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2020-09-20 3:34:36 PM  
I don't get it. How does TFA think there's a choice between doing what's right regarding SCOTUS and him staying in power. Being a democracy-murdering Russian puppet is exactly what Kentucky voters want out of him, so one is a means to the other.
 
2020-09-20 3:49:32 PM  

Boondock3806: I don't get it. How does TFA think there's a choice between doing what's right regarding SCOTUS and him staying in power. Being a democracy-murdering Russian puppet is exactly what Kentucky voters want out of him, so one is a means to the other.


That people think McConnell is some kind of "Russian Puppet" dangerously miscalculates what a naturally horrible human being McConnell is.
 
2020-09-20 3:49:44 PM  

Boondock3806: I don't get it. How does TFA think there's a choice between doing what's right regarding SCOTUS and him staying in power. Being a democracy-murdering Russian puppet is exactly what Kentucky voters want out of him, so one is a means to the other.


And there's no chance a seating a nutjob conservative judge is going to scare away conservative voters in other states. This is very clearly what they want. Even the ones who say they're moderates. There's no reason to stop burning the country down when the base has told you they love watching the flames.
 
2020-09-20 3:58:15 PM  
He's just going to wait until after the election. Let this simmer as a possibility for the base, run them to the polls, don't give the normal people in the country a reason to be alarmed, and then ram a justice in whether Trump loses or not.
 
2020-09-20 3:59:25 PM  
I think we need to change

"When they go low we go high"
to
"When they go low, rip out their nutsacks and shove them in their mouths."
 
2020-09-20 4:00:01 PM  
Go home new Yorker writer, you're drunk.
 
2020-09-20 4:01:30 PM  
I said this the other day. Trump wants what's good for him so a nomination BEFORE the election looks good for him. OTOH if it looks better for McConnell to do so AFTER the election he'll do that. There's going to be a new judge on the bench before January anyways in spite what Democrats will threaten. What it comes down to is who benefits from the timing the most, Trump or McConnell. Plan for the fallout to be documented on twitter if McConnell doesn't do what Trumpy wants.
 
2020-09-20 4:02:17 PM  
How many Trump tweets calling out McConnell as unworthy as a senate majority leader will it take to get Moscow Mitch back toeing the party line? I'm gonna guess three and a start of SCOTUS nominee confirmation proceedings no later than 9/28.
 
2020-09-20 4:02:48 PM  
Well, a majority of Americans, including half of Republicans, think the Senate should wait.

But it's hard to see how this changes anyone's vote at this point or motivates the people who complain Biden isn't liberal enough. I'm sure Mitch has polled and focused grouped this scenario.
 
2020-09-20 4:03:33 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Go home new Yorker writer, you're drunk.


They're home already and haven't slept since Friday, spending all that time desperately searching for some rationale as to how we're not completely farked and maybe get a little bit of sleep before the weekend comes to a close and the typical weekday flood of bullshiat resumes.

/at least, that's how i feel
 
2020-09-20 4:03:52 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He's just going to wait until after the election. Let this simmer as a possibility for the base, run them to the polls, don't give the normal people in the country a reason to be alarmed, and then ram a justice in whether Trump loses or not.


Correct
 
2020-09-20 4:04:27 PM  
 
2020-09-20 4:04:46 PM  
That was a really good article.

I agree with it wholeheartedly on these points: nobody, including pollsters, knows what RBG's seat will do to the election narrative. The open seat creates a new category of swing voters who think a Republican SCOTUS is more important than their distaste for presidents, but who were planning to vote against Trump (eg middle class Evangelicals who feel betrayed). Both parties have infinite moves they could make around the seat and reacting to each other's moves, but nobody knows the electoral consequences. Mitch McConnell will do whatever it takes to remain Senate Majority Leader For Life.
 
2020-09-20 4:08:28 PM  
On November 4th, a religious nutbag will be confirmed as the 9th judge on the SCOTUS.

This isn't hyperbole. It's just a fact.
 
2020-09-20 4:16:03 PM  

DannyBrandt: On November 4th, a religious nutbag will be confirmed as the 9th judge on the SCOTUS.

This isn't hyperbole. It's just a fact.


This.

Yertle cannot jam a Justice in before the election; not with some Senate races so tight. He's already looking at losing both the Senate and the presidency, and that would be the last nail in both coffins.

If Trump loses, then in the lame-duck session, he will squeeze every drop of venom out of Trump, including putting Offred on the Court.

Assuming, of course, Donnie doesn't ragequit when he loses, or die before then.
 
