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2020-09-19 9:19:29 PM  
Warning: Too Lazy to write even one sentence plot summary for most of them.  Some of us like Star Trek but we don't live off the damn episode names.
 
2020-09-19 9:43:32 PM  
Well, one Star Trek episode and 9 spin off episodes
 
2020-09-19 9:55:45 PM  
Don't bother giving them 9 clicks, I did it for you:

10. TOS "Plato's Stepchildren" - The one where Kirk kisses Uhura, for being (not quite) America's TV's first interracial kiss.

9. TNG "The High Ground" - For portraying terrorism in a sympathetic light, and being banned on the Irish government-owned TV channel.

8. TNG "Shades of Grey" - For being a shiatty clipshow.

7. LDS "Second Contact" - For...not being a 10/10 episode, seems to be what this clickbait site is saying.

6. DS9 "Rejoined" - For the lesbian kiss.

5. VOY "Threshold" - Self-explanatory.

4. ENT "These Are the Voyages..." - Self-explanatory.

3. TNG "The Outcast" - For being a really terrible, hamfisted attempt to do an LGBTQ+ story.

2. ENT "Dear Doctor" - For the characters letting genocide happen just to follow the proto-Prime Directive rules.

1. PIC "Stardust City Rag" - For the gruesome violence.

You're welcome.
 
2020-09-19 9:56:25 PM  
Any list like this without "Move Along Home" is a fake list....
 
2020-09-19 9:57:02 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Don't bother giving them 9 clicks, I did it for you:

10. TOS "Plato's Stepchildren" - The one where Kirk kisses Uhura, for being (not quite) America's TV's first interracial kiss.


God dammit.

*American TV's
 
2020-09-19 10:23:45 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: 5. VOY "Threshold" - Self-explanatory.


I was going to make a joke about the kind of people who actually get mad at Star Trek episodes, but then I remembered that I saw this one on TV, and it really did piss me off.

Specifically, the idea that someone's evolution could rapidly accelerate, as if our future speciation was somehow already stored in our genes, and evolving was just a matter of running the molecules faster.   It was such an insanely illiterate understanding of evolution that I wanted to punch the television.
 
2020-09-19 10:31:48 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: 1. PIC "Stardust City Rag" - For the gruesome violence.


Please... Bjayzl's death is very satisfying. Icheb's implant removal was maybe a little gratuitously sucky noisy, but the whole point of the later violence.
 
2020-09-19 10:38:00 PM  
Also impressed there is a Lower Decks episode and not a Disco.. That all by itself would have a few "fans" losing their tiny minds just as soon as this goes live.
 
2020-09-19 10:45:03 PM  
Just the idea of the slideshow annoys me
 
2020-09-19 10:48:45 PM  
If we're going to deal with the worst episode of any incarnation of Trek, even soft canon sources like Lower Decks and TAS and divergent canon sources like Prime and Kelvin then the worst episode of all is "Shades Of Grey".

