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(WSBTV)   "Broadly canceling student loan debt will improve the lives of tens of millions of Americans, give a boost to our economy during this pandemic and beyond," according to Senator Elizabeth Warren; naturally, some people have a problem with this   (wsbtv.com) divider line
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2020-09-18 9:56:08 PM  
But...but...PHILOSOPHY DEGREES!
 
2020-09-19 2:24:24 AM  
People have to have money to buy stuff to help stimulate the economy, especially in 2020 and 2021. If people are burdened with student loan payments, and/or mortgage payments, then they won't have excess money to spend on restaurants, clothes, and other goods and services. If the corporations can get huge tax breaks and bailouts to the tune of trillions, I'm sure we could find enough money to forgive student loan debt. It might be one of the best ways to help save the economy.
 
2020-09-19 2:25:04 AM  
This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?
 
2020-09-19 2:26:35 AM  

Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?


How fair was giving billions to bail out companies?
 
2020-09-19 2:26:55 AM  
I like how if this passes people who don't go to college get a royal shaft in the butt. Because electricians, machinists, Plummer's, and carpenters aren't worth their time.
 
2020-09-19 2:28:24 AM  

ImmutableTenderloin: I like how if this passes people who don't go to college get a royal shaft in the butt. Because electricians, machinists, Plummer's, and carpenters aren't worth their time.


It doesn't hurt any of them.  If anything, their customers might be able to afford them this way.
 
2020-09-19 2:29:21 AM  

Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?


When did life become fair?

I don't have any school loans and I think this is a good idea.
 
2020-09-19 2:29:32 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

How fair was giving billions to bail out companies?


So, if we keep doing wrong things, everything equals out?

That's how you get Trump. Do you want more Trump?
 
2020-09-19 2:30:42 AM  

Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?


When I was in college they started those "debit" cards (should have been called debt cards) i watched people constantly blow their money like they would never have to pay it back, i have no sympathy.  Paid of my loans and did it through sacrifice and extra work, too many of my friends that are still paying, new cars, each new iPhone, kids, apartments downtown, craft drinks, its nuts now they all want their loans forgiven
 
2020-09-19 2:31:03 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

When did life become fair?

I don't have any school loans and I think this is a good idea.


I have plenty of debt, and no one is bailing me out. Why not? The debt I have was accumulated in an attempt to realize a dream for a better world by providing a useful service. Does that help my forgiveness qualification?
 
2020-09-19 2:31:36 AM  
All this loan forgiveness will still amount to big bailouts to the banks, though; unless there's some other formulation to it. So why should the banks care?
 
2020-09-19 2:32:02 AM  

Alphax: ImmutableTenderloin: I like how if this passes people who don't go to college get a royal shaft in the butt. Because electricians, machinists, Plummer's, and carpenters aren't worth their time.

It doesn't hurt any of them.  If anything, their customers might be able to afford them this way.


This.  I don't have any student loan debt and I think student loan debt forgiveness is a fantastic idea.  Folks saying otherwise are incredibly shortsighted.
 
2020-09-19 2:32:10 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

How fair was giving billions to bail out companies?


shouldn't have done that either
 
2020-09-19 2:32:30 AM  

Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?


Better question:  Why are Rugged IndividualistsTM always such whining tittybabies?
 
2020-09-19 2:32:35 AM  

Alphax: ImmutableTenderloin: I like how if this passes people who don't go to college get a royal shaft in the butt. Because electricians, machinists, Plummer's, and carpenters aren't worth their time.

It doesn't hurt any of them.  If anything, their customers might be able to afford them this way.


"Might" is the opportune word.

People bust their ass to get ahead in different ways. Because you chose To take a loan out to and spend it on your personal brain trust instead of learning on the job how to work with your hands should not be looked over by the Democrats. If Democrats want to appeal to the masses, don't segregate them.
 
2020-09-19 2:33:12 AM  

Destructor: Space Station Wagon: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

When did life become fair?

I don't have any school loans and I think this is a good idea.

I have plenty of debt, and no one is bailing me out. Why not? The debt I have was accumulated in an attempt to realize a dream for a better world by providing a useful service. Does that help my forgiveness qualification?


