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-do​mestic-product-2nd-quarter-2020-advanc​e-estimate-and-annual-update#:~:text=C​urrent%E2%80%91dollar%20GDP%20decrease​d%2034.3,table%201%20and%20table%203).

Current‑dollar GDP decreased 34.3 percent, or $2.15 trillion, in the second quarter to a level of $19.41 trillion. In the first quarter, GDP decreased 3.4 percent, or $186.3 billion (table 1 and table 3).

So our Laissez Faire approach to COVID-19 didn't result in a better economy after all huh?

Is that what you call closing down all "non-essential business"... Etc? Laissez Faire?


Lassie faired better
 
2020-09-21 1:48:21 AM  

DemonEater: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

And how bad is the US recession?
According to Wikipedia:  "Real GDP was forecast to fall at a nearly 38% annual rate in the second quarter, or 11.2% versus the prior quarter"

So they took an extra 1% in order to eliminate the virus while we killed 200,000 people.

And then of course in a year, compare their trajectory to ours, and see who did better in Q3 and Q4.  I bet you it's the people who can have public events, bars, restaurants, and so on.


They're locking everyone back down after their vacations...

What makes you think they'd ever allow for public events without a fight?
 
2020-09-21 1:49:13 AM  

gunther_bumpass: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

Hmm.. Face recession, or be dead.. HMMMMMMM


Economies recover from recessions. Dead people don't recover. So yeah, it's such a difficult decision.
 
2020-09-21 1:50:47 AM  

MBooda: RepoManTSM: What the hell is the southern hemisphere?

The one on top.
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Cartagrophers for Social Equality
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2020-09-21 1:57:02 AM  

maddermaxx: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

The US dropped 32% GDP, had 200,000 dead and is still in the middle of a crippling pandemic which shows no signs of slowing.

Points to NZ I'd say.


Yeah, I didn't say the US was perfect did I? I said "balance."

But here's your "no signs of slowing."
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2020-09-21 2:03:09 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: maddermaxx: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

The US dropped 32% GDP, had 200,000 dead and is still in the middle of a crippling pandemic which shows no signs of slowing.

Points to NZ I'd say.

Yeah, I didn't say the US was perfect did I? I said "balance."

But here's your "no signs of slowing."
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And you'll note that the cases dropping correlate precisely to closing things down, and the spikes to holidays where idiots just couldn't help themselves. 

Balance. 

Shut it down for a few weeks a few months ago and we'd all be whistling zipadeedodah shoving shiat in our faces at Didneylan.
But some of you farkers couldn't handle that. Thanks so much for farking our country because you couldn't handle a little change for one month.
 
2020-09-21 2:08:21 AM  

Nidiot: gunther_bumpass: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

Hmm.. Face recession, or be dead.. HMMMMMMM

Economies recover from recessions. Dead people don't recover. So yeah, it's such a difficult decision.


That's a false dichotomy.

More like face recession or face .05-1% chance of fatality IF you fall into a high risk group.

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https://covid19.who.int/
 
2020-09-21 2:11:37 AM  

jaytkay: crinz83: there's always a downside. sure, you won't get sick, but you gotta live in a hellhole like this

[outsideonline.com image 500x800]

I know someone who was in NZ when the pandemic started. She made a video of their road trips and every scene was that beautiful. Amazing.


NZ is easily the most incredible place on earth that I've been to - and I've been around.

Plus, they like Americans more than we like ourselves.  South Island NZ! Woo!
 
2020-09-21 2:19:33 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Nidiot: gunther_bumpass: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

Hmm.. Face recession, or be dead.. HMMMMMMM

Economies recover from recessions. Dead people don't recover. So yeah, it's such a difficult decision.

That's a false dichotomy.

More like face recession or face .05-1% chance of fatality IF you fall into a high risk group.