Both Spock's Brain and Threshold were terrible episodes, no argument, but they still told a story. The same story they told could have been told and been a good story just by changing the writing and directing choices a little. You could still have a story where someone stole Spock's brain to use it as a computer and not have it be the silly mess that Spock's brain was. You could still have a story where Tom Paris breaks the Warp 10 barrier with terrible, body horror results and not have it be the silly mess that Threshold was. Better writing, better directing and you could save those stories.Shades of Grey didn't have a good story. Riker stubs his toe, goes to sickbay and watches clips from past episodes of TNG. That was essentially the entire story. It was nothing but a clip-show and clip-shows suck because they're so weak on the story side. They're basically Chris Farley's SNL character going "Remember that time when... ...that was awesome". I have only ever seen one clip-show I've enjoyed and that was in Martian Successor Nadesico. The series was a sci-fi mix of action and comedy and they put together a clip-show so funny by basically breaking the 4rth wall and telling the audience "fark I hate clip-shows" and then just giving us a wonderful send-up of the clip-show format.Every single Star Trek stinker could have been saved and maintained the overall story just by changing the writing and direction in key places. Every episode except "Shades of Grey" that is because a clip-show just does not work in Star Trek, granted it might work in a soft-canon show like Lower-Decks where you could have the character break the fourth wall and deliver a clip-show send-up, but I haven't seen Lower-Decks so I'm not sure. The very concept of "Shades of Grey" was flawed from start to finish, the writing and directing could not save it because there was nothing there to save. It was nothing more than a clip-show.Spock's Brain, for example could have been fixed with a number of small changes but still maintaining the overall story. I would have had an away team of Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty investigating a planet that showed signs of having once had an advanced technological society that had collapsed. The team is over powered and when they wake up Spock is lying there with the weird headgear on. McCoy examines him and finds the headgear was used to keep his body alive while his brain was removed. They believe him to be dead but Spock is able to reach them on their communicators basically just to tell them "I don't know where I am, but I'm still alive". Scotty and McCoy come up with a way to modify McCoy's medical tricorder to control Spock's body through the life support system that's attached to Spock's brain stem keeping his body alive. They then go off in search of Spock's brain in the hope that they can somehow restore it to his body. That small change alone would have removed so much of the silliness.Every controller when it senses its death coming searches for the best candidate to replace it that is in the immediate area. Spock's arrival presented an opportunity for this biological computer to upgrade itself and that's why he was picked over the usual locally sourced brain. Everything else could remain more or less the same. A mentally regressed society, divided by sex, that became too dependent on their machines and could no longer repair or even understand their function without the aid of the Teacher. Spock's Brain wouldn't have been the best TOS episode but it wouldn't have been the worst one either, just by making a few small changes.Threshold could have been saved if they left evolution completely out of it. Every time Star Trek tries to tell an evolution story I just end up yelling at the screen EVOLUTION DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!!!Instead of Paris fast forwarding through evolutionary changes - EVOLUTION DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY - it turns out breaking the Warp 10 threshold creates a rift to another dimension, one filled with horrible eldritch abominations (from our perspective of course, they probably think we're the horrors). These other dimensional beings begin to turn Paris into one of them. Now you've preserved the body horror element of the story. Why are they transmuting Paris into one of them? So they can communicate with us. What do they communicate? "Stay the fark out of our dimension and we'll leave you alone, do it again and there will be horrible consequences".There we go. The body horror story is preserved and there's now a very good reason why Voyager just doesn't use the Warp 10 to get home and then de-lizardify the crew when they get back. You don't break Warp 10 because the beings on the other side of that threshold will unleash unspeakable horrors upon you if you do.And best of all, there's no need to have Janeway raped (seriously... the fark!?).There was nothing you could do to save "Shades Of Grey" other than completely rewrite it so it wasn't a farking clip-show.
 
2020-09-19 10:51:47 PM  
And yes, I know that "Shades Of Grey" was written under protest to fulfill a contractual obligation to deliver an episode during a writer's strike, but none of that excuses it for being what is the worst episode in any incarnation of Trek.
 
2020-09-19 10:54:26 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: 2. ENT "Dear Doctor" - For the characters letting genocide happen just to follow the proto-Prime Directive rules.


That wasn't even the biggest sin of that episode. It was yet another episode dealing with evolution that made me scream "EVOLUTION DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY" at my TV. Seriously, the way Trek deals with evolution always makes me suspect it is secretly anti-evolution creationist propaganda to make people go "evolution is stupid".
 
2020-09-19 10:55:53 PM  
Also, "Code Of Honour" could have been saved just by not hiring a farking racist as your director and sticking to the script as it was written.
 
2020-09-19 10:57:10 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Don't bother giving them 9 clicks, I did it for you:

10. TOS "Plato's Stepchildren" - The one where Kirk kisses Uhura, for being (not quite) America's TV's first interracial kiss.

9. TNG "The High Ground" - For portraying terrorism in a sympathetic light, and being banned on the Irish government-owned TV channel.

8. TNG "Shades of Grey" - For being a shiatty clipshow.

7. LDS "Second Contact" - For...not being a 10/10 episode, seems to be what this clickbait site is saying.

6. DS9 "Rejoined" - For the lesbian kiss.

5. VOY "Threshold" - Self-explanatory.

4. ENT "These Are the Voyages..." - Self-explanatory.

3. TNG "The Outcast" - For being a really terrible, hamfisted attempt to do an LGBTQ+ story.

2. ENT "Dear Doctor" - For the characters letting genocide happen just to follow the proto-Prime Directive rules.

1. PIC "Stardust City Rag" - For the gruesome violence.

You're welcome.


Homer Simpson - Nerd!!
Youtube i6l8MFdTaPE


/sigh
//Still need to watch TNG
 
2020-09-19 11:01:10 PM  

Ghastly: If we're going to deal with the worst episode of any incarnation of Trek, even soft canon sources like Lower Decks and TAS and divergent canon sources like Prime and Kelvin then the worst episode of all is "Shades Of Grey".

