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2020-09-19 11:53:43 AM  
If you have to ask if you're a Karen.

You're a Karen.

The fact that you have the awareness to think you may be a Karen says there may be hope for you to change your Karenness.
 
2020-09-19 12:15:19 PM  

BizarreMan: The fact that you have the awareness to think you may be a Karen says there may be hope for you to change your Karenness.


No prudie, there's no hope; she's a Karen, she'll always be a Karen, and the only time she won't be a Karen is when she suppresses her Karen-ness, which she'll only do in a self-serving fashion.

Narcissists are narcissists for life.
Karens are narcissists.
QED: Karens are Karens for life.
 
2020-09-19 2:38:03 PM  
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You'll get it, Karen.
 
2020-09-19 2:42:07 PM  
Ask the manager.
 
2020-09-19 2:48:55 PM  

BizarreMan: If you have to ask if you're a Karen.

You're a Karen.


I would think the opposite.
 
2020-09-19 3:02:56 PM  

BMFPitt: BizarreMan: If you have to ask if you're a Karen.

You're a Karen.

I would think the opposite.


It's like being cool.  If you need to ask someone if you are cool, you aren't.

If you are worried about being a Karen, then you care too much about what other people think about you which confirms you at least have Karen-like tendencies.  The "worry" about being a Karen comes from the fact that the Karen knows they have used their privileged to do shiatty things to other people, they are just virtue signaling to save their image in case they haven't been outted yet.
 
2020-09-19 3:22:30 PM  
You have the sense of entitlement that you often accuse younger people of having, but greater.
 
2020-09-19 3:28:49 PM  
She emailed Prudence's manager after seeing that response, didn't she?
 
2020-09-19 3:30:31 PM  
I dunno... aren't there times when people SHOULD speak up? If you were genuinely wronged at a business (if you ordered something at a restaurant and you got something else, or if they charged you twice for something at the store)? And I say this as the kind of person who'd rather just quietly endure such things rather than make a fuss. I do occasionally, especially now with the pandemic, get fits of standing up for myself, like I'll give people who are standing too close the stink-eye or say "can you not read signs? It says to wait until the cashier calls you up." Not very often, mind you. But how do you not get we're in the middle of a pandemic?

Anyway, there's a difference between assertiveness in response to a genuine concern and entitlement. Exhibiting the former doesn't make you a Karen, the latter does.

Although, I think people get that. Sorry, I don't know why I said anything.
 
2020-09-19 3:44:25 PM  
i demand to see the manager right farking now!
 
2020-09-19 3:52:38 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: I dunno... aren't there times when people SHOULD speak up? If you were genuinely wronged at a business (if you ordered something at a restaurant and you got something else, or if they charged you twice for something at the store)? And I say this as the kind of person who'd rather just quietly endure such things rather than make a fuss. I do occasionally, especially now with the pandemic, get fits of standing up for myself, like I'll give people who are standing too close the stink-eye or say "can you not read signs? It says to wait until the cashier calls you up." Not very often, mind you. But how do you not get we're in the middle of a pandemic?

Anyway, there's a difference between assertiveness in response to a genuine concern and entitlement. Exhibiting the former doesn't make you a Karen, the latter does.

Although, I think people get that. Sorry, I don't know why I said anything.


Your response may have been needlessly complicated.
I agree with it though.
 
2020-09-19 3:55:38 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Anyway, there's a difference between assertiveness in response to a genuine concern and entitlement. Exhibiting the former doesn't make you a Karen, the latter does.



There is also the 'start slowly' idea: don't go from zero to Karen in .2 seconds.

There should be several intermediary steps between "hmm, this isn't quite right" and "Karen".
 
2020-09-19 3:55:45 PM  
Karen is getting stale, like 420, woke, big yikes, and anything being "fire".
Prob gonna get "OK Boomer"ed for this.
Give Karen a Chicago Overcoat, this grummy dewdropper's had an earful, dig?
 
2020-09-19 3:57:37 PM  
"How do I know if I'm a Karen?"


People will call you Karen, even if that's not your name.
 
