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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1846, the Donner party sent out for food, and by "sent out" we don't mean "asked Jed to come back behind the wagon to look at something for a second"   (history.com) divider line
    More: Vintage, members of the ill-fated Donner Party, Lansford Hastings, Sierra Nevada, shorter route, California, Donner Pass, Hastings' claim, California Trail  
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2020-09-18 12:31:21 PM  
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2020-09-18 12:36:45 PM  
The Indifferent Stars Above is a great historical look at the Donner Party.

The Hunger is a great horror story about it.
 
2020-09-18 1:07:53 PM  
CSB:

I'm friends with a direct descendant of the Donner party. The Donner surname name was actually altered slightly by one of his ancestors, though, because of the notoriety associated with it.

/CSB

/was also childhood friends with a Hatfield from Hatfield-McCoy fame
 
2020-09-18 1:18:24 PM  
I would rather not........................
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2020-09-18 1:20:09 PM  
And thus the donner kebab was born...
 
2020-09-18 1:20:17 PM  
I hiked up that pass in summer.  I can't imagine with a couple feet of snow and wagons.
 
2020-09-18 1:21:06 PM  
One always wonders if Donner Party jokes are in good taste...
 
2020-09-18 1:21:39 PM  
Donner, party of 12.
Donner, party of 10.
Donner, party of 8.
 
2020-09-18 1:22:44 PM  
The Donner Party: What Really Happened?
Youtube O5xMpsYdzgg
 
2020-09-18 1:23:00 PM  
Ate lunch here last month.

And yes, it is sorta creepy eating a salami sandwich at the Donner Camp historical site.  :)

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2020-09-18 1:24:29 PM  
It wouldn't have happened if they let the Rudolph party join them.
 
2020-09-18 1:24:37 PM  
Donner party menu sucked.  Cold cuts and lady fingers, blech.
 
2020-09-18 1:24:44 PM  
Cannibal! The Musical - You're Doomed Quote
Youtube IzHJ_IorlwQ
 
2020-09-18 1:26:28 PM  
Jed still better tasting and more nutritious than Subway.
 
2020-09-18 1:27:27 PM  

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Why not enjoy a Döner with your Donner.
 
2020-09-18 1:27:48 PM  
That'd really make it a party.
 
2020-09-18 1:31:30 PM  

PluckYew: Donner party menu sucked.  Cold cuts and lady fingers, blech.


Yes, but the Rump Roast was to die for!
 
2020-09-18 1:32:59 PM  

scalpod: The_Sponge: [Fark user image 425x463]

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Why not enjoy a Döner with your Donner.


You'd need a willing donor, I suspect...


/blinks
 
2020-09-18 1:38:01 PM  
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2020-09-18 1:41:57 PM  
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Still the go-to book for The Donner Party.

Even the (excellent) book The Indifferent Stars Above (mentioned upthread) had only a few minor updates, despite Ordeal by Hunger being nearly 70 years old.

I've always found the "being trapped in the Sierras" not quite as compelling as the insane journey literally cross untracked country, mountains, canyons and deserts that was the Hastings Cutoff.

/and read Stewart's Earth Abides
//because its one of my top 5 novels ever.
 
2020-09-18 1:51:51 PM  

what the cat dragged in: One always wonders if Donner Party jokes are in good taste...


They vary from person to person.
 
2020-09-18 1:52:10 PM  
Donner, party of seven
 
2020-09-18 1:53:05 PM  
Which is where the saying comes from when someone is about to die.

"He's a donner"
 
2020-09-18 1:53:07 PM  
Legend says that  American Indians supposedly found them and approached, intending to provide food.  But the Donner Party shots at them, out of fear.
 
2020-09-18 1:54:34 PM  
They could've sent out for Chinese, but they'd just be hungry again an hour later.

White people can be gristly.
 
2020-09-18 1:57:38 PM  
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2020-09-18 1:58:47 PM  
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2020-09-18 1:59:31 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: [Fark user image image 329x499]

Still the go-to book for The Donner Party.

Even the (excellent) book The Indifferent Stars Above (mentioned upthread) had only a few minor updates, despite Ordeal by Hunger being nearly 70 years old.

I've always found the "being trapped in the Sierras" not quite as compelling as the insane journey literally cross untracked country, mountains, canyons and deserts that was the Hastings Cutoff.

/and read Stewart's Earth Abides
//because its one of my top 5 novels ever.


So did anyone tell Hastings off or anything? Side ways looks?
 
2020-09-18 2:01:24 PM  
Northern California native here. It's a beautiful area.  I found an old book years ago called "Rocky Mountain Adventures" from 1885. There were excerpts from Donner Party diaries. Pretty grim reading.

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2020-09-18 2:03:43 PM  

Voiceofreason01: [YouTube video: The Donner Party: What Really Happened?]


She's a fantastic storyteller! Thanks for introducing her channel to me.
 
2020-09-18 2:12:07 PM  

waxbeans: Metaluna Mutant: [Fark user image image 329x499]

Still the go-to book for The Donner Party.

