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(SFGate)   With the pandemic depressing demand for fossil fuels and renewable energy development booming, why should owners of gas wells idle or plug their wells when they can simply walk away, leaving them to leak methane forever?   (sfgate.com) divider line
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2020-09-20 4:10:12 PM  
That's capitalism. Leave someone else footing the bill, baby!
 
2020-09-20 4:28:29 PM  
"there is no associated person or company with any financial connection to and responsibility for the well,"

Of course not. Business is all about avoiding any responsibility for one's actions. Oh, employees are personally responsible for eveything. But owners and investors? Not so much.
 
2020-09-20 4:30:21 PM  
Privatize the profits. Socialize the costs
 
2020-09-20 4:33:55 PM  
I've been leaking methane for years
 
2020-09-20 4:44:19 PM  
But yeah, cow farts are the problem.

=P
 
2020-09-20 4:44:56 PM  
T REX -Life's a Gas
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2020-09-20 4:47:20 PM  
/shiats all over the western u.s.
//wipes ass with articles of incorporation
///wanders away whistling three Slash tunes
 
2020-09-20 4:49:29 PM  
Sounds like the Cowboy Chernobyl.
 
2020-09-20 4:50:24 PM  
Can the states not pass a law that any unattended well that is not capped gets foreclosed upon to pay any fines? Similar to the same thing city councils do with people who don't mow their grass?
 
2020-09-20 4:53:32 PM  

Sim Tree: Can the states not pass a law that any unattended well that is not capped gets foreclosed upon to pay any fines? Similar to the same thing city councils do with people who don't mow their grass?


Except people generally still want to keep their house.
 
2020-09-20 4:59:05 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: "there is no associated person or company with any financial connection to and responsibility for the well,"

Of course not. Business is all about avoiding any responsibility for one's actions. Oh, employees are personally responsible for eveything. But owners and investors? Not so much.


except thats all bullshiat.  they HAD an owner.  the owner was just ignoring them and giving them a runaround.
in a just world they'd cap the damn thing then send them the bill.  and if the bill wasnt paid they'd revoke their corporate charter and sell off business assets until it was.

don't tell me that if a private citizen spilled dangerous chemicals somewhere that required a cleanup and just ignored orders and summonses nothing would come of it.
 
2020-09-20 4:59:55 PM  

Sim Tree: Can the states not pass a law that any unattended well that is not capped gets foreclosed upon to pay any fines? Similar to the same thing city councils do with people who don't mow their grass?


That's basically what happens.  State takes over, our taxes pay cleanup.  Sometimes cleanup money gets back to original owner with a stake in the cleanup company.

Yay capitalism!
 
2020-09-20 5:04:38 PM  
Have the government plug the wells, with the bodies of the owners of the wells.
 
2020-09-20 5:05:57 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Have the government plug the wells, with the bodies of the owners of the wells.


Even the edible parts?
 
2020-09-20 5:07:08 PM  
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2020-09-20 5:07:43 PM  
Exxon did so well with the Valdez disaster.

Why should they clean up anything they don't wanna?

As my nightmare-neighbor used to say:

"Ain't nobody gonna do nothin' to me for it."
 
2020-09-20 5:09:50 PM  
Pretend it is something new?

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2020-09-20 5:13:58 PM  
It's cheaper for them to pay the fines when they get caught than to do the right thing every single time.

The solution is to either radically increase the fines, make it impossible to not get caught, or throw their asses in prison for a couple of years as a deterrent.

Personally in this case I prefer both options A and C.
 
2020-09-20 5:16:00 PM  
Why should they? Because the law says so, and the law has a gun? It's good enough reason for cops to shoot a black kid, it's good enough reason to kill some oil well owners.

So keep it up farkos.
 
2020-09-20 5:16:34 PM  
We should point out to our friends on the right that if methane really is the gas of the future, than why are they letting millions of dollars in future profits vanish into the air like that?
 
2020-09-20 5:22:06 PM  
The methane will be gone in a hundred years or so but carbon dioxide is forever.
 