2020-09-19 4:01:32 PM  
I asked not that long ago. Customer service at Crappy Tire wouldn't refund a product that was broken right out of the package. An air horn came in two pieces and the top wouldn't screw onto the bottle. The threads didn't match. It was an instant "get your manager" from me because if someone isn't authorized to say yes there's no point believing the no.
 
2020-09-19 4:01:51 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: I dunno... aren't there times when people SHOULD speak up? If you were genuinely wronged at a business (if you ordered something at a restaurant and you got something else, or if they charged you twice for something at the store)? And I say this as the kind of person who'd rather just quietly endure such things rather than make a fuss. I do occasionally, especially now with the pandemic, get fits of standing up for myself, like I'll give people who are standing too close the stink-eye or say "can you not read signs? It says to wait until the cashier calls you up." Not very often, mind you. But how do you not get we're in the middle of a pandemic?

Anyway, there's a difference between assertiveness in response to a genuine concern and entitlement. Exhibiting the former doesn't make you a Karen, the latter does.

Although, I think people get that. Sorry, I don't know why I said anything.


User name does check out admirably.  If something has genuinely gone farko, sure ask to see 'em.  It's half of what they're there for - to resolve non-standard problems.  It's when you start doing it seeking privileged treatment, or just to complain about shiat no one can fix - that's when you're on the road to Karen-dom.  Most especially when you're complaining when you in fact are the one that farked up - that's red flag #1.
 
2020-09-19 4:18:04 PM  

BMFPitt: BizarreMan: If you have to ask if you're a Karen.

You're a Karen.

I would think the opposite.


She frequently asks to speak to the manager.  She's a Karen.  In the unlikely case she doesn't have the haircut, she should see a stylist assuming the restrictions aren't in place.
/is "frequently" even necessary
//if you have to speak to the manager, you've already admitted you are a Karen
///I think that even admitting the adjective is a warning that you will always be a Karen
/* Sorry about the name.  I think all the Karens I know aren't this type of Karen
 
2020-09-19 4:33:49 PM  

BizarreMan: If you have to ask if you're a Karen.

You're a Karen.

The fact that you have the awareness to think you may be a Karen says there may be hope for you to change your Karenness.


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2020-09-19 4:38:23 PM  
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2020-09-19 4:39:46 PM  
If you get the wrong order at restaurant, you should speak up and if the server can't resolve the problem, yes you should ask to speak to the manager.

Where the amount Karen-ness comes in to the equation is the desired end result.
Are you:
(A) Trying to get the error corrected
(B) Trying to get a free meal
(C) Trying to get someone fired
 
2020-09-19 5:04:00 PM  

Por que tan serioso: [Fark user image 400x435]


I like that Karen took some action and wrote to the people at The Internet.
 
2020-09-19 5:30:25 PM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: If you get the wrong order at restaurant, you should speak up and if the server can't resolve the problem, yes you should ask to speak to the manager.

Where the amount Karen-ness comes in to the equation is the desired end result.
Are you:
(A) Trying to get the error corrected
(B) Trying to get a free meal
(C) Trying to get someone fired


D) Trying to get attention
 
2020-09-19 5:50:16 PM  
1) She's Trading Her MG For A White Chrysler LeBaron: If you have to ask, yes.  So STFU and MYOB.

2) Cats Purring At Me, Love When I Stroke Them: The cats have done nothing wrong.  STFU and take care of the damn cats for a few weeks.  Assuming treatment goes OK and your sister comes back, try to work out a plan for the future.

3) Naughty, Naughty, Loud And Bawdy: Tell him to STFU.
 
2020-09-19 6:04:49 PM  
 As as been noted elsewhere in the thread, there really are times you need to request a manager. Now, if an item I'm purchasing rings up $1 more than the advertised price, I let that sorta thing go. Who argues over a dollar unless it's the last dollar to your name? When I order a steak m-rare and it comes out well-done, I just politely tell the server and they apologize and handle the situation themselves. But if said server were to deny my request for a new steak? Yeah, it's time to ask for the manager. That's not Karen.
 
2020-09-19 7:27:38 PM  
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If you look like this, you're a Karen.
 
