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iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-19 9:59:27 PM  

g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?


I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.
 
g.fro
2020-09-19 10:13:18 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.


Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-19 10:38:57 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.

Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.


I'm not a communist either, but I will gladly take the mantle of being against fascism.

You should, too.
 
Pants full of macaroni!! [BareFark]
2020-09-19 10:50:40 PM  

dbaggins: Antifa has gotten a real Emmanuel Goldstein vibe about it all.   Whether Antifa has historical reality has become irrelevant.   Any protest against existing power is now all part of a plot by Emmanuel Goldstein.


And in this narrative, the part of Emmanuel Goldstein is played by George Soros.
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-19 10:53:44 PM  
I mean, ffs, how hard is this to figure out?

Fascism is bad. The concept is incompatible with liberal democracy. We can be antifa, or, we can be fascists.

That's it.

There's no more to say on the subject.

/Go home.
 
g.fro
2020-09-19 10:55:14 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.

Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.

I'm not a communist either, but I will gladly take the mantle of being against fascism.

You should, too.


If you think I'm not against fascism then you haven't been reading my posts; and if you're not going to read my posts, I'm not going to waste any more time.
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-19 11:01:03 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.

Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.

I'm not a communist either, but I will gladly take the mantle of being against fascism.

You should, too.

If you think I'm not against fascism then you haven't been reading my posts; and if you're not going to read my posts, I'm not going to waste any more time.


Sure, you need to take a bit of time to consider what it means to be against fascism.

Have a think, then get back to me.
 
g.fro
2020-09-19 11:08:05 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: Did you not read the tome I posted above, or are you ignoring it?

I read it, but I'm ignoring it because it's worthless. You might have made a better case arguing about the perversion of the swastika into the hakenkreuz, and how it's problematic to display swastikas openly today. That would have been a good example of how right-wingers tend to ruin everything.

But today? Antifa still has connotations of being against fascism. And that is not a bad position to hold, and it is not incompatible with liberal democracy.

So, I proudly proclaim that I am antifa.

/Just gotta wait for the Sorosbucks to roll right in, now.

Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.

I'm not a communist either, but I will gladly take the mantle of being against fascism.

You should, too.

If you think I'm not against fascism then you haven't been reading my posts; and if you're not going to read my posts, I'm not going to waste any more time.

Sure, you need to take a bit of time to consider what it means to be against fascism.

Have a think, then get back to me.


You are being thick. Not everyone who is against fascism is antifa. It is not a binary where one is either a Nazi or antifa, and if you think it is, you're either a child or an idiot. I don't know what it is about the internet that makes people take pride in their ignorance, and then turn that into feeling superior to people who actually know stuff, but you seem to be textbook example tonight. Go call yourself whatever you want. I don't know why you even care, you're not going to have to deal with whatever shiat happens in the next six weeks.

Have a good night.
 
Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems
2020-09-19 11:14:17 PM  

OptionC: Who is the leader of antifa?


I knew we couldn't trust Pete Townsend!
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-19 11:14:46 PM  

g.fro: Not everyone who is against fascism is antifa.


You can't understand a two syllable word, and you call me thick.
 
iron de havilland [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-19 11:17:43 PM  
OK, I'll admit my own idiocy for not counting the number of syllables in antifa, but the point stands.
 
dkulprit
2020-09-19 11:39:40 PM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.


Except the name is exactly what it's against.  I mean....  the republicans have some pretty nasty history attached to the name too.

So do democrats as before the platform switch they were the conservatives that wanted to keep slavery.

I mean the Irish Republicans committed terrorism.

McVeigh was a registered republican and even voted republican while in jail.

People do stupid shiat under the banner of different names throughout history.  So we shouldn't use the name because some hooligans in europe did some crimes under that name 60+ years ago?

I mean the republicans should probably not use their name because the 2nd largest terrorism act was done by a republican.  Democrats shouldn't use that name because even if the platforms swapped, the name is still attached (and still used by dumbasses) to attach it to slavery.

The name is fine.
 
dkulprit
2020-09-19 11:51:03 PM  

iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Wow, you've got a lot of issues to work through.