So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?
 
2020-09-19 2:33:38 AM  

WillofJ2: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

When I was in college they started those "debit" cards (should have been called debt cards) i watched people constantly blow their money like they would never have to pay it back, i have no sympathy.  Paid of my loans and did it through sacrifice and extra work, too many of my friends that are still paying, new cars, each new iPhone, kids, apartments downtown, craft drinks, its nuts now they all want their loans forgiven


Once upon a time, it was possible to worked your way through school. Oh, not an ivy league school, but a school. Now, I'm not so sure.

Anyway, debt forgiveness doesn't really solve an institutional problem.
 
2020-09-19 2:33:41 AM  

Destructor: Space Station Wagon: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

When did life become fair?

I don't have any school loans and I think this is a good idea.

I have plenty of debt, and no one is bailing me out. Why not? The debt I have was accumulated in an attempt to realize a dream for a better world by providing a useful service. Does that help my forgiveness qualification?


lol i hope you go bankrupt
 
2020-09-19 2:33:43 AM  

Z-clipped: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

Better question:  Why are Rugged IndividualistsTM always such whining tittybabies?


Genetics.
 
2020-09-19 2:34:14 AM  

ImmutableTenderloin: Alphax: ImmutableTenderloin: I like how if this passes people who don't go to college get a royal shaft in the butt. Because electricians, machinists, Plummer's, and carpenters aren't worth their time.

It doesn't hurt any of them.  If anything, their customers might be able to afford them this way.

"Might" is the opportune word.

People bust their ass to get ahead in different ways. Because you chose To take a loan out to and spend it on your personal brain trust instead of learning on the job how to work with your hands should not be looked over by the Democrats. If Democrats want to appeal to the masses, don't segregate them.


I think you are looking for ways for this to offend you when they don't actually exist.
 
2020-09-19 2:34:20 AM  

WillofJ2: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

When I was in college they started those "debit" cards (should have been called debt cards) i watched people constantly blow their money like they would never have to pay it back, i have no sympathy.  Paid of my loans and did it through sacrifice and extra work, too many of my friends that are still paying, new cars, each new iPhone, kids, apartments downtown, craft drinks, its nuts now they all want their loans forgiven


So everyone who has been overcharged by the education industry is just like your loser friends?
 
2020-09-19 2:35:04 AM  

Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?


That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?
 
2020-09-19 2:35:43 AM  

zeroandjune: lol i hope you go bankrupt


Wow, you're fun. Why not just wish that I die? Far more effective.
 
2020-09-19 2:35:51 AM  
How much was she making as a law school faculty member when huge tuition hikes caused students to take out these loans?
 
2020-09-19 2:38:10 AM  

Alphax: ImmutableTenderloin: I like how if this passes people who don't go to college get a royal shaft in the butt. Because electricians, machinists, Plummer's, and carpenters aren't worth their time.

It doesn't hurt any of them.  If anything, their customers might be able to afford them this way.


Definitely.  I would actually afford to spend money on stuff.  Might even be able to buy a house, and then I'd have to hire specialists to do work.  All I can do right now is rent, so landlords just hire whoever is the cheapest.
 
2020-09-19 2:38:27 AM  

Destructor: zeroandjune: lol i hope you go bankrupt

Wow, you're fun. Why not just wish that I die? Far more effective.


because you deserve to suffer for being an asshole
 
2020-09-19 2:38:46 AM  

Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?


Because you're part of the same society.
 
2020-09-19 2:39:58 AM  

shpritz: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

Because you're part of the same society.


Can I force those that went to college to pay off my debt?
 
2020-09-19 2:41:04 AM  

Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?


I don't have kids why should I have to subsidize those who do?
Because we live in a civilized and socialized society. It is for the greater good.
 
2020-09-19 2:41:29 AM  

Alphax: ImmutableTenderloin: Alphax: ImmutableTenderloin: I like how if this passes people who don't go to college get a royal shaft in the butt. Because electricians, machinists, Plummer's, and carpenters aren't worth their time.

It doesn't hurt any of them.  If anything, their customers might be able to afford them this way.

"Might" is the opportune word.