Both Spock's Brain and Threshold were terrible episodes, no argument, but they still told a story. The same story they told could have been told and been a good story just by changing the writing and directing choices a little. You could still have a story where someone stole Spock's brain to use it as a computer and not have it be the silly mess that Spock's brain was. You could still have a story where Tom Paris breaks the Warp 10 barrier with terrible, body horror results and not have it be the silly mess that Threshold was. Better writing, better directing and you could save those stories.Shades of Grey didn't have a good story. Riker stubs his toe, goes to sickbay and watches clips from past episodes of TNG. That was essentially the entire story. It was nothing but a clip-show and clip-shows suck because they're so weak on the story side. They're basically Chris Farley's SNL character going "Remember that time when... ...that was awesome". I have only ever seen one clip-show I've enjoyed and that was in Martian Successor Nadesico. The series was a sci-fi mix of action and comedy and they put together a clip-show so funny by basically breaking the 4rth wall and telling the audience "fark I hate clip-shows" and then just giving us a wonderful send-up of the clip-show format.Every single Star Trek stinker could have been saved and maintained the overall story just by changing the writing and direction in key places. Every episode except "Shades of Grey" that is because a clip-show just does not work in Star Trek, granted it might work in a soft-canon show like Lower-Decks where you could have the character break the fourth wall and deliver a clip-show send-up, but I haven't seen Lower-Decks so I'm not sure. The very concept of "Shades of Grey" ...


Good god wall o' text alert!
 
2020-09-19 11:02:06 PM  

cman: Good god wall o' text alert!


Yeah, sorry about that, all my paragraph breaks gotten eaten somehow when I posted it.
 
2020-09-19 11:41:08 PM  
Nearly all those episodes "upset" people because they were slamming ass with the "wrong" people. Lesbian plowing, interracial plowing, subordinate plowing,etc.

Yet... not a single person is upset that the holodeck exists to create a bunch of lifeless things the crew can pump their loads into. Why do you think it was coming to life to kill them all the time?

They really must've done a number on that Sherlock Holmes guy...
 
2020-09-19 11:52:07 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Nearly all those episodes "upset" people because they were slamming ass with the "wrong" people. Lesbian plowing, interracial plowing, subordinate plowing,etc.

Yet... not a single person is upset that the holodeck exists to create a bunch of lifeless things the crew can pump their loads into. Why do you think it was coming to life to kill them all the time?

They really must've done a number on that Sherlock Holmes guy...


This sort-of is a point. The episode with Jordi creating a fantasy Dr. helper whose actual human eventually discovers her holodeck doppelganger is an episode that should be on this list.
 
2020-09-20 12:10:57 AM  

Ghastly: And yes, I know that "Shades Of Grey" was written under protest to fulfill a contractual obligation to deliver an episode during a writer's strike, but none of that excuses it for being what is the worst episode in any incarnation of Trek.


I would prefer one episode of "Shades of Grey" to come out of that writers' strike than the unholy abomination that is unscripted "Reality TV".
 
2020-09-20 12:23:49 AM  

sno man: Cubansaltyballs: Nearly all those episodes "upset" people because they were slamming ass with the "wrong" people. Lesbian plowing, interracial plowing, subordinate plowing,etc.

Yet... not a single person is upset that the holodeck exists to create a bunch of lifeless things the crew can pump their loads into. Why do you think it was coming to life to kill them all the time?

They really must've done a number on that Sherlock Holmes guy...

This sort-of is a point. The episode with Jordi creating a fantasy Dr. helper whose actual human eventually discovers her holodeck doppelganger is an episode that should be on this list.


Oh, you know he banged her. She knows he banged her. It's the entire subtext of the episode that he totally banged her.

If you go back and binge watch any of the star trek series with the idea that the holodeck is little more than the galaxy's most elaborate flesh-light, you'll pick up some clues. In VOY Harry and Tom are always talking about a new program with "slave girls from planet Gazapazorp" or whatever. Qaurk is basically a holo-pimp, and Riker gets bored slamming holo-ass that he goes after every alien gash in the quadrant.

After watching ALL the series again during this covid bullshiat, I've come to a simple conclusion... Star Trek is not about "exploring the cosmos" or any of that bullshiat. It's a cruise. Basically a bang-bus.

When money no longer matters, slamming ass becomes the only the currency that matters.
 
2020-09-20 1:20:18 AM  

Ghastly: cman: Good god wall o' text alert!