Even the (excellent) book The Indifferent Stars Above (mentioned upthread) had only a few minor updates, despite Ordeal by Hunger being nearly 70 years old.

I've always found the "being trapped in the Sierras" not quite as compelling as the insane journey literally cross untracked country, mountains, canyons and deserts that was the Hastings Cutoff.

/and read Stewart's Earth Abides
//because its one of my top 5 novels ever.

So did anyone tell Hastings off or anything? Side ways looks?


Yes, Hastings got a storm of criticism for basically just making up a trail from a blank map. He defended himself saying he just wanted to help immigrants, etc.

Hastings real plan was to increase settlers coming to California with the help of Sutter, with Sutter planning to be the major wealth/power in CA. Sutter happily welcomed -- and extended credit -- to new settlers.

The Gold Rush two years later erased all this. People flooded into CA. Sutters plan to basically be the head honcho of California evaporated when hundreds of thousands of immigrants poured in and both ignored or competed with him.
 
2020-09-18 2:22:03 PM  
Eww! with a gammy leg?
 
2020-09-18 2:33:47 PM  

dereksmalls: Eww! with a gammy leg?


Gives "I'm game!" a whole new meaning.
 
2020-09-18 2:39:01 PM  

SurfaceTension: CSB:

I'm friends with a direct descendant of the Donner party. The Donner surname name was actually altered slightly by one of his ancestors, though, because of the notoriety associated with it.

/CSB

/was also childhood friends with a Hatfield from Hatfield-McCoy fame


Some of my ancestors were in the Smith Party, 3 days ahead of the Donners. We had a wagon break down in the pass, took a look at the heavy skies and decided it wasn't a good place to get snowed in left it, and all the hope chests etc there. Later, the Donners were excited to scrounge a few beans from between the floorboards of the wagon.
 
2020-09-18 2:45:10 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: [Fark user image 329x499]

Still the go-to book for The Donner Party.


In the late seventies, my mother took my younger sister and I camping at Donner Pass and read us Ordeal by Hunger as a chapter book. I was about ten. My mom... had an odd sense of humor.
 
2020-09-18 2:54:19 PM  
I had an employee who was a direct descendent of one of the donner party. She said there were groupies and conventions and such. She once went to one out of curiosity and people already knew who she was, 'oh, I've always wanted to meet you!'

She said it was creepy and she never went back.
 
2020-09-18 3:00:52 PM  
It could have been worse. They could have been Kosher.
 
2020-09-18 3:21:52 PM  

wax_on: I had an employee who was a direct descendent of one of the donner party. She said there were groupies and conventions and such. She once went to one out of curiosity and people already knew who she was, 'oh, I've always wanted to meet you!'

She said it was creepy and she never went back.


Geez. What's eating her?
 
2020-09-18 4:00:11 PM  
They would have made it OK if they veered north and took Beckwourth Pass (discovered by a black guy with a bunch of wives)..
 
2020-09-18 4:11:39 PM  

wax_on: I had an employee who was a direct descendent of one of the donner party. She said there were groupies and conventions and such. She once went to one out of curiosity and people already knew who she was, 'oh, I've always wanted to meet you!'

She said it was creepy and she never went back.


If the COVID ever goes away I'm going to have to check one of those out.

There was always a small question in my mind about my family's kind of connection to the Donner party, but I recently confirmed it when I was doing genelogical research. Some of my ancestors did come to California in late 1846, and not only that, had a baby in nevada in the first week of October, then crested the summit of the pass on October 10th and made it to Sutter's fort shortly after.

Missed the party by that much!

I can't imagine crossing the country in a prairie schooner pregnant. I was kind of surprised to see that kid made it to 1 years old. Didn't make it to 2.
 
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2020-09-18 4:24:38 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I hiked up that pass in summer.  I can't imagine with a couple feet of snow and wagons.


And yet if you have nothing to eat, why not? Also, why not go back a bit to Reno to ride out the winter where there are deer available to eat?
 
2020-09-18 4:26:00 PM  

Medic Zero: wax_on: I had an employee who was a direct descendent of one of the donner party. She said there were groupies and conventions and such. She once went to one out of curiosity and people already knew who she was, 'oh, I've always wanted to meet you!'

She said it was creepy and she never went back.

If the COVID ever goes away I'm going to have to check one of those out.

There was always a small question in my mind about my family's kind of connection to the Donner party, but I recently confirmed it when I was doing genelogical research. Some of my ancestors did come to California in late 1846, and not only that, had a baby in nevada in the first week of October, then crested the summit of the pass on October 10th and made it to Sutter's fort shortly after.

Missed the party by that much!

I can't imagine crossing the country in a prairie schooner pregnant. I was kind of surprised to see that kid made it to 1 years old. Didn't make it to 2.


You need to find a copy of the book I posted. There are diaries from other pioneers besides the Donner Party. Your kinfolk could be in there.  One of my favorite parts is the vivid description of seeing the Sacramento Valley from west side of the summit for the first time.
 