Why, because I believe in democracy?

You say that, but you're anti-antifascists, but you say you want to shoot fascists in the face.

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What he's talking about is defense.  Fascism isn't just a political movement.  They have a goal.  And that goal is purity of race and nation.

So we're supposed to stand idly by while they go all holocaust 2.0?  Do you even understand what fascism is?

You do realize they stood and chanted, hundreds deep, "gas the k!kes!" At the Charleston "free speech" rally.... right?  Any group that has an end goal of exterminating entire races of people is not a group to just allow to start enacting their goals.

It's literally how the holocaust happened.  I'm confused by your thinking it's wrong that people are wanting and willing to defend themselves or others.

That's the major difference between anti-fa and fascists.  Fascists will start killing off their own allies who were convenient at the time (see KPD) and people who have the wrong length nose, or too much melanin.  Anti-fa on the other hand.... if you stop being fascist you can go on your merry way.

Nobody has a bone to pick with ex-skinheads that realized jews aren't actually "dirty" and need to be exterminated.  You stop being fascist and nobody will care.  Fascists will kill everyone who isn't like them or thinks like them.

That is the END GOAL OF FASCISM.
 
gameshowhost [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-09-20 12:03:39 AM  
Antifa turned me into a newt.
 
Excelsior
2020-09-20 12:13:06 AM  

gameshowhost: Antifa turned me into a newt.


Did you get better?
 
The Reverend Sam Hill [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-20 12:27:36 AM  

tuxq: Ok. Thinking for myself...


Fark user image
 
electricjebus
2020-09-20 1:08:04 AM  
Did you know that the Bogeyman, or a very similar creature, can be found in every single human culture?

Sure, Antifa technically exists... as a very tenuous alliance of varying ineffectual vaguely left wing organizations... and I'm using the terms "alliance" and "organization" generously.

I mean if you were to hold an Antifa rally it wouldn't devolve into chaos because that's how it'd start, as somebody else put it, organizing that group of people would be like herding cats*.

Antifa makes for a good Bogeyman for the right wing though, you need your extremists to keep making self destructive decisions because if their life is going well for them they probably wouldn't be fanatics, and fear is one of the best ways to keep people making self destructive decisions.

Say you live in an abandoned coal town in the South and you just got fired from Dollar General for farting into the PA system too many times, you're only allowed to do it seven times a day and you did it 8 times a day for three weeks!

So you cash out your 401K and now you have $1,500 burning a hole in your pocket.  Do you
A)  Stop and think "Hey, I'll eventually be unable to work, yet still want to live" and roll it over into an IRA.
B)  Use the money to move to the thriving town, or god forbid, city, 15 miles down the road and get a better job.
C)  Buy your 3rd AR-15 to keep Antifa out of your town which will turn over a new leaf just as soon as Trump gets his second term and people go back to a 19th century fuel source.
D)  Start a college savings account for one of your many children so they can have a better life than you did.

Your country needs you to make choice C Billy!

Antifa will be the Right's Bogeyman for a while, but after some time they'll have to pick a new ridiculous thing to scare their base... they're not complete idiots, after a few years without any busloads of people in black clothes showing up in their town with baseball bats and Molotov cocktails they'll have to point their fingers at a new, barely existent, organization to scare them with.

*Although ironically the "Vegans for Violence" and "Carnivores for human/animal love" would hit it off... just as soon as all 5 of them get over the awkwardness of Jimmy being a member of both groups.
 
PunGent
2020-09-20 4:15:44 AM  

Zizzowop: tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.

Never thought I would see the day groups of people would be pro-fascists. We use to shoot those people.


Yep.  Lost a grandfather doing that.
 
PunGent
2020-09-20 4:25:11 AM  

g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.


Huh.  Haven't seen a "no true Anti Fascist" argument before.

It's new to me, but not at all compellling.
 
LordJiro [BareFark] [OhFark]
2020-09-20 5:43:04 AM  

PunGent: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Huh.  Haven't seen a "no true Anti Fascist" argument before.

