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2020-09-19 11:57:08 AM  
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2020-09-19 2:39:49 PM  
It's bad enough the morons of America fall for this bullshiat. How refreshing to know that so many of those morons are cops.
 
2020-09-19 2:56:28 PM  
Dog is more of a philosophy than an organization.

But all Dogs have the same policy: they want steak.
 
2020-09-19 2:56:43 PM  
Yup
If you're don the con or any of his lickspittle lap dogs you'd better be able to sing the words to the company song...
 
2020-09-19 2:59:59 PM  
1620: "Twas Witches who doth committed the act!"

2020: "It wuz that thar Antifa who dun did it!"
 
2020-09-19 3:00:38 PM  
For many, this would be a good marker of anecdotal evidence that the same guys tossing pipe bombs in Laurelhurst Park in Portland also started many of these fires with the hopes of blaming ANTIFA.

It turns out that they are private "security" military contractors.
 
2020-09-19 3:01:34 PM  
What'd ppl think would happen by giving donny's bloodboy Thiel complete control over the entire intelligence data network?
 
2020-09-19 3:02:30 PM  

drewsfarkthrowaway: For many, this would be a good marker of anecdotal evidence that the same guys tossing pipe bombs in Laurelhurst Park in Portland also started many of these fires with the hopes of blaming ANTIFA.

It turns out that they are private "security" military contractors.


On whose dime?
 
2020-09-19 3:04:08 PM  
Experts say that the conspiracy theories being voiced on the ground largely reflect those cooked up earlier in the intelligence arms of federal agencies.

Even more experty experts pointed out that the feds/cops were the ones spreading this shiat on the streets as well as officially.
 
2020-09-19 3:04:15 PM  
Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.
 
2020-09-19 3:04:58 PM  
A lot of people believe that a sky daddy made a woman from a man's rib. That people believe believe in this is no stretch.
 
2020-09-19 3:05:37 PM  
"This is all the fault of BLM and Antifa!  They're the real villains!"
"Are they?  Do you feel threatened by them?"
"Yes!  They're attacking everything I stand for!"
"Antifa stands for Anti-fascist.  Are you telling me you're a...fascist?"
"No, I'm American."
"Then you have nothing to worry about since they're only attacking hate groups, not normal Americans."
"But...but...Fox News says..."
"Fox News is a faceless organization funded by well-documented right winged sociopaths.  This has never been disputed and never will.  Maybe they're so worried about being attacked that you are feeling guilty by association, or maybe they're trying to make you implicit in their crimes by saying you are a target."
"But all of that fake news..."
"Who exactly is telling you it's fake?  Did you already take the time to fact-check or are you relying on a source that just tells you things you want to hear?"
"But...riots...and..."
"They were brought about because those in power prefer to cling to lies and want to take down as many of their followers with them as possible.  You are not a mindless sheep. You are a capable thinking person who can make rational decisions despite your pigmentation or gender or carnal preference.  Think for yourself."
"But..."
"THINK.  FOR.  YOURSELF."
 
2020-09-19 3:06:59 PM  

rjakobi: "This is all the fault of BLM and Antifa!  They're the real villains!"
"Are they?  Do you feel threatened by them?"
"Yes!  They're attacking everything I stand for!"
"Antifa stands for Anti-fascist.  Are you telling me you're a...fascist?"
"No, I'm American."
"Then you have nothing to worry about since they're only attacking hate groups, not normal Americans."
"But...but...Fox News says..."
"Fox News is a faceless organization funded by well-documented right winged sociopaths.  This has never been disputed and never will.  Maybe they're so worried about being attacked that you are feeling guilty by association, or maybe they're trying to make you implicit in their crimes by saying you are a target."
"But all of that fake news..."
"Who exactly is telling you it's fake?  Did you already take the time to fact-check or are you relying on a source that just tells you things you want to hear?"
"But...riots...and..."
"They were brought about because those in power prefer to cling to lies and want to take down as many of their followers with them as possible.  You are not a mindless sheep. You are a capable thinking person who can make rational decisions despite your pigmentation or gender or carnal preference.  Think for yourself."
"But..."
"THINK.  FOR.  YOURSELF."


Ok. Thinking for myself...and...
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You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.
 
2020-09-19 3:07:22 PM  
Well if those chipmunks weren't such mindless, goosestepping brutes, Antifa wouldn't be forced to burn them out.
 
2020-09-19 3:08:12 PM  

eddie_irvine: A lot of people believe that a sky daddy made a woman from a man's rib. That people believe believe in this is no stretch.


Based on science, it would be the other way around. A man being made from a woman's rib.
 
2020-09-19 3:10:06 PM  

tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.


Oh, so you're one of those people who feel threatened by an imaginary organization. Luckily nobody here will take you seriously, you may want to try 4chan or stormfront - you'll find your kind there.
 
2020-09-19 3:10:35 PM  

tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.


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You suck at this. Maybe try decoupage?
 
2020-09-19 3:12:00 PM  

tuxq: rjakobi: "This is all the fault of BLM and Antifa!  They're the real villains!"
"Are they?  Do you feel threatened by them?"
"Yes!  They're attacking everything I stand for!"
"Antifa stands for Anti-fascist.  Are you telling me you're a...fascist?"
"No, I'm American."
"Then you have nothing to worry about since they're only attacking hate groups, not normal Americans."
"But...but...Fox News says..."
"Fox News is a faceless organization funded by well-documented right winged sociopaths.  This has never been disputed and never will.  Maybe they're so worried about being attacked that you are feeling guilty by association, or maybe they're trying to make you implicit in their crimes by saying you are a target."
"But all of that fake news..."
"Who exactly is telling you it's fake?  Did you already take the time to fact-check or are you relying on a source that just tells you things you want to hear?"
"But...riots...and..."
"They were brought about because those in power prefer to cling to lies and want to take down as many of their followers with them as possible.  You are not a mindless sheep. You are a capable thinking person who can make rational decisions despite your pigmentation or gender or carnal preference.  Think for yourself."
"But..."
"THINK.  FOR.  YOURSELF."

Ok. Thinking for myself...and...
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You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.


now do 1945.
 
2020-09-19 3:12:12 PM  
Antifa is the biggest threat to Trump from a resistance standpoint so what better way to have forces remove them than call them a terrorist organization. Everything can and will be blamed on them for this reason alone.
 
2020-09-19 3:12:55 PM  
I grew up in a stink add small town in Minnesota and as soon as I was done with HS I moved to Minneapolis and I could walk down the street without being hassled by redneck asshomes.
Well somebody burned the beast of south Minneapolis down it was not rednecks. It was drunk young people. You assholes wrecked the only decent place to live between Chicago and Seattle. You impatient assholes are wrecking Portland too. Please stay on your farking campuses and wreck your dorms from now on
 
2020-09-19 3:13:02 PM  

tuxq: Ok. Thinking for myself...and...
[Fark user image image 425x596]

You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.


The term is groupthink and how dare you Godwin my argument.
 
2020-09-19 3:13:12 PM  

eddie_irvine: tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.

Oh, so you're one of those people who feel threatened by an imaginary organization. Luckily nobody here will take you seriously, you may want to try 4chan or stormfront - you'll find your kind there.


"One of those people"

Nah. But I see you're one of those people who think so simply that you frame people in predefined boxes. Then you try to make yourself sound above it. Bruh, you're just a hypocrite on the other side of the fence than the people you don't agree with. You're the same level of trash with a different flavor of syrup.
 
2020-09-19 3:14:24 PM  
It was Marinus van der Lubbe's great grandson
 
2020-09-19 3:15:12 PM  

MinnesotaJack: I grew up in a stink add small town in Minnesota and as soon as I was done with HS I moved to Minneapolis and I could walk down the street without being hassled by redneck asshomes.
Well somebody burned the beast of south Minneapolis down it was not rednecks. It was drunk young people. You assholes wrecked the only decent place to live between Chicago and Seattle. You impatient assholes are wrecking Portland too. Please stay on your farking campuses and wreck your dorms from now on


Damn, you sound old.

How's your lawn doing?  I bet there's an Antifa supersoldier on it right now!  You should go tell them what for!
 
2020-09-19 3:15:58 PM  
don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.
 
2020-09-19 3:17:25 PM  
Now now. We need to be certain here.

Are the trees Nazis?
 