2020-09-19 8:19:33 PM  
Reading that last letter is just... *shudders*

I had a guy like that in college. Followed me around, didn't take my hints, and when I flat-out said I wasn't ready for dating at that point he said 'oh, okay, we'll take it slow'. I don't know how stalker-y he could've gotten because I just flat-out avoided him like the plague, but how can a kid do that in grade school? This is the point where teachers and parents all need to hear the dad saying: "Your kid is accidentally harassing my daughter. We need a plan to make this stop. If there is no plan, I am going to take this to the police as a valid harassment case, because this is illegal behavior and you need to stop it.".

It is not a girl's job to be a guy's girlfriend, therapist, or learning situation. The more adults are just smiling and nodding, the more this child is learning that's okay, and the girl is learning she can't get help if someone's harassing her. That's not cool.
 
2020-09-19 8:27:05 PM  

lurkey: Karen is getting stale, like 420, woke, big yikes, and anything being "fire".
Prob gonna get "OK Boomer"ed for this.
Give Karen a Chicago Overcoat, this grummy dewdropper's had an earful, dig?


Hit the bricks, yegg. This ain't your garden party. We're bumping gums here, no banana oil.
 
2020-09-19 8:30:54 PM  

lurkey: Karen is getting stale, like 420, woke, big yikes, and anything being "fire".
Prob gonna get "OK Boomer"ed for this.
Give Karen a Chicago Overcoat, this grummy dewdropper's had an earful, dig?


Suddenly Karen.
 
2020-09-19 10:43:29 PM  
FARK the Karen meme. I'm even hearing it on the radio now. Fark has many memes that need to farking die. They aren't funny or catchy anymore.
 
2020-09-19 10:58:53 PM  

BizarreMan: If you have to ask if you're a Karen.

You're a Karen.

The fact that you have the awareness to think you may be a Karen says there may be hope for you to change your Karenness.


Done in one.

I'll get the lights.
 
2020-09-19 11:45:57 PM  

WTFDYW: FARK the Karen meme. I'm even hearing it on the radio now. Fark has many memes that need to farking die. They aren't funny or catchy anymore.


You think this shiathole coined Karen? Some engineer or accountant with a cellphone holster didn't come up with such a simple and effective burn.
 
2020-09-20 1:27:09 AM  

Needlessly Complicated: I dunno... aren't there times when people SHOULD speak up? If you were genuinely wronged at a business (if you ordered something at a restaurant and you got something else, or if they charged you twice for something at the store)? And I say this as the kind of person who'd rather just quietly endure such things rather than make a fuss. I do occasionally, especially now with the pandemic, get fits of standing up for myself, like I'll give people who are standing too close the stink-eye or say "can you not read signs? It says to wait until the cashier calls you up." Not very often, mind you. But how do you not get we're in the middle of a pandemic?

Anyway, there's a difference between assertiveness in response to a genuine concern and entitlement. Exhibiting the former doesn't make you a Karen, the latter does.

Although, I think people get that. Sorry, I don't know why I said anything.


And approach is everything. Honey/vinegar...
 
2020-09-20 1:28:46 AM  

WTFDYW: FARK the Karen meme. I'm even hearing it on the radio now. Fark has many memes that need to farking die. They aren't funny or catchy anymore.


The manager isn't here right now. How can I help you?
 
2020-09-20 4:07:15 AM  
I don't let things like a wrong price or a wrong order slide. I point it out in a friendly manner and help to fix the problem as best I can. This works 95 percent of the time. I've never gotten anyone's manager involved.
 
2020-09-20 1:02:11 PM  
Russ1642:

Canadian Tire is crap because of it being a franchise.....

And since the franchisee is most likely 3rd generation at this point, doesn't care
 
2020-09-20 6:35:18 PM  

AuralArgument: Russ1642:

Canadian Tire is crap because of it being a franchise.....

And since the franchisee is most likely 3rd generation at this point, doesn't care


They might sell some crap but their return policies are just fine, however, they don't appear to be giving any authority to the people at customer service so it's pointless to deal with them. There's such a wide range in the quality of their stock that you really have to watch out. Some of it is absolute garbage, while some of it is top quality. You can't depend on whatever you're buying being any better than Dollarama so you have to pay close attention.
 
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