It's new to me, but not at all compellling.


See, he's totally not a fascist, but he's trying to tie a MASSIVE variety of anti-fascist groups, from 'mere' progressives to harder-core socialists to anarchists to, yes, actual Marxists (not to be confused with Stalinists or Maoists; protip, if there are leaders, or if anyone is otherwise 'superior' to anyone else, it's not farking Communism), to the Scary Reds, thus dismissing their efforts.
 
PunGent
2020-09-20 9:41:27 AM  

g.fro: They might be against fascism, but they are not for democracy


Got any reliable sources saying the bulk of the current U.S. antifa movement is ANTI-democracy?

Because otherwise, it just sounds like you're sealioning in favor fascists :/
 
g.fro
2020-09-20 10:28:44 AM  

LordJiro: PunGent: g.fro: iron de havilland: ...

So, because some unsavoury people have rallied under the banner of anti-fascism in the past, we shouldn't be anti-fascist today?

Maybe use a different name?

Better yet, don't label yourself by what you are against, but by what you are for. I'm much more interested in working with people who want to support democracy rather than simply settle for anything that's not fascism.

Also, I don't care how much someone says they are against fascism if they aren't willing to shoot fascists in the face. That is the only way to deal with Nazis.

Huh.  Haven't seen a "no true Anti Fascist" argument before.

It's new to me, but not at all compellling.

See, he's totally not a fascist, but he's trying to tie a MASSIVE variety of anti-fascist groups, from 'mere' progressives to harder-core socialists to anarchists to, yes, actual Marxists (not to be confused with Stalinists or Maoists; protip, if there are leaders, or if anyone is otherwise 'superior' to anyone else, it's not farking Communism), to the Scary Reds, thus dismissing their efforts.


Yes, you're right: historical facts have agendas. And everyone knows that there was no such thing as communism. It was an invention of the military-industrial complex to manipulate and frighten Americans. Therefore, anyone who ever mentions communism is obviously engaged in fear mongering.

And you, just like apparently everyone else on Fark, are also totally right that no word exists before you hear of it. And therefore political reality begins on 2016 since you weren't paying attention to a goddamned thing before then.
 
g.fro
2020-09-20 10:32:26 AM  

PunGent: g.fro: They might be against fascism, but they are not for democracy

Got any reliable sources saying the bulk of the current U.S. antifa movement is ANTI-democracy?

Because otherwise, it just sounds like you're sealioning in favor fascists :/


If the fact that the movement has it's roots in communism isn't enough for you, what kind of facts would be? A notarized mission statement and platform from a leaderless movement?

I presented facts in my ridiculously long post above, so knock it off with your "sealioning" bullshiat.
 
gameshowhost [recently expired TotalFark]
2020-09-20 10:42:31 AM  

Excelsior: gameshowhost: Antifa turned me into a newt.

Did you get better?


nope still a newt

... mostly
 
Mouser
2020-09-20 11:04:49 AM  
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Antifa's asleep, post ponies.
 
Raymond L Yacht [TotalFark]
2020-09-20 2:04:41 PM  

tuxq: Never thought I'd see people openly defending antifa. Kind of a sad state of affairs.

Oh well. I'll be back November 5th when Trump has won to see how you guys are coping.



I never thought there would be enough people stupid enough to vote him into office, in the first place.
 
Zeromyhero [BareFark]
2020-09-20 10:57:57 PM  
BLM is code for black people.
Antifa is code for white people.
MS13 is code for hispanic people

It's not a very good code.
 
Zeromyhero [BareFark]
2020-09-20 11:09:36 PM  
Good for you. I'm not a communist, so no matter how much I oppose fascism, I'm not adopting that title.

What a tool.  I suppose you aren't human either since there are some human communists and you obviously can't let anything be more than one thing.
 
Mock26
2020-09-21 12:33:39 AM  

Zeromyhero: BLM is code for black people.
Antifa is code for white people.
MS13 is code for hispanic people

It's not a very good code.


D20 is the code for D&D people.
HTML is the code for web people.
 
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