Yeah, sorry about that, all my paragraph breaks gotten eaten somehow when I posted it.


It's the never to be fixed "Fark Format GremlinTM".

It will even strike after preview.
 
2020-09-20 1:30:03 AM  

Recoil Therapy: Any list like this without "Move Along Home" is a fake list....


Great, now I have that stupid Allamaraine song stuck in my head.
 
2020-09-20 1:31:17 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: sno man: Cubansaltyballs: Nearly all those episodes "upset" people because they were slamming ass with the "wrong" people. Lesbian plowing, interracial plowing, subordinate plowing,etc.

Yet... not a single person is upset that the holodeck exists to create a bunch of lifeless things the crew can pump their loads into. Why do you think it was coming to life to kill them all the time?

They really must've done a number on that Sherlock Holmes guy...

This sort-of is a point. The episode with Jordi creating a fantasy Dr. helper whose actual human eventually discovers her holodeck doppelganger is an episode that should be on this list.

Oh, you know he banged her. She knows he banged her. It's the entire subtext of the episode that he totally banged her.

If you go back and binge watch any of the star trek series with the idea that the holodeck is little more than the galaxy's most elaborate flesh-light, you'll pick up some clues. In VOY Harry and Tom are always talking about a new program with "slave girls from planet Gazapazorp" or whatever. Qaurk is basically a holo-pimp, and Riker gets bored slamming holo-ass that he goes after every alien gash in the quadrant.

After watching ALL the series again during this covid bullshiat, I've come to a simple conclusion... Star Trek is not about "exploring the cosmos" or any of that bullshiat. It's a cruise. Basically a bang-bus.

When money no longer matters, slamming ass becomes the only the currency that matters.


I just watched the Lower Decks episodes to date and they very clearly reference what the holodeck is mostly used for.
 
2020-09-20 1:38:18 AM  

DoctorWhat: I just watched the Lower Decks episodes to date and they very clearly reference what the holodeck is mostly used for.


Did you like Encounter at Farpoint?
 
2020-09-20 1:43:57 AM  

ZMugg: Ghastly: cman: Good god wall o' text alert!

Yeah, sorry about that, all my paragraph breaks gotten eaten somehow when I posted it.

It's the never to be fixed "Fark Format GremlinTM".

It will even strike after preview.


I was thinking it was because I might have been hitting shift-return due to a brain fart making me think I was replying to a comment on facebook.
 
2020-09-20 1:46:42 AM  

DoctorWhat: Cubansaltyballs: sno man: Cubansaltyballs: Nearly all those episodes "upset" people because they were slamming ass with the "wrong" people. Lesbian plowing, interracial plowing, subordinate plowing,etc.

Yet... not a single person is upset that the holodeck exists to create a bunch of lifeless things the crew can pump their loads into. Why do you think it was coming to life to kill them all the time?

They really must've done a number on that Sherlock Holmes guy...

This sort-of is a point. The episode with Jordi creating a fantasy Dr. helper whose actual human eventually discovers her holodeck doppelganger is an episode that should be on this list.

Oh, you know he banged her. She knows he banged her. It's the entire subtext of the episode that he totally banged her.

If you go back and binge watch any of the star trek series with the idea that the holodeck is little more than the galaxy's most elaborate flesh-light, you'll pick up some clues. In VOY Harry and Tom are always talking about a new program with "slave girls from planet Gazapazorp" or whatever. Qaurk is basically a holo-pimp, and Riker gets bored slamming holo-ass that he goes after every alien gash in the quadrant.

After watching ALL the series again during this covid bullshiat, I've come to a simple conclusion... Star Trek is not about "exploring the cosmos" or any of that bullshiat. It's a cruise. Basically a bang-bus.

When money no longer matters, slamming ass becomes the only the currency that matters.

I just watched the Lower Decks episodes to date and they very clearly reference what the holodeck is mostly used for.


It's an interesting thing to think about. What happens to a society once "perfect" virtual reality is a thing? Is that the endpoint of civilization? Perfect virtual reality would almost certainly require genuine artificial intelligence systems to run, too. Would those artificial intelligences also "use" virtual reality?

Would anyone live in the real world ever again? And if so, why?
 
2020-09-20 1:55:40 AM  

syrynxx: Ghastly: And yes, I know that "Shades Of Grey" was written under protest to fulfill a contractual obligation to deliver an episode during a writer's strike, but none of that excuses it for being what is the worst episode in any incarnation of Trek.