2020-09-18 4:33:03 PM  

jvl: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I hiked up that pass in summer.  I can't imagine with a couple feet of snow and wagons.

And yet if you have nothing to eat, why not? Also, why not go back a bit to Reno to ride out the winter where there are deer available to eat.


Their incorrect map probably didn't have directions to Reno, which wasn't established until 1868 so I doubt the buffets were even open!
 
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2020-09-18 4:39:30 PM  

freetomato: Their incorrect map probably didn't have directions to Reno, which wasn't established until 1868 so I doubt the buffets were even open!


I meant where Reno is sited now, which isn't far and has way easier winter conditions.  But I wasn't clear so I deserved that.
 
2020-09-18 4:45:39 PM  

jvl: freetomato: Their incorrect map probably didn't have directions to Reno, which wasn't established until 1868 so I doubt the buffets were even open!

I meant where Reno is sited now, which isn't far and has way easier winter conditions.  But I wasn't clear so I deserved that.


Meant in jest :) They made many bad decisions overall, starting months before.  You are right, though. They might have lived if they had ridden out the winter east of the mountains.
 
2020-09-18 5:28:08 PM  

freetomato: Medic Zero: wax_on: I had an employee who was a direct descendent of one of the donner party. She said there were groupies and conventions and such. She once went to one out of curiosity and people already knew who she was, 'oh, I've always wanted to meet you!'

She said it was creepy and she never went back.

If the COVID ever goes away I'm going to have to check one of those out.

There was always a small question in my mind about my family's kind of connection to the Donner party, but I recently confirmed it when I was doing genelogical research. Some of my ancestors did come to California in late 1846, and not only that, had a baby in nevada in the first week of October, then crested the summit of the pass on October 10th and made it to Sutter's fort shortly after.

Missed the party by that much!

I can't imagine crossing the country in a prairie schooner pregnant. I was kind of surprised to see that kid made it to 1 years old. Didn't make it to 2.

You need to find a copy of the book I posted. There are diaries from other pioneers besides the Donner Party. Your kinfolk could be in there.  One of my favorite parts is the vivid description of seeing the Sacramento Valley from west side of the summit for the first time.


Thanks, yeah, I'll be looking for it.
 
2020-09-18 5:42:24 PM  

jvl: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I hiked up that pass in summer.  I can't imagine with a couple feet of snow and wagons.

And yet if you have nothing to eat, why not? Also, why not go back a bit to Reno to ride out the winter where there are deer available to eat?


I don't think there was a Reno yet.
 
2020-09-18 5:45:21 PM  

freetomato: Medic Zero: wax_on: I had an employee who was a direct descendent of one of the donner party. She said there were groupies and conventions and such. She once went to one out of curiosity and people already knew who she was, 'oh, I've always wanted to meet you!'

She said it was creepy and she never went back.

If the COVID ever goes away I'm going to have to check one of those out.

There was always a small question in my mind about my family's kind of connection to the Donner party, but I recently confirmed it when I was doing genelogical research. Some of my ancestors did come to California in late 1846, and not only that, had a baby in nevada in the first week of October, then crested the summit of the pass on October 10th and made it to Sutter's fort shortly after.

Missed the party by that much!

I can't imagine crossing the country in a prairie schooner pregnant. I was kind of surprised to see that kid made it to 1 years old. Didn't make it to 2.

You need to find a copy of the book I posted. There are diaries from other pioneers besides the Donner Party. Your kinfolk could be in there.  One of my favorite parts is the vivid description of seeing the Sacramento Valley from west side of the summit for the first time.


Thanks for that. Snagged a copy off of eBay.
 
2020-09-18 6:04:18 PM  

Medic Zero: wax_on: I had an employee who was a direct descendent of one of the donner party. She said there were groupies and conventions and such. She once went to one out of curiosity and people already knew who she was, 'oh, I've always wanted to meet you!'

She said it was creepy and she never went back.

If the COVID ever goes away I'm going to have to check one of those out.

There was always a small question in my mind about my family's kind of connection to the Donner party, but I recently confirmed it when I was doing genelogical research. Some of my ancestors did come to California in late 1846, and not only that, had a baby in nevada in the first week of October, then crested the summit of the pass on October 10th and made it to Sutter's fort shortly after.

Missed the party by that much!

I can't imagine crossing the country in a prairie schooner pregnant. I was kind of surprised to see that kid made it to 1 years old. Didn't make it to 2.


Baby back ribs?
 
2020-09-18 7:13:47 PM  

wax_on: I had an employee who was a direct descendent of one of the donner party. She said there were groupies and conventions and such. She once went to one out of curiosity and people already knew who she was, 'oh, I've always wanted to meet you!'

She said it was creepy and she never went back.


My mother avoids a couple small towns in Saskatchewan because the locals will recognize her features and know who she's related to and start up conversations already knowing so much about her. It drives her nuts. And it does sound creepy.
 
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