2020-09-20 5:22:59 PM  
You'd think - of all places - the liberal utopia of California would've figured out how to regulate this into oblivion. But I guess you don't get to be the world's fifth largest economy by biatch slapping business.

Otherwise they'd have better solutions than shutting down power lines in disrepair because of fire risks and piping water from the Sierra Nevada to SoCal.
 
2020-09-20 5:25:49 PM  
The US is lucky there isn't a born and bred politician from a long line of politicians in the White House right now.

The government could use his expertise and insight into all the tricks, tricks, and deceitful practices and tax dodges a savvy business might use to get out of their fiscal and environmental responsibility.

That's what he's been doing and why he needs another four years right?
 
2020-09-20 5:27:14 PM  
"We make the same mistake over and over again," says Rob Jackson, a professor of Earth system science at Stanford who oversees Lebel's work. "Companies go bankrupt, and taxpayers pay the bills."

Check me if I'm wrong, but aren't these FF companies also getting tax breaks to come desecrate the land?  Might be time to end all that shiat.
 
2020-09-20 5:28:01 PM  
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2020-09-20 5:28:18 PM  
Shirking your responsibilities: it's just smart business!

/ F capitalism
 
2020-09-20 5:28:30 PM  
Renewable energy development isnt booming, subby. It's being shoved down Californians' throats by their state government.
If Harriden wins, that may happen to the whole country, and wont have hardly any effect on global warming.
 
2020-09-20 5:29:15 PM  
Also, free market solution: tell wildcatters that they can make meth from methane and the methane is free! Go USA!
 
2020-09-20 5:31:50 PM  
But I was assured that capitalism always made the correct choices on behalf of society.
 
2020-09-20 5:32:30 PM  
Never, ever trust the mining, logging, ranching, or drilling industries...on anything. Several centuries have shown that they must be absolutely forced to make the slightest responsible effort.
 
2020-09-20 5:33:40 PM  
It's worked for the mining industry.

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2020-09-20 5:34:12 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: That's capitalism. Leave someone else footing the bill, baby!


US government cap them and send the bill to the corporations. If  only we were living in a sane, just world.
 
2020-09-20 5:39:07 PM  
Require every owner to place a bond when they first dig it.  If they don't cap it the bond goes to a company that will cap it.  

Bigger operators could take out insurance, with rates based on their track record, so if they hit financial hard times/bankruptcy, the insurance covers it.

And we could raise taxes on the companies enough to make an emergency fund to cover any wells that fall through the cracks.
 
2020-09-20 5:39:58 PM  

winedrinkingman: We should point out to our friends on the right that if methane really is the gas of the future, than why are they letting millions of dollars in future profits vanish into the air like that?


Because the short-term expense might make "our friends" miss their quarterly targets. And we can't have that.
 
2020-09-20 5:40:43 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: "there is no associated person or company with any financial connection to and responsibility for the well,"

Of course not. Business is all about avoiding any responsibility for one's actions. Oh, employees are personally responsible for eveything. But owners and investors? Not so much.


If the well somehow suddenly became profitable I guarantee an owner would materialize very very quickly to capture those profits.
 
2020-09-20 5:43:47 PM  

HoratioGates: Require every owner to place a bond when they first dig it.  If they don't cap it the bond goes to a company that will cap it.  

Bigger operators could take out insurance, with rates based on their track record, so if they hit financial hard times/bankruptcy, the insurance covers it.

And we could raise taxes on the companies enough to make an emergency fund to cover any wells that fall through the cracks.


Re-read TFA. Owners ARE required to place a bond when they first dig it. But SOMEHOW the bond amounts required haven't kept up with inflation.

It might have something to do with that legalized bribery the politicians call "campaign contributions."
 
2020-09-20 5:48:00 PM  
That damn Church family.
 
2020-09-20 5:49:51 PM  

Riche: HoratioGates: Require every owner to place a bond when they first dig it.  If they don't cap it the bond goes to a company that will cap it.  