I would prefer one episode of "Shades of Grey" to come out of that writers' strike than the unholy abomination that is unscripted "Reality TV".


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2020-09-20 2:14:19 AM  
I was always upset with what Trek didn't do than what it did do. They triedto do LGBT stuff, but the few times they did it just felt like someone involved in the production was uncomfortable with it and tried to de-gay it as much as possible. 

Though I remain amazed that a show like The Next Generation was so popular, and managed to be a space opera that tossed in enough stuff to please the people who don't normally do sci-fi. So I can understand that there was also the pressure to not rock the boat too much.......but come on. It's sci-fi. It's made to rock boats.
 
2020-09-20 2:18:36 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Don't bother giving them 9 clicks, I did it for you:

10. TOS "Plato's Stepchildren" - The one where Kirk kisses Uhura, for being (not quite) America's TV's first interracial kiss.

9. TNG "The High Ground" - For portraying terrorism in a sympathetic light, and being banned on the Irish government-owned TV channel.

8. TNG "Shades of Grey" - For being a shiatty clipshow.

7. LDS "Second Contact" - For...not being a 10/10 episode, seems to be what this clickbait site is saying.

6. DS9 "Rejoined" - For the lesbian kiss.

5. VOY "Threshold" - Self-explanatory.

4. ENT "These Are the Voyages..." - Self-explanatory.

3. TNG "The Outcast" - For being a really terrible, hamfisted attempt to do an LGBTQ+ story.

2. ENT "Dear Doctor" - For the characters letting genocide happen just to follow the proto-Prime Directive rules.

1. PIC "Stardust City Rag" - For the gruesome violence.

You're welcome.


All hail the chosen nerd.
 
2020-09-20 2:19:35 AM  

realmolo: It's an interesting thing to think about. What happens to a society once "perfect" virtual reality is a thing? Is that the endpoint of civilization? Perfect virtual reality would almost certainly require genuine artificial intelligence systems to run, too. Would those artificial intelligences also "use" virtual reality?

Would anyone live in the real world ever again? And if so, why?


I mean... if i could plow basically anyone I wanted, I'm not sure I'd really try that hard.

But that's the entire subtext of Star Trek, i think. Well... money is dead . And what's the point of money? To accumulate things or afford things so you can get laid.

If you want to get rid of money and the need for money, you have to first create some way for people aspire to get laid.

So if I had to work my balls off to land a job in starfleet as a way to get plow holo-vaj and maybe get some alien strange along the way? Then yeah... I'd have something to work at.

Starfleet is basically the Navy. And why do people join the Navy? To plow some high school chick they knew or to travel the world and plow chicks there. Also to make some money so they can afford to have a life of slamming-ass. Long story short... take away the money and the only recruitment tool is the holodeck.
 
2020-09-20 2:28:10 AM  
I thought about watching that new lower decks show, but it seems kind of lame.

Are they gonna introduce us to the holodeck guy that wipes down the loads only for him to be killed when the captain tries to be nice to a psychopathic alien race that decided to carve a section of the ship up?

Are we gonna meet the guy whose basically the sysadmin of the holodeck and has to reprogram all the characters after that one dude when to the holodeck and raped and murdered the whole cast and now they're all traumatized?

Actually.. I think I could write an episode about that guy. He'd be so fed up with "fixing" the holodeck after some senior crew member went all Westworld on the holodeck characters and my character was so farked up with the herculean job that he missed one. He missed Sherlock Holmes, who rumors say got the worst of it when Riker went on a bender and *really* put it to the dude who acted all smart and shiat.
 
2020-09-20 2:28:54 AM  

realmolo: It's an interesting thing to think about. What happens to a society once "perfect" virtual reality is a thing? Is that the endpoint of civilization? Perfect virtual reality would almost certainly require genuine artificial intelligence systems to run, too. Would those artificial intelligences also "use" virtual reality?

Would anyone live in the real world ever again? And if so, why?


As the Moriarity episode proved, the real world wouldn't need us because the holograms could run it better. The whole threat of that story came from a simple error in setting the game difficulty. The big twist (SPOILER so old it's SPOILED) is that instead of requesting an opponent smart enough to beat Sherlock Holmes, the role Data was playing, they ask for an opponent that could outthink Data himself, and the machine obligingly complies by conjuring up a supergenius AI that threatens the entire ship. If the holodeck can instantly whip up smarter, more capable crewmembers on command, the regular old crew is unnecessary, especially since Voyager showed that holograms can interact with the real world just as well as anyone, and they're not prone to death or disease or much of anything really. In real life, the holograms would be put to work doing all the managing and building and exploring, and all the humans would end up trapped forever in their illusion boxes, just like the bigheaded aliens in the very first Trek episode said we would.