People bust their ass to get ahead in different ways. Because you chose To take a loan out to and spend it on your personal brain trust instead of learning on the job how to work with your hands should not be looked over by the Democrats. If Democrats want to appeal to the masses, don't segregate them.

I think you are looking for ways for this to offend you when they don't actually exist.


No I'm just hoping the us vs them mindset that's been entrenched in US politics can somehow change to be more inclusive of the opposition than it currently is. We see, very easily, the effects of what happens when politicians purposely divide a populous. Democrats have an opportunity to take the high ground and show the nation how we can all benefit from unity instead of division. Maybe I'm naive.
 
2020-09-19 2:41:50 AM  

Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?


I have to subsidize old people by paying into social security, even though I'll never have be able to retire.  I have to subsidize the Department of Defense, even though I'll never do international trade or international travel so military activities do not impact me.  I have to subsidize the salaries of countless federal bureaucrats even though I never take advantage of their service.  I have to subsidize schools even though I have no kids and never will.  It's called being in a modern western country.
 
2020-09-19 2:41:57 AM  
All i'm getting from the objectors in this thread is that they want people seeking education severely and continually punished while incurious moobs get all the benefits all the time (read: themselves).

They only want pain and suffering, they don't care if it means they themselves go bankrupt in the process.
 
2020-09-19 2:42:39 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

I don't have kids why should I have to subsidize those who do?
Because we live in a civilized and socialized society. It is for the greater good.


Do you, though?
 
2020-09-19 2:42:43 AM  
For much less than the cost of a mismanaged pandemic response the US could have had free college education and healthcare for all. But those pesky emails, am I right?
 
2020-09-19 2:43:31 AM  

Destructor: shpritz: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

Because you're part of the same society.

Can I force those that went to college to pay off my debt?


People that don't have kids subsidize those that do.

People that don't live in areas prone to natural disasters subsidize those that do.

People that have made good decisions subsidize those that haven't.

Life is not fair. It never has been. Right-wingers are very selective about when they notice that.
 
2020-09-19 2:44:17 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

I don't have kids why should I have to subsidize those who do?
Because we live in a civilized and socialized society. It is for the greater good.


Are there not scholarships? Maybe those that are truly worthy of higher education are already subsidized. Why should I pay for those who just want to go to school and party?

If I suck at school, you're cool with paying for my failed education?

Why can't you pay for my failed business ventures? How is that any different?
 
2020-09-19 2:44:36 AM  
How about we just forgive the artificial inflation caused by college mismanagement, the athletic industrial complex, and the bs that raised the cost of education to be more than what a minimum wage job can cover?

Ya know what the boomers who didn't go to Nam paid.
 
2020-09-19 2:44:53 AM  

shpritz: Destructor: shpritz: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

Because you're part of the same society.

Can I force those that went to college to pay off my debt?

People that don't have kids subsidize those that do.

People that don't live in areas prone to natural disasters subsidize those that do.

People that have made good decisions subsidize those that haven't.

Life is not fair. It never has been. Right-wingers are very selective about when they notice that.


I'm a public servant, so I have heard "I pay your salary" on occasion.  And I always respond with "and I also pay my salary, because public servants pay taxes too".  We all contribute in whatever way we can.
 
2020-09-19 2:48:37 AM  

Smoking GNU: Space Station Wagon: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

I don't have kids why should I have to subsidize those who do?
Because we live in a civilized and socialized society. It is for the greater good.

Do you, though?


There seems to be a lot of elementary schools around here I have no use for. As well as municipal playgrounds. Not to mention the tax breaks that are given to families.

I'm still OK paying more than my "fair" share. If it means I get to live in a healthy society.
 
2020-09-19 2:49:42 AM  

shpritz: Destructor: shpritz: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

Because you're part of the same society.

Can I force those that went to college to pay off my debt?

People that don't have kids subsidize those that do.

People that don't live in areas prone to natural disasters subsidize those that do.

People that have made good decisions subsidize those that haven't.

Life is not fair. It never has been. Right-wingers are very selective about when they notice that.


You seem to be advocating a basic living income. I'm fine with that. But that's a different subject, entirely.
 