[Fark user image 425x411]
https://covid19.who.int/


Or face a temporary 4 week blip of diminished returns as everyone shelters in place and then it's life back to normal. But you just can't have that, so, 6 months, 7 months, one year of death and chaos it is, while the Trumps and the rest of the oligarchs profit from hoarding PPE.
 
2020-09-21 2:21:39 AM  

gunther_bumpass: fark'emfeed'emfish: maddermaxx: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

The US dropped 32% GDP, had 200,000 dead and is still in the middle of a crippling pandemic which shows no signs of slowing.

Points to NZ I'd say.

Yeah, I didn't say the US was perfect did I? I said "balance."

But here's your "no signs of slowing."
[Fark user image 399x750][Fark user image 351x750]

And you'll note that the cases dropping correlate precisely to closing things down, and the spikes to holidays where idiots just couldn't help themselves. 

Balance. 

Shut it down for a few weeks a few months ago and we'd all be whistling zipadeedodah shoving shiat in our faces at Didneylan.
But some of you farkers couldn't handle that. Thanks so much for farking our country because you couldn't handle a little change for one month.


The United States coexists as a republic between two other countries on the continent of North America with some of the busiest international airports in the world.
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New Zealand is an island. Your fantasy betrays a minimal understanding of freedom.
 
2020-09-21 2:25:12 AM  

JayCab: "Northern hemisphere countries that are actively suppressing Covid-19 to some degree should get a lot of protection [from influenza] by doing that."

Meanwhile, we just get to suck on the "freedom" brought upon us by farking morons.


You give yourself too much credit.
 
2020-09-21 2:25:24 AM  

gunther_bumpass: fark'emfeed'emfish: Nidiot: gunther_bumpass: fark'emfeed'emfish: [Fark user image 407x750]
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5418​6359

Balance.

Hmm.. Face recession, or be dead.. HMMMMMMM

Economies recover from recessions. Dead people don't recover. So yeah, it's such a difficult decision.

That's a false dichotomy.

More like face recession or face .05-1% chance of fatality IF you fall into a high risk group.

[Fark user image 425x411]
https://covid19.who.int/

Or face a temporary 4 week blip of diminished returns as everyone shelters in place and then it's life back to normal. But you just can't have that, so, 6 months, 7 months, one year of death and chaos it is, while the Trumps and the rest of the oligarchs profit from hoarding PPE.


That doesn't change the IFR, and that's not even how it's playing out for New Zealand.
 
2020-09-21 2:27:19 AM  
And yet you still have people shilling for flu shots, even though the same measures against flu are the same against COVID.

/honestly, for non-life threatening diseases we really should give the body a chance to practice defending itself
//and please take measures if you feel the sniffles; mask + washing/sanitizer, the way some Asian countries do, and stay away from high-risk
///this of course doesn't apply to dangerous diseases (ones with high rates of hospitalization, not just fatalities. Even COVID is 2-5%). My sense is that this is another way we've stunted our bodies' healthy mechanisms
 
2020-09-21 2:32:57 AM  
All you had to do was control yourselves, a little bit, in March and April.

This isn't about "freedom", it's about not being an asshole and taking on some civic responsibility.
Literally the laziest form of civic responsibility. Wear a mask, stay mostly indoors with your family/group.

That's it.

But that's just too god damn much for the average asshole selfish American, isn't it?
 
2020-09-21 2:46:26 AM  
In which one idiot makes a stupid point, and spends the rest of thread flailing wildly trying to defend it. Thus the trash thread was born.
 
2020-09-21 2:47:19 AM  

Resident Muslim: And yet you still have people shilling for flu shots, even though the same measures against flu are the same against COVID.

/honestly, for non-life threatening diseases we really should give the body a chance to practice defending itself
//and please take measures if you feel the sniffles; mask + washing/sanitizer, the way some Asian countries do, and stay away from high-risk
///this of course doesn't apply to dangerous diseases (ones with high rates of hospitalization, not just fatalities. Even COVID is 2-5%). My sense is that this is another way we've stunted our bodies' healthy mechanisms


Get a flu shot.
 
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