Now that is some longterm foreshadowing.
 
2020-09-20 2:33:15 AM  

Xcott: NeedlesslyCanadian: 5. VOY "Threshold" - Self-explanatory.

I was going to make a joke about the kind of people who actually get mad at Star Trek episodes, but then I remembered that I saw this one on TV, and it really did piss me off.

Specifically, the idea that someone's evolution could rapidly accelerate, as if our future speciation was somehow already stored in our genes, and evolving was just a matter of running the molecules faster.   It was such an insanely illiterate understanding of evolution that I wanted to punch the television.


Better or worse than TNG's "Genesis" where Barclay turns into a freaking SPIDER?
 
2020-09-20 2:34:20 AM  
There was one episode of TNG, and I can't remember the exact one. But Famke Jansens as some alien slam-piece comes on board and is totally into Riker. She's like the galaxy's biggest tease, or something.

Anyway... after she pulls the ripcord and Riker knows he can't bang her, he's clearly distressed and totally horned up when he tells someone "If anyone needs me, I'll be in holodeck 2"

Clearly Riker went there to pump some loads into some lifeless hologram.

I'm thoroughly fascinated with the massive group of programmers that have to write the holodeck characters. What are their meetings like? Do they have a standing meeting on Wednesdays to go over all the bug reports? Do they ever have a problem where some dude writes all the vaj algorithms as too tight, too loose, etc?

I should get out my storyboard and just write this episode before I blab it all to you mfers.
 
2020-09-20 2:41:22 AM  

syrynxx: Ghastly: And yes, I know that "Shades Of Grey" was written under protest to fulfill a contractual obligation to deliver an episode during a writer's strike, but none of that excuses it for being what is the worst episode in any incarnation of Trek.

I would prefer one episode of "Shades of Grey" to come out of that writers' strike than the unholy abomination that is unscripted "Reality TV".


Except that reality TV was due to the a WGA strike is pretty much entirely a myth. Neither the 1988 nor the 2007/8 strikes had that much of an impact on reality TV (the 2007/8 strike did have a temporary increase in reality TV, but nothing long term).

In terms of 1988, reality TV wasn't unheard of before and certainly not a massive thing after other than a couple specific shows. You can only really credit the strike with COPS and its copycats.

The dominating position of reality TV in the market came in the early 2000s with Survivor, Big Brother, Amazing Race, Extreme Makeover, Idol, the Osbournes, Newlyweds, The Bachelor, and far more premiering (in the US) from 2000 to 2002. And in many of these cases, they were imported from Europe where the US writers strike of 1988 was irrelevant.
 
2020-09-20 2:42:20 AM  

EdgeRunner: If the holodeck can instantly whip up smarter, more capable crewmembers on command, the regular old crew is unnecessary


First of all...
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The ENTIRE point of having a crew is to keep the warp-capable spaceship with the holographic fleshlights running.

The ENTIRE point of the holodeck was to have a basically guiltless brothel.
 
2020-09-20 2:50:15 AM  

EdgeRunner: If the holodeck can instantly whip up smarter, more capable crewmembers on command, the regular old crew is unnecessary, especially since Voyager showed that holograms can interact with the real world just as well as anyone, and they're not prone to death or disease or much of anything really.


See Picard, where the entire (private, not Star Fleet) ship is operated by holograms with just a human commander.
 
2020-09-20 2:54:21 AM  
Jesus farking Christ
I came back to say the Family Guy episode was on and I read the thread and what the everloving fark?


// I lol'd
 
2020-09-20 2:58:54 AM  
Everything about Lower Decks has been pretty good except the two main characters.  The episode with Division 14 hiding away all the weird medical accidents in Star Fleet in particular was pretty amusing.  They even had a reference to that Voyager episode.
 
2020-09-20 3:01:12 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: EdgeRunner: If the holodeck can instantly whip up smarter, more capable crewmembers on command, the regular old crew is unnecessary

First of all...
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The ENTIRE point of having a crew is to keep the warp-capable spaceship with the holographic fleshlights running.

The ENTIRE point of the holodeck was to have a basically guiltless brothel.


