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2020-09-19 9:07:54 AM  
I dunno
 
2020-09-19 9:08:03 AM  
Maybe people should imagine that?
 
2020-09-19 9:09:41 AM  
Mrs Babbitt and I are reading the article in in the Iowa city Press Citizen, and scratching our heads.  I keep having the zimbardo prison experiment go through my head when I hear about re-enactments. I think assignments that require an IRB should be considered very carefully if considered at all.
 
2020-09-19 9:11:40 AM  

waxbeans: Maybe people should imagine that?


Wouldn't do any good.  The problem children would be imagining happy dancing and singing subservients like it was Song of the South returned to save them from admitting they're pricks.
 
2020-09-19 9:15:57 AM  
'pretend you are a slave an unemployed teacher assignment'

idjut
 
2020-09-19 9:16:48 AM  
The kids could not really understand the horror of slavery unless they apply black shoe polish to their faces. Glad I could help.
 
2020-09-19 9:18:21 AM  
My son likes to pretend he is a robot.
 
2020-09-19 9:19:18 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: waxbeans: Maybe people should imagine that?

Wouldn't do any good.  The problem children would be imagining happy dancing and singing subservients like it was Song of the South returned to save them from admitting they're pricks.


Or the teacher couldf discuss the challenges they faced and lead a discussion to surface ideas about how they could and would have needed to band together, the value of the courts in.  securing rights whether the 2nd amendment is actually useful or harmful, It could be a springboard to explore a lot of issues and history around civil rights.

But best in group discussions, with individual assignments coming later
 
2020-09-19 9:21:03 AM  
Imagine the United States in the year 2020 with a racist President and a bunch of idiots that adore him.
 
2020-09-19 9:21:39 AM  
Maybe this assignment is tone deaf.  But I can also see how it can make students think about, on a practical level, how difficult life was post Civil War for freed slaves.  some of these kids may think that the slaves were freed and all was fine in the world.  Force them to think about a world that is far from their modern comfort zone.
 
2020-09-19 9:23:20 AM  
I don't see anything wrong with the assignment. Putting yourself in someone else's place, big deal. I can imagine a lot of terrible things. I can imagine being a Jew in Auschwitz, or being a native American and seeing the first ships sailing in, or being an immigrant American in 2020. I can even imagine being the White House silverware on the day Donnie has to move out - what will become of me? Where the hell will I end up? He can't let anyone know he's got me. Am I going to be melted down and turned into a toilet handle? How dreadfully gauche, a gold toilet with a silver handle. Enough to make you lose your lunch.
 
2020-09-19 9:24:00 AM  

Salmon: My son likes to pretend he is a robot.


Stop being transistorphobic.
 
2020-09-19 9:27:46 AM  
I run into large numbers of people who are totally clueless about the world outside their little bubble or otherwise tone deaf.  I'm astonished that they can function in society at all.
 
2020-09-19 9:32:25 AM  

Salmon: My son likes to pretend he is a robot.



But a free robot, right?

Not one of those cunning slave robots who will rise up and kill us all, I hope.
 
2020-09-19 9:32:25 AM  
When I was in school and learning about the Holocaust, they handed out cards with the names of real Jewish prisoners, describing their fate in second person. The one I got said I'd been locked in my own house and burned alive. Of course, I thought this was badass because I was an edgelord little shiat at the time, but looking back I can understand what they were going for. This seems like a similar attempt, except not as well thought out.
 
2020-09-19 9:33:01 AM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: waxbeans: Maybe people should imagine that?

Wouldn't do any good.  The problem children would be imagining happy dancing and singing subservients like it was Song of the South returned to save them from admitting they're pricks.

Or the teacher couldf discuss the challenges they faced and lead a discussion to surface ideas about how they could and would have needed to band together, the value of the courts in.  securing rights whether the 2nd amendment is actually useful or harmful, It could be a springboard to explore a lot of issues and history around civil rights.

But best in group discussions, with individual assignments coming later


It's not necessarily a terrible idea in a formal educational environment, but I'd send home, "This is going to be a thing, if you want your kid out of that you can do so." forms.  Some racists would use it to skeeve out of being confronted with their shiat, but that'd be livable to avoid potential "I don't want to be the Black kid sitting there with everyone eyeballing me thinking about slavery" stuff.

I really was derailing a bit, and talking about those supposedly already educated and a good deal older, but considering the subject matter of the article yeah I shoulda made that clear.
 
2020-09-19 9:34:16 AM  
I had to do that in school. Opens your eyes. What's the big deal?
 
2020-09-19 9:36:12 AM  
As if adults let alone children have any historical perspective before the day they were born. There's no need to go as far as being a slave. Let's just talk about being alive in 1865:

Soap wasn't a wide spred thing.
You 'washed' your hair with egg whites.
You woke up everyday thinking,'do I get to eat today?'
When you hit 14-15 you were married off to the neighbors son and started having babies. Lots of them. Half of which will die before 8 of tb, smallpox etc
Everyday was a pandemic and yet they kept on going.

