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2020-09-19 1:20:38 PM  
I assume that the Rapepublicans would just refuse to seat a Dem.
 
2020-09-19 1:59:38 PM  
Take your paywall and stick it where the subln don't shine.
 
2020-09-19 2:37:53 PM  
It doesn't get any more 2020 than the worst president ever Trump circus appointing three SCOTUS judges. We'll be suffering for Trump's ignorance the rest of our lives.
 
2020-09-19 2:53:05 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I assume that the Rapepublicans would just refuse to seat a Dem.


People have said this about every special election for the last 4 years.

Also, if they did so, it would halt all Senate business until they did so.  Which would really be the best possible outcome.
 
2020-09-19 3:37:05 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Take your paywall and stick it where the subln don't shine.


Sigh.....


https://outline.com/fYBYXm
 
2020-09-19 3:37:46 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Take your paywall and stick it where the subln don't shine.


https://outline.com/wm3wUX
There are even browser extentions for outline available for both Chrome and Firefox, that let you send a link straight into outline.
 
2020-09-19 3:38:17 PM  
BMFPitt:
Also, if they did so, it would halt all Senate business until they did so.

You are assuming they will follow the law. They will find a way not to.
 
2020-09-19 3:38:20 PM  
Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNa​d​ler/status/1307380156189814789
 
2020-09-19 3:41:10 PM  

dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789


How seriously do the Republicans take Democratic threats?

Seriously.  Looking at the last 2 decades, do you think Mitch or trump will feel any pressure from these threats?

Cause court packing is yet another "more convenient season" strategy from the Democrats.
 
2020-09-19 3:44:42 PM  

edmo: It doesn't get any more 2020 than the worst president ever Trump circus appointing three SCOTUS judges. We'll be suffering for Trump's ignorance the rest of our lives.


Trump's malevolence, 62 million Americans' ignorance.
 
2020-09-19 3:45:12 PM  

FarkingChas: BMFPitt:
Also, if they did so, it would halt all Senate business until they did so.

You are assuming they will follow the law. They will find a way not to.


If they just don't want to follow the law, why do you think they won't just skip the whole confirmation process & have Jay Sekulow show up tomorrow with a bolt of black cloth & wearing a barrister's wig claiming to be the new guy?
 
2020-09-19 3:46:52 PM  

dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789


F*ck using it as a threat, just elect Joe Biden and starting f*cking DOING it. I want the Democratic Party to finally stop adhering to imaginary rules that Republicans ignore.
 
2020-09-19 3:49:46 PM  
"Barring legal challenges"

So, we're still boned. You know damn well if a dem wins that seat republicans will file enough lawsuits to make sure President Daffy Duck gets to puke whatever he wants all over the Supreme Court.

/because subverting democracy is patriotism now.
 
2020-09-19 3:53:00 PM  
Is there a way to challenge the nomination/appointment in the courts?  Even through nakedly absurd lawsuits?  The Republicans gum up the works all the time with frivolous and preposterous suits.  Is that not available to the Democrats?  Are they just "too good" for that?
 
2020-09-19 3:54:42 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Champion of the Sun: dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789

How seriously do the Republicans take Democratic threats?

Seriously.  Looking at the last 2 decades, do you think Mitch or trump will feel any pressure from these threats?

Cause court packing is yet another "more convenient season" strategy from the Democrats.

With no due respect, let me say due to Republicans and your blatant hypocrisy

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Ok, but is this threat treated as serious by trump and McConnell, or should a different tact be used?  Honestly.  Tell me your opinion.
 
2020-09-19 3:55:50 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Champion of the Sun: dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789

How seriously do the Republicans take Democratic threats?

Seriously.  Looking at the last 2 decades, do you think Mitch or trump will feel any pressure from these threats?

Cause court packing is yet another "more convenient season" strategy from the Democrats.

With no due respect, let me say due to Republicans and your blatant hypocrisy

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I'm also asking the moderators to leave this up.  Show your true colors again and again.
 
2020-09-19 3:57:49 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Take your paywall and stick it where the subln don't shine.


It's free, you just need to register.
 
2020-09-19 3:59:20 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: I want the Democratic Party to finally stop adhering to imaginary rules that Republicans ignore.


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Harry Reid already did and that's why you are in this mess. However much you wish otherwise, occasionally the other party will be in power. So maybe don't dismantle mechanisms that prevent the party in power from running roughshod over the minority party with a 1 vote majority.
 
2020-09-19 3:59:56 PM  

austerity101: Is there a way to challenge the nomination/appointment in the courts?  Even through nakedly absurd lawsuits?  The Republicans gum up the works all the time with frivolous and preposterous suits.  Is that not available to the Democrats?  Are they just "too good" for that?


Kinda?