Nope. Redundant systems independent of the main ship that produced holo-engineers would be far more efficient at keeping the ship running. No need for food, sleep, plumbing, or life support unless they had guests aboard.

And if the holodeck was solely built for sex, the default hologram doctor wouldn't look anything like this:
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She'd look like this:
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Except more naked. And possibly green.
 
2020-09-20 3:10:37 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: There was one episode of TNG, and I can't remember the exact one. But Famke Jansens as some alien slam-piece comes on board and is totally into Riker. She's like the galaxy's biggest tease, or something.

Anyway... after she pulls the ripcord and Riker knows he can't bang her, he's clearly distressed and totally horned up when he tells someone "If anyone needs me, I'll be in holodeck 2"

Clearly Riker went there to pump some loads into some lifeless hologram.

I'm thoroughly fascinated with the massive group of programmers that have to write the holodeck characters. What are their meetings like? Do they have a standing meeting on Wednesdays to go over all the bug reports? Do they ever have a problem where some dude writes all the vaj algorithms as too tight, too loose, etc?

I should get out my storyboard and just write this episode before I blab it all to you mfers.


"The Perfect Mate" - season 5, episode 21.

I remember years ago reading something here on FARK about the need for holodeck jizz moppers. Since that stuff isn't artificially created by the program, it doesn't disappear once the program shuts off, right?
 
2020-09-20 3:11:39 AM  

EdgeRunner: Nope. Redundant systems independent of the main ship that produced holo-engineers would be far more efficient at keeping the ship running. No need for food, sleep, plumbing, or life support unless they had guests aboard.

And if the holodeck was solely built for sex, the default hologram doctor wouldn't look anything like this:
weekendnotes.comView Full Size


She'd look like this:
Fark user imageView Full Size


Except more naked. And possibly green.


Your first point was right, but after that... still wrong.

you see, they need to give off the *illusion* that it's about space and travel and exploration. Same way we talk about our military as "service" and "patriotic duty" when it's mostly about getting out of whatever small town they're in, making enough as a PFC to keep your girl happy so she doesn't slam ass with that other dude.

The whole thing is a facade. Remove the holodecks from every starfleet ship and watch recruitment go to zero. Leave the holodecks but put in rules about plowing the grams and recruitment still goes to zero.
 
2020-09-20 3:16:12 AM  

cyberspacedout: "The Perfect Mate" - season 5, episode 21.

I remember years ago reading something here on FARK about the need for holodeck jizz moppers. Since that stuff isn't artificially created by the program, it doesn't disappear once the program shuts off, right?


There's a dude on that ship, probably a weird looking alien, and his entire job is to wipe down the loads.

Also... how come no one hasn't mentioned how f-ing racist Star Trek was. Every series paints the humans, and mostly white humans except Sisco, as basically the supreme rulers of the galaxy. Look... they were not the toughest, smartest, fastest, best at ANYTHING, yet the entire Star Trek universe made them out to the be the FINAL LEVEL of concurring the galaxy.

In TNG/DS9/VOY each show introduced at least TEN different races/species that could conquer and subjugate every human in the quadrant.
 
2020-09-20 3:29:39 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: EdgeRunner: If the holodeck can instantly whip up smarter, more capable crewmembers on command, the regular old crew is unnecessary

First of all...
[media1.tenor.com image 360x202]

The ENTIRE point of having a crew is to keep the warp-capable spaceship with the holographic fleshlights running.

The ENTIRE point of the holodeck was to have a basically guiltless brothel.


At least DS9 admitted it.
 
2020-09-20 3:38:59 AM  

Flappyhead: At least DS9 admitted it.


Because they had the guts to put a black man in charge. All the other series had some whitebread mfer who was intent on keeping the facade intact that it was about exploration or some shiat.

Try this as an experiment...

Watch Star Trek Voyager. All of them.

Janeway is a lesbian. In the closet. She piked up vibes from Seven and tried to save her. If you know lesbians, you'll know why this makes sense. For whatever reason, they move fast, yo. They're like moving in after 4 dates and shiat.

The point is, watch the series with that in the back of your mind and like 95% of Janeway's inexplicable connection/reverence/bond to Seven will be so much clearer. All the holodeck time where they're competing and all the times Janeway gets upset wen something happens to Seven, etc... it all makes sense if you view it through the lens of Seven being Janeway's girlfriend.
 