2020-09-20 4:16:30 PM  
I think the only real conflict here will be based around whether trump let's McConnel pick the nominee as he did with kav and groucho or if trump is feeling the heat enough to want to wade into the process himself and get a judge who is personally loyal to him akin to having Barr as a.g. If trump decides he needs a personal toady then I expect things could look even more weird as Republicans push for a fundie while trump tries to get them to line up behind an authoritarian who will openly swear fealty to trump.

Timing wise it helps McConnel to wait until after the election to vote the judge in but trump may screw that up too if he thinks he needs a toady in place before the election related court cases really start ramping up. There is no doubt in my mind that the Republicans will get someone on the bench by January unless trump loses reelection and refuses to nominate out of spite in order to take his proverbial ball and go home. I think it's more likely that Republicans will convince trump to nominate their pick as a lame duck if they can find someone who promises to help trump avoid the coming legal nightmare if he loses reelection
 
2020-09-20 4:18:04 PM  
one tactic that they should forget about immediately is arguing that it would be hypocritical of McConnell to jam in a new Justice so close to an election.

I could not disagree more strongly. It won't have any effect on Republican senators as such. Embarrassment and shame are foreign concepts to them so don't direct it at them. However voter outrage = high turnout = pantshiatting fear among vulnerable Repubs. Whether or not that will be converted into behavior change is debatable, but threatening Lindsay Ladygraham's job is more effective than trying to make him feel bad about flip flopping for political gain.

The hypocrisy needs to be laid bare and repeated over and over again to the voters.
 
2020-09-20 4:18:57 PM  

janzee: I said this the other day. Trump wants what's good for him so a nomination BEFORE the election looks good for him. OTOH if it looks better for McConnell to do so AFTER the election he'll do that. There's going to be a new judge on the bench before January anyways in spite what Democrats will threaten. What it comes down to is who benefits from the timing the most, Trump or McConnell. Plan for the fallout to be documented on twitter if McConnell doesn't do what Trumpy wants.


It's certainly a timing question, though I do think the impeachment strategy has legs as a way to run out the clock and if Trump tries to get someone moving before the election the Judicial Committee might delay.  Linz is afraid and in charge of that committee.  He has everything to lose, I think, from this happening before the election, because of his past rhetoric and his already weak polling despite his unwavering public support for Trump.  After?  Doesn't matter if he wins or loses, he's going to ram it through.  Tillis is also on the committee and at risk
 
2020-09-20 4:20:52 PM  
I'd like to see Biden "nominate" someone now.  Take all the uncertainty out of it and make the vote literally about the next Supreme Court justice.
 
2020-09-20 4:24:25 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He's just going to wait until after the election. Let this simmer as a possibility for the base, run them to the polls, don't give the normal people in the country a reason to be alarmed, and then ram a justice in whether Trump loses or not.


..He's already given normal people a reason to be alarmed, gleefully announcing he's gonna do it before RBG's body was even cold.
 
2020-09-20 4:27:32 PM  

blastoh: Boondock3806: I don't get it. How does TFA think there's a choice between doing what's right regarding SCOTUS and him staying in power. Being a democracy-murdering Russian puppet is exactly what Kentucky voters want out of him, so one is a means to the other.

That people think McConnell is some kind of "Russian Puppet" dangerously miscalculates what a naturally horrible human being McConnell is.


Well, no. That is "in addition to".
 
2020-09-20 4:32:55 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: That was a really good article.

I agree with it wholeheartedly on these points: nobody, including pollsters, knows what RBG's seat will do to the election narrative. The open seat creates a new category of swing voters who think a Republican SCOTUS is more important than their distaste for presidents, but who were planning to vote against Trump (eg middle class Evangelicals who feel betrayed). Both parties have infinite moves they could make around the seat and reacting to each other's moves, but nobody knows the electoral consequences. Mitch McConnell will do whatever it takes to remain Senate Majority Leader For Life.


Doubtful. Highly doubtful. Anyone who cares enough, is already well aware that RBG wasn't going to make it to 2024. That class of voters was already engaged this election. Again, Trump has his base voting percentage. It's merely a matter of can Republicans disengage, disenfranchise and eliminate enough voters to against him to make it close enough for a contested election.
 
2020-09-20 4:32:57 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: That was a really good article.

I agree with it wholeheartedly on these points: nobody, including pollsters, knows what RBG's seat will do to the election narrative. The open seat creates a new category of swing voters who think a Republican SCOTUS is more important than their distaste for presidents, but who were planning to vote against Trump (eg middle class Evangelicals who feel betrayed). Both parties have infinite moves they could make around the seat and reacting to each other's moves, but nobody knows the electoral consequences. Mitch McConnell will do whatever it takes to remain Senate Majority Leader For Life.