2020-09-19 3:18:55 PM  

bthom37: MinnesotaJack: I grew up in a stink add small town in Minnesota and as soon as I was done with HS I moved to Minneapolis and I could walk down the street without being hassled by redneck asshomes.
Well somebody burned the beast of south Minneapolis down it was not rednecks. It was drunk young people. You assholes wrecked the only decent place to live between Chicago and Seattle. You impatient assholes are wrecking Portland too. Please stay on your farking campuses and wreck your dorms from now on

Damn, you sound old.

How's your lawn doing?  I bet there's an Antifa supersoldier on it right now!  You should go tell them what for!


I'm old enough to remember living in South Minneapolis when it was called Murderapolis
 
2020-09-19 3:19:45 PM  

tuxq: eddie_irvine: tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.

Oh, so you're one of those people who feel threatened by an imaginary organization. Luckily nobody here will take you seriously, you may want to try 4chan or stormfront - you'll find your kind there.

"Blah blah blah"

Blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah


Nazi
 
2020-09-19 3:20:00 PM  
We have always been at war with East Antifa.
 
2020-09-19 3:20:10 PM  

Ishkur: Now now. We need to be certain here.

Are the trees Nazis?


They might be Lebanese.

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2020-09-19 3:20:20 PM  
tuxq:

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DUUUUUURRRR... yOu'Re TrAsH! aLL hAIL tRuMp!
 
2020-09-19 3:20:29 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: 1620: "Twas Witches who doth committed the act!"

2020: "It wuz that thar Antifa who dun did it!"


Clearly it's the fault of republicans.
 
2020-09-19 3:22:03 PM  
Antifa doesn't exist.  Anyone who claims to be Antifa is a white supremacist.
 
2020-09-19 3:24:20 PM  

eddie_irvine: "Blah blah blah"

Blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Nazi


Dude, we've all been over this.  Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a Nazi.  At worse, they probably have a few Nazi friends.
 
2020-09-19 3:25:07 PM  
ANTIFA
From the latin "anti-" meaning in front of
and "facie" meaning face

It means "masked", sheeple. Everyone wearing a mask has been antifaied!

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2020-09-19 3:25:35 PM  

rjakobi: Ishkur: Now now. We need to be certain here.

Are the trees Nazis?

They might be Lebanese.

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I don't think Antifa cares if they're gay or not.
 
2020-09-19 3:27:08 PM  
Wasn't "antifa" the whole point of World War II?
 
2020-09-19 3:27:57 PM  

edmo: It's bad enough the morons of America fall for this bullshiat. How refreshing to know that so many of those morons are cops.


Stupid is as stupid does.
 
2020-09-19 3:31:30 PM  

paygun: Antifa doesn't exist.  Anyone who claims to be Antifa is a white supremacist.


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2020-09-19 3:32:04 PM  

paygun: Antifa doesn't exist.  Anyone who claims to be Antifa is a white supremacist.


Stop helping.
 
2020-09-19 3:34:22 PM  

tuxq: [Fark user image 425x596]

You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.


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You know, you could have just posted this and it would mean the same thing.
 
2020-09-19 3:35:29 PM  

tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.


You don't have to wait until November 5th. You can just f*ck off now.
 
2020-09-19 3:36:13 PM  
We do not rake the forests and that makes them susceptible to fire.
We do not rake the forests because the fascist trees are, well fascist.
We do not rake the forests and that makes them susceptible to fire.
It is a vicious cycle.
 
2020-09-19 3:37:36 PM  

some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.


Wait a second...they told me I'M the antifa leader.
 
2020-09-19 3:38:21 PM  

paygun: Antifa doesn't exist.  Anyone who claims to be Antifa is a white supremacist.


That's not entirely true.

Antifa is not an organization.  It is not a cohesive entity but it does exist.

It is a loose association of autonomous groups along the spectrum of left wing politics - from progressive Democrats to anarcho-Communists.  Their sole binding principle is this:  fascism is bad and must be met with direct action.

That's all it is.  Any suggestion that there is a vast organized conspiracy behind the protests and marches is ludicrous.  Organizing that bunch would be tantamount to herding particularly disagreeable cats.
 
2020-09-19 3:39:04 PM  

kbronsito: ANTIFA
From the latin "anti-" meaning in front of
and "facie" meaning face

It means "masked", sheeple. Everyone wearing a mask has been antifaied!

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That's brilliant in it's believability.  How can we get rich using that as a grift?
 
2020-09-19 3:39:15 PM  

demonfaerie: eddie_irvine: A lot of people believe that a sky daddy made a woman from a man's rib. That people believe believe in this is no stretch.

Based on science, it would be the other way around. A man being made from a woman's rib.


I don't know what kind of sex ed classes you had, but it's generally the man that gives the woman the bone.  Sure, there are exceptions, but those require additional equipment.
 
2020-09-19 3:40:52 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.

Wait a second...they told me I'M the antifa leader.


didn't you get the memo?
 
2020-09-19 3:41:27 PM  

paygun: Antifa doesn't exist.  Anyone who claims to be Antifa is a white supremacist.


Not to mention a space alien.
 
2020-09-19 3:41:45 PM  
When I was in the 2nd grade my dog really did eat my homework, I had never heard that excuse before and I still remember my teacher giving me crap about it.
 
2020-09-19 3:43:04 PM  

some_beer_drinker: ParallelUniverseParking: some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.

Wait a second...they told me I'M the antifa leader.

didn't you get the memo?


antifa must have eaten it
 
2020-09-19 3:43:50 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: some_beer_drinker: ParallelUniverseParking: some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.

Wait a second...they told me I'M the antifa leader.

didn't you get the memo?

antifa must have eaten it


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2020-09-19 3:46:42 PM  

rjakobi: ParallelUniverseParking: some_beer_drinker: ParallelUniverseParking: some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.

Wait a second...they told me I'M the antifa leader.

didn't you get the memo?

antifa must have eaten it

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The correct form is "must of" eaten it.
 
2020-09-19 3:48:55 PM  
this is all irrelevant as Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the high queen of Antifa, has passed away.
 
2020-09-19 3:50:19 PM  

jso2897: rjakobi: ParallelUniverseParking: some_beer_drinker: ParallelUniverseParking: some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.

Wait a second...they told me I'M the antifa leader.

didn't you get the memo?

antifa must have eaten it

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The correct form is "must of" eaten it.


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For some odd reason I just flashed on that.

/just change the top line to "I sent you a memo"
 
2020-09-19 3:51:49 PM  

edmo: It's bad enough the morons of America fall for this bullshiat. How refreshing to know that so many of those morons are cops.


I know, right?
 
2020-09-19 3:52:06 PM  
In general, if anti-fascists are actually giving you a hard time it may be time to re-evaluate some of your life choices.
 
2020-09-19 3:53:07 PM  

TommyStiletto: Wasn't "antifa" the whole point of World War II?


Yeah , But a lot people must have slept in civics / American history  class or never heard stories of Grandfathers / Grandmothers or great Aunts / Uncles dying in that war so they could grow up in a free country .. Free from fascist .. It's amazing  how stupid this country has become ..
 
2020-09-19 3:54:41 PM  
I just looked at the posts from ignored users and yep, still imbeciles.
 
2020-09-19 3:54:47 PM  

drewsfarkthrowaway: For many, this would be a good marker of anecdotal evidence that the same guys tossing pipe bombs in Laurelhurst Park in Portland also started many of these fires with the hopes of blaming ANTIFA.

It turns out that they are private "security" military contractors.


What do they have against elk statues?

/or elk statute plinths
 
2020-09-19 3:57:40 PM  

demonfaerie: eddie_irvine: A lot of people believe that a sky daddy made a woman from a man's rib. That people believe believe in this is no stretch.

Based on science, it would be the other way around. A man being made from a woman's rib.


Makes you wonder where they put that rib, amiright!
 
2020-09-19 3:57:43 PM  

Excelsior: In general, if anti-fascists are actually giving you a hard time it may be time to re-evaluate some of your life choices.


Or maybe just start taking anti psychotic meds. In the old days, hysterical teenage girls blamed their hysteria on  demons and witches.
Today, it's "Antifa".
It's kind of telling that people are paranoid of people who are defined by opposition to fascism.
Kind of like dope dealers who see cops everywhere.
 