2020-09-20 3:41:13 AM  

Flappyhead: Cubansaltyballs: EdgeRunner: If the holodeck can instantly whip up smarter, more capable crewmembers on command, the regular old crew is unnecessary

First of all...
[media1.tenor.com image 360x202]

The ENTIRE point of having a crew is to keep the warp-capable spaceship with the holographic fleshlights running.

The ENTIRE point of the holodeck was to have a basically guiltless brothel.

At least DS9 admitted it.


The Holosuites were run by Quark and, as any Ferengi will tell you, sex sells.
 
2020-09-20 3:42:45 AM  
There were only ten episodes of Star Trek Discovery?
 
2020-09-20 3:45:53 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: EdgeRunner: Nope. Redundant systems independent of the main ship that produced holo-engineers would be far more efficient at keeping the ship running. No need for food, sleep, plumbing, or life support unless they had guests aboard.

And if the holodeck was solely built for sex, the default hologram doctor wouldn't look anything like this:
weekendnotes.comView Full Size


She'd look like this:
Fark user imageView Full Size


Except more naked. And possibly green.

Your first point was right, but after that... still wrong.

you see, they need to give off the *illusion* that it's about space and travel and exploration. Same way we talk about our military as "service" and "patriotic duty" when it's mostly about getting out of whatever small town they're in, making enough as a PFC to keep your girl happy so she doesn't slam ass with that other dude.

The whole thing is a facade. Remove the holodecks from every starfleet ship and watch recruitment go to zero. Leave the holodecks but put in rules about plowing the grams and recruitment still goes to zero.


None of what you're saying makes any sense. We can barely put our phones down for more than five minutes, but you think we'd step out of a wish-fulfilling holodeck so we could go through the rigors of a military academy? And you think the military is even going to bother having an academy when it can instantly generate as many ideal holographic officers and enlisted ranks as it could ever need, all fully trained and ready to do whatever is asked of them without a single question or complaint?

Recruitment wouldn't be a problem because it wouldn't exist. Holograms would be the only ones getting any work done, because the humans would all be hopeless sex addicts unwilling and unable to step outside of their magical sex chambers. So said the bigheaded aliens, so shall it be.
 
2020-09-20 4:01:09 AM  

EdgeRunner: None of what you're saying makes any sense. We can barely put our phones down for more than five minutes, but you think we'd step out of a wish-fulfilling holodeck so we could go through the rigors of a military academy? And you think the military is even going to bother having an academy when it can instantly generate as many ideal holographic officers and enlisted ranks as it could ever need, all fully trained and ready to do whatever is asked of them without a single question or complaint?

Recruitment wouldn't be a problem because it wouldn't exist. Holograms would be the only ones getting any work done, because the humans would all be hopeless sex addicts unwilling and unable to step outside of their magical sex chambers. So said the bigheaded aliens, so shall it be.


Ok. In the Star Trek Universe did they EVER show a holodeck outside of a starfleet ship/starbase or a Ferengi "bar"?

No. They didn't. It's like WWII Japan and the holodecks are the comfort women only accessible by the troops.

I'm guessing they had to exist though. How else would you keep people happy? "Oh, here you go... you have a job, but you can't have any money to buy anything so no chick will ever bang you." So I'm guessing they existed at some level in the regular world. But.. if you want ALL the holodeck time you can handle, join Starfleet!

And you keep talking about hologram officers and shiat. That's not what I'm talking about. The holodecks are basically brothels. If you are a regular Joe, maybe you can access one at a Ferengi bar and maybe you can't. But if you're part of starfleet, we'll put one on every ship. You can ever bring your family along for the trip where you can access the brothel whenever you want. That's the point youre missing.
 
2020-09-20 5:21:28 AM  

EdgeRunner: Cubansaltyballs: EdgeRunner: If the holodeck can instantly whip up smarter, more capable crewmembers on command, the regular old crew is unnecessary

First of all...
[media1.tenor.com image 360x202]

The ENTIRE point of having a crew is to keep the warp-capable spaceship with the holographic fleshlights running.

The ENTIRE point of the holodeck was to have a basically guiltless brothel.

Nope. Redundant systems independent of the main ship that produced holo-engineers would be far more efficient at keeping the ship running. No need for food, sleep, plumbing, or life support unless they had guests aboard.

And if the holodeck was solely built for sex, the default hologram doctor wouldn't look anything like this:
[weekendnotes.com image 423x423]

She'd look like this:
[Fark user image 425x569]

Except more naked. And possibly green.


Fark user imageView Full Size

Not sure if your nurse was suitably sci-fi.
 
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