It's more important to get a perspective on how life used to be so we can appreciate it NOT having to be that way.
 
2020-09-19 9:39:13 AM  
What a bunch of idiots.  This is a valid assignment.  But of course people have to get that gold medal in the oppression olympics these days.
 
2020-09-19 9:40:23 AM  
I remember dressing up like a "hobo" in elementary school to discuss there role during the great depression.
 
2020-09-19 9:43:02 AM  

Herr Morgenstern: When I was in school and learning about the Holocaust, they handed out cards with the names of real Jewish prisoners, describing their fate in second person. The one I got said I'd been locked in my own house and burned alive. Of course, I thought this was badass because I was an edgelord little shiat at the time, but looking back I can understand what they were going for. This seems like a similar attempt, except not as well thought out.


When you go to the holocaust museum in DC they do the same thing. Give you a booklet about a person's life.
 
2020-09-19 9:47:48 AM  
"Think hard about how much it sucked to be a slave and why this was bad." Doesn't seem like a horrible assignment to me.  Can easily do the same for Indians, Jess, or even ethnic Albanians.
shiat, go for "You are an everyday Iraqi who lives under a brutal dictator, but for the most part you are getting by fine and can feed your family and don't have disruptions to the utility grid. Now the Americans just rolled a tank through your house.  How do you feel about that? "
 
2020-09-19 9:48:53 AM  

ChuckGandCrew: I remember dressing up like a "hobo" in elementary school to discuss there role during the great depression.


Um...if you're Gen-X or older, that was just your mom's last-minute Halloween costume for you because she forgot all about it.
 
2020-09-19 9:49:44 AM  

Eightballjacket: But I can also see how it can make students think about, on a practical level, how difficult life was post Civil War for freed slaves.


At least get them to understand that it's just a teensy bit worse than having to wear a gottdam mask.
 
2020-09-19 10:00:12 AM  

waxbeans: Maybe people should imagine that?


Maybe a better question would be:

"what would you do to the people that enslaved you and kept you from learning to read and write?"
 
2020-09-19 10:03:45 AM  
I read a lot about histories atrocities. It makes me sad and I often imagine what it was like when I'm reading and looking at old pictures. I guess I should fire myself.
 
2020-09-19 10:05:59 AM  

IamTomJoad: waxbeans: Maybe people should imagine that?

Maybe a better question would be:

"what would you do to the people that enslaved you and kept you from learning to read and write?"


I'd kill them. But they're already dead.
 
2020-09-19 10:10:21 AM  

Salmon: My son likes to pretend he is a robot.


He's not pretending.
 
2020-09-19 10:12:15 AM  
OK, but I get to be Jhango.
 
2020-09-19 10:12:37 AM  

Rock Krenn: Salmon: My son likes to pretend he is a robot.


But a free robot, right?

Not one of those cunning slave robots who will rise up and kill us all, I hope.


In The Distant Future, right?
 
2020-09-19 10:14:07 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: waxbeans: Maybe people should imagine that?

Wouldn't do any good.  The problem children would be imagining happy dancing and singing subservients like it was Song of the South returned to save them from admitting they're pricks.


😔
 
2020-09-19 10:16:41 AM  

MythDragon: "Think hard about how much it sucked to be a slave and why this was bad." Doesn't seem like a horrible assignment to me.  Can easily do the same for Indians, Jess, or even ethnic Albanians.
shiat, go for "You are an everyday Iraqi who lives under a brutal dictator, but for the most part you are getting by fine and can feed your family and don't have disruptions to the utility grid. Now the Americans just rolled a tank through your house.  How do you feel about that? "


I completely agree Jess had a terrible life, I'd say worse than ethnic Albanians.
 
2020-09-19 10:18:47 AM  
If I were a kid and I had to think about how my ancestors were slaves, I'd cry too, and there's nothing wrong with that. Pretending like history didn't happen is not a good thing.

Also, putting ourselves in other people's shoes seems to be one of the few ways people actually understand each other and things change.
 
2020-09-19 10:20:17 AM  
That's a perfectly reasonable prompt for a writing assignment.  Actually having the students physically roleplay scenarios like that would be a bit fat "no", but if you're talking about a basic essay question that's completely within the bounds of appropriate, although worded far too melodramatically for my personal teaching style.

I'd even consider all the inevitable smartasses who turned in the worksheet with the question blank on the grounds that slaves in the 1800s were typically illiterate worthy of half credit.

There's an argument to be made for not subjecting students to things that bring up their individual trauma outside of actual therapy, but that's contingent on (1) it being an actual trauma they've individually experienced, which is literally 100% impossible in this case because that form of slavery hasn't existed for 160 years and (2) that they are, in fact, undergoing proper therapy to deal with it, which is... unlikely.

Basically if you don't literally have a doctor's note, do your farking homework, kid.

// This is all an aside, because they teacher isn't actually being fired for offending the student.  It's Iowa, she's 100% definitely beyond any reasonable doubt being fired for actually trying to teach the students the real history of the US regarding slavery, something that the white supremacists who likely make up the majority of the school board in this district find deeply offensive.