2020-09-19 3:58:08 PM  
How many time do I have to say it? ANTIFA means Anti-Forest Arsonists!
WAKE UP, PEOPLE!
 
2020-09-19 4:04:51 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: 1620: "Twas Witches who doth committed the act!"

2020: "It wuz that thar Antifa who dun did it!"


2016-2019: "It was the Russians!"

Remember that one? Seems like this should be covered as if it'll eventually be proven true and after three years if it turn out there is no conspiracy we can just pretend like there was one.
 
2020-09-19 4:08:29 PM  

mikalmd: TommyStiletto: Wasn't "antifa" the whole point of World War II?

Yeah , But a lot people must have slept in civics / American history  class or never heard stories of Grandfathers / Grandmothers or great Aunts / Uncles dying in that war so they could grow up in a free country .. Free from fascist .. It's amazing  how stupid this country has become ..


No.  We're just finding out that conservatives are by their very nature authoritarian fascists.  IOKIYAR.  They're not misunderstanding it.  They're not not seeing it. They know.  They're just pretending otherwise while they still 'have' to. They're literally in favor of it as long as they're the ones in charge.  They existed prior to and during WWII, they still exist, and every time they manage to twist the rules to win a democratic election their only thought is how they can bend, twist, and manipulate the laws to make sure they don't have to pretend any longer.  They have literally announced on multiple occasions how they want a super majority so they can rewrite the constitution and make the theocratic dictatorship of their dreams.  Stop not believing them about that.  It's the literal goal of their literal fascist dreams.
 
2020-09-19 4:08:38 PM  
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2020-09-19 4:19:56 PM  

tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.


Never thought I would see the day groups of people would be pro-fascists. We use to shoot those people.
 
2020-09-19 4:22:33 PM  

MinnesotaJack: I grew up in a stink add small town in Minnesota and as soon as I was done with HS I moved to Minneapolis and I could walk down the street without being hassled by redneck asshomes.
Well somebody burned the beast of south Minneapolis down it was not rednecks. It was drunk young people. You assholes wrecked the only decent place to live between Chicago and Seattle. You impatient assholes are wrecking Portland too. Please stay on your farking campuses and wreck your dorms from now on


What three hell are you talking about? Spokane WA is still there.
 
2020-09-19 4:22:41 PM  

Zizzowop: tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.

Never thought I would see the day groups of people would be pro-fascists. We use to shoot those people.


I guess they can't get over losing. Like the Confederates.
 
2020-09-19 4:24:39 PM  
Difference is, dogs exist.
 
2020-09-19 4:26:29 PM  

tuxq: rjakobi: "This is all the fault of BLM and Antifa!  They're the real villains!"
"Are they?  Do you feel threatened by them?"
"Yes!  They're attacking everything I stand for!"
"Antifa stands for Anti-fascist.  Are you telling me you're a...fascist?"
"No, I'm American."
"Then you have nothing to worry about since they're only attacking hate groups, not normal Americans."
"But...but...Fox News says..."
"Fox News is a faceless organization funded by well-documented right winged sociopaths.  This has never been disputed and never will.  Maybe they're so worried about being attacked that you are feeling guilty by association, or maybe they're trying to make you implicit in their crimes by saying you are a target."
"But all of that fake news..."
"Who exactly is telling you it's fake?  Did you already take the time to fact-check or are you relying on a source that just tells you things you want to hear?"
"But...riots...and..."
"They were brought about because those in power prefer to cling to lies and want to take down as many of their followers with them as possible.  You are not a mindless sheep. You are a capable thinking person who can make rational decisions despite your pigmentation or gender or carnal preference.  Think for yourself."
"But..."
"THINK.  FOR.  YOURSELF."

Ok. Thinking for myself...and...
[Fark user image 425x596]

You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.


So you're saying we shouldn't fight today'shiatler? Yeeeeeeeah, gonna disagree there with ya, chump.
 
2020-09-19 4:28:04 PM  

tuxq: rjakobi: "This is all the fault of BLM and Antifa!  They're the real villains!"
"Are they?  Do you feel threatened by them?"
"Yes!  They're attacking everything I stand for!"
"Antifa stands for Anti-fascist.  Are you telling me you're a...fascist?"
"No, I'm American."
"Then you have nothing to worry about since they're only attacking hate groups, not normal Americans."
"But...but...Fox News says..."
"Fox News is a faceless organization funded by well-documented right winged sociopaths.  This has never been disputed and never will.  Maybe they're so worried about being attacked that you are feeling guilty by association, or maybe they're trying to make you implicit in their crimes by saying you are a target."
"But all of that fake news..."
"Who exactly is telling you it's fake?  Did you already take the time to fact-check or are you relying on a source that just tells you things you want to hear?"
"But...riots...and..."
"They were brought about because those in power prefer to cling to lies and want to take down as many of their followers with them as possible.  You are not a mindless sheep. You are a capable thinking person who can make rational decisions despite your pigmentation or gender or carnal preference.  Think for yourself."
"But..."
"THINK.  FOR.  YOURSELF."

Ok. Thinking for myself...and...
[Fark user image 425x596]

You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.


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2020-09-19 4:29:24 PM  

GrinzGrimly: AAAAGGGGHHHH: 1620: "Twas Witches who doth committed the act!"

2020: "It wuz that thar Antifa who dun did it!"

2016-2019: "It was the Russians!"

Remember that one? Seems like this should be covered as if it'll eventually be proven true and after three years if it turn out there is no conspiracy we can just pretend like there was one.


And then remember all the indictments, convictions, and prison sentences for folks associated with the Trump crime family who were colluding with Russians?
 
2020-09-19 4:31:45 PM  

GrinzGrimly: AAAAGGGGHHHH: 1620: "Twas Witches who doth committed the act!"

2020: "It wuz that thar Antifa who dun did it!"

2016-2019: "It was the Russians!"

Remember that one? Seems like this should be covered as if it'll eventually be proven true and after three years if it turn out there is no conspiracy we can just pretend like there was one.


SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE UNITED STATES SENATE ON RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION
 
2020-09-19 4:33:01 PM  
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2020-09-19 4:34:53 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Difference is, dogs exist.


And they bark, as the caravan moves on.
 
2020-09-19 4:35:59 PM  
The West Coast is the Reichstag. This is how Trump will criminalize all opposition. If you can get out of America, run like hell.
 
2020-09-19 4:59:45 PM  
I approve of this headline.
 
2020-09-19 5:04:03 PM  

anuran: The West Coast is the Reichstag. This is how Trump will criminalize all opposition. If you can get out of America, run like hell.


How would we do that? No other country will let us in right now because of our country's handing of COVID-19. We're persona non grata in most of the free world.

Unless people would like to relocate to Somalia or some place like that, they're stuck.
 
2020-09-19 5:10:04 PM  

tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.


Either you have no idea who or what ANTIFA is, or you support fascism?

Who is defending antifa?  The FBI?  DHS?  By saying they didn't start the fires?  Thats just a fact.
What has "antifa" (the totally real organization with well organized group that is definitely financed by soros) done?
 
2020-09-19 5:10:08 PM  

anuran: The West Coast is the Reichstag. This is how Trump will criminalize all opposition. If you can get out of America, run like hell.


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2020-09-19 5:12:45 PM  

tuxq: rjakobi: "This is all the fault of BLM and Antifa!  They're the real villains!"
"Are they?  Do you feel threatened by them?"
"Yes!  They're attacking everything I stand for!"
"Antifa stands for Anti-fascist.  Are you telling me you're a...fascist?"
"No, I'm American."
"Then you have nothing to worry about since they're only attacking hate groups, not normal Americans."
"But...but...Fox News says..."
"Fox News is a faceless organization funded by well-documented right winged sociopaths.  This has never been disputed and never will.  Maybe they're so worried about being attacked that you are feeling guilty by association, or maybe they're trying to make you implicit in their crimes by saying you are a target."
"But all of that fake news..."
"Who exactly is telling you it's fake?  Did you already take the time to fact-check or are you relying on a source that just tells you things you want to hear?"
"But...riots...and..."
"They were brought about because those in power prefer to cling to lies and want to take down as many of their followers with them as possible.  You are not a mindless sheep. You are a capable thinking person who can make rational decisions despite your pigmentation or gender or carnal preference.  Think for yourself."
"But..."
"THINK.  FOR.  YOURSELF."