Probably not much. Any voter who was paying attention to the Court already knew what was at stake. Hard to see how this causes someone to change their vote or now, after everything, decides to vote.

At best it will help Democrats raise a lot of money and be able to put more resources into reach states like Georgia.
 
2020-09-20 4:34:09 PM  

geoduck42: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He's just going to wait until after the election. Let this simmer as a possibility for the base, run them to the polls, don't give the normal people in the country a reason to be alarmed, and then ram a justice in whether Trump loses or not.

..He's already given normal people a reason to be alarmed, gleefully announcing he's gonna do it before RBG's body was even cold.


I wish it were true, but it's not. Americans are docile and complacent. If Mitch says he won't do anything until the new term, they'll believe him and go back to sleep.
 
2020-09-20 4:35:29 PM  

nucal: I'd like to see Biden "nominate" someone now.  Take all the uncertainty out of it and make the vote literally about the next Supreme Court justice.


He doesn't have to.  He has more power with the whole 'when I'm president' angle and giving a name just gives the GOP more shiat to hang on him.   I say let it be left up to the imaginations of people who want Democrats to win.

Meanwhile, stop funding the government.  Pelosi can do that until the election.
 
2020-09-20 4:38:46 PM  
Where the vacancy changes the landscape is down ballot and in those tight senate races. Those Republicans are now the ones that are on the hot seat and what they do will go a long way towards shaping the next few years. I predict those senators go right along with the appointment process, get blown out in November and appoint the next judge some time in early December to massive protests. Outgoing majority leader McConnell sets up the senate with as many roadblocks as possible and spends the next 2 years placing secret holds on every piece of legislation possible.
 
2020-09-20 4:39:43 PM  

mathamagical: I think the only real conflict here will be based around whether trump let's McConnel pick the nominee as he did with kav and groucho or if trump is feeling the heat enough to want to wade into the process himself and get a judge who is personally loyal to him akin to having Barr as a.g. If trump decides he needs a personal toady then I expect things could look even more weird as Republicans push for a fundie while trump tries to get them to line up behind an authoritarian who will openly swear fealty to trump.

Timing wise it helps McConnel to wait until after the election to vote the judge in but trump may screw that up too if he thinks he needs a toady in place before the election related court cases really start ramping up. There is no doubt in my mind that the Republicans will get someone on the bench by January unless trump loses reelection and refuses to nominate out of spite in order to take his proverbial ball and go home. I think it's more likely that Republicans will convince trump to nominate their pick as a lame duck if they can find someone who promises to help trump avoid the coming legal nightmare if he loses reelection


That makes no sense. If Trump loses and they do this during the lame duck, that provides Democrats a ton of cover with Independents to pack the Court. And, Mark Kelly could be seated by the end of November giving Dems enough votes to block this.
 
2020-09-20 4:42:32 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: geoduck42: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: He's just going to wait until after the election. Let this simmer as a possibility for the base, run them to the polls, don't give the normal people in the country a reason to be alarmed, and then ram a justice in whether Trump loses or not.

..He's already given normal people a reason to be alarmed, gleefully announcing he's gonna do it before RBG's body was even cold.

I wish it were true, but it's not. Americans are docile and complacent. If Mitch says he won't do anything until the new term, they'll believe him and go back to sleep.

Somebody's

not being docile and complacent. Since Moscow Mitch's announcement, Democratic fundraising has been through the roof..
 
2020-09-20 4:46:54 PM  

blastoh: Boondock3806: I don't get it. How does TFA think there's a choice between doing what's right regarding SCOTUS and him staying in power. Being a democracy-murdering Russian puppet is exactly what Kentucky voters want out of him, so one is a means to the other.

That people think McConnell is some kind of "Russian Puppet" dangerously miscalculates what a naturally horrible human being McConnell is.


Pretty much this. Several senators are Russian puppets (Ron Johnson comes to mind), but McConnell? Yeah, he's taking Russian money, but while Vlad thinks he's using McConnell, McConnell knows that he is using Vlad. Since their goals are basically the same, it's more of a marriage of convenience. Moscow Mitch is a special kind of evil.
 
2020-09-20 4:53:37 PM  
It's gonna be real farking interesting to wait and see if a trump nominates someone Monday.  I feel like it's gonna be Monday at 9 am.  "Slavey McRebflag is our nominee, get it done."
 
2020-09-20 4:55:51 PM  

blastoh: Boondock3806: I don't get it. How does TFA think there's a choice between doing what's right regarding SCOTUS and him staying in power. Being a democracy-murdering Russian puppet is exactly what Kentucky voters want out of him, so one is a means to the other.