// Anyone who is seriously proposing that this is a PC police over-reaction in motherfarking IOWA should consider going back to school or at least reading a farking book.  Like... literally any book would improve their awareness of literally everything in existence if they're that farking ignorant.
 
2020-09-19 10:23:11 AM  
Yes, let's never ever try to feel any sort of empathy for any other person.
 
2020-09-19 10:26:25 AM  
Of all the things to get outraged about, what the teacher did is NOT one of those things.

Maybe people in Iowa are, you know, "different". A little slow, maybe?
 
2020-09-19 10:30:33 AM  

WithinReason: OK, but I get to be Jhango.


Djeez, the movie even *tells* you what the silent first letter is.
 
2020-09-19 10:35:01 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: Of all the things to get outraged about, what the teacher did is NOT one of those things.

Maybe people in Iowa are, you know, "different". A little slow, maybe?


Nah, Iowa may be a little late to the party but this is all liberal 2020 woke BLM i'm offended by everything millennial gotta walk on eggshells cancel culture  faux hippy college professor indoctrination bullshiat
 
2020-09-19 10:42:11 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: Of all the things to get outraged about, what the teacher did is NOT one of those things.

Maybe people in Iowa are, you know, "different". A little slow, maybe?


Nine minutes.  It took nine minutes for someone to show up and support your hypothesis.
 
2020-09-19 10:42:46 AM  

devilskware: MelGoesOnTour: Of all the things to get outraged about, what the teacher did is NOT one of those things.

Maybe people in Iowa are, you know, "different". A little slow, maybe?

Nah, Iowa may be a little late to the party but this is all liberal 2020 woke BLM i'm offended by everything millennial gotta walk on eggshells cancel culture  faux hippy college professor indoctrination bullshiat


With the free space......BINGO!!!!

It's a cover all win!!!
 
2020-09-19 10:44:44 AM  

recombobulator: MelGoesOnTour: Of all the things to get outraged about, what the teacher did is NOT one of those things.

Maybe people in Iowa are, you know, "different". A little slow, maybe?

Nine minutes.  It took nine minutes for someone to show up and support your hypothesis.


Who me? I'm from Texas. We are super smart down here. All the Mexicans spike the numbers up.
 
2020-09-19 10:46:56 AM  
If decades from now we no longer have to hear idiots declare "taxes iz slavery!!1!" then I'm all for this.
 
2020-09-19 10:47:00 AM  

IamTomJoad: devilskware: MelGoesOnTour: Of all the things to get outraged about, what the teacher did is NOT one of those things.

Maybe people in Iowa are, you know, "different". A little slow, maybe?

Nah, Iowa may be a little late to the party but this is all liberal 2020 woke BLM i'm offended by everything millennial gotta walk on eggshells cancel culture  faux hippy college professor indoctrination bullshiat

With the free space......BINGO!!!!

It's a cover all win!!!


Yay! I thought I might have forgot something.  oh yea All Lives Matter. Bonus points biatches
 
2020-09-19 10:53:28 AM  

EasilyDistracted: Rock Krenn: Salmon: My son likes to pretend he is a robot.


But a free robot, right?

Not one of those cunning slave robots who will rise up and kill us all, I hope.

In The Distant Future, right?


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2020-09-19 10:57:16 AM  

crozzo: or being a native American and seeing the first ships sailing in,


Uh, so you're imagining welcoming them with open arms?

How is that traumatic?
 
2020-09-19 11:01:45 AM  

devilskware: IamTomJoad: devilskware: MelGoesOnTour: Of all the things to get outraged about, what the teacher did is NOT one of those things.

Maybe people in Iowa are, you know, "different". A little slow, maybe?

Nah, Iowa may be a little late to the party but this is all liberal 2020 woke BLM i'm offended by everything millennial gotta walk on eggshells cancel culture  faux hippy college professor indoctrination bullshiat

With the free space......BINGO!!!!

It's a cover all win!!!

Yay! I thought I might have forgot something.  oh yea All Lives Matter. Bonus points biatches


In all fairness, I was sure I'd never get faux hippie.
 
2020-09-19 11:11:05 AM  
Does bring up the hard question. Just how do you teach kids about in a meaningful way?
 
2020-09-19 11:15:40 AM  
Where's the problem? Is it wrong to learn empathy by a simple gedankenexperiment in which you put yourself in the shoes of someone suffering?
 
2020-09-19 11:18:19 AM  
Seems like a reasonable assignment if done right. Even though they were freed, former slaves faced huge obstacles such as sharecropping, Jim Crow laws, unequal (or no) education, just to name a few. Seems like a good way to connect the dots of how we got to where we are today vis-a-vis racial inequality in America. Oddly enough the very people who one would think would be most supportive of such an assignment (Blacks, historians, etc) seem to be most against it. Go figure.
 
2020-09-19 11:30:08 AM  
This week we had a Dallas teacher have their students write about Why the Kenosha shooter was a hero and another teacher write about being freed as a slave.
 
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