Ok. Thinking for myself...and...
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You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.


lololol

u think gud.

U smart.

Hive mind....

Hahahahahaha.

What hive mind of 1932 was their?

And what "tactics".  Are you saying the antifascists caused the rise of hitler?


Hahahahahahaha

Let me laugh harder.  You obviously know nothing of history.  Well, putsode of the bullshiat you've been fed.
 
2020-09-19 5:15:44 PM  

MinnesotaJack: I grew up in a stink add small town in Minnesota and as soon as I was done with HS I moved to Minneapolis and I could walk down the street without being hassled by redneck asshomes.
Well somebody burned the beast of south Minneapolis down it was not rednecks. It was drunk young people. You assholes wrecked the only decent place to live between Chicago and Seattle. You impatient assholes are wrecking Portland too. Please stay on your farking campuses and wreck your dorms from now on


yeah totally.

Was blm and antifa who started those fir...

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Well shiat.  Looks like that narrative is out the window.
 
2020-09-19 5:15:51 PM  
Putsode, indeed.
 
2020-09-19 5:17:29 PM  

some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.


you can't be.... unless your Soros!

You still owe me money and my flight to Portland.  You gave other people dressed in all black flights.  Are you expecting me to finance my own antifa activities?
 
2020-09-19 5:21:36 PM  
The push to demonize ANTIFA has been escalated since the first whiff of "No, Donnie, you won't win the election" has been in the air.
 
2020-09-19 5:21:45 PM  
You think Republicans would really do that?
Just lie about stuff?
 
2020-09-19 5:23:27 PM  

Snapper Carr: paygun: Antifa doesn't exist.  Anyone who claims to be Antifa is a white supremacist.

It is a loose association of autonomous groups along the spectrum of left wing politics - from progressive Democrats to anarcho-Communists.  Their sole binding principle is this:  fascism is bad and must be met with direct action.


That doesn't sound "left wing" at all.
Or maybe.... "left" and "right" are meaningless terms.
And everyone should be against fascism.
 
2020-09-19 5:23:31 PM  

some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.


Gd autocorrect.  When I ad "re" to the end of "you" it should add apostrophe in it not take away the "e".
 
2020-09-19 5:27:03 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: 1620: "Twas Witches who doth committed the act!"

2020: "It wuz that thar Antifa who dun did it!"


Well, I suppose we can take some comfort in knowing that shiatty grammar isn't a new problem.
 
2020-09-19 5:27:51 PM  

tuxq: eddie_irvine: tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.

Oh, so you're one of those people who feel threatened by an imaginary organization. Luckily nobody here will take you seriously, you may want to try 4chan or stormfront - you'll find your kind there.

"One of those people"

Nah. But I see you're one of those people who think so simply that you frame people in predefined boxes. Then you try to make yourself sound above it. Bruh, you're just a hypocrite on the other side of the fence than the people you don't agree with. You're the same level of trash with a different flavor of syrup.


look who's back. how surprising.
 
2020-09-19 5:35:38 PM  

big pig peaches: paygun: Antifa doesn't exist.  Anyone who claims to be Antifa is a white supremacist.

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people come together over an idea.

The idea is "fascism bad."

They may get together through a hastily put together facebook invite.

But they're not a group per se.

There are no leaders.

A counter protests of antifa could be made up of anarchists, dem socs, commies liberals, tankies, middle class suburban soccer mom neo liberals, etc.  And they feel the biggest threat to democracy and freedom is fascism and outside of their counter protest they don't associate or even may outright hate eachother but are willing to put aside their differences for the time to go against fascism.

So yeah, antifa exists, but not as a group.  And they dislike eachother's politics some to the point of literal fighting.

It's as organized as trees deciding to change colors during fall.  Which is to say it isn't because trees don't decide anything... they're trees.

Anyone who fights against fascism, including people who tell idiots online that, in fact, hitler was not a socialist is an antifascist and is partaking in antifa activities.  They may never have spoken to another "antifa" in their life.

Antifa is an ideal that people come together for not a group.

I don't understand how hard it is to get this through to people.

Well I guess propaganda is doing well enough for people that want to eat it up and to make enemies of their own neighbors.
 
2020-09-19 5:35:50 PM  

tuxq: I see you're one of those people who think so simply that you frame people in predefined boxes. Then you try to make yourself sound above it. Bruh, you're just a hypocrite on the other side of the fence than the people you don't agree with. You're the same level of trash with a different flavor of syrup.


I see you're also one of those people who think so simply that you frame people in predefined boxes. Then you try to make yourself sound above it. Seems you're just a hypocrite on the other side of the fence than the people you don't agree with. You're the same level of trash with a different flavor of syrup.

Or do I owe little Tiffany an apology?
 
2020-09-19 5:38:24 PM  
But it's the old "do the Bartman."
 
2020-09-19 5:38:52 PM  

PapermonkeyExpress: edmo: It's bad enough the morons of America fall for this bullshiat. How refreshing to know that so many of those morons are cops.

I know, right?


So this about fires.

Some cops believed that antifa lut the fires.  Which is what the above commenter was commenting on.

What does reinhold have to do with that?

Did he start the fires from the coroners office?
 
2020-09-19 5:39:00 PM  

Zizzowop: tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.

Never thought I would see the day groups of people would be pro-fascists. We use to shoot those people.


And now they will be shooting us
 
2020-09-19 5:42:12 PM  

dkulprit: MinnesotaJack: I grew up in a stink add small town in Minnesota and as soon as I was done with HS I moved to Minneapolis and I could walk down the street without being hassled by redneck asshomes.
Well somebody burned the beast of south Minneapolis down it was not rednecks. It was drunk young people. You assholes wrecked the only decent place to live between Chicago and Seattle. You impatient assholes are wrecking Portland too. Please stay on your farking campuses and wreck your dorms from now on

yeah totally.

Was blm and antifa who started those fir...

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Well shiat.  Looks like that narrative is out the window.


So...he was a cop? :P
 
2020-09-19 5:42:49 PM  

GrinzGrimly: AAAAGGGGHHHH: 1620: "Twas Witches who doth committed the act!"

2020: "It wuz that thar Antifa who dun did it!"

2016-2019: "It was the Russians!"

Remember that one? Seems like this should be covered as if it'll eventually be proven true and after three years if it turn out there is no conspiracy we can just pretend like there was one.


you do realize we are 3 republican investogations into the investigation and have found that Russia, was in fact, farking with the elections in each and every investigation of the investigation... right?  Or did you take it from the White House's mouth instead of actually reading the reports?

They probably didn't win the election for trump, but they certainly did help... and the last investigation, again by the REPUBLICANS, stated that fact.
 
2020-09-19 5:45:38 PM  
Narrator: anytime right wingers cry antifa it was always a right winger that ended up doing it.

Also narrator: because right wingers are, by and large, violent animals slavering at the mouth to kill more Americans, because 200,000 wasn't enough for them.

Bulldoze everything they love.
 
2020-09-19 5:46:22 PM  

TotallyHeadless: GrinzGrimly: AAAAGGGGHHHH: 1620: "Twas Witches who doth committed the act!"

2020: "It wuz that thar Antifa who dun did it!"

2016-2019: "It was the Russians!"

Remember that one? Seems like this should be covered as if it'll eventually be proven true and after three years if it turn out there is no conspiracy we can just pretend like there was one.

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE UNITED STATES SENATE ON RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION


We're all sheep but he just takes word from White House mouth pieces that say it didn't find anything despite the republicans investigations found the opposite.

It's like Barr's reading of the Mueller investigation where people just parroted what he said despite the report stating different.

But we're the sheeple... you know.
 
2020-09-19 5:52:58 PM  

Hirightnow: The push to demonize ANTIFA has been escalated since the first whiff of "No, Donnie, you won't win the election" has been in the air.


look at the timing of the Tik Tok thing too.  Trump's plans are easy to see when and where they form.

Trump didn't a fark about Tik Tok, then the whole debacle with his rally where people on Tik Tok rallied people to take up tickets and he had a low turnout and suddenly Tik Tok was evil.

Don't get me wrong, tik tok and we chat are run by proxy by the Chinese government and is probably a national securoty threat.  But trump didn't give a shiat about that until they screwed up his ratings.

It's easy to track most of Trump's policy to single events where he got his fee fees hurt and then he will retaliate.
 