Many of the things DOJ lawyers are arguing will get them into hot water (possibly even disbarred) down the line. If the DOJ says you have to argue X, you can resign & avoid getting legally sanctioned when it comes out that you violated your ethics.

But there's always another person who the DOJ can hire who will make the crazy arguments for them & who doesn't expect to stay at the DOJ for any longer than they need to start writing terrible takes for a book mill.

That's not true of private practice lawyers good enough to make those same arguments.
 
2020-09-19 4:03:27 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I assume that the Rapepublicans would just refuse to seat a Dem.


Right, just like they refused to seat Doug Jones way back when
 
2020-09-19 4:04:45 PM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Take your paywall and stick it where the subln don't shine.


You know one place the sun don't shine?

Under the bridge where newspaper reporters, editors, fact-checkers, layout and design staff and photographers who work for free can afford to live.

You want free news, just stick with skimming fark headlines and commenting from your fark acc....oh, wait...
 
2020-09-19 4:06:12 PM  

dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789


I think the other guy got a time-out.

You can't threaten an aspiring dictator with a packed court which will only occur as a punishment for the dictator packing the court first.  If the dictator packs the court first, then you don't get a turn.  It's a stupid threat.  And it pretty much forces the dictator to pack the court first anyways so it's self defeating and self reinforcing.  And he's not even packing the court technically, he's allowed to nominate someone ignoring the illegitimacy of his stolen presidency.
 
2020-09-19 4:06:47 PM  

austerity101: The Republicans gum up the works all the time with frivolous and preposterous suits.  Is that not available to the Democrats?  Are they just "too good" for that?


THIS is what I'm talking about.
 
2020-09-19 4:07:29 PM  

parasol: SpaceMonkey-66: Take your paywall and stick it where the subln don't shine.

You know one place the sun don't shine?

Under the bridge where newspaper reporters, editors, fact-checkers, layout and design staff and photographers who work for free can afford to live.

You want free news, just stick with skimming fark headlines and commenting from your fark acc....oh, wait...


BTW ?  A basic digital subscription to the NYT is a dollar a week....
 
2020-09-19 4:11:41 PM  

andrewagill: FarkingChas: BMFPitt:
Also, if they did so, it would halt all Senate business until they did so.

You are assuming they will follow the law. They will find a way not to.

If they just don't want to follow the law, why do you think they won't just skip the whole confirmation process & have Jay Sekulow show up tomorrow with a bolt of black cloth & wearing a barrister's wig claiming to be the new guy?


fun fact? the new guy on the SC (most recent to be seated) is traditionally tasked with getting coffee for the other Justices.  iirc, I read about that when Gorsuch was new. Always thought the clerks did it.
 
2020-09-19 4:11:57 PM  

dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789


They really need to go with "depoliticizing the court", not "expanding the court"
 
2020-09-19 4:19:20 PM  

andrewagill: FarkingChas: BMFPitt:
Also, if they did so, it would halt all Senate business until they did so.

You are assuming they will follow the law. They will find a way not to.

If they just don't want to follow the law, why do you think they won't just skip the whole confirmation process & have Jay Sekulow show up tomorrow with a bolt of black cloth & wearing a barrister's wig claiming to be the new guy?


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If they just don't want to follow the law, why bother with a supreme court at all?
 
2020-09-19 4:26:47 PM  

andrewagill:
If they just don't want to follow the law, ...
flondrix: If they just don't want to follow the law, why bother with a supreme court at all?


WTF is this "IF" crap. The Rs have been openly violating the law for all Trumps term.
You know this.
 
2020-09-19 4:27:38 PM  

Champion of the Sun: You can't threaten an aspiring dictator with a packed court which will only occur as a punishment for the dictator packing the court first.


You're not threatening Trump.  You're threatening GOP Senators.  Particularly ones up for election in purple states and ones that might give a fark about the Senate past this year.
 
2020-09-19 4:29:39 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: austerity101: The Republicans gum up the works all the time with frivolous and preposterous suits.  Is that not available to the Democrats?  Are they just "too good" for that?

THIS is what I'm talking about.


What is?  Care to cite an example?  Because lawsuits to hold up the Senate aren't a thing.
 
2020-09-19 4:31:01 PM  

BMFPitt: Champion of the Sun: You can't threaten an aspiring dictator with a packed court which will only occur as a punishment for the dictator packing the court first.

You're not threatening Trump.  You're threatening GOP Senators.  Particularly ones up for election in purple states and ones that might give a fark about the Senate past this year.


Mitch is up 10 points and this seat decides trump's literal life or death fate.  I don't know about that calculation, but you're right, it's a consideration for some.
 