2020-09-19 2:49:56 AM  

Space Station Wagon: WillofJ2: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

When I was in college they started those "debit" cards (should have been called debt cards) i watched people constantly blow their money like they would never have to pay it back, i have no sympathy.  Paid of my loans and did it through sacrifice and extra work, too many of my friends that are still paying, new cars, each new iPhone, kids, apartments downtown, craft drinks, its nuts now they all want their loans forgiven

So everyone who has been overcharged by the education industry is just like your loser friends?


Over charged?  Were these college going people not made aware of the cost before hand? Did they not understand loans?  Maybe they should have a class beforehand to teach people simple concepts before they move on to higher learning.

I haven't personally ran into many people that couldn't have made better decisions when it came to both their debt acquisition and management of it,

Guy I play ball with teaches math with his degree from wake forest, Winston-Salem state has a teaching program, much cheaper, he could have easily worked and paid or community College for a couple years and transfer.
 
2020-09-19 2:50:28 AM  
It's interesting that so many people are willing to completely trash the economy, just to prevent a small number of people from getting a handout they might not deserve.
 
2020-09-19 2:51:20 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Smoking GNU: Space Station Wagon: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

I don't have kids why should I have to subsidize those who do?
Because we live in a civilized and socialized society. It is for the greater good.

Do you, though?

There seems to be a lot of elementary schools around here I have no use for. As well as municipal playgrounds. Not to mention the tax breaks that are given to families.

I'm still OK paying more than my "fair" share. If it means I get to live in a healthy society.


But then why do people who go to college get a financial incentive with debt relief and people who Go to college get nothing?
 
2020-09-19 2:51:34 AM  

NM Volunteer: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

I have to subsidize old people by paying into social security, even though I'll never have be able to retire.  I have to subsidize the Department of Defense, even though I'll never do international trade or international travel so military activities do not impact me.  I have to subsidize the salaries of countless federal bureaucrats even though I never take advantage of their service.  I have to subsidize schools even though I have no kids and never will.  It's called being in a modern western country.


So, you're saying I have to subsidize covid-partying college students for the Greater Good.

Got it. Thanks
 
2020-09-19 2:51:51 AM  

ImmutableTenderloin: Space Station Wagon: Smoking GNU: Space Station Wagon: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

I don't have kids why should I have to subsidize those who do?
Because we live in a civilized and socialized society. It is for the greater good.

Do you, though?

There seems to be a lot of elementary schools around here I have no use for. As well as municipal playgrounds. Not to mention the tax breaks that are given to families.

I'm still OK paying more than my "fair" share. If it means I get to live in a healthy society.

But then why do people who go to college get a financial incentive with debt relief and people who Go to college get nothing?


Dont*

Damn talk type
 
2020-09-19 2:52:02 AM  
Instead take that money and grant states money to be used towards state schools.  Lower tuition costs, not axe out agreed upon contracts.
 
2020-09-19 2:52:03 AM  

Destructor: NM Volunteer: Destructor: Space Station Wagon: So if it doesn't help you then it shouldnt be done?

That's one dumb way to look at it.

A smarter way to look at it is, if you decided not to go to college, why are you being forced to subsidizing those that did?

I have to subsidize old people by paying into social security, even though I'll never have be able to retire.  I have to subsidize the Department of Defense, even though I'll never do international trade or international travel so military activities do not impact me.  I have to subsidize the salaries of countless federal bureaucrats even though I never take advantage of their service.  I have to subsidize schools even though I have no kids and never will.  It's called being in a modern western country.

So, you're saying I have to subsidize covid-partying college students for the Greater Good.

Got it. Thanks


eyeroll2.jeff
 
2020-09-19 2:52:17 AM  

Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?


People with student loan debt can now afford to buy you a cookie?
 
2020-09-19 2:53:27 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Destructor: This is fair to those who don't have college debt, how?

People with student loan debt can now afford to buy you a cookie?


Alright, you alone have managed to sell me on this. :-) Now, where the fark is my g'damned cookie?
 
2020-09-19 2:54:05 AM  
Must be nice to live in the USA. Take out a mortgage, government forgives the debt. Take out a student loan - forgiven. Too much debt? "I declare bankruptcy"
 
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