2020-09-19 5:55:40 PM  

MinnesotaJack: bthom37: MinnesotaJack: I grew up in a stink add small town in Minnesota and as soon as I was done with HS I moved to Minneapolis and I could walk down the street without being hassled by redneck asshomes.
Well somebody burned the beast of south Minneapolis down it was not rednecks. It was drunk young people. You assholes wrecked the only decent place to live between Chicago and Seattle. You impatient assholes are wrecking Portland too. Please stay on your farking campuses and wreck your dorms from now on

Damn, you sound old.

How's your lawn doing?  I bet there's an Antifa supersoldier on it right now!  You should go tell them what for!

I'm old enough to remember living in South Minneapolis when it was called Murderapolis


I grew up on Lyndale and West Broadway in the 70's. Pffft....
 
2020-09-19 5:57:28 PM  
People be acting like this is a real thing.
Like the Symbionese Liberation Army.
Oooh. I'm so scared.


If you aren't a facist piece of shiat, why would you fear antifacists?

I'll wait
 
2020-09-19 6:03:11 PM  
I have an Aunt Eifa does that count
 
2020-09-19 6:04:08 PM  

vudukungfu: People be acting like this is a real thing.
Like the Symbionese Liberation Army.
Oooh. I'm so scared.


If you aren't a facist piece of shiat, why would you fear antifacists?

I'll wait


How dare you.

Don't you remember the Bowling Green Massacre?  Where antifa eradicated almost a whole town before they were stopped by Real Parriots with American made pickups and AR15's.

How dare you forget.  You must be antifa.
 
2020-09-19 6:08:23 PM  

vudukungfu: If you aren't a facist piece of shiat, why would you fear antifacists?


You might want to sit down for this but some have an overly broad definition of fascist.
 
2020-09-19 6:08:50 PM  

TommyStiletto: Wasn't "antifa" the whole point of World War II?


Antifa originated as the abbreviation of Antifaschistische Aktion, the armed, para-military wing of the KPD. It was founded in 1932 as the successor to the KPD's earlier para-military group, the Roter Frontkämpferbund or, RFB, which existed from 1924 to 1929. Antifa's main job was protecting KPD events, marching to support their candidates and intimidate others, and perhaps most importantly, fight pitched street battles with the Nazi's armed para-militaries, Sturmabteilung, aka the SA, the brownshirts, or stormtroopers. When they weren't fighting Nazis, they were fighting the Socialdemocrats (SPD) and their loosely affiliated Eiserne Front.Obviously after the NSDAP came to power, the KPD, antifa, and all other political groups were banned, and many members wound up in concentration camps.

The term antifa, or more usually anti-fascist, entered wider use by the Left, especially by the Comintern, during the Spanish Civil War. The Republican side was a conglomeration of political groups who only shared their opposition to the Nationalist rebels. Most, but not all of these groups were leftists of varying degrees of radicalism. As Italy and Germany increased their support for the Nationalists, the Republicans could only find support from the USSR. This diminished popular support for the Spanish Republic among the western public, so to downplay Moscow's near takeover of the Republican cause, the term anti-fascist was preferred.

After WWII, antifa continued to be term in common usage in Europe for a variety of Left-wing youth groups. These ranged from simple gangs who liked to get in street fights with racist punks and hooligans, to actual terrorist organizations funded and controlled by Moscow. After the Red Summer of 1968, the USSR toned down the armed terrorism, although some groups like the Rote Armee Fraktion(RAF) aka the Baader-Meinhof Group, or the Brigate Rossecontinued. Anti-fascist would continue on in Soviet parlance (for example in the official name of the Berlin Wall) but as glasnost became official policy, the term antifa became more and more associated with elements of the punk scene. It would occasionally be used to describe independent groups which considered themselves leftists dedicated to direct action, such as the Black Bloc, But was mostly passé. Until an actual fascist got elected President. All of a sudden the term "Antifa" gets thrown around, and when people who had never heard it before ask, "what does that mean?" they are told simply, "it means anti-fascist."  And so, not knowing the term's history, they start using it, perhaps even to refer to themselves. And when someone points out it's actual, historical meaning, they reject it as counter-propaganda.
 
2020-09-19 6:09:52 PM  
A lot of people sure are invested in anftifa not being real.
 
2020-09-19 6:11:48 PM  

big pig peaches: paygun: Antifa doesn't exist.  Anyone who claims to be Antifa is a white supremacist.

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2020-09-19 6:15:47 PM  

MinnesotaJack: bthom37: MinnesotaJack: I grew up in a stink add small town in Minnesota and as soon as I was done with HS I moved to Minneapolis and I could walk down the street without being hassled by redneck asshomes.
Well somebody burned the beast of south Minneapolis down it was not rednecks. It was drunk young people. You assholes wrecked the only decent place to live between Chicago and Seattle. You impatient assholes are wrecking Portland too. Please stay on your farking campuses and wreck your dorms from now on

Damn, you sound old.

How's your lawn doing?  I bet there's an Antifa supersoldier on it right now!  You should go tell them what for!

I'm old enough to remember living in South Minneapolis when it was called Murderapolis


I went to Stand up Frank's once. That place made the Mos Eisley cantina look like Chuckie Cheese
 
2020-09-19 6:19:59 PM  

bobbyjoebobby: A lot of people sure are invested in anftifa not being real.


Someday, maybe, something right wingers blame on antifa will actually be done by antifa. That day is not this day. It's right wing accelerationist turtles all the way down.
 
2020-09-19 6:20:52 PM  
Again I ask, what exactly should people opposed to fascism call themselves that won't hurt Republicans' feelings?
 
2020-09-19 6:22:40 PM  

Tranquil Hegemony: Again I ask, what exactly should people opposed to fascism call themselves that won't hurt Republicans' feelings?


That's the rub. You can't be against fascists without hurting right winger feelings. That should tell us all something, shouldn't it.
 
2020-09-19 6:31:57 PM  

Abox: vudukungfu: If you aren't a facist piece of shiat, why would you fear antifacists?

You might want to sit down for this but some have an overly broad definition of fascist.


That's why I almost always use the term "Republican".
It's indisputably accurate.
Unless we're talking about Libertarians.
Both parties are very fascist in 2020 America, though.
Your defense of them and denials is bullshiat.
 
2020-09-19 6:32:04 PM  
So "Antifa" is the new "communism." Got it.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
 
2020-09-19 6:32:13 PM  

tuxq: rjakobi: "This is all the fault of BLM and Antifa!  They're the real villains!"
"Are they?  Do you feel threatened by them?"
"Yes!  They're attacking everything I stand for!"
"Antifa stands for Anti-fascist.  Are you telling me you're a...fascist?"
"No, I'm American."
"Then you have nothing to worry about since they're only attacking hate groups, not normal Americans."
"But...but...Fox News says..."
"Fox News is a faceless organization funded by well-documented right winged sociopaths.  This has never been disputed and never will.  Maybe they're so worried about being attacked that you are feeling guilty by association, or maybe they're trying to make you implicit in their crimes by saying you are a target."
"But all of that fake news..."
"Who exactly is telling you it's fake?  Did you already take the time to fact-check or are you relying on a source that just tells you things you want to hear?"
"But...riots...and..."
"They were brought about because those in power prefer to cling to lies and want to take down as many of their followers with them as possible.  You are not a mindless sheep. You are a capable thinking person who can make rational decisions despite your pigmentation or gender or carnal preference.  Think for yourself."
"But..."
"THINK.  FOR.  YOURSELF."

Ok. Thinking for myself...and...
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You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.


That's what the right wants.

neongoats: Narrator: anytime right wingers cry antifa it was always a right winger that ended up doing it.

Also narrator: because right wingers are, by and large, violent animals slavering at the mouth to kill more Americans, because 200,000 wasn't enough for them.

Bulldoze everything they love.


Is there any organized list of incidents by who was behind them?
 
2020-09-19 6:38:15 PM  

Tranquil Hegemony: Again I ask, what exactly should people opposed to fascism call themselves that won't hurt Republicans' feelings?


Democrats?
 
2020-09-19 6:39:34 PM  

Begoggle: Abox: vudukungfu: If you aren't a facist piece of shiat, why would you fear antifacists?

You might want to sit down for this but some have an overly broad definition of fascist.