2020-09-19 4:31:58 PM  

dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789


It's not packing. it's simple justice.  Mitch McConnell stole a seat, and trump got 2 rather than the one to which he was entitled thus far, which makes this one much more controversial.


there are 13 judicial circuits and 9 justices was set when there were just 9 circuits.  Since each judge is also the Chief administrative Judge of a circuit  meaning that currently 4 judges have to split their efforts between two circuits which is unfair to the circuits and the justices
 
2020-09-19 4:32:26 PM  

BMFPitt: Barricaded Gunman: austerity101: The Republicans gum up the works all the time with frivolous and preposterous suits.  Is that not available to the Democrats?  Are they just "too good" for that?
THIS is what I'm talking about.

What is?  Care to cite an example?  Because lawsuits to hold up the Senate aren't a thing.


Sigh. Lawsuits to contest an election are a thing. You know this. Such a lame attempt at distortion.
 
2020-09-19 4:32:38 PM  

FarkingChas: WTF is this "IF" crap. The Rs have been openly violating the law for all Trumps term.
You know this.


OK, so then why does it matter that RGB is gone?  Trump is President for life and SCOTUS is powerless anyway, right?
 
2020-09-19 4:34:06 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Mitch is up 10 points and this seat decides trump's literal life or death fate.  I don't know about that calculation, but you're right, it's a consideration for some.


Mitch isn't going to lose, and it isn't even in his interest electorally to change course.

Like I said, it's the purple state Senators that need to feel the heat.
 
2020-09-19 4:35:52 PM  

FarkingChas: Sigh. Lawsuits to contest an election are a thing. You know this. Such a lame attempt at distortion.


What do elections have to do with anything ITT?
 
2020-09-19 4:40:33 PM  
Welp, now we can count on Arizonans to get this wrong.
 
2020-09-19 4:42:10 PM  
Or Mitch just recesses.
Trump makes recess appointment.
November is a clusterfark, Gore v. Bush 2.0
Case ends up in SC
Profit.

Even if the SC ends in a 4-4 tie, the lower court's decision stands and those benches are packed with Trump appointees.  We're boned.
 
2020-09-19 4:42:44 PM  

BMFPitt: FarkingChas: WTF is this "IF" crap. The Rs have been openly violating the law for all Trumps term.
You know this.

and SCOTUS is powerless anyway, right?


Right now - Pretty much. They are just ignoring decisions they don't like. The built in checks-and-balances have failed. Looks like the founding fathers did not think things through far enough. They did not foresee political parties becoming powerful. They had no examples to draw from.
 
2020-09-19 4:44:35 PM  

Champion of the Sun: dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789

I think the other guy got a time-out.

You can't threaten an aspiring dictator with a packed court which will only occur as a punishment for the dictator packing the court first.  If the dictator packs the court first, then you don't get a turn.  It's a stupid threat.  And it pretty much forces the dictator to pack the court first anyways so it's self defeating and self reinforcing.  And he's not even packing the court technically, he's allowed to nominate someone ignoring the illegitimacy of his stolen presidency.


Trump can't pack the court. That would require an Act of Congress to amend the maximum number of SCOTUS justices prescribed by the Judiciary Act (as previously amended). A Dem House won't vote for that.
 
2020-09-19 4:46:09 PM  

flondrix: andrewagill: FarkingChas: BMFPitt:
Also, if they did so, it would halt all Senate business until they did so.

You are assuming they will follow the law. They will find a way not to.

If they just don't want to follow the law, why do you think they won't just skip the whole confirmation process & have Jay Sekulow show up tomorrow with a bolt of black cloth & wearing a barrister's wig claiming to be the new guy?

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If they just don't want to follow the law, why bother with a supreme court at all?


This is more or less my point.

There are these weird "Donnie Trump will prevent the Senate from seating Mark Kelly!"

If you come back with "Well, no, doing that will prevent any business from getting done in the Senate" the response is always something weird like "That's not true! He's a 54-dimensional alien who will brainwash us all into changing Senate rules so they can deny him a seat!"

I don't get it. Why doesn't he just brainwash us all into thinking he's dictator for life then? If his magical abilities are that strong? Some Republicans have bootlicker fetishes. A lot of Progessives seem to have truncheon fetishes.
 
2020-09-19 4:49:00 PM  
BMFPitt:

What do elections have to do with anything ITT?

Double face palm. This thread is about an election that could seat a new Dem senator. That election. Duh.
And they could delay the swearing in by contesting the election. They just need a judge to allow the lawsuit to proceed. Lets think for a minute ... Just what has Mitch been doing for all trumps term? ... Oh yea. Packing the courts with people that will allow an R to do anything.
 
2020-09-19 4:52:54 PM  

FarkingChas: BMFPitt:

What do elections have to do with anything ITT?

Double face palm. This thread is about an election that could seat a new Dem senator. That election. Duh.
And they could delay the swearing in by contesting the election. They just need a judge to allow the lawsuit to proceed. Lets think for a minute ... Just what has Mitch been doing for all trumps term? ... Oh yea. Packing the courts with people that will allow an R to do anything.