Bigger operators could take out insurance, with rates based on their track record, so if they hit financial hard times/bankruptcy, the insurance covers it.

And we could raise taxes on the companies enough to make an emergency fund to cover any wells that fall through the cracks.

Re-read TFA. Owners ARE required to place a bond when they first dig it. But SOMEHOW the bond amounts required haven't kept up with inflation.

It might have something to do with that legalized bribery the politicians call "campaign contributions."


That's why I had a three prong approach.
 
2020-09-20 5:56:24 PM  
This thread will be fun. The Fark is the most militant troll farm I've seen for lying that oil extraction and transport are clean industries.
 
2020-09-20 6:00:12 PM  
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2020-09-20 6:09:26 PM  

MechaPyx: But yeah, cow farts are the problem.

=P


False equiv like typing detected
 
2020-09-20 6:17:39 PM  

BonoboJeezus: Never, ever trust the mining, logging, ranching, or drilling industries...on anything. Several centuries have shown that they must be absolutely forced to make the slightest responsible effort.


What would you expect for industries that thinks it's their god given right to extract pure profit from the earth itself, using the lifeblood of their discarded desperate workers?
 
2020-09-20 6:17:43 PM  

Sim Tree: Can the states not pass a law that any unattended well that is not capped gets foreclosed upon to pay any fines? Similar to the same thing city councils do with people who don't mow their grass?


You haven't been paying attention to the Republican party for the last 60 years.

You do not cut into your donors profits.  You will *never* be able to afford the lifestyle you are accustomed to in congress unless you make those donors happy so they will hire you.

How else will you pay to keep the wife from paying attention to the underaged girls you keep knocking up and the pool boy you gave herpes to.

By working a normal job?
 
2020-09-20 6:19:23 PM  

Sim Tree: Can the states not pass a law that any unattended well that is not capped gets foreclosed upon to pay any fines? Similar to the same thing city councils do with people who don't mow their grass?


So now the state owns it.  It's still fubared and nobody wants to buy it.  If it was possible to profit from it, it would have been sold.
 
2020-09-20 6:19:24 PM  

Zevon's Evil Twin: Exxon did so well with the Valdez disaster.

Why should they clean up anything they don't wanna?

As my nightmare-neighbor used to say:

"Ain't nobody gonna do nothin' to me for it."


Did anybody ever do anything to him for whatever it was he did?
 
2020-09-20 6:20:59 PM  

maxandgrinch: The US is lucky there isn't a born and bred politician from a long line of politicians in the White House right now.

The government could use his expertise and insight into all the tricks, tricks, and deceitful practices and tax dodges a savvy business might use to get out of their fiscal and environmental responsibility.

That's what he's been doing and why he needs another four years right?


Sure. Why not?
 
2020-09-20 6:21:39 PM  

anuran: [static01.nyt.com image 850x565]


Oh yes, the Fark wet dream of guillotines...lol give it a rest.
 
2020-09-20 6:22:57 PM  
I'm sure there will be a market based solution that will be far superior to any government solution. We shouldn't interfere in private enterprise or burden the job creators. The economy is all that matters anyway. Fark polar bears, they eat people.
 
2020-09-20 6:40:59 PM  

Animatronik: Renewable energy development isnt booming, subby. It's being shoved down Californians' throats by their state government.
If Harriden wins, that may happen to the whole country, and wont have hardly any effect on global warming.


Good to hear from the fossil fuel lobby. TY, fossil fuel lobbro.
 
2020-09-20 6:41:13 PM  

bfh0417: anuran: [static01.nyt.com image 850x565]

Oh yes, the Fark wet dream of guillotines...lol give it a rest.


I just keep saying .. do it ... they won't.

For all their talk of revolution and overthrowing shiat and taking back power, they sure are a pretty impotent bunch of do-nothings. But, then, really, what did we expect? This is a group of people who failed to compete in capitalism, doubt they have the wherewithal to do anything more than biatch and moan on some website.

But, go on, prove me wrong ... I'll be waiting for the blood to start flowing with glee ...

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