That's why I almost always use the term "Republican".
It's indisputably accurate.
Unless we're talking about Libertarians.
Both parties are very fascist in 2020 America, though.
Your defense of them and denials is bullshiat.


I don't remember defending any Republicans.
 
2020-09-19 6:41:10 PM  

thorpe: tuxq: rjakobi: "This is all the fault of BLM and Antifa!  They're the real villains!"
"Are they?  Do you feel threatened by them?"
"Yes!  They're attacking everything I stand for!"
"Antifa stands for Anti-fascist.  Are you telling me you're a...fascist?"
"No, I'm American."
"Then you have nothing to worry about since they're only attacking hate groups, not normal Americans."
"But...but...Fox News says..."
"Fox News is a faceless organization funded by well-documented right winged sociopaths.  This has never been disputed and never will.  Maybe they're so worried about being attacked that you are feeling guilty by association, or maybe they're trying to make you implicit in their crimes by saying you are a target."
"But all of that fake news..."
"Who exactly is telling you it's fake?  Did you already take the time to fact-check or are you relying on a source that just tells you things you want to hear?"
"But...riots...and..."
"They were brought about because those in power prefer to cling to lies and want to take down as many of their followers with them as possible.  You are not a mindless sheep. You are a capable thinking person who can make rational decisions despite your pigmentation or gender or carnal preference.  Think for yourself."
"But..."
"THINK.  FOR.  YOURSELF."

Ok. Thinking for myself...and...
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You might wanna brush up on history. Hive-mind reactions are predictable and so far the predictions have been correct.

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didn't they all get COVID and shuffle off this mortal coil?
 
2020-09-19 6:58:18 PM  

neongoats: Narrator: anytime right wingers cry antifa it was always a right winger that ended up doing it.

Also narrator: because right wingers are, by and large, violent animals slavering at the mouth to kill more Americans, because 200,000 wasn't enough for them.

Bulldoze everything they love.


I've got the dozer but... there's nothing there
 
2020-09-19 7:03:46 PM  
Okay, so one of two things are happening:

1. Donny Boy is ordering the FBI and USA-centric intelligence agencies to lie about real threats;

2. The people involved in these agencies actually believe fw:fw:fw emails from your paranoid grandma.

I honestly don't know which is worse at this point. We're militarily active in key conflicts globally--if this spreads to the CIA or even your average Army grunt figuring out where the enemies are, we are so f*cked. Hell, this is making cops go after random citizens--we're already f*cked, we're just hopefully not going to nuke the planet on bad intel, or get nuked from bad intel.

Honestly, either scenario is horrifying. We're not the good guys, but if we go down, there's a hell of a power vaccuum, and we could take the majority of the planet down with us.

F*cking Trump. Can someone arrest his ass on grounds of deliberately harming our intelligence resources already?
 
2020-09-19 7:12:00 PM  

tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.


So you assume everyone by default is a fascist. Since fascism is the conservative end state I shouldn't be surprised.
 
2020-09-19 7:12:06 PM  
I took a big dump today and it clogged the toilet. I blame QAnon.
 
2020-09-19 7:14:12 PM  

some_beer_drinker: don't tell anyone, but i am the antifa leader.


No, I'Mthe ANTIFA leader!
 
2020-09-19 7:15:12 PM  

Nick Nostril: I took a big dump today and it clogged the toilet. I blame QAnon.


QAnon IS the clog.
 
2020-09-19 7:26:44 PM  

bobbyjoebobby: A lot of people sure are invested in anftifa not being real.


Well, what do you mean by "real"?
Is professional wrestling "real"?
I mean, you can't actually dispute that it takes place in the world.
But what kind of "real" is it?
It is not only things that are real - concepts and ideas can be real. too.
But they can also be false - caveat emptor.
 
2020-09-19 7:28:29 PM  

Nick Nostril: I took a big dump today and it clogged the toilet. I blame QAnon.


Thanks. Qbama.
 
2020-09-19 7:54:03 PM  

dkulprit: Are you saying the antifascists caused the rise of hitler?


Small technicality: in Weimar Germany, the fascists and communists hated each other. However, they had the common goal of disrupting the system and bringing it down. The Nazi party never had a majority in the Reichstag, but they did when combined with the votes of the communists.

So, while antifa didn't cause Nazis, it did inadvertently help them win control of Germany. An argument can be made that some of the activity this year by people opposed to Trump does play into his hands.
 
2020-09-19 7:58:08 PM  

Begoggle: Or maybe.... "left" and "right" are meaningless terms.
And everyone should be against fascism.


Historically, conservatives have been quite chummy with fascist and semi-fascist governments (Italy, Germany, Spain, Portugal).

The core values of fascism - nationalism, sexism, racism - are conservative values. (Not all conservatives are sexist racist nationalists, but if you're a sexist racist nationalist you can't be a liberal.)
 
2020-09-19 8:03:31 PM  
The problem with police intelligence reports is that for every agency that does a credible job creating them from facts, there are two police departments and six sheriffs offices producing them based on that email that got forwarded to their Sheriff or an article some elderly detective nearing retirement saw on Fox News.
 
2020-09-19 8:04:29 PM  

bobbyjoebobby: A lot of people sure are invested in anftifa not being real.


Who is the leader of antifa?
 
2020-09-19 8:15:09 PM  

OptionC: bobbyjoebobby: A lot of people sure are invested in anftifa not being real.

Who is the leader of antifa?


Movements without leaders aren't real?
 
2020-09-19 8:36:58 PM  
Trying to please da Führer .
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2020-09-19 8:39:40 PM  

g.fro: Antifa originated as the abbreviation of Antifaschistische Aktion, the armed, para-military wing of the KPD. It was founded in 1932 as the successor to the KPD's earlier para-military group, the Roter Frontkämpferbund or, RFB, which existed from 1924 to 1929. Antifa's main job was protecting KPD events, marching to support their candidates and intimidate others, and perhaps most importantly, fight pitched street battles with the Nazi's armed para-militaries, Sturmabteilung, aka the SA, the brownshirts, or stormtroopers. When they weren't fighting Nazis, they were fighting the Socialdemocrats (SPD) and their loosely affiliated Eiserne Front.Obviously after the NSDAP came to power, the KPD, antifa, and all other political groups were banned, and many members wound up in concentration camps.

The term antifa, or more usually anti-fascist, entered wider use by the Left, especially by the Comintern, during the Spanish Civil War. The Republican side was a conglomeration of political groups who only shared their opposition to the Nationalist rebels. Most, but not all of these groups were leftists of varying degrees of radicalism. As Italy and Germany increased their support for the Nationalists, the Republicans could only find support from the USSR. This diminished popular support for the Spanish Republic among the western public, so to downplay Moscow's near takeover of the Republican cause, the term anti-fascist was preferred.

After WWII, antifa continued to be term in common usage in Europe for a variety of Left-wing youth groups. These ranged from simple gangs who liked to get in street fights with racist punks and hooligans, to actual terrorist organizations funded and controlled by Moscow. After the Red Summer of 1968, the USSR toned down the armed terrorism, although some groups like the Rote Armee Fraktion(RAF) aka the Baader-Meinhof Group, or the Brigate Rossecontinued. Anti-fascist would continue on in Soviet parlance (for example in the official name of the Berlin Wall) but as glasnost became official policy, the term antifa became more and more associated with elements of the punk scene. It would occasionally be used to describe independent groups which considered themselves leftists dedicated to direct action, such as the Black Bloc, But was mostly passé. Until an actual fascist got elected President. All of a sudden the term "Antifa" gets thrown around, and when people who had never heard it before ask, "what does that mean?" they are told simply, "it means anti-fascist." And so, not knowing the term's history, they start using it, perhaps even to refer to themselves. And when someone points out it's actual, historical meaning, they reject it as counter-propaganda.


So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?
 
2020-09-19 8:45:30 PM  

iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?


Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.
 
2020-09-19 8:47:50 PM  

g.fro: OptionC: bobbyjoebobby: A lot of people sure are invested in anftifa not being real.

Who is the leader of antifa?

Movements without leaders aren't real?


Without membership, leadership and hierarchy there is nothing which can be described as an organization.
 
2020-09-19 8:48:35 PM  
Antifa has gotten a real Emmanuel Goldstein vibe about it all.   Whether Antifa has historical reality has become irrelevant.   Any protest against existing power is now all part of a plot by Emmanuel Goldstein.
 