So this is about an election because they could ignore the election & make it irrelevant.

It's like Whose Line but for voting? The results don't matter & the ballots are all made up!
 
2020-09-19 4:57:27 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Peter von Nostrand: Champion of the Sun: dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789

How seriously do the Republicans take Democratic threats?

Seriously.  Looking at the last 2 decades, do you think Mitch or trump will feel any pressure from these threats?

Cause court packing is yet another "more convenient season" strategy from the Democrats.

With no due respect, let me say due to Republicans and your blatant hypocrisy

[Fark user image 425x279] [View Full Size image _x_]

Ok, but is this threat treated as serious by trump and McConnell, or should a different tact be used?  Honestly.  Tell me your opinion.


Ah, the Clayton Williams tactic. Just lay back and enjoy it. Brilliant. You're a hypocrite.
 
2020-09-19 5:04:04 PM  

archnem: Or Mitch just recesses.
Trump makes recess appointment.


I don't believe McConnell can do that on his own.
 
2020-09-19 5:04:50 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Champion of the Sun: Peter von Nostrand: Champion of the Sun: dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789

How seriously do the Republicans take Democratic threats?

Seriously.  Looking at the last 2 decades, do you think Mitch or trump will feel any pressure from these threats?

Cause court packing is yet another "more convenient season" strategy from the Democrats.

With no due respect, let me say due to Republicans and your blatant hypocrisy

[Fark user image 425x279] [View Full Size image _x_]

Ok, but is this threat treated as serious by trump and McConnell, or should a different tact be used?  Honestly.  Tell me your opinion.

Ah, the Clayton Williams tactic. Just lay back and enjoy it. Brilliant. You're a hypocrite.


So, you think McConnel and trump can be swayed by this specific threat or not?

I don't think so.  But it's not a crazy position to take.  Why are you so afraid of answering? You're allowed to disagree with the party.  You're among, well, not friends, but speak your mind.
 
2020-09-19 5:06:23 PM  

thorpe: archnem: Or Mitch just recesses.
Trump makes recess appointment.

I don't believe McConnell can do that on his own.


Prepare for an onslaught of "Mitch has magical powers & can unilaterally rewrite all laws, constitutions, & rules" replies.
 
2020-09-19 5:19:30 PM  

FarkingChas: Double face palm. This thread is about an election that could seat a new Dem senator. That election. Duh.
And they could delay the swearing in by contesting the election. They just need a judge to allow the lawsuit to proceed. Lets think for a minute ... Just what has Mitch been doing for all trumps term? ... Oh yea. Packing the courts with people that will allow an R to do anything.


So you think the person I was talking to wanted the Democrats to sue to prevent an election that a Democrat won from being certified?

Weird.
 
2020-09-19 5:19:47 PM  

FarkingChas: BMFPitt: Barricaded Gunman: austerity101: The Republicans gum up the works all the time with frivolous and preposterous suits.  Is that not available to the Democrats?  Are they just "too good" for that?
THIS is what I'm talking about.

What is?  Care to cite an example?  Because lawsuits to hold up the Senate aren't a thing.

Sigh. Lawsuits to contest an election are a thing. You know this. Such a lame attempt at distortion.


They are a thing. But how many of them end with, "Oh well, too late now. And all the legislation passed remains intact!" There are only a few precious hours to sue for practical results. It's the Death Star trench run of electoral politics.
 
2020-09-19 5:27:44 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Peter von Nostrand: Champion of the Sun: Peter von Nostrand: Champion of the Sun: dumbobruni: Jerry Nadler endorses using court packing as a threat
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepJerryNad​ler/status/1307380156189814789

How seriously do the Republicans take Democratic threats?

Seriously.  Looking at the last 2 decades, do you think Mitch or trump will feel any pressure from these threats?

Cause court packing is yet another "more convenient season" strategy from the Democrats.

With no due respect, let me say due to Republicans and your blatant hypocrisy

[Fark user image 425x279] [View Full Size image _x_]

Ok, but is this threat treated as serious by trump and McConnell, or should a different tact be used?  Honestly.  Tell me your opinion.

Ah, the Clayton Williams tactic. Just lay back and enjoy it. Brilliant. You're a hypocrite.

So, you think McConnel and trump can be swayed by this specific threat or not?

I don't think so.  But it's not a crazy position to take.  Why are you so afraid of answering? You're allowed to disagree with the party.  You're among, well, not friends, but speak your mind.


It's not democrats doing this. We know, unequivocally know, that Trump bribed Kennedy to retire. Now they'll pack the court with someone going against they're own made up rule. Don't blame democrats for reaction to Republicans lawlessness in this situation.
 
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