That people think McConnell is some kind of "Russian Puppet" dangerously miscalculates what a naturally horrible human being McConnell is.


One does not preclude the other. In fact his inherent horribleness means being a Russian Stooge just makes that much more sense.

He will sell out to anyone that meets his price and even then it will only last as long as it lets him be horrible or he finds something more profitable.
 
2020-09-20 5:20:22 PM  
McConnell will puit to a vote unless there is no chance it will pass.

Right now it seems unlikely the confirmation vote will pass.
 
2020-09-20 6:25:25 PM  

bdub77: I think we need to change

"When they go low we go high"
to
"When they go low, rip out their nutsacks and shove them in their mouths."


So much for the tolerant left.

/s
 
2020-09-20 6:31:18 PM  

blastoh: Boondock3806: I don't get it. How does TFA think there's a choice between doing what's right regarding SCOTUS and him staying in power. Being a democracy-murdering Russian puppet is exactly what Kentucky voters want out of him, so one is a means to the other.

That people think McConnell is some kind of "Russian Puppet" dangerously miscalculates what a naturally horrible human being McConnell is.


Oh, he's no goddamned puppet.  He's more than willing to sell out the nation so long as a. he gets paid handsomely and b. he holds onto power with an iron grip.

It's possible that in his early days as a senator, he may have actually given a damn, but it's doubtful.  He's just about always been about accumulating as much wealth and power as he could.
 
2020-09-20 7:51:05 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Assuming, of course, Donnie doesn't ragequit when he loses, or die before then.


I suspect he will decide on a goodwill tour of all of his favorite dictators, only to discover they don't love him now that he's on the outs.

AKA any country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the USA.
 
2020-09-20 7:56:47 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: nucal: I'd like to see Biden "nominate" someone now.  Take all the uncertainty out of it and make the vote literally about the next Supreme Court justice.

He doesn't have to.  He has more power with the whole 'when I'm president' angle and giving a name just gives the GOP more shiat to hang on him.   I say let it be left up to the imaginations of people who want Democrats to win.

Meanwhile, stop funding the government.  Pelosi can do that until the election.


During a Pandemic? Not a great political move.
 
2020-09-20 8:11:46 PM  

whosits_112: bdub77: I think we need to change

"When they go low we go high"
to
"When they go low, rip out their nutsacks and shove them in their mouths."

So much for the tolerant left.

/s


Fark off with that BS. Such a stupid, lazy comment.  So by tolerance, you mean just sit Back and let it happen.  Sorry,  just because liberals act in good faith doesn't mean we
will continue to do so when it is obvious, the other side is keeps bringing guns to a knife tight.


/so sick of the liberals are po$$ies myth
//also sick of the liberals don't own guns myth
/// WE DO
 
2020-09-20 8:24:36 PM  

Wing Kong Exchange Day Trader: whosits_112: bdub77: I think we need to change

"When they go low we go high"
to
"When they go low, rip out their nutsacks and shove them in their mouths."

So much for the tolerant left.

/s

Fark off with that BS. Such a stupid, lazy comment.  So by tolerance, you mean just sit Back and let it happen.  Sorry,  just because liberals act in good faith doesn't mean we
will continue to do so when it is obvious, the other side is keeps bringing guns to a knife tight.


/so sick of the liberals are po$$ies myth
//also sick of the liberals don't own guns myth
/// WE DO


Notice the /s

I was being sarcastic. Imitating the moron right wingers who say dumb shiat like that anytime a liberal sounds forceful.
 
2020-09-20 10:00:19 PM  

whosits_112: Wing Kong Exchange Day Trader: whosits_112: bdub77: I think we need to change

"When they go low we go high"
to
"When they go low, rip out their nutsacks and shove them in their mouths."

So much for the tolerant left.

/s

Fark off with that BS. Such a stupid, lazy comment.  So by tolerance, you mean just sit Back and let it happen.  Sorry,  just because liberals act in good faith doesn't mean we
will continue to do so when it is obvious, the other side is keeps bringing guns to a knife tight.


/so sick of the liberals are po$$ies myth
//also sick of the liberals don't own guns myth
/// WE DO

Notice the /s

I was being sarcastic. Imitating the moron right wingers who say dumb shiat like that anytime a liberal sounds forceful.


Did not see that.  My Apologies.
 
2020-09-21 12:12:41 AM  

Wing Kong Exchange Day Trader: Did not see that.  My Apologies.


He edited it after he saw your gun. Good work.
 
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