2020-09-19 8:53:30 PM  

OptionC: g.fro: OptionC: bobbyjoebobby: A lot of people sure are invested in anftifa not being real.

Who is the leader of antifa?

Movements without leaders aren't real?

Without membership, leadership and hierarchy there is nothing which can be described as an organization.


So then neither Occupy Wall Street nor Black Lives Matter exist(ed).
 
2020-09-19 9:00:48 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.


thanks for your input
 
2020-09-19 9:02:49 PM  
You people are really hung up on these concepts of "existence" and of being "real".
But you don't seem to have satisfactorily defined them.
Ooops.
 
2020-09-19 9:03:34 PM  

g.fro: OptionC: g.fro: OptionC: bobbyjoebobby: A lot of people sure are invested in anftifa not being real.

Who is the leader of antifa?

Movements without leaders aren't real?

Without membership, leadership and hierarchy there is nothing which can be described as an organization.

So then neither Occupy Wall Street nor Black Lives Matter exist(ed).


BLM is an formal organization with leaders and everything.  They are an organization that does, in fact, exist.

I do not recall if OWS was formally organized or not, but sleeping in the park would not actually make somebody a member.
 
2020-09-19 9:04:37 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.


Wow, you've got a lot of issues to work through.
 
2020-09-19 9:06:30 PM  

TrashcanMan: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

thanks for your input


You're welcome.
 
2020-09-19 9:07:41 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Wow, you've got a lot of issues to work through.


Why, because I believe in democracy?
 
2020-09-19 9:10:19 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Wow, you've got a lot of issues to work through.

Why, because I believe in democracy?


You say that, but you're anti-antifascists, but you say you want to shoot fascists in the face.

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2020-09-19 9:22:40 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Wow, you've got a lot of issues to work through.

Why, because I believe in democracy?

You say that, but you're anti-antifascists, but you say you want to shoot fascists in the face.

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I never said I was antantifascist. I just know their history, unlike apparently most of the internet.

Any sane person is against fascists. But as much as there has been gnashing of teeth since the rise of the alt-right, most people who call themselves antifa seem very reluctant to actually engage in direct action. Which is particularly ironic given that they have adopted the name of KPD streetfighters. Sure, they talk about punching Nazis in the face, and they go on about how the right-wing gun-nuts are a threat, but are any of them arming themselves? Well, some are, but they don't go around on line telling everyone how they're antifa.

The one thing which has been constant throughout the history of antifa in all its various permutations is that it has never been pro-democracy. So no, I'm not going to embrace the name of a movement which does not believe in democracy, even if we have the same enemies.

(Why does that sound familiar? I think I heard about a similar situation in history.)
 
2020-09-19 9:29:52 PM  

g.fro: The one thing which has been constant throughout the history of antifa in all its various permutations is that it has never been pro-democracy. So no, I'm not going to embrace the name of a movement which does not believe in democracy, even if we have the same enemies.


What does that mean for the pro-democracy Americans who either march under that banner, or have the label of antifa thrust upon them by a corrupt government right now?

Not true liberal democrats?

People trying to subvert the meaning of anti-fascism are more suspect, to me.
 
2020-09-19 9:37:36 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: The one thing which has been constant throughout the history of antifa in all its various permutations is that it has never been pro-democracy. So no, I'm not going to embrace the name of a movement which does not believe in democracy, even if we have the same enemies.

What does that mean for the pro-democracy Americans who either march under that banner, or have the label of antifa thrust upon them by a corrupt government right now?

Not true liberal democrats?

People trying to subvert the meaning of anti-fascism are more suspect, to me.


If they are having a label thrust upon them, they could try pushing back, instead of embracing it because they don't know what it means. If they do know what it means, and willingly adopt that banner, then they are not liberal democrats.

And I'm not sure which people you mean by "subverting the meaning" of the term. Are the people insisting it still means what it always meant, or the people trying to expand it to include everyone who is not a Trumpist, whether they want title or not, the ones subverting it?
 
2020-09-19 9:40:29 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: The one thing which has been constant throughout the history of antifa in all its various permutations is that it has never been pro-democracy. So no, I'm not going to embrace the name of a movement which does not believe in democracy, even if we have the same enemies.

What does that mean for the pro-democracy Americans who either march under that banner, or have the label of antifa thrust upon them by a corrupt government right now?

Not true liberal democrats?

People trying to subvert the meaning of anti-fascism are more suspect, to me.

If they are having a label thrust upon them, they could try pushing back, instead of embracing it because they don't know what it means. If they do know what it means, and willingly adopt that banner, then they are not liberal democrats.

And I'm not sure which people you mean by "subverting the meaning" of the term. Are the people insisting it still means what it always meant, or the people trying to expand it to include everyone who is not a Trumpist, whether they want title or not, the ones subverting it?


There's nothing wrong with being an anti-fascist.
 
2020-09-19 9:51:38 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: The one thing which has been constant throughout the history of antifa in all its various permutations is that it has never been pro-democracy. So no, I'm not going to embrace the name of a movement which does not believe in democracy, even if we have the same enemies.

What does that mean for the pro-democracy Americans who either march under that banner, or have the label of antifa thrust upon them by a corrupt government right now?

Not true liberal democrats?

People trying to subvert the meaning of anti-fascism are more suspect, to me.

If they are having a label thrust upon them, they could try pushing back, instead of embracing it because they don't know what it means. If they do know what it means, and willingly adopt that banner, then they are not liberal democrats.

And I'm not sure which people you mean by "subverting the meaning" of the term. Are the people insisting it still means what it always meant, or the people trying to expand it to include everyone who is not a Trumpist, whether they want title or not, the ones subverting it?

There's nothing wrong with being an anti-fascist.


Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

Even if antifa did just mean anti-fascist (nevermind the fact Americans don't abbreviate things that way), would it be enough? During the Cold War, the USA supported any number of regimes which could only be called anti-communist. What can possibly be wrong with being anti-communist (I wonder why we never called them antico)? Well, ask just about any country in Latin America. Ask most of Southern Africa. The Rhodesians always thought they were the good guys because they were fighting Communists. But they were racist, fascist assholes. Every regime we supported in Southeast Asia; anti-communist, and in no way democratic.

Such is the case with antifa. They might be against fascism, but they are not for democracy. The fact they've gotten so many people to believe it just means anti-fascist just shows how effective the branding is.
 
2020-09-19 9:59:27 PM  

g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?


I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.
 
2020-09-19 10:13:18 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.


Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.
 
2020-09-19 10:38:57 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.

Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.


I'm not a communist either, but I will gladly take the mantle of being against fascism.

You should, too.
 
2020-09-19 10:50:40 PM  

dbaggins: Antifa has gotten a real Emmanuel Goldstein vibe about it all.   Whether Antifa has historical reality has become irrelevant.   Any protest against existing power is now all part of a plot by Emmanuel Goldstein.


And in this narrative, the part of Emmanuel Goldstein is played by George Soros.
 
2020-09-19 10:53:44 PM  
I mean, ffs, how hard is this to figure out?

Fascism is bad. The concept is incompatible with liberal democracy. We can be antifa, or, we can be fascists.

That's it.

There's no more to say on the subject.

/Go home.
 
2020-09-19 10:55:14 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.

Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.

I'm not a communist either, but I will gladly take the mantle of being against fascism.

You should, too.


If you think I'm not against fascism then you haven't been reading my posts; and if you're not going to read my posts, I'm not going to waste any more time.
 
2020-09-19 11:01:03 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.

Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.

I'm not a communist either, but I will gladly take the mantle of being against fascism.

You should, too.

If you think I'm not against fascism then you haven't been reading my posts; and if you're not going to read my posts, I'm not going to waste any more time.


Sure, you need to take a bit of time to consider what it means to be against fascism.

Have a think, then get back to me.
 
2020-09-19 11:08:05 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.

Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.

I'm not a communist either, but I will gladly take the mantle of being against fascism.

You should, too.

If you think I'm not against fascism then you haven't been reading my posts; and if you're not going to read my posts, I'm not going to waste any more time.

Sure, you need to take a bit of time to consider what it means to be against fascism.

Have a think, then get back to me.


You are being thick. Not everyone who is against fascism is antifa. It is not a binary where one is either a Nazi or antifa, and if you think it is, you're either a child or an idiot. I don't know what it is about the internet that makes people take pride in their ignorance, and then turn that into feeling superior to people who actually know stuff, but you seem to be textbook example tonight. Go call yourself whatever you want. I don't know why you even care, you're not going to have to deal with whatever shiat happens in the next six weeks.

Have a good night.
 
2020-09-19 11:14:17 PM  

OptionC: Who is the leader of antifa?


I knew we couldn't trust Pete Townsend!
 
2020-09-19 11:14:46 PM  

g.fro: Not everyone who is against fascism is antifa.


You can't understand a two syllable word, and you call me thick.
 
2020-09-19 11:17:43 PM  
OK, I'll admit my own idiocy for not counting the number of syllables in antifa, but the point stands.
 
2020-09-19 11:39:40 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.


Except the name is exactly what it's against.  I mean....  the republicans have some pretty nasty history attached to the name too.

So do democrats as before the platform switch they were the conservatives that wanted to keep slavery.

I mean the Irish Republicans committed terrorism.

McVeigh was a registered republican and even voted republican while in jail.

People do stupid shiat under the banner of different names throughout history.  So we shouldn't use the name because some hooligans in europe did some crimes under that name 60+ years ago?

I mean the republicans should probably not use their name because the 2nd largest terrorism act was done by a republican.  Democrats shouldn't use that name because even if the platforms swapped, the name is still attached (and still used by dumbasses) to attach it to slavery.

The name is fine.
 
2020-09-19 11:51:03 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Wow, you've got a lot of issues to work through.

Why, because I believe in democracy?

You say that, but you're anti-antifascists, but you say you want to shoot fascists in the face.

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What he's talking about is defense.  Fascism isn't just a political movement.  They have a goal.  And that goal is purity of race and nation.

So we're supposed to stand idly by while they go all holocaust 2.0?  Do you even understand what fascism is?

You do realize they stood and chanted, hundreds deep, "gas the k!kes!" At the Charleston "free speech" rally.... right?  Any group that has an end goal of exterminating entire races of people is not a group to just allow to start enacting their goals.

It's literally how the holocaust happened.  I'm confused by your thinking it's wrong that people are wanting and willing to defend themselves or others.

That's the major difference between anti-fa and fascists.  Fascists will start killing off their own allies who were convenient at the time (see KPD) and people who have the wrong length nose, or too much melanin.  Anti-fa on the other hand.... if you stop being fascist you can go on your merry way.

Nobody has a bone to pick with ex-skinheads that realized jews aren't actually "dirty" and need to be exterminated.  You stop being fascist and nobody will care.  Fascists will kill everyone who isn't like them or thinks like them.

That is the END GOAL OF FASCISM.
 
2020-09-20 12:03:39 AM  
Antifa turned me into a newt.
 
2020-09-20 12:13:06 AM  

gameshowhost: Antifa turned me into a newt.


Did you get better?
 
2020-09-20 12:27:36 AM  

tuxq: Ok. Thinking for myself...


Fark user image
 
2020-09-20 1:08:04 AM  
Did you know that the Bogeyman, or a very similar creature, can be found in every single human culture?

Sure, Antifa technically exists... as a very tenuous alliance of varying ineffectual vaguely left wing organizations... and I'm using the terms "alliance" and "organization" generously.

I mean if you were to hold an Antifa rally it wouldn't devolve into chaos because that's how it'd start, as somebody else put it, organizing that group of people would be like herding cats*.

Antifa makes for a good Bogeyman for the right wing though, you need your extremists to keep making self destructive decisions because if their life is going well for them they probably wouldn't be fanatics, and fear is one of the best ways to keep people making self destructive decisions.

Say you live in an abandoned coal town in the South and you just got fired from Dollar General for farting into the PA system too many times, you're only allowed to do it seven times a day and you did it 8 times a day for three weeks!

So you cash out your 401K and now you have $1,500 burning a hole in your pocket.  Do you
A)  Stop and think "Hey, I'll eventually be unable to work, yet still want to live" and roll it over into an IRA.
B)  Use the money to move to the thriving town, or god forbid, city, 15 miles down the road and get a better job.
C)  Buy your 3rd AR-15 to keep Antifa out of your town which will turn over a new leaf just as soon as Trump gets his second term and people go back to a 19th century fuel source.
D)  Start a college savings account for one of your many children so they can have a better life than you did.

Your country needs you to make choice C Billy!

Antifa will be the Right's Bogeyman for a while, but after some time they'll have to pick a new ridiculous thing to scare their base... they're not complete idiots, after a few years without any busloads of people in black clothes showing up in their town with baseball bats and Molotov cocktails they'll have to point their fingers at a new, barely existent, organization to scare them with.

*Although ironically the "Vegans for Violence" and "Carnivores for human/animal love" would hit it off... just as soon as all 5 of them get over the awkwardness of Jimmy being a member of both groups.
 
2020-09-20 4:15:44 AM  

Zizzowop: tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.

Never thought I would see the day groups of people would be pro-fascists. We use to shoot those people.


Yep.  Lost a grandfather doing that.
 
2020-09-20 4:25:11 AM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.


Huh.  Haven't seen a "no true Anti Fascist" argument before.

It's new to me, but not at all compellling.
 
2020-09-20 5:43:04 AM  

PunGent: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Huh.  Haven't seen a "no true Anti Fascist" argument before.

It's new to me, but not at all compellling.


See, he's totally not a fascist, but he's trying to tie a MASSIVE variety of anti-fascist groups, from 'mere' progressives to harder-core socialists to anarchists to, yes, actual Marxists (not to be confused with Stalinists or Maoists; protip, if there are leaders, or if anyone is otherwise 'superior' to anyone else, it's not farking Communism), to the Scary Reds, thus dismissing their efforts.
 
2020-09-20 9:41:27 AM  

g.fro: They might be against fascism, but they are not for democracy


Got any reliable sources saying the bulk of the current U.S. antifa movement is ANTI-democracy?

Because otherwise, it just sounds like you're sealioning in favor fascists :/
 
2020-09-20 10:28:44 AM  

LordJiro: PunGent: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Huh.  Haven't seen a "no true Anti Fascist" argument before.

It's new to me, but not at all compellling.

See, he's totally not a fascist, but he's trying to tie a MASSIVE variety of anti-fascist groups, from 'mere' progressives to harder-core socialists to anarchists to, yes, actual Marxists (not to be confused with Stalinists or Maoists; protip, if there are leaders, or if anyone is otherwise 'superior' to anyone else, it's not farking Communism), to the Scary Reds, thus dismissing their efforts.


Yes, you're right: historical facts have agendas. And everyone knows that there was no such thing as communism. It was an invention of the military-industrial complex to manipulate and frighten Americans. Therefore, anyone who ever mentions communism is obviously engaged in fear mongering.

And you, just like apparently everyone else on Fark, are also totally right that no word exists before you hear of it. And therefore political reality begins on 2016 since you weren't paying attention to a goddamned thing before then.
 
2020-09-20 10:32:26 AM  

PunGent: g.fro: They might be against fascism, but they are not for democracy

Got any reliable sources saying the bulk of the current U.S. antifa movement is ANTI-democracy?

Because otherwise, it just sounds like you're sealioning in favor fascists :/


If the fact that the movement has it's roots in communism isn't enough for you, what kind of facts would be? A notarized mission statement and platform from a leaderless movement?

I presented facts in my ridiculously long post above, so knock it off with your "sealioning" bullshiat.
 
2020-09-20 10:42:31 AM  

Excelsior: gameshowhost: Antifa turned me into a newt.

Did you get better?


nope still a newt

... mostly
 
2020-09-20 11:04:49 AM  
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Antifa's asleep, post ponies.
 
2020-09-20 2:04:41 PM  

tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.



I never thought there would be enough people stupid enough to vote him into office, in the first place.
 
2020-09-20 10:57:57 PM  
BLM is code for black people.
Antifa is code for white people.
MS13 is code for hispanic people

It's not a very good code.
 
2020-09-20 11:09:36 PM  
Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.

What a tool.  I suppose you aren't human either since there are some human communists and you obviously can't let anything be more than one thing.
 
2020-09-21 12:33:39 AM  

Zeromyhero: BLM is code for black people.
Antifa is code for white people.
MS13 is code for hispanic people

It's not a very good code.


D20 is the code for D&D people.
HTML is